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post #2581 of 3250
quick question. when watching a high def channel from direct tv or Comcast.. and it is displayed with the Black bars in the side instead of the 16:9 format... what does that mean and is it coming in 1080i, 720p, or 480. just wondering, becasue when watching HD programming in 16:9 format it looks great, but when it is brodcasted with the bars on the side, the picture looks a little grainy ( is that normal)... because i thought that a few weeks ago it still looked a little pretty good even with the bars.. i was worried their was a problem with the TV, but not sure. any help would be appreciated..
post #2582 of 3250
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Originally Posted by habudab View Post

quick question. when watching a high def channel from direct tv or Comcast.. and it is displayed with the Black bars in the side instead of the 16:9 format... what does that mean and is it coming in 1080i, 720p, or 480. just wondering, becasue when watching HD programming in 16:9 format it looks great, but when it is brodcasted with the bars on the side, the picture looks a little grainy ( is that normal)... because i thought that a few weeks ago it still looked a little pretty good even with the bars.. i was worried their was a problem with the TV, but not sure. any help would be appreciated..

Nothing to worry about. What you are seeing are standard definition programs being broadcast on an high definition (720p or 1080i) channel. The stations or networks are doing the upconversion to HD - so the set will react as if it was a HD program.

There are basically two programming philosophies used for HD networks:
1) Exclusive HD - channels such as Discovery HD Theater that have different programs than their SD counterpart - but everything is HD.
2) HD Where Possible - the "regular" networks. If a program is available in HD, it is presented in HD, if it is only available in SD, then it is upconverted.

Then there is TNT HD - where they want to make you think everything is HD (commercials too). So they stretch SD material to fill the screen. Fortunately, their real HD material is very good, but seeing "stretched" old Law & Orders really bugs me.
post #2583 of 3250
great, thanks for the explanation.. so it will appear a little "fuzzy/grainy" when a standard deffinition channel is broadcasted on a high definition channel...???????

i just want to make sure i understand this correctly..!

does this also go with ESPN HD, when they are showing clips from Baseball games/ Basketball game ect that in shown in 4:3 format...???????

thanks
post #2584 of 3250
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Originally Posted by habudab View Post

great, thanks for the explanation.. so it will appear a little "fuzzy/grainy" when a standard deffinition channel is broadcasted on a high definition channel...???????

i just want to make sure i understand this correctly..!

does this also go with ESPN HD, when they are showing clips from Baseball games/ Basketball game ect that in shown in 4:3 format...???????

thanks

Not to pick at you, but do you mean to ask:
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so it will appear a little "fuzzy/grainy" when a standard definition PROGRAM is broadcast on a high definition channel...???????

? If so, yes it would appear fuzzy, but I don't think it should appear grainy (unless you have your set's enhancements turned way up).

ESPN HD usually uses a blue design on their sidebars for SD material. You will likely see more of this as stations & networks switch to HD news and the field reports are SD - though there are some SD field cameras out there that have a widescreen mode. The images from these look pretty good - a little less sharp, but fill the screen.
post #2585 of 3250
DAVEHANCOCK:


Whats the difference between fuzzy and grainy? i am not sure i know. i was trying to see describe it the best i could...

next qusetion- i have not had my TV ISF calibrated YET,,,, do you know of anyone good in the Fort myers/Naples Florida AREA... i just dont want to call anyone.. i would like a recomendation..

Also, know there are alot of people giving their opinions on settings for the picture. i would like to know your opinion on what the settings should be (Since you are the expert and seem very knowledgeable about the A2000).. i would like to set them properly( i know alot has to do with lighting and input sources. i have Upconvert samsung dvd via HDMI and HD DVR for Direct TV.. and Comcast for cable( only thing i worry about with comcast is OTA HD programming.) i know the settings can change from one input to the next, but would like a good base line to start with.. i was not real happy with CNETS settings... ( Just my opinion).. thanks in advance.. and again if you know of anyone in my area that can do the ISF calibration (Properly) then that would be great.
post #2586 of 3250
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Originally Posted by habudab View Post

DAVEHANCOCK:


Whats the difference between fuzzy and grainy? i am not sure i know. i was trying to see describe it the best i could...

