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post #2011 of 3250
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Originally Posted by RaptorX View Post

So, was everyone disappointed with the Superbowl broadcast because it was in 1080i?

After all, we all know that 720p is better for sports, right?

Yeh, it's to bad they used 1080i, 'cause there was all that artifacting that made it look like it was raining or something.
post #2012 of 3250
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Originally Posted by jimmyv View Post

Yeh, it's to bad they used 1080i, 'cause there was all that artifacting that made it look like it was raining or something.


The colors also seemed foggy and muted, and at times it appeared as though there were "blobs" on the lenses of the cameras ! Horrible ! Lets hope ABC or ESPN carry the game next year
post #2013 of 3250
On the KDS-60a2000 and/or other SRXD models, if you set the white balance gains and bias under the custom picture mode for a given temp (neutral, for example) do these settings track/map over to the other picture modes (vivid and standard)?...i am trying to understand if i use the picture modes for various lighting conditions (bright room lighting - vivid, low/med room lighting - standard, dark or no lighting - custom) and set the tv's grayscale via custom on a given temp (neutral) via the white balance gain and bias does this track/map over so that all i would need to do is vary the brightness, color, picture on the vivid and standard modes...doing this - even if it's not exact, would save going into the service menu...any help on how this works would be great...
post #2014 of 3250
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Originally Posted by jimkell View Post

The colors also seemed foggy and muted, and at times it appeared as though there were "blobs" on the lenses of the cameras ! Horrible ! Lets hope ABC or ESPN carry the game next year

The problem could be the moisture on the lens. The rain was sure coming down during the SB.
post #2015 of 3250
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Originally Posted by iove View Post

The problem could be the moisture on the lens. The rain was sure coming down during the SB.

That was rain? I thought it was mosquito noise! LOL.

Sorry; this was all sarcasm. Well done, BTW, with the replies!
post #2016 of 3250
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Originally Posted by alluringreality View Post

I think the user menu white balance controls are specific to the custom mode.

no, the white balance affects all modes. Both standard and vivid.

Last night I set the blue gain all negative and you see yellow in all modes.

Haven't played with the black/white and gamma settings. When i set the first screen settings all the same between standard and custom, ( picture/brightness/color/ noise etc), i still see a difference, so something in the advanced settings is different.
post #2017 of 3250
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Originally Posted by RaptorX View Post

OK I guess my question is, since the defaults are the same for vertical and horizontal, how did you come up with different values for horizontal and vertical (20,13 versus 50, 50 70, 70 and 90, 90)?

Why not 20, 20 or 13,13? Aren't you theoretically stretching the picture one way or another with unequal values?

yeah, i guess 20,20 is a nice unofficial minimal overscan setting...
It is odd that the horzintal and vertical are the same. You'd expect a 16 to 9 ratio....
post #2018 of 3250
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Originally Posted by KC-Technerd View Post

Has anyone located and used the service menu items for shutting off individual primary colors? I know on some other Sony TV's that these menu items are labeled BON, GON, and RON and have selectable values of 1 for on, and 0 for off. However these selections are not functional on some Sony TVs. I prefer shutting the green and red off for setting color and hue rather than using a blue filter.

The settings aren't in the bank where the RYR, etc setting are. Press the jump key to get to the other menus and look through them. You'll find it. I can't remember if it was the menu in blue or the "fuzzy" green menu.

Sean
post #2019 of 3250
while changing the YFLR setting to 6(to sort 1080i) in the sevice menu i also change the 003 comp setting by mistake does anyone have the default setting please
post #2020 of 3250
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Originally Posted by mods8677 View Post

while changing the YFLR setting to 6(to sort 1080i) in the sevice menu i also change the 003 comp setting by mistake does anyone have the default setting please

Looks like it should be "0". I got that from an excel spreadsheet I downloaded from here with all of the original settings. You may want to search this thread.
post #2021 of 3250
thanx
post #2022 of 3250
Last week I had my KDS-60a2000 ISF calibrated...$350 - and definitely worth it!...

