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post #1891 of 3250
I have a 55A2000..color is great, no issues, however I see all of these posts on color issues,green blob. My question is this, how common is this issue or is it very isolated? Was it with early sxrb sets or has it carried on to later versions?

As I said I have no issues and would gladly recommend the set to anyone. Is this a hit and miss issue or has it been resolved with later versions? I have several friends considering the A2000 based on seeing my set, I want them to be as happy as I am.
post #1892 of 3250
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Originally Posted by BESLC View Post

I have a 55A2000..color is great, no issues, however I see all of these posts on color issues,green blob. My question is this, how common is this issue or is it very isolated? Was it with early sxrb sets or has it carried on to later versions?

As I said I have no issues and would gladly recommend the set to anyone. Is this a hit and miss issue or has it been resolved with later versions? I have several friends considering the A2000 based on seeing my set, I want them to be as happy as I am.

It seems that the A-2000 and XBR2 are at least having less serious issues than the XBR1's did. That said, I think that the sets are still often flawed somewhat. If depends on how picky you are too. One person could look at a flawed set and think it is fine, and another person would think it was bad enough to need repair. Some people are just better at seeing flaws than others. (Which is more a curse than anything). The SXRD is a fine set for most people, and the best alternative to DLP in 60 inch plus sizes. I don't think Sony has perfected them however.
post #1893 of 3250
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Originally Posted by AlanBuck View Post

Yes....it seems weird that the thing takes forever to warm up when being used. The bluish blacks take a couple of hours to go away if the room is around 68 degrees. While a properly working SXRD has a fantastic picture, I am starting to regret buying this thing. They just don't have the bugs worked out on them yet. Consumer Reports has recently hinted that DLP has the edge these days, unless you are bothered by rainbow effects like I am. Their full test of the newer SXRD's comes out next month.

samsung DLPs has its own share of problems which I thikn is more serious than sony's. plus thier cutomer service and repair is taking a loong time also. so i wont be going DLP route at all..maybe ill just stick with LCD
post #1894 of 3250
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Originally Posted by jaxxx123 View Post

samsung DLPs has its own share of problems which I thikn is more serious than sony's. plus thier cutomer service and repair is taking a loong time also. so i wont be going DLP route at all..maybe ill just stick with LCD

Good point. DLP's have had some issues as well in terms of reliablity. Consumer Reports says that microdisplay tv's like SXRD, and DLP are far more repair prone in the first year, or two than plasma, or flat panel LCD, or standard tube type tv's.
post #1895 of 3250
Just picked up the KDS55A2000 over the weekend and love it so far..no green blob/haze issues but still tinkering with the settings to get it just right. Previously owned the GWIII and truly think Sony's give the best PQ. Anyhow, just a few questions...havent read through the entire thread as I am at work so apologize if these questions have been covered.

1. Has anyone tried the VGA for the 360, if so...how does it look? I heard there was a patch from MS, but that would not affect the Sony will it? I assume the picture is still downres'd and will not fill the entire screen.

2. I am using my old stand from the GWIII for the new 55"...it works, but not as stable as it should be. There is a latch on the back of the set that allows one to secure it to the stand. Has anyone used it to secure the set to a stand that wasnt desinged for this set? If so, any creative suggestions?
post #1896 of 3250
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Originally Posted by AlanBuck View Post

It seems that the A-2000 and XBR2 are at least having less serious issues than the XBR1's did. That said, I think that the sets are still often flawed somewhat. If depends on how picky you are too. One person could look at a flawed set and think it is fine, and another person would think it was bad enough to need repair. Some people are just better at seeing flaws than others. (Which is more a curse than anything). The SXRD is a fine set for most people, and the best alternative to DLP in 60 inch plus sizes. I don't think Sony has perfected them however.

Good point about some people being more picky about the picture than others but it also appears that there are QC issues with these sets also and may be why some A2000 owners complain more than others. From reading the posts here a few A2000 owners that have traded a flawed A2000 for another finally got a good set without problems. For example one guy here who had the "green tinge" problem that I have finally got a good set that he was satisified with after the third one. It may also be true that a large screen such as a 60" may make a flaw more apparent due to the screen size than with a smaller size such as 34".
post #1897 of 3250
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Originally Posted by OhioPatriot View Post

Thanks Bob. No green is indeed GREAT! It is so nice to sit and watch the great pic on this display. Blu-ray on ps3 is 1080p heaven! Good luck in getting that right one, hopefully sooner than later.