Fuzzy is not sharp, kind of blurred. Grainy can be sharp, but looks like the picture has sand in it - think of a movie or photo taken under dim light.

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Originally Posted by habudab View Post

next qusetion- i have not had my TV ISF calibrated YET,,,, do you know of anyone good in the Fort myers/Naples Florida AREA... i just dont want to call anyone.. i would like a recomendation..

Check out THIS isf Forum web site.

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Originally Posted by habudab View Post

Also, know there are alot of people giving their opinions on settings for the picture. i would like to know your opinion on what the settings should be (Since you are the expert and seem very knowledgeable about the A2000).. i would like to set them properly( i know alot has to do with lighting and input sources. i have Upconvert samsung dvd via HDMI and HD DVR for Direct TV.. and Comcast for cable( only thing i worry about with comcast is OTA HD programming.) i know the settings can change from one input to the next, but would like a good base line to start with.. i was not real happy with CNETS settings... ( Just my opinion).. thanks in advance.. and again if you know of anyone in my area that can do the ISF calibration (Properly) then that would be great.

I have issues with the whole concept of using settings from one set on another. There are set to set variations that are not taken into account - so I am not surprised that you are not happy with the CNet settings. But one thing that I need to point out is that calibration is all about making the picture being more accurate (making the set meet the same standards as broadcast and video mastering monitors - so you see the same thing as they do) - NOT more flashy. This results in a slightly dimmer picture, that is smoother and more natural looking. One that shows the subtleties of color and shadow detail.
post #2587 of 3250
thank you.......
post #2588 of 3250
Does anyone have a good setting for:

Xbox360 w/Monster Component Cables
SA 8300HD Cable Box w/monster Component cables

I am currently using the setting that is on the front page for the 360 wondering if anyone has some better ideas
post #2589 of 3250
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Originally Posted by BrewCrew8 View Post

Does anyone have a good setting for:

Xbox360 w/Monster Component Cables
SA 8300HD Cable Box w/monster Component cables

I am currently using the setting that is on the front page for the 360 wondering if anyone has some better ideas

I can't help you with settings for either - but I can tell you one thing for sure: The fact that you are using Monster Brand component cables will make ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE in the settings.
post #2590 of 3250
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Originally Posted by davehancock View Post

...but I can tell you one thing for sure: The fact that you are using Monster Brand component cables will make ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE in the settings.

I'm not so sure about that. Speaking solely for myself, my Monster GameLink XBox360 component cables perform better than MS' stock Xbox360 component cables on my A2000. The added detail and diminished noise level was indeed noticeable on my set, which definitely had an effect on my overall settings. Not looking to start an argument, so don't get me wrong: I'm not saying that Monster specifically is the end-all/be-all of cables, just that in my experience it does pay to make a reasonable investment in cables while eschewing some of the plain-jane generics out there (including the ones that come prepackaged with the electronics we buy). As always, one's mileage may vary.
post #2591 of 3250
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Originally Posted by BasicBlak View Post

I'm not so sure about that. Speaking solely for myself, my Monster GameLink XBox360 component cables perform better than MS' stock Xbox360 component cables on my A2000. The added detail and diminished noise level was indeed noticeable on my set, which definitely had an effect on my overall settings. Not looking to start an argument, so don't get me wrong: I'm not saying that Monster specifically is the end-all/be-all of cables, just that in my experience it does pay to make a reasonable investment in cables while eschewing some of the plain-jane generics out there (including the ones that come prepackaged with the electronics we buy). As always, one's mileage may vary.

But, specifically, what user picture setting would be different as a result of cables. Perhaps, a slight difference in Sharpness? Certainly not, Color Temp, Color, Hue, Brightness, Picture. Even the slight (if any) difference in sharpness settings would be wiped out by sample to sample variation.

But, truthfully, the reason that I mentioned the Monster Cable thing is that no one was responding to his question - so I basically was suggesting that the cables should be taken out of the question and that perhaps others WITHOUT those cables would feel free to respond.
post #2592 of 3250
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Originally Posted by davehancock View Post

But, specifically, what user picture setting would be different as a result of cables. Perhaps, a slight difference in Sharpness? Certainly not, Color Temp, Color, Hue, Brightness, Picture. Even the slight (if any) difference in sharpness settings would be wiped out by sample to sample variation....

