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post #211 of 3250
Does anyone know how to turn off the Unsupported Audio Signal error that I get every time I tune to a Dolby Digital broadcast using an HDMI cable? I have tried Input 6 or 7, coming from a Direct TV HD DVR. I know that if I turn Dolby Digital off from the Satellite box I do not receive this error but I would obviously like to use that to receive DD through my Yamaha receiver. I have the HD DVR connected to the Yamaha with an optical cable for Audio, so I could care less about the TV speakers but the error is a little annoying. I have tried with the TV speakers on and off but still receive the error. I know this maybe a problem with the Direct TV HD DVR but just wanted to see if anyone else had a similar setup or issue.

I received the 55" yesterday and have tried the CNET settings and bumped the color up just a little and use Auto 2 Iris settings in the day and Min at night. This if for the HDMI input coming from the HD DVR. Picture is much better on HD and SD than the GWIII it replaced. I am still working on the DVD 480p input over component...

Thanks
post #212 of 3250
My comcast cable box (Motoral DVR) gives the same error. Unfortunately, I don't think that there is a around it. I just run the optical SPDIF connection to my receiver, which means I can't get DD from broadcast until I get a receiver with more SPDIF inputs.
post #213 of 3250
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Originally Posted by jay005 View Post

Does anyone know how to turn off the Unsupported Audio Signal error that I get every time I tune to a Dolby Digital broadcast using an HDMI cable? I have tried Input 6 or 7, coming from a Direct TV HD DVR. I know that if I turn Dolby Digital off from the Satellite box I do not receive this error but I would obviously like to use that to receive DD through my Yamaha receiver. I have the HD DVR connected to the Yamaha with an optical cable for Audio, so I could care less about the TV speakers but the error is a little annoying. I have tried with the TV speakers on and off but still receive the error. I know this maybe a problem with the Direct TV HD DVR but just wanted to see if anyone else had a similar setup or issue.

I received the 55" yesterday and have tried the CNET settings and bumped the color up just a little and use Auto 2 Iris settings in the day and Min at night. This if for the HDMI input coming from the HD DVR. Picture is much better on HD and SD than the GWIII it replaced. I am still working on the DVD 480p input over component...

Thanks

I was not able to get rid of the error because it had to do with my H10-250 box, but if you go to settings, setup, info banner - you can turn this to off and not see the error again. Of course, you still will not get sound through HDMI as long as this is a DD feed.
post #214 of 3250
I don't know why yours looks gray. Maybe your are a little color blind?
Just kidding, you can use any settings you want, it's your set. Have you tried some of the settings from Cnet or the other posters here?
Did you see the picture I snapped this morning of the SD Formula one proagram?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post8218948
Seems very sharp (for SD) and the colors really pop for me. Try increasing the color setting for more saturation.
post #215 of 3250
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Originally Posted by JasonWW View Post

OK, after a little experimenting I will say that the Detail Enhancer is much more powerful than the Edge Enhancement using the HDNET pattern. EE had little effect compared to DE, so I took some photos of the pattern with DE on low and with DE off. Simply turning it off got rid of almost all the white around the gridlines.

Here is the first pic which is DE on low and should be the same as the earlier pic I posted.
DE on low

Here is the pic with DE turned off.
DE off

In my opinion the DE is too powerful. Anything more than the low setting just seems excessive. It is very much like the unsharp mask filter in PS if you are familiar with that. I wish there was a setting in between off and low, but since I had to choose, I prefer low. It just gives everything a small degree of extra clarity. In contrast, the off setting makes everything a tiny bit soft. After flipping back and forth between the 2 settings and different HD programs I think low is the better setting.

The effect on the HDNET pattern resolution seems minimal. I can hardly tell a difference, but it is there. If it were a big difference I would choose the setting that made the lines clearest, but in this case it seems to be user preference.

I noticed the EE mainly on the edges of the numbers, especially the number 7. The EE is probably used to enhance areas of very high contrast differences. (Edges).

Jason, you might want to try to turn your sharpness down and bumb up the DE. I liked mine at about 25-35, but Iamb trying the CNET value of 50 for a little while. Turning the sharpness down should reduce the noise you may be seeing around the black and white edges.

I also suspect that those of us with the LPF issue may be experiencing softer images because I just don't see how CNET can recommend setting DE, and EE to off. Which again shows that Sony's line is BS about it not affecting the PQ.
post #216 of 3250
If Sony sent the fix instructions to CNET I can't believe that the procedures are that elusive to the group here.