That is super. From the looks of it there are certainly some quality control issues with these A2000s. While I wait for Sony to do something about my set I continue to put up with the green. Some days it bothers me more than others. My wife also sees it but is not bothered by it to the extent that I am. I believe that she is much more bothered by my continual complaining about it than the green itself.
post #1898 of 3250
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Originally Posted by mypwisthis View Post

I also have the A2000 and a TIVO HD Series 3. When I select native resolution output, the screen will flicker between changing some channels and going to the TIVO menu. The menu screen for this setting states that some output formats can cause a flicker.

To avoid this, I set the output to 1080i. Do you have this same issue and just live with it or do you have a fix? Thanks for your help.

No I don't have a flicker but I do have a blank screen for a period of time when changing channels. I use my TiVo with OTA broadcasts only. I wonder if the flicker could also be an issue with some cable STBs, etc interacting with the TiVo? Are you using an HDMI cable between your TiVo and your A2000?
post #1899 of 3250
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Originally Posted by picaddict View Post

1. Has anyone tried the VGA for the 360, if so...how does it look? I heard there was a patch from MS, but that would not affect the Sony will it? I assume the picture is still downres'd and will not fill the entire screen.

Try a look in the same thread, back a page, curious if this is helpful for you:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post9457017

Have since gone to Vista on the T30, haven't yet tried if Powerstrip and custom resolution still works, will see...
post #1900 of 3250
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Originally Posted by Bob Fosse View Post

No I don't have a flicker but I do have a blank screen for a period of time when changing channels. I use my TiVo with OTA broadcasts only. I wonder if the flicker could also be an issue with some cable STBs, etc interacting with the TiVo? Are you using an HDMI cable between your TiVo and your A2000?

Yes, I am using the HDMI cable packaged with the Tivo. I use the TIVO for cable only. I am on my second A2000 and had the same issue with both. Yesterday the suggestion was made to use smart screen (which should typically only be used for 4:3 sets, not 16:9 sets). This did not help. Per TIVO this is expected and not a flaw. Just was curious whether others may have found a setting on the TIVO or A2000 that may correct the flicker when set to native.
post #1901 of 3250
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Originally Posted by mypwisthis View Post

Yes, I am using the HDMI cable packaged with the Tivo. I use the TIVO for cable only. I am on my second A2000 and had the same issue with both. Yesterday the suggestion was made to use smart screen (which should typically only be used for 4:3 sets, not 16:9 sets). This did not help. Per TIVO this is expected and not a flaw. Just was curious whether others may have found a setting on the TIVO or A2000 that may correct the flicker when set to native.

Here is what I see with my Tivo/A2000 when I change a channel that requires a resolution switch (the menu might also require a resolution switch since it defaults to 720p).

- About 1 second of a warped picture being rescaled (this might be the A2000 trying to get a lock on the new resolution). This also "might" be what you are talking about when you say "flicker".

- About 3-4 seconds of a black screen (with sound) before the picture appears.

I get similar "flicker" when I switch resolutions on my Xbox 360. I suspect that the first second of "flicker" is the A2000 locking on to a new resolution, and the 3-4 seconds of a blank screen is TiVo lagging on displaying the content (for whatever reasons). I'm hoping TiVo can optimize their code to display the content a bit faster.

Note: I have my TiVo output the native resolution at all times. This increases some channel display lag, but it also increases the quality. My A2000 is hands down better at scaling 480i than the TiVo is. The only way of getting a clean 480i signal out of the Tivo is to run in native mode. Since I'm seldom a channel surfer, I don't care about the channel change lag. I just use the menus to see what is on other stations if I am interested.
post #1902 of 3250
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Originally Posted by AVBill View Post

Here is what I see with my Tivo/A2000 when I change a channel that requires a resolution switch (the menu might also require a resolution switch since it defaults to 720p).

- About 1 second of a warped picture being rescaled (this might be the A2000 trying to get a lock on the new resolution). This also "might" be what you are talking about when you say "flicker".

- About 3-4 seconds of a black screen (with sound) before the picture appears.

I get similar "flicker" when I switch resolutions on my Xbox 360. I suspect that the first second of "flicker" is the A2000 locking on to a new resolution, and the 3-4 seconds of a blank screen is TiVo lagging on displaying the content (for whatever reasons). I'm hoping TiVo can optimize their code to display the content a bit faster.

Note: I have my TiVo output the native resolution at all times. This increases some channel display lag, but it also increases the quality. My A2000 is hands down better at scaling 480i than the TiVo is. The only way of getting a clean 480i signal out of the Tivo is to run in native mode. Since I'm seldom a channel surfer, I don't care about the channel change lag. I just use the menus to see what is on other stations if I am interested.