In my case: sharpness, color, and hue. Again, speaking solely for myself and my own setup, I had to increase sharpness by about 10 notches, re-adjust hue by 4 notches (in the direction of red), and increase color by 6 notches with the MS cables. Are these earth-shattering differences? And, is it the end of the world if one chooses to use the stock MS cables instead of Monster or MadKatz? Absolutely not. But on a professionally calibrated A2000, adjustments like these aren't exactly subtle, either. And if one is like me--a perfectionist at heart who strives to milk every ounce of performance out of his/her gear, as I assume most of us here are--one always tries to make it the best it can be. Don't want to risk getting too carried away with this, as I've observed on these forums that it doesn't take much for people to get derailed into distracting pissing contests. Just wanted to make the point that on high-scan sets like the A2000, cables can potentially have an impact on user settings. YMMV, naturally.
post #2593 of 3250
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Originally Posted by BasicBlak View Post

Just wanted to make the point that on high-scan sets like the A2000, cables can potentially have an impact on user settings. YMMV, naturally.

Actual research and testing proves otherwise. Not to mention the fact that Monster Cables may actually share the same manufacturing as cables that cost 5-10x less.
post #2594 of 3250
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Originally Posted by JBlacklow View Post

Actual research and testing proves otherwise. Not to mention the fact that Monster Cables may actually share the same manufacturing as cables that cost 5-10x less.

I don't necessarily disagree. But this isn't about Monster per se. It could be Psyclone or Mad Catz or any other Xbox/PS component cable makers that may be out there. I just happen to own the Monster GameLink components since the other two were out of stock at the time. As I said, cables can POTENTIALLY have an impact. That's not to say they always will. My point is merely that their impact shouldn't just be written off out of whole cloth--never hurts to experiment. Whatever established research notwithstanding, if one can discern a difference between cables used with their A2000s (or any other setup), then I'd certainly advocate doing so, be it Monster or any other lesser known but equally effective brands. That said, I can only speak for my own set up and what I see with my own eyes. So for me personally, the Monsters were worth the extra couple of bucks over the MS cables. Others may see or feel differently. 'Nuff said.
post #2595 of 3250
now i got green globs! i swear i thought it was a bad lie. but then i noticed a bunch of spots all over. NOT like what i thought was common- a green glob in the center. mine looked like someone splatttered a very dim dark olive green paint on my screen.

I changed inputs to various sources and they remianed in the same exact spots. fortunately i turned the set off, turned it back on and they were gone.

are the green globs eprhaps a "charge" in the screen? what now? how common is this and is it inheirant in the KDS?

obviously it's not good, and if it is inheirant i assume there is a repair by sony under warranty. I think though if it is so comon, then what?

meanwhile how are you're guys' green spots? is it still rare or more and more common as time goes on?

thanks
post #2596 of 3250
I am not really sure if this question belongs here or on the general A2000 thread but I think I may have condensation on my lenses because my picture seems a bit blury. This is the case with all my inputs. This has been going on for about the past 5 days. I have had my A2000 since last August and the picture has been great since then. I read in the manual where it talks about humid rooms and how this can have an effect on the picture.

It has been really humid in the Dallas area over the past week with all the rain but I have not been running my a/c much at all. Other than cranking the a/c cooler is there anything else I can do. I live in a one bedroom apt. Thanks.

Matt
post #2597 of 3250
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Originally Posted by virtualdude View Post

now i got green globs! i swear i thought it was a bad lie. but then i noticed a bunch of spots all over. NOT like what i thought was common- a green glob in the center. mine looked like someone splatttered a very dim dark olive green paint on my screen.

I changed inputs to various sources and they remianed in the same exact spots. fortunately i turned the set off, turned it back on and they were gone.

are the green globs eprhaps a "charge" in the screen? what now? how common is this and is it inheirant in the KDS?

obviously it's not good, and if it is inheirant i assume there is a repair by sony under warranty. I think though if it is so comon, then what?

meanwhile how are you're guys' green spots? is it still rare or more and more common as time goes on?

thanks

Is it sorta random greenish blotches all over the screen with really off color all over?