Anthony
post #217 of 3250
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Originally Posted by HoundDogCatia View Post

Jason, you might want to try to turn your sharpness down and bumb up the DE. I liked mine at about 25-35, but I am trying the CNET value of 50 for a little while. Turning the sharpness down should reduce the noise you may be seeing around the black and white edges.

Noise? You mean the white around the edges of the gridlines? That only seems to show up on the test pattern and it's only on the left and right sides. The DE dosn't seem to do much on the vertical side of things, only the horizontal. The sharpness control seems to effect both. That's why I increased the sharpness and used minimal DE.

For the sake of experimention I may try what you suggested. If I do, I'll report back.
post #218 of 3250
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Originally Posted by justinto View Post

I was not able to get rid of the error because it had to do with my H10-250 box, but if you go to settings, setup, info banner - you can turn this to off and not see the error again. Of course, you still will not get sound through HDMI as long as this is a DD feed.

Oops - The other night I tried this and it worked but the message is back now
post #219 of 3250
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Originally Posted by sourcery View Post

My green-blob-infected R60XBR1 was exchanged today for a new R60A2000. The delivery guys left just after noon PDT.

After many hours of tweaking (including the use of a THX configurator,) here are the settings I have chosen in an attempt to reproduce the "3D," "depthy" and "filmlike, not-a-TV" look of my XBR1:

"Picture" Page (Custom Mode)

Advanced Iris: Auto1 during the day, Auto 2 at night
Picture: 65 [Changed twice]
Brightness: 59 [Changed twice]
Color: 39 [Changed twice]
Hue: 0
Color Temp: Warm 2 (with white balance adjustements) [Changed thrice]
Sharpness: 50 [Changed]
Noise Reduction: Off [HDMI/Internal Tuner] or Auto [Component]

Advanced Settings (Custom Mode)

Black Corrector: Low
Gamma: Off
Live Color: Off
Detail Enhancer: Off
Edge Enhancer: Off

White Balance (same as CNET):
r-gain: -2
g-gain: -1
b-gain: 0
r-bias: -3
g-bias: -2
b-bias: -1

"Setup" Page

Color Matrix: Custom (using the default color mappings) [Changed]
CineMotion: Auto [Changed]
DRC: (86, 26) [Changed]
Power Saving Mode: On [Changed]

Settings not mentioned are set to factory defaults.

Originally, I very intentionally did not look at anyone else's settings for the A2000. I wanted to form an independent opinion. I have now contrasted/compared my settings versus those of others, and also with those suggested by CNET, and partly as a result have changed my original settings.

I find that these settings result in PQ for HD content on the A2000 that is superior overall to that of the XBR1.

Here are some photos of my set after applying my tweaks:



i used these settings and ...wow...looks sweet especially when watching dvd..
post #220 of 3250
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Originally Posted by bmacgyver View Post

Under the settings menu, there are 2 different areas to make adjustments. When you hit the menu button, it automatically starts at the first area which is picture adjustments. Scan to the bottom of the master menu list, right select, and near the bottom of that submenu is the option to have power save on or off. It is also the same menu for adjusting cinemotion.

thanks
post #221 of 3250
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Originally Posted by jay005 View Post

Does anyone know how to turn off the Unsupported Audio Signal error that I get every time I tune to a Dolby Digital broadcast using an HDMI cable? I have tried Input 6 or 7, coming from a Direct TV HD DVR. I know that if I turn Dolby Digital off from the Satellite box I do not receive this error but I would obviously like to use that to receive DD through my Yamaha receiver. I have the HD DVR connected to the Yamaha with an optical cable for Audio, so I could care less about the TV speakers but the error is a little annoying. I have tried with the TV speakers on and off but still receive the error. I know this maybe a problem with the Direct TV HD DVR but just wanted to see if anyone else had a similar setup or issue.

I received the 55" yesterday and have tried the CNET settings and bumped the color up just a little and use Auto 2 Iris settings in the day and Min at night. This if for the HDMI input coming from the HD DVR. Picture is much better on HD and SD than the GWIII it replaced. I am still working on the DVD 480p input over component...

Thanks

Sounds like we have exactly the same equiptment. Yamaha 2600 Direct tv DVR 10-250 and 55A2000. In any even I have never seen the error you are referring to I feed the HDMI out of Tivo to Yam. then Yam. to input 6. If I am receiving DD from Tivo it shows up on the display and works fine otherwise I think it shows "Standard PCM" I believe I have the audio in the Yam. set to auto.
post #222 of 3250
is there any way to save certain settings?
i found it a bit annoying to change settings from game mode to the dvd mode to other modes...???
post #223 of 3250
Yeah I tried turning the info banner off and yes the error went away for a while but then it came back after surfing through some of the HD channels. I am sure it is an issue with the Direct TV HR10-250. Maybe the version of HDMI is older?