That is a perfect description of what I am experiencing. Glad to know others have experienced the same thing. Hopefully, future TIVO updates will minimize this. Thanks for your comments.
post #1903 of 3250
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Originally Posted by mypwisthis View Post

That is a perfect description of what I am experiencing. Glad to know others have experienced the same thing. Hopefully, future TIVO updates will minimize this. Thanks for your comments.

Yeah, to maximize wife and kids acceptance, went with telling the TiVo Series 3 to stay at 1080i for everything, so the TiVo doing the rescaling rather than the TV. Makes channel hopping a smoother, slightly faster experience.

Tried 720p FOX in both native and upscaled modes, and couldn't perceive a difference, so gave up on native. SD looks equally crummy in both modes, but Cox analog largely to blame for that, looking forward to all digital line-up, rollout supposedly underway in CT...
post #1904 of 3250
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Originally Posted by tinkererguy View Post

Yeah, to maximize wife and kids acceptance, went with telling the TiVo Series 3 to stay at 1080i for everything, so the TiVo doing the rescaling rather than the TV. Makes channel hopping a smoother, slightly faster experience.

Tried 720p FOX in both native and upscaled modes, and couldn't perceive a difference, so gave up on native. SD looks equally crummy in both modes, but Cox analog largely to blame for that, looking forward to all digital line-up, rollout supposedly underway in CT...

My experience as well. I could see no noticable difference in 720p or SD content between 1080i fixed & native.
post #1905 of 3250
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Originally Posted by AlanBuck View Post

So far the A-2000's don't seem to suffer from the full blown green blobs that the XBR1's are plagued with. (Remember that the A-2000 has only been out 4 or 5 months though, and the green blob could become a common issue down the road). The A-2000's do have some color uniformity issues though, but mostly of a mild nature. Hard to spot on most real program material, but irritating that it's not exactly right.


actually alan, they've been out for 6 months now. released around july 20 which should be sufficient time to analyze any endemic problems with these sets. the green blob was well documented on the xbr1 threads within 6 months of release. so i think it's safe to say the a2000s, while having some color uniformity issues, are not
infected with the blob.
post #1906 of 3250
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Originally Posted by AlanBuck View Post

Yes....it seems weird that the thing takes forever to warm up when being used. The bluish blacks take a couple of hours to go away if the room is around 68 degrees. While a properly working SXRD has a fantastic picture, I am starting to regret buying this thing. They just don't have the bugs worked out on them yet. Consumer Reports has recently hinted that DLP has the edge in overall PQ performance these days, unless you are bothered by rainbow effects like I am. Their full test of the newer SXRD's comes out next month.


for those of you frustrated with the color uniformity isssues on your a2000s, you really should consider trading up to the xbr2. it has a new light engine in it that seems, in large part, to have solved the blob and uniformity issues. while there are some complaints of color tinges and hues on screen with the xbr2s, they are far and few between. certainly far less on the xbr2 threads than on the a2000 threads. the price difference is really not that much and certainly worth the peace of mind. i almost jumped at the a2000 but when i started reading of the uniformity issues with them i decided to wait to see if the xbr2s had resolved them. i'm a happy owner of an xbr2 for one month now. no color issues just, as umr says about them, "an awesome display" i apologize in advance if this post is considered inappropriate of off topic
post #1907 of 3250
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Originally Posted by mr. wally View Post

for those of you frustrated with the color uniformity isssues on your a2000s, you really should consider trading up to the xbr2. it has a new light engine in it that seems, in large part, to have solved the blob and uniformity issues. while there are some complaints of color tinges and hues on screen with the xbr2s, they are far and few between. certainly far less on the xbr2 threads than on the a2000 threads. the price difference is really not that much and certainly worth the peace of mind. i almost jumped at the a2000 but when i started reading of the uniformity issues with them i decided to wait to see if the xbr2s had resolved them. i'm a happy owner of an xbr2 for one month now. no color issues just, as umr says about them, "an awesome display" i apologize in advance if this post is considered inappropriate of off topic


um, the only difference in the xbr2 and the a2000 is a drc processor.
and some features such as cable card. everything else about the set is the same.

Now as far as the drc processor the only thing this should effect is the quality of SD television that is put to the set in 480i format. as that is the only thing that triggers the drc settings for adjustment. So any HD content will not look any different at all.

Same light engine and reviews state same great picture quality. which i actually find better on the a2000 for SD. but thats just me.
post #1908 of 3250
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Originally Posted by serialmike View Post

um, the only difference in the xbr2 and the a2000 is a drc processor.
and some features such as cable card. everything else about the set is the same.

