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post #31 of 3237
8/3/06 at 1:41pm
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Originally Posted by HoundDogCatia View Post

Zero is the factory default for Hue. It is also the middle. You might be mistaking it for something else.


oh, my fault. I was thinking 0-100 not -50 to +50. I remembered it was dead center.

Sorry about that.
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post #32 of 3237
8/3/06 at 2:37pm
http://gallery.avsforum.com/data/503/Bikini2.jpg

I wasn't able to figure out my girlfriends digital camera very well, so realize that these women looked much better on my tv.
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post #33 of 3237
8/3/06 at 6:40pm
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Originally Posted by DJL53 View Post

Dallas what are your impressions of the PQ?


I love it thus far. I think a calibration will make this shine, I'm putting that off for a month or so. Most things look gorgeous to me. I'm 8' back on a 60". I think I am just now getting my bias's set up right. -7 on red and green is gettng me close to even. Before that, red shirts and the like would be blindingly bright and "bloom". I dropped the green bias to even the hue, but I should probably pump that back up and calibrate the actual hue setting again. In the end, I am going to have ISF founding member calibrate it, so he'll get it looking good I am sure.

BTW, I am only using a cable source, antenna, and a 1080p HTPC source. (which was easy to get working, just set the resolution to 1080p and it worked).

the people talking about crappy SD must have bad sources, because I was shocked how good SD looks. Gotta disable all the "enhancements" first though.



BTW everyone, when we come up with really good info, I will maintain a FAQ at the beginning of the thread.
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post #34 of 3237
8/3/06 at 8:40pm
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Originally Posted by cmaxwell View Post

i copied these settings and the PQ is superb. although i tweaked it a lil for my dvd player http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...44#post8102344

cmaxwell, Have you made any tweaks other than the ones in that post?
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post #35 of 3237
8/3/06 at 9:22pm
So does anyone know:

1) How to get into the a2000 service menu.

2) How to make the service menu tweak to the low pass filter (which I believe both CNET and umr said was needed to address high resolution inputs properly).

Here is the CNET review that mentions this necessary tweak:
http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_KDS_60A...2.html?tag=toc
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post #36 of 3237
8/3/06 at 9:33pm
To get into the service menu, do the following:
Power off; display;5;volume up;power on.

Don't ask me what to do after that. I was able to get in, but all I saw was some green text at the top of the display. To exit, I just powered off.
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post #37 of 3237
8/4/06 at 12:14am
Use the following remote sequence to gain access to the service menu:
<5>

Be very careful. Write the default settings down before changing anything!!!!

Once there, the following keys will control the settings:
The 1 & 4 key will move up and down the individual option choices
The 2 & 5 will "tab" you between sections
The 3 & 6 will make the changes to each option
The jump key will switch you between the different menu systems
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post #38 of 3237
8/4/06 at 12:23am
Using the service menu, I can adjust the image H & V and also blanking, but can't find out where to zoom it out so that it eliminates the overscan on HMDI. I used to be able to do this on the old KL-W9000 and then adjust H&V and blanking, but no luck so far on the A2000. I need to keep looking around later and while I'm there, I'll look for something that may indicate low-pass filter. BTW, the RGB Gain/Bias settings are under the 2 WB section in Panel Service.

Sure would be nice if we had a PDF describing these settings.
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post #39 of 3237
8/4/06 at 1:12am
Man am I glad to see this thread. Here is what arrived last night;
KDS60A2000
SURS11X Stand
STRDG800 Sony 7.1 Receiver W/HDMI (Not sure this was a good choice)
HDA1 HD DVD Player
Definitive Technology ProMonitor 80 Bookshealf speakers
Definitive Technology Center channel speaker
Definitive Technology Pro subwoofer
Harmony 880 Remote
Belkin PureAV UPS; 8 Outlet
It is 3AM and here I am trying to figure out how to connect everything. I have been lurking in this forum for a couple of months and have learned a great deal, but when it comes to HDMI and the best way to connect all the components, it seems the more I learn, the more confused I become. I hope to continue learning from you guy's and maybe at some point down the road, I will have learned enough to contribute for someone else.
Thanks guys.
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post #40 of 3237
8/4/06 at 7:02am
Thank you guys. Now if only we could find this "low pass" setting (and any other settings that aid in fixing the issue).
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post #41 of 3237
8/4/06 at 7:06am
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Originally Posted by AVBill View Post

Thank you guys. Now if only we could find this "low pass" setting (and any other settings that aid in fixing the issue).

It will come soon enough. At least there is a fix, which is a huge plus.

If worst comes to worst, you can call up sony and complain about the PQ and they may send someone out to fix it? who knows.
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post #42 of 3237
8/4/06 at 7:15am
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Originally Posted by AVBill View Post

Thank you guys. Now if only we could find this "low pass" setting (and any other settings that aid in fixing the issue).