I do not have the Yamaha 2600 with the HDMI in/out. I have an older Yamaha HTR-5560 6.1 and have the HDMI going directly into the 55A2000 from the HR10-250 and optical out on the HR10-250 going directly into the Yamaha.

I will check DBS talk and see if anyone else has any info.

Thanks
post #224 of 3250
The issue is with the TV, not the Tivo. They should have made an option to disable that annoying pop-up message. The reason that it seems to go away is because you simply haven't surfed across a dolby digital broadcast. As soon as you tune to a DD broadcast you should see the error. Others have also reported that running it through their AVR removes the message, but who at Sony thought it was necessary to pop up that idiot box error message on every DD broadcast? "Gee, I'm not getting 5.1 surround sound from my 2 speaker tv, I wonder what's wrong?" Seriously, did we really need that message? And did they need to make it stay on-screen as long as it does? Seems like it's on-screen for 10-15 seconds...
post #225 of 3250
I called Sony Support and they said to use Component cables... GRR

Does anyone know if this type of Audio error pop-up could be removed through the Service Menu?
post #226 of 3250
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jay005 View Post

I called Sony Support and they said to use Component cables... GRR

Does anyone know if this type of Audio error pop-up could be removed through the Service Menu?


May I suggest looking up the HDMI pin out specs, and (if possible) destroy any pins that are dedicated to audio. That, or you could use a DVI-D (and back to HDMI again) adapter which presumably would lack the aforementioned pins.

FYI - this is a theory, may or may not work. Try at own risk.
post #227 of 3250
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Originally Posted by jim_arrows View Post

The issue is with the TV, not the Tivo. They should have made an option to disable that annoying pop-up message. The reason that it seems to go away is because you simply haven't surfed across a dolby digital broadcast. As soon as you tune to a DD broadcast you should see the error. Others have also reported that running it through their AVR removes the message, but who at Sony thought it was necessary to pop up that idiot box error message on every DD broadcast? "Gee, I'm not getting 5.1 surround sound from my 2 speaker tv, I wonder what's wrong?" Seriously, did we really need that message? And did they need to make it stay on-screen as long as it does? Seems like it's on-screen for 10-15 seconds...

No, its not the TV. The SA 8300HD DVR that I have has a similar problem. If I tell it to send sound normally, it sends normal stero to both the TV (over HDMI) and to the receiver over optical because it knows what the TV can handle. If I tell it that I want 5.1, it sends 5.1 to the receiver and doesn't send anything to the TV. Unfortunately it can't do both at once like my DVD player does, but I don't get any messages either. That's the whole point of HDMI being 2 way, so the boxes can be intelligent.
post #228 of 3250
Thread Starter 
Don't know if this counts as a tweak, but here's some pic's of my 10 dollar rope lighting solution to "bias lighting". Pictures don't do justice, there aren't any "hard edges" but the camera creates them. Really it's a VERY soft glow with endless gradiation.

ftp://heaven.selfip.org/Bias%20Lighting/

FYI, site is online most of each day, not always online though.
post #229 of 3250
If I change my settings on one input, say, input 4 for my xbox 360.. and I have my HDMI DVD player on input 7. do I have to change to each input and change the picture settings accordingly to that input.. or do I change for one and each input as those settings no matter what? I would prefer to change each input to which device I have connected to the TV.. but I keep getting confused on which has what...
thanks for the quick answer
post #230 of 3250
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Originally Posted by JacobC1983 View Post

If I change my settings on one input, say, input 4 for my xbox 360.. and I have my HDMI DVD player on input 7. do I have to change to each input and change the picture settings accordingly to that input.. or do I change for one and each input as those settings no matter what? I would prefer to change each input to which device I have connected to the TV.. but I keep getting confused on which has what...
thanks for the quick answer

Man, you got me confused.
Each input has it's own settings.

Hook your Xbox to input 4 and adjust it's picture settings to whatever looks best.

Hook your HDMI DVD player to input 7 and adjust it's picture settings to whatever looks best.

Then label each input with a preset name or a custom name.

The TV will remember each inputs settings, but write then down just in case the power goes out or something.