Now as far as the drc processor the only thing this should effect is the quality of SD television that is put to the set in 480i format. as that is the only thing that triggers the drc settings for adjustment. So any HD content will not look any different at all.

Same light engine and reviews state same great picture quality. which i actually find better on the a2000 for SD. but thats just me.

Oh, there are other imaging differences that you didn't mention:

1) Actually the XBR2 does have a different light engine. For the 60" sets the A2000 p/n is A-1203-194-A for the A2000 and A-1203-198-A for the XBR2.

2) The lamp on the XBR2 is 180W, vs 120W for the A2000.
post #1909 of 3250
just because the part numbers are different doesnt mean the the actual light engine technology is different.

a different part number can mean nothing more than the casing is different for a different mounting situation. As far as review sites have stated the light engine technology is identical.

As far as the bulb well....obviously more watss is more watts. I would say then that the xbr2 is a brighter set most likely. IMO, this would only be useful in a bright viewing enviroment. I watch my a2000 in dim lighting and need the brightness turned down to 45. Most sets need the brightness turned down quite a bit as sets are preset very bright in order to attract attention on a sales floor which is much brighter than hom eviewing except maybe daytime in a windowed room.
post #1910 of 3250
I wanted the 60" XBR2 real bad but, I couldn't get past those stupid speakers that add 10 inches of width for absolutely no reason. Who in the heck uses those speakers anyway? Why couldn't they make them removable like the 70"? It almost cause me to switch brands.
post #1911 of 3250
>> Who in the heck uses those speakers anyway?

People with wives like mine. She's very traditional when it comes to decorating the family room and doesn't want to see any electronic devices other than the tv. I suggested we purchase a modest Sony HTIB setup for the new tv (which will sit inside an oak entertainment center) and she steadfastly refused. Not a big deal to me. I'm just stoked about the 50A2000 which will replace a 6 year old Sony RPTV.
post #1912 of 3250
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Originally Posted by mr. wally View Post

for those of you frustrated with the color uniformity isssues on your a2000s, you really should consider trading up to the xbr2. it has a new light engine in it that seems, in large part, to have solved the blob and uniformity issues. while there are some complaints of color tinges and hues on screen with the xbr2s, they are far and few between. certainly far less on the xbr2 threads than on the a2000 threads. the price difference is really not that much and certainly worth the peace of mind. i almost jumped at the a2000 but when i started reading of the uniformity issues with them i decided to wait to see if the xbr2s had resolved them. i'm a happy owner of an xbr2 for one month now. no color issues just, as umr says about them, "an awesome display" i apologize in advance if this post is considered inappropriate of off topic

Unfortunately I am stuck with the A-2000 , as I have had it for about 4 months now. I talked to the local Sony Platinum repair center today, and the guy has a pretty low opnion of SXRD quality. Said slightly funky tints, and blueish blacks are not likely to be solved by optical block replacements. The next one will have similar issues in his experience. Basically the things are not quite perfected yet. (although nobody quite knows how the XBR2 will work out yet) He was not upbeat about Samsung DLP reliability either, saying they have other issues.
post #1913 of 3250
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Originally Posted by AlanBuck View Post

I discovered something intersting on my 60 A-2000 last night. I was already aware that the thing is sensitive to room temp in that the greenish, and pinkish areas on grey screen are much worse when the room temp has been 68 or less. I have been battling blueish blacks the past few weeks as well. I came home yesterday and popped a DVD in, and the black bars at top and bottom were VERY blue..ugh. Tried the other DVD player and it looked the same. The heat in my house runs 65 degrees while I am at work, and then goes up to 68 around 4:30pm. I tried jacking the heat up to 73. The blue blacks then looked much better like when I got the tv in early September! Not perfect, but much better. These sets are truly weird! I have to keep my house extra warm to get a good picture! At least I now know the set really hasn't changed since new..it just doesn't like being cold.

What you need my friend is what we Canadians call a BLOCK heater...in this case an Optical Block heater!
post #1914 of 3250
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What you need my friend is what we Canadians call a BLOCK heater...in this case an Optical Block heater!