That would be quite helpful.
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post #43 of 3237
8/4/06 at 7:22am
Well, if some people hadn't pissed umr off, we'd probably have the answer to LPF and overscan by now. It's too bad he got feed up trying to help. Hopefully, he'll have a change of heart or another ISF calibrator familiar with Sony RPTV SXRD equipment will post in this thread. Not all of us have ISF folks locally and/or care to wait for the bulb hours before calling one in.

I'll probably call Sony myself on the overscan issue and LPF. I hate overscan, especially since it'll be even more evident when connecting a PC over HDMI.

EDIT: I've queried Sony Service via their web form concerning LPF and overscan, asking that they provide me an answer or send out service tech.
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post #44 of 3237
8/4/06 at 7:37am
Yes, the overscan is a bit of a pain as well. I have a Radeon X800 XL and I can't get the full 1080p image displayed using Catalyst. Catalyst will allow me to adjust an interlaced signal to fit but it will not allow me to to resize the 1080p signal.
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post #45 of 3237
8/4/06 at 7:51am
BTW everyone, when we come up with really good info, I will maintain a FAQ at the beginning of the thread.[/quote]

Good idea, I was just thinking that it would be nice to have all the good info in one place.
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post #46 of 3237
8/4/06 at 7:52am
Understand that no service menu adjustments will get clean 1:1 pixel-mapped 1080p to display edge-to-edge with no overscan on any rear-projection display. The panels themselves have a resolution of exactly 1920x1080 and are optically overscanned - this is not adjustable. To get rid of overscan in 1080i or 1080p, the correct way to go about it is to define a slightly smaller resolution using 1080i/p timings (as was described in the CNET review). This is on the PC side of things. If you're adjusting overscan for video, well then you may or may not be able to adjust things to the amount of overscan you desire in the service menu but keep in mind the instant you do anything that adjusts the size of the image and not just the alignment of it, you lose 1:1 pixel mapping, which will lead to loss of resolution regardless of how good the set's scaler is...
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post #47 of 3237
8/4/06 at 8:16am
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Originally Posted by psincubus View Post

It will come soon enough. At least there is a fix, which is a huge plus.

If worst comes to worst, you can call up sony and complain about the PQ and they may send someone out to fix it? who knows.

I already have called them and pointed them to the CNET article. They "escalated" my issue and are supposed to call me back. I'd love for them to just tell me how to do it, but I think that is just wishful thinking. There is a chance I might return my a2000 (to get an XBR2) before they can get a person out here. I really wish I could nail down if the XBR2 will truly be an upgrade in color and 1080i deinterlacing. There are vastly conflicting reports on these issues.

Anyone else who want to inquire about the low pass, please don't hesitate to call Sony support. The more people that call, the more likely they will fix this problem on future sets, and the more likely they will organize a proper response to people who already own the sets. The number to call is on the back of the a2000 manual.
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post #48 of 3237
8/4/06 at 8:18am
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Originally Posted by AVBill View Post

My optical out on the a2000 works fine (as long as the a2000's speakers are off) for over-the-air HD broadcasts the TV decodes.

Should I assume that my optical digital output is broken? Or again, is there something that I'm missing. I am running the optical from the Sony straight to my Pioneer receiver.
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post #49 of 3237
8/4/06 at 8:19am
Can't adjust for optical overscan? That makes some sense since it involves how they focus the image onto the screen. It still sucks though.
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post #50 of 3237
8/4/06 at 9:02am
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Originally Posted by jbug View Post

Should I assume that my optical digital output is broken? Or again, is there something that I'm missing. I am running the optical from the Sony straight to my Pioneer receiver.

What signal source (specifically) are you trying to play through the optical out? What device is generating it, and how is it connected to the a2000?

In my case it is going this way:
UHF Antenna -> a2000's Tuner -> a2000 optical out to Denon Receiver

When the a2000's speakers are "off" the Denon gets the information fed to it from the TV's tuner.

If you had an external cable box, however, I'm not sure if the optical out would help you. I'm not sure if the optical out is a pass-through in any way (or just for the tuner). I'm only using it with the TV's internal tuner.
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post #51 of 3237
8/4/06 at 11:55am
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Originally Posted by HoundDogCatia View Post

What mode do you generally watch SD in? I'm not sure that I like the full mode as much as the normal 4:3.

Either normal or wide zoom if the geometry doesn't bother me. That depends on the show I'm watching. On wide zoom I don't see any grain.

As far as the low pass filter, why do you guys want to remove it? I think UMR said it helped prevent the "moire" affect. Leaving it as is softens this. I think that's fine. Did that article say there is an advantage to removing it?
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post #52 of 3237
8/4/06 at 12:50pm
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Originally Posted by JasonWW View Post

As far as the low pass filter, why do you guys want to remove it? I think UMR said it helped prevent the "moire" affect. Leaving it as is softens this. I think that's fine. Did that article say there is an advantage to removing it?