Does that answer your question?
post #231 of 3250
So I am a newbie with HDMI. On the a2000 it has two hookups, one with audio. Does that mean that I can only have one device with audio play through the tv? If I have a directv unit and an dvd player, does one need to go through a receiver?

Also what brand is everyone using for HDMI cable? I was looking at better cable, but I am not decided.

Thanks,
Seth
post #232 of 3250
Folks say the HDMI cables at Monoprice (link in the box at the top of the page) are just as good as Monster, and much, much cheaper. Also, I think folks have bought a Philips HDMI cable at Wal-Mart with good results, and again, much cheaper than Monster.

With digital, it's all ones and zeros. Either you're making contact or you're not.

Tom
post #233 of 3250
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Originally Posted by ss9168 View Post

So I am a newbie with HDMI. On the a2000 it has two hookups, one with audio. Does that mean that I can only have one device with audio play through the tv? If I have a directv unit and an dvd player, does one need to go through a receiver?

I thought HDMI was video and 2 channel audio. Only ONE of the two HDMI inputs includes audio??? Not both???

Anthony
post #234 of 3250
I e-mailed Sony requesting the service menu settings. Here's their reply...

"The specific filter by pass setting is not a featured specification for the Sony KDS-60A2000 Television. This information is available with a Sony service technician. We suggest that you contact them for assistance."

Spinning wheels.

Anthony
post #235 of 3250
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Originally Posted by ss9168 View Post

So I am a newbie with HDMI. On the a2000 it has two hookups, one with audio. Does that mean that I can only have one device with audio play through the tv? If I have a directv unit and an dvd player, does one need to go through a receiver?

Also what brand is everyone using for HDMI cable? I was looking at better cable, but I am not decided.

Thanks,
Seth

from my understanding hdmi has audio

but, dvi/hdmi does not carry audio

i have the hdmi for my dvd player
but dvi/hdmi for my hdtv digital cable box and have component wires used for the audio (thanks to preludejtstyle and skeeball)

for hdmi go to www.monoprice.com
DIE MONSTER CABLES
no need to pay $75+
post #236 of 3250
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Originally Posted by Servo1 View Post

Folks say the HDMI cables at Monoprice (link in the box at the top of the page) are just as good as Monster, and much, much cheaper. Also, I think folks have bought a Philips HDMI cable at Wal-Mart with good results, and again, much cheaper than Monster.

With digital, it's all ones and zeros. Either you're making contact or you're not.

Tom

i bought the wal mart ones
they work perfectly
post #237 of 3250
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Originally Posted by ss9168 View Post

So I am a newbie with HDMI. On the a2000 it has two hookups, one with audio. Does that mean that I can only have one device with audio play through the tv? If I have a directv unit and an dvd player, does one need to go through a receiver?

Also what brand is everyone using for HDMI cable? I was looking at better cable, but I am not decided.

Thanks,
Seth

HDMI from the directv unit will contain audio. If you are running HDMI from your DVD player, ensure that the DVD HDMI output contains audio. You may need to run the audio separately from the DVD player either using an optical digital cable or RCA cables.
Brand of cable is not very important for HDMI. They pretty much all work the same. Save your money for more important things.
post #238 of 3250
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Originally Posted by analli View Post

I thought HDMI was video and 2 channel audio. Only ONE of the two HDMI inputs includes audio??? Not both???

Anthony

HDMI is capable of carrying a digital audio bitstream. It can be 2 channel, DTS, Dolby Digital or anything else. When a HDMI source (DVD player, cable box, etc.) is connected to a HDMI sink (the A2000), there is a handshaking process where the source asks the sink what it can handle (2 channel, Dolby Digital 5.1, DTS, etc.) and the source then sends what the sink can handle.

The older DVI connection scheme did not handle digital audio at all. To enable audio with DVI sources (where a DVI to HDMI cable such as pictured earlier) the A2000 has auxiliary analog audio connectors with ONE of it's HDMI inputs. If you have a HDMI source connected, you don't use those connectors, if you have a DVI source, you do.

I hope that helps.
post #239 of 3250
Sourcery what settings are you using for SD? are they the same?
post #240 of 3250
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Originally Posted by tim86 View Post

Sourcery what settings are you using for SD? are they the same?

Yes, I use the same settings for HD and SD. I sometimes vary a particular setting for a particular channel or program, if I feel it's required. Such "special case" settings are more often necessary for SD, because there's a much wider range of picture quality and color accuracy among various channels and stations. HD channels are much more consistent with one another--although they also have slight variations, especially in color intensity levels.
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