Here's a description of what we did - creating 3 ambient light settings for each input; calibrating Neutral color temperature to 6500k grayscale; using two inputs for cable tv (one for standard def and one for high def); Media Center PC connection; other assorted stuff...Enjoy - R

ISF Calibrator:
Gary Mollura; Syracuse, NY; precisetv@aol.com; 315-468-2864

My Setup:

1.\tKDS-60a2000; December build SP3
2.\tTime Warner Digital Cable with High Definition channel package (Central, NY)
3.\tPace DC-550P cable box (pass thru) using s-video and dvi outputs.
4.\tDell 8400 Media Center PC w/ nvidia geforce 6800 graphics card, 256MB, Forceware 93.71, passing 1080p HDTV setting, 1834X1024 resolution (underscan)
5.\tInput 1: s-video out from cable box for standard definition channel viewing
6.\tInput 6: dvi out from the pc: 1) pc usage, 2) dvd player usage via Windows Media Center)
7.\tInput 7: dvi out from cable box to hdmi (pass thru) for high definition channel viewing

My Objectives:

1.\tCalibrate grayscale to 6500k for all inputs for all light level based picture modes.
2.\tCreate 3 light levels for each input using picture mode:
a.\tLow light/no light/dark
b.\tStandard room lighting
c.\tBright room lighting
3.\tNo Service menu changes
4.\tCreate settings for each input and picture mode (custom, standard, vivid)
5.\tDo all the other wonderful calibration things that ISF recommends

Selecting Color Temperature:

Neutral and cool color temperatures are the only two of the color temperatures that are available on all picture modes. Neutral color temperature was picked for calibrating grayscale as close to 6500k via the white-balance advanced setting using the red, green and blue gain and bias. While you may get finer calibration using the service menu adjustments, we felt this would get us close we didnt need to get EXACTLY to 6500k across all the IRE ranges (30-100 IRE track in the range of 6498-6671): close enough in my view.

Using Picture Mode for Ambient Lighting Settings:

We set up Custom for best color/picture at low light/dark room viewing. The setting up of the white balance under advanced setting for red, green and blue bias to 6500k under the Custom setting maps over to the Vivid and Standard settings. I didnt realize this! So once you set up the Custom setting for each input, you can then use the Picture Mode to create set ups for various ambient light settings. We then used Standard setting for standard lighting (some lights and/or some outside daylight normal day2day viewing). We then used Vivid for bright light setting (middle of a bright day) Once the white balance is setup via the bias and gains, all you need to do is tweak the picture, brightness and color settings for Standard, Vivid and Custom.

My calibrator found that once Custom was setup, Standard was very close, Vivid was just slightly blue not very noticeable and with adjusting picture, brightness and color we could easily compensate.

Use of Picture, Brightness and Color

With my setup, from time2time, you may want to make program specific changes. I only need to tweak these three settings. I adjust brightness (black level) by using 1) hair to adjust bringing the number up so that I can see individual hairs, or 2) using a suit coat to bring the number up so that I can just see the cloth pattern/characteristic. Color is adjusted up just enough to make faces/skin to a natural and healthy skin tone not red or orange toned. Picture is adjusted based on amount of room light I rarely adjust this and leave at the calibrated settings.


Attached is a pdf file and an excel file of my settings

Enjoy - R

 

rhack1_KDS-60a2000_Calibration_Settings_020207.pdf 15.349609375k . file

 

rhack1_KDS-60a2000_Calibration_Settings_020207.zip 22.1708984375k . file
post #2023 of 3250
Rhack1,
Totally cool of you to put your settings out here for us. I really appreciate it. I can't wait to check them out on my 60A2000!!!
post #2024 of 3250
Excellent post Rhack1 its very kind of you to share your setting.

I just think it maybe helpful if you could describe how your picture looked originally (which colour dominated in black and white scenes) so that people with a similar looking original settings will know if they have more chance of benifitting from these.

Maybe future settings post could include the same, What do you think ?

For example when i have mine on with no colour i have the green tint

Thanks again -TYN-
post #2025 of 3250
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Originally Posted by -TYN- View Post

I just think it maybe helpful if you could describe how your picture looked originally (which colour dominated in black and white scenes) so that people with a similar looking original settings will know if they have more chance of benifitting from these.

Maybe future settings post could include the same, What do you think ?