I've read about this before and even experienced it myself once. Turn the set off and wait for the fan to cycle off, unplug the set's power cord and leave it unplugged for a few minutes. Plug it back in and turn it on, all those splotches should be gone. Mine did it once after about 6 months, I did the power disconnection and it hasn't happenned again (been about a month now).

This is not the "green glob" problem which is usually a greenish sorta "pee stain" in just one area of the screen.
post #2598 of 3250
hey Steve- no it's not one area. It sounds like you had the same thing as i did. just a splatter of green- real dark- almost an abscence of color. But like i said i turned it off and it seemed to have solved it. it' slike i mentioned- perhaps the screen got "charged" with static or something. but just that once the other day- no more issues. I guess in a good way i'm glad it's not the "green glob" LOL. I mean that sounds more serious than this apparently was. glad i wasn' tthe only one with this issue- makes it more comforting ;-)
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Originally Posted by virtualdude View Post

hey Steve- no it's not one area. It sounds like you had the same thing as i did. just a splatter of green- real dark- almost an abscence of color. But like i said i turned it off and it seemed to have solved it. it' slike i mentioned- perhaps the screen got "charged" with static or something. but just that once the other day- no more issues. I guess in a good way i'm glad it's not the "green glob" LOL. I mean that sounds more serious than this apparently was. glad i wasn' tthe only one with this issue- makes it more comforting ;-)

Nope, you're definitely not the only one, Virtualdude. While watching the Canadian Football League coverage this morning on WorldSport HD (VoomHD), the infamous green glob appeared on my 60A2000 after owning it for about 4 months (mfg date Jan '07). Pea-green splotches were everywhere! At first I said to myself, "Jeez, those Canadians sure have some funky uniforms." That is, til I called up my Dish 211 program guide and noticed those same splotches all over the whites in the guide. I was like, "Holy s**t, so THAT'S what everyone's been talking about!" Since I'd heard of the problem before, I remained calm. Instinctually, I just turned the set off, waited a few moments and turned it back on. Voila! No more green splotches. Didn't have to unplug or wait for the fan to stop, but if it happens again I'll keep those steps in mind. You may be on to something in that it could indeed have something to do with a static charge (or some facsimile thereof). I mean, who knows! There's no telling with this new breed of digital TVs what surprises we may be in store for over the long or short haul. But the problem does appear to have rectified itself. (Fingers crossed.)
post #2600 of 3250
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Originally Posted by squeeblez View Post

I think we might need to get something started for Wikipedia or maybe the Physicians Desk Reference. It could be known as Green Tinge/Haze syndrom. Hypochondria of sorts. People having heard of the dreaded affilction begin to perceive symptomology that is mentally induced

Why just because you haven't seen it? The greentinge/blob is a KNOWN issue with these sets and many people can back it up, Get your facts straight before suggesting people have a mental issue!
post #2601 of 3250
It is quite possible to send out a full HDTV program, be it 720p or 1080i, with a conventional aspect ratio and black bars. Many pre-50's films are in this conventional aspect ratio, be it color or black and white. Recently, The Wizard of Oz has been broadcast in full HDTV, not merely an upconverted version. This is now frequently broadcast in full HDTV with the black bars. It depends upon the ability to find a good film stock and a digital scan of the film being made available to the network or station.

Richard.
post #2602 of 3250
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Originally Posted by nick2003 View Post

Why just because you haven't seen it? The greentinge/blob is a KNOWN issue with these sets and many people can back it up, Get your facts straight before suggesting people have a mental issue!

Well said, Nick. I mean, really...If one has nothing of value to offer, then perhaps one should just keep one's opinions and insults to oneself. We're all just trying to help one another out in here.
post #2603 of 3250
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Originally Posted by nick2003 View Post

Why just because you haven't seen it? The greentinge/blob is a KNOWN issue with these sets and many people can back it up, Get your facts straight before suggesting people have a mental issue!

Way to go Nick! Tell him.....oh wait.