I love it !
post #1915 of 3250
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Originally Posted by mr. wally View Post

for those of you frustrated with the color uniformity isssues on your a2000s, you really should consider trading up to the xbr2. it has a new light engine in it that seems, in large part, to have solved the blob and uniformity issues. while there are some complaints of color tinges and hues on screen with the xbr2s, they are far and few between. certainly far less on the xbr2 threads than on the a2000 threads. the price difference is really not that much and certainly worth the peace of mind. i almost jumped at the a2000 but when i started reading of the uniformity issues with them i decided to wait to see if the xbr2s had resolved them. i'm a happy owner of an xbr2 for one month now. no color issues just, as umr says about them, "an awesome display" i apologize in advance if this post is considered inappropriate of off topic

I actually would have jumped all over the XBR2 if it were not for the butt ugly dumbo ears. The choice for the A2000 was a matter of fit. It did, the XBR2 would not. I'm still mad at Sony for forcing those things on customers who would otherwise prefer the XBR technology.
post #1916 of 3250
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Originally Posted by amiles46 View Post

I actually would have jumped all over the XBR2 if it were not for the butt ugly dumbo ears. The choice for the A2000 was a matter of fit. It did, the XBR2 would not. I'm still mad at Sony for forcing those things on customers who would otherwise prefer the XBR technology.

I agree. I actually had the 70XBR2 for 3 weeks. It was just too big for my room. (Viewing distance was fine at 12'; other room layout factors came into play.) I stepped down to the 60A2000 because of the non-removable ears/speakers on the 60XBR2.

Not that I notice any difference in picture quality, mind you. I do think the brighter bulb in the XBR2 made a difference in my setup. (A fairly bright room with lots of windows to the north.) The 70XBR2 had a bad keystone/trapezoidal shape on 4:3 content, though. The 60A2000 has nicely parallel edges on 4:3.

--Ted
post #1917 of 3250
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Originally Posted by TedEstes View Post

I agree. I actually had the 70XBR2 for 3 weeks. It was just too big for my room. (Viewing distance was fine at 12'; other room layout factors came into play.) I stepped down to the 60A2000 because of the non-removable ears/speakers on the 60XBR2.

Not that I notice any difference in picture quality, mind you. I do think the brighter bulb in the XBR2 made a difference in my setup. (A fairly bright room with lots of windows to the north.) The 70XBR2 had a bad keystone/trapezoidal shape on 4:3 content, though. The 60A2000 has nicely parallel edges on 4:3.

--Ted

Very interesting regarding your comments on the brighter bulb with the XBR-2. I have a rather severe green tinge to faces distortion on my 55A2000. I have done everything to rid my set of it including ISF calibration without resolution except to change the lamp setting from the power saving mode where I've always had it to the normal high power mode. A few nights ago I changed the lamp setting to the regular high power mode and it seemed to help mitigate the green distortion to some extent. I don't know if this is the ultimate solution to my problem but both my wife and I agree that we MUCH prefer the looks of the picture of our A2000 with the lamp on the high power setting. BTW, we watch our A2000 in a completely dark room so ambient light is not an issue.
post #1918 of 3250
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Originally Posted by Bob Fosse View Post

Very interesting regarding your comments on the brighter bulb with the XBR-2. I have a rather severe green tinge to faces distortion on my 55A2000. I have done everything to rid my set of it including ISF calibration without resolution except to change the lamp setting from the power saving mode where I've always had it to the normal high power mode. A few nights ago I changed the lamp setting to the regular high power mode and it seemed to help mitigate the green distortion to some extent. I don't know if this is the ultimate solution to my problem but both my wife and I agree that we MUCH prefer the looks of the picture of our A2000 with the lamp on the high power setting. BTW, we watch our A2000 in a completely dark room so ambient light is not an issue.

Assuming you didn't change the fan setting, the higher power mode should result in higher temps. AlanBuck's comments seem to indicate a correlation between temp and color uniformity/performance. Perhaps the whole color uniformity/green tinge issue could be resolved by slightly restricting the air flow?
post #1919 of 3250
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Originally Posted by Bob Fosse View Post

Very interesting regarding your comments on the brighter bulb with the XBR-2. I have a rather severe green tinge to faces distortion on my 55A2000. I have done everything to rid my set of it including ISF calibration without resolution except to change the lamp setting from the power saving mode where I've always had it to the normal high power mode.

I've been following your reports of green tints. It is unfortunate that you are having such problems with your set.

That said, I notice that "24" in HD has terrible color/tint properties. While watching the season's 4 hours of premieres, I got all worried that my set was suffering from the same problem as yours -- some people look yellowish green and other look too pink. Also, I can't get the outdoor shots to look right -- sky and trees look washed out. Interestingly, commercials during "24" look fine. Also, content from other sources, such as DVD, are just fine.

I haven't done much tweaking of the set yet; just applying some of the settings in the tweak thread. I'll probably pick up a copy of DVE and play around with a bit while I ponder getting a calibration.

--Ted
post #1920 of 3250
Hi everyone,
Has anyone found out how to adjust the Primary colors in the service menu yet that they will share. Still waiting to figure out how to adjust GREEN and RED
Thanks
GE
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