For example when i have mine on with no colour i have the green tint

Thanks again -TYN-

agreed...i actually had settings very similar to JasonWW - who i borrowed the idea to split my cable signals via s-video for SD channels and dvi/hdmi for HD channels on diff inputs... here's a post to his settings: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post8213515

I ended up changing the color temp from cool to neutral with his settings as it made the flesh tones look slightly more realistic...i actually thought the colors looked good - but i don't have a trained eye...the calibrator said that my grayscale with these settings was 14,000k on neutral...and blue/greenish...a far mathematical diff from 6500k...i have the calibrated charts in hard copy and they show the variation...

since i didn't do a side-by-side comparison, all i can say is that the calibrated picture, not to mention the creativity with the various picture modes for lighting differences, is outstanding...watching SU basketball in their orange away uniforms on ESPNHD was remarkable -- orange was perfect depth/richness, etc!...team stunk, but then again the tv doesn't have a stink setting you can adjust?!...

knowing that every tv and/or signal input is different, i essentially played with diff settings a lot...i started to print out various avsforum users settings and tried them...i decided to calibrate so that the grayscale could get corrected so all i needed to do, from program to program, is slightly tweak picture, brightness and color...

as we all know, you can become obsessed with tweaking this tv -- the options are mind-boggling...i figured for a couple grand tv that the added price of calibration was worth it...AND IT IS...

many of the folks that have had their sets ISF calibrated have posted the various service menu changes and their user settings...since my calibration was all user menu driven, these might look good on others...the use of neutral color temp for grayscale was clever on my calibrators part since it enables you to use the picture modes for ambient lighting differences - while still holding close to perfect grayscale...try it and let me (us) know how it looks on your set...
post #2026 of 3250
Hello everyone, I just got my 50A2000 yesterday and I am trying to get my pictures all set right. I keep reading people talking about "cnet settings" and have no idea what they are meaning. I want to set up a good picture for just HD over cable and I also have a Panasonic upscaling dvd player that I need to get a good picture on. Can someone please direct me to some good setting for these things? And maybe these "cnet settings" I keep hearing about. Sorry if my question is noobish and I am sure these have been answered somewhere (I just can't find them). Thanks in advance!

Ryan
post #2027 of 3250
If you go to the cnet.com review site, they have their settings posted. Usually, other peoples settings won't work for you. You could try the THX optimizer on many DVDs to get you player input set up decently. All Star Wars/Indy movies have it and a lot of Pixar movies have it also(I think).
Dug
post #2028 of 3250
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Originally Posted by rdrews View Post

Hello everyone, I just got my 50A2000 yesterday and I am trying to get my pictures all set right. I keep reading people talking about "cnet settings" and have no idea what they are meaning. I want to set up a good picture for just HD over cable and I also have a Panasonic upscaling dvd player that I need to get a good picture on. Can someone please direct me to some good setting for these things? And maybe these "cnet settings" I keep hearing about. Sorry if my question is noobish and I am sure these have been answered somewhere (I just can't find them). Thanks in advance!

Ryan

Your best bet is to turn off all the options ( black level, white enh, gamma, noise, detail and edge), then do a simple white balance with the color all the way down to 0.
Each TV will have it's own white balance, I look at settings posted here and they make absolutely no sense on my 60a2000 (mine are r/g/b gain=11,-9,0 bias -6,0,+2; but those are just by my eye) .
After that, i turned my picture(contrast) to max, brightness to 60 and color to 40.
The rest is personal preference and brightness in the room.
post #2029 of 3250
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Originally Posted by Mr_Bester View Post

If you go to the cnet.com review site, they have their settings posted. Usually, other peoples settings won't work for you. You could try the THX optimizer on many DVDs to get you player input set up decently. All Star Wars/Indy movies have it and a lot of Pixar movies have it also(I think).
Dug

The THX optimizer is OK for contrast and brightness, but I wouldn't use it for color. It results in a very oversaturated picture.

Using the blue glasses, it had me set the color at 54. Everything was glowing. By eye, I have the color set in the low 40's.
post #2030 of 3250
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Originally Posted by rdrews View Post

Hello everyone, I just got my 50A2000 yesterday and I am trying to get my pictures all set right. I keep reading people talking about "cnet settings" and have no idea what they are meaning. I want to set up a good picture for just HD over cable and I also have a Panasonic upscaling dvd player that I need to get a good picture on. Can someone please direct me to some good setting for these things? And maybe these "cnet settings" I keep hearing about. Sorry if my question is noobish and I am sure these have been answered somewhere (I just can't find them). Thanks in advance!

Ryan

Click here for CNET settings

Remember these are a guideline...I'm sure they worked great for CNET, but every TV and viewer is different. YMMV.