That is a fairly old comment and obviously out of context. But none the less, we were (at the time) discussing people confusing source related issues with "Dreaded Green Glob and Green Haze" I was trying to make a point (sarcastically and humurously) that it is quite easy to get so caught up reading about these problems that you can begin to see things that are not there or are source related and confuse them for a malfunction with the TV.
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Yeah, it's always good to come out and attack a post, TWO MONTHS after it was posted.
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Long time reader, first time poster.

Just picked one of these puppies up on an end-of-the-line bargain. I've been blown away with everything about the set, but I am having some problems with my DVI to HDMI connection from my computer. I have an ATI 9800 Pro (on an MSI display card). I hooked the VGA up out of the video card's second output (for troubleshooting) and the DVI to HDMI out of the first. The VGA is going to the VGA on the A2000 and the DVI to input 7. After some fiddling with settings in Windows and updating the ATI drivers I have reached an impass. The VGA won't go higher than 720p (as is well documented), but the DVI to HDMI gives the message "The signal cannot be processed. Please change your display settings" or something like that (at 1080p), or will go black and stay black at anything higher than 800x600.

Any thoughts on my issue? Are there any programs people might suggest to use on my computer to adjust the resolution better or detect supported resolutions?
post #2606 of 3250
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Originally Posted by ReedTheFeed View Post

Long time reader, first time poster.

Just picked one of these puppies up on an end-of-the-line bargain. I've been blown away with everything about the set, but I am having some problems with my DVI to HDMI connection from my computer. I have an ATI 9800 Pro (on an MSI display card). I hooked the VGA up out of the video card's second output (for troubleshooting) and the DVI to HDMI out of the first. The VGA is going to the VGA on the A2000 and the DVI to input 7. After some fiddling with settings in Windows and updating the ATI drivers I have reached an impass. The VGA won't go higher than 720p (as is well documented), but the DVI to HDMI gives the message "The signal cannot be processed. Please change your display settings" or something like that (at 1080p), or will go black and stay black at anything higher than 800x600.

Any thoughts on my issue? Are there any programs people might suggest to use on my computer to adjust the resolution better or detect supported resolutions?

First and foremost, make sure your ATI card is 100% HDCP compliant. Many are not. "HDCP Compatible" and "HDCP Compliant" aren't necessarily the same thing. I would definitely start there. Also, make sure that whatever DVD player you've installed (if you're using one) has all the proper patches and updates, as some have problems with DVI-to-HDMI connections prior to the firmware fixes. And lastly, some cards (including ATI) don't like having two outputs active at the same time despite their ability to seemingly do so. You might want to deactivate the card's VGA output (since the VGA input on the A2000 is inferior anyway) and use only DVI-to-HDMI. Your problem should definitely be addressed by one or all of these three items. Anyone else care to chime in here, in case I've overlooked something?
post #2607 of 3250
is there a color decoding problem with my set. i just got the hd-dvd version of DVE. when doing the color tests with the strips i can get red and blue perfect but green is all whacked out. no matter what i change, color temp, gains and bias, and color space i still cant get green to come out right. also my setting to get red and blue perfect was 53 and i was normally at 41 for color. not sure if my set is bad or if its just an sxrd issue. program material still looks good though
post #2608 of 3250
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Originally Posted by stevedabomb View Post

is there a color decoding problem with my set. i just got the hd-dvd version of DVE. when doing the color tests with the strips i can get red and blue perfect but green is all whacked out. no matter what i change, color temp, gains and bias, and color space i still cant get green to come out right. also my setting to get red and blue perfect was 53 and i was normally at 41 for color. not sure if my set is bad or if its just an sxrd issue. program material still looks good though

The problem is that the color filters provided with DVE (or any other set-up DVD) is not a good match with ACTUAL color of green on the SXRD (and a lot of other sets as well). These filters need to be used with a great deal of caution (and skepticism).
post #2609 of 3250
ok thanks. what do you recommend to calibrate color on the sxrd?
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Originally Posted by stevedabomb View Post

ok thanks. what do you recommend to calibrate color on the sxrd?

Steve, the ONLY way to accurately "CALIBRATE" the color is to use professional instrumentation to MEASURE what is being displayed. However, short of spending around $300 to have it professionally calibrated use DVE, but just be careful about tweaking the hue and color adjustments. Stick to adjustments with the blue filter and trust your eyes from there.
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