My interpretation of that issue is that it was set too high so was filtering too much. My guess is that Sony's remedy was to turn the LPF down, not off.

Edit:
I'm basing that guess on this post from UMR but I may be totally off base and it may be an all or nothing scenario:

"It is called a low pass filter. Sony tends to love the darn things to eliminate moire. Unfortunately, the ones used in these by default are so strong the single pixel pattern on my Accupel for 1080i and 720p did not exist. These things are much more common than most people are aware of.

I had a section of the GW tweaks targeted at eliminating these. Sony has brought them back with even stronger effect. "
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post #53 of 3237
8/4/06 at 1:16pm
Sony should probably leave the low pass filter on for low resolutions, but certainly it should be turned off for better inputs (such as component and HDMI). I'd gladly accept a little "moire" effect (that is in the material anyway) to get the full resolution of my sources. We bought a 1080p TV, not a 880p TV with an active Moire filter. Anything that sharpens up my Xbox 360's 1080i resolution I'm all for.
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post #54 of 3237
8/4/06 at 1:49pm
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Originally Posted by dallas27 View Post

I love it thus far. I think a calibration will make this shine, I'm putting that off for a month or so. Most things look gorgeous to me. I'm 8' back on a 60". I think I am just now getting my bias's set up right. -7 on red and green is gettng me close to even. Before that, red shirts and the like would be blindingly bright and "bloom". I dropped the green bias to even the hue, but I should probably pump that back up and calibrate the actual hue setting again. In the end, I am going to have ISF founding member calibrate it, so he'll get it looking good I am sure.

BTW, I am only using a cable source, antenna, and a 1080p HTPC source. (which was easy to get working, just set the resolution to 1080p and it worked).

the people talking about crappy SD must have bad sources, because I was shocked how good SD looks. Gotta disable all the "enhancements" first though.



BTW everyone, when we come up with really good info, I will maintain a FAQ at the beginning of the thread.

i agree my sd video are good also. btw look back at my post on first page and try those settings it made my set go from a 8 to a 10
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post #55 of 3237
8/4/06 at 1:52pm
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Originally Posted by EricBurg View Post

cmaxwell, Have you made any tweaks other than the ones in that post?

on my dvd i think i had to turn up the brightness, but then again i'm using an older SAMSUNG HD DVD PLAYER 841 MODEL i think
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post #56 of 3237
8/4/06 at 1:58pm
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Originally Posted by jbug View Post

Should I assume that my optical digital output is broken? Or again, is there something that I'm missing. I am running the optical from the Sony straight to my Pioneer receiver.

from my understanding the optical only work for ota broadcast. but 1 ques. why not run the optical from you hd box to the receiver.
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post #57 of 3237
8/4/06 at 2:27pm
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Originally Posted by bill175 View Post

I am happier with SD than I thought I would be. One question I have for other owners is the noise issue. I have far less noise than I had on a Mits 52628 that I had for about 10 months, and also far less than on a Sammy HL-S5688. UMR mentioned that he felt there was a noise problem with this TV that would be noticable to the layman. Compared to DLP I'm happy, but I am not sure if it coluld be much better. How do you guys feel about the noise on your sets? Thank god for this thread, the other was giving me a headache.

what noise? i have yet to hear any , how far from tv i need to be to hear it?
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post #58 of 3237
8/4/06 at 2:38pm
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Originally Posted by cmaxwell View Post

what noise? i have yet to hear any , how far from tv i need to be to hear it?

Noise in the image. The PQ. Those specks or pixilation due to a weak analog signal. Snow.

I just posted up a bunch of hi-res pics from the analog SD channels.

posts 2599, 2603 and 2604.

I'm using an old signal amplifier from a few years ago and it really helps the higher numbers analog channels like Sci-Fi and FX here on TWC in Houston.
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post #59 of 3237
8/4/06 at 2:45pm
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Originally Posted by JasonWW View Post

Noise in the image. The PQ. Those specks or pixilation due to a weak analog signal. Snow.

I just posted up a bunch of hi-res pics from the analog SD channels.

posts 2599, 2603 and 2604.

I'm using an old signal amplifier from a few years ago and it really helps the higher numbers analog channels like Sci-Fi and FX here on TWC in Houston.

i run all my sd in the 4 3 settings . would i still hear noise then?
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post #60 of 3237
8/4/06 at 4:26pm
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Originally Posted by stevenjw View Post

Use the following remote sequence to gain access to the service menu:
<5>

Be very careful. Write the default settings down before changing anything!!!!

Once there, the following keys will control the settings:
The 1 & 4 key will move up and down the individual option choices
The 2 & 5 will "tab" you between sections
The 3 & 6 will make the changes to each option
The jump key will switch you between the different menu systems


Congrats, first post to make the FAQ at beginning of thread....
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