If nothing less, your TV should look much better using these settings than in its factory 'torch' mode.
post #2031 of 3250
FYI (and apologies if it's been mentioned before),

After playing in the service menu, I found the settings to reduce overscan. They are in the "WEM" menu (you have to "JUMP" to it), and conveniently enough are labelled "H-OVERSCN" and "V-OVERSCN." Their defaults are both 50. I found that setting them to 30 results in an almost complete reduction of overscan (probably 1% on each side, which I keep just for multiple-aspect ratio DVD choices).

I've only done it on my Oppo upscaling player via HDMI. I figure any loss in resolution won't matter a ton on an upscaled 480p source. I've left it alone on my OTA HD antenna feed.
post #2032 of 3250
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Originally Posted by mweflen View Post

FYI (and apologies if it's been mentioned before),

After playing in the service menu, I found the settings to reduce overscan. They are in the "WEM" menu (you have to "JUMP" to it), and conveniently enough are labelled "H-OVERSCN" and "V-OVERSCN." Their defaults are both 50. I found that setting them to 30 results in an almost complete reduction of overscan (probably 1% on each side, which I keep just for multiple-aspect ratio DVD choices).

I've only done it on my Oppo upscaling player via HDMI. I figure any loss in resolution won't matter a ton on an upscaled 480p source. I've left it alone on my OTA HD antenna feed.

Read post 1991 (previous page) and some of the replies that follow. Good info.

In the menu (not service menu) there are 'display area' settings that increase overscan. Each has it's own default in the service menu, which you can change. So, you can have three defaults which you can set to anything you want and easily flip between while watching TV.
post #2033 of 3250
In my long quest to find discretes for the A2000 (and all other Sony TV's by default) I went to the Home Theater Master website and poked around the installer forum. To make a long story real short, I now have working discretes for the Vid outputs mentioned above (and Vid9 as well). If anyone would like these, either let me know how to post the file on this site, or send me an email and I'll get the file out. As an fyi - the file is in a ccf format which with the MX700 remote, is a simple thing to import.

Yippie, my family is happy again.

Mark W
post #2034 of 3250
Hey guys,

Just for curiosity, is the A2000's firmware upgradeable?
post #2035 of 3250
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Originally Posted by RaptorX View Post

Click here for CNET settings

Remember these are a guideline...I'm sure they worked great for CNET, but every TV and viewer is different. YMMV.

If nothing less, your TV should look much better using these settings than in its factory 'torch' mode.

Used CNET's settings last night. You're right... MUCH improved over factory settings, even standard.
post #2036 of 3250
Hey , Im wondering if anyone has a good baseline setting I can try out and tweak for the xbox360, I haven't played with much because i have the TV for 6days now.

I am using the Monster component cables(checkout trading-circuit on ebay for an unbelievable price btw). And I defiantly noticed a difference over the MS cables, colors seem more crisp and clarity has been improved.

Right now the only things I have touched are:
Change from vivid-standard(knew that from my parents sony)
Brightness down a bit.
Noise reduction off.
Game mode on.
all on 1080i
post #2037 of 3250
Can someone please tell me if it is possible to shift the picture up alittle bit in the service menu? When I watch 2:35 movies the top black bar is bigger then the bottom. There is no adjustment in the user menu for this adjustment when watching 1080p or 1080i material. Is there a way in the service menu to adjust this? If so what am I looking for and will it hurt the picture quality if adjusted(focus, pixels, whatever)? Any help would be greatly appreciated as I have searched this thread for a while looking for an answer and would like to get this fixed. Thanks
post #2038 of 3250
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Originally Posted by lars10 View Post

Can someone please tell me if it is possible to shift the picture up alittle bit in the service menu? When I watch 2:35 movies the top black bar is bigger then the bottom. There is no adjustment in the user menu for this adjustment when watching 1080p or 1080i material. Is there a way in the service menu to adjust this? If so what am I looking for and will it hurt the picture quality if adjusted(focus, pixels, whatever)? Any help would be greatly appreciated as I have searched this thread for a while looking for an answer and would like to get this fixed. Thanks

Under the PANEL section, item #1 subitems 4 and 5. IIRC they are labeled as VST_POS and HST_POS.
post #2039 of 3250
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Originally Posted by Stevetd View Post

Hey guys,

Just for curiosity, is the A2000's firmware upgradeable?

One would assume this is one of the purposes for the USB connector on the back. As far as I know, no updates have been released. But, you can save and restore the settings to a USB memory stick using this port.
post #2040 of 3250
Including the stand, what height should the tv be at?
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