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post #61 of 3237
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Originally Posted by bill175 View Post

Thank god for this thread, the other was giving me a headache.

Bill,

I agree that the "other" thread was getting way too long. However..... (and I'm not singling you out, just using your quote as a segue).

Can we PLEASE keep this Thread on track with the title, i.e., Settings/Tweaks?

If you feel the need to talk about other issues or how great the set looks, please use the old thread or start a new one. If not, this thread will quickly become nearly useless too.

Whoever volunteered to start a FAQ (or a guide) at the top, please do. That is a great idea and similar to what's been done with other important threads before making them sticky. I think once we have a good FAQ at the top, asking the moderator to make this thread stick is the next move and would be welcomed.

EDIT: Good timing dallas 27. Thanks for starting that FAQ and even more so, for using my post.
post #62 of 3237
This is still just standard Sony service menu navigation info here - nothing specific to this set - but as you make changes to values with the 3 and 6 keys, you still haven't committed them permanently to the set. If you wish to revert back to what the previous settings were, hit 0 then enter. Alternatively, if you're happy with the changes you've made and you're absolutely positive you want the set to keep them for all eternity (at least until you change them again ), hit mute then enter. In the read case, you'll see a 'READ' appear on-screen when you hit 0 that turns red when you hit enter and the settings will revert back to what they were in a couple seconds (the screen may briefly go black when you do this). And similarly for the write case except that of course the settings won't be changing after a couple seconds.

Feel free to add this info to the answer for the SM question of the FAQ in whichever form you choose.
post #63 of 3237
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Googer View Post

This is still just standard Sony service menu navigation info here - nothing specific to this set - but as you make changes to values with the 3 and 6 keys, you still haven't committed them permanently to the set. If you wish to revert back to what the previous settings were, hit 0 then enter. Alternatively, if you're happy with the changes you've made and you're absolutely positive you want the set to keep them for all eternity (at least until you change them again ), hit mute then enter. In the read case, you'll see a 'READ' appear on-screen when you hit 0 that turns red when you hit enter and the settings will revert back to what they were in a couple seconds (the screen may briefly go black when you do this). And similarly for the write case except that of course the settings won't be changing after a couple seconds.

Feel free to add this info to the answer for the SM question of the FAQ in whichever form you choose.

Thanks googer, it's been added. I assume 0 + Enter is what you meant by "READ" and Mute + Enter (corrected) was "Write"?

If someone has a list of menu and "titles" and the traslations to what they stand for, that would be useful to many. Especially useful would be a notation on which settings have dangerous consequences/potential for unsuspecting owners.
post #64 of 3237
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Originally Posted by dallas27 View Post

Thanks googer, it's been added. I assume 0 + Enter is what you meant by "READ" and 0 + Mute was "Write"?

If someone has a list of menu and "titles" and the traslations to what they stand for, that would be useful to many. Especially useful would be a notation on which settings have dangerous consequences/potential for unsuspecting owners.

Correct for reading; for writing you mean Mute + Enter. I would consider all settings dangerous for the uninitiated, at least until we definitively document some of these. I could do this for a lot of the settings very quickly if I had a set in front of me, but unfortunately I don't, since I'm actually not an owner; I've merely played around some on a set I have pretty ready access to.
post #65 of 3237
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Googer View Post

Correct for reading; for writing you mean Mute + Enter. I would consider all settings dangerous for the uninitiated, at least until we definitively document some of these. I could do this for a lot of the settings very quickly if I had a set in front of me, but unfortunately I don't, since I'm actually not an owner; I've merely played around some on a set I have pretty ready access to.

I corrected my error, Sorry, I'm on a lot of vicodin at the moment. (BTW, it improves PQ!!) :-)



I'd like to add for public critique that I am totally disregarding the "4 inch" rear space rule. I have it about 1 to 1.5 inches. Otherwise the TV is totally open on all sides. Maybe I'm a moron, but heat seems to escape quite easily. Also, I am on "power saving mode" so that should reduce heat output.
post #66 of 3237
I finished some tests on game lag with the a2000. Please feel free to read here if you are interested in my thoughts and a few interesting pictures:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post8144943

Note: my recommended mode of play with the Xbox 360 and an a2000 is at 1080i with Game Mode on.
post #67 of 3237
Would anyone mind sharing what receiver you are using via HDMI with your setup. I am trying to use a Sony STR-DG800 and it is just not working. Any recomendations would be greatly appreciated.
post #68 of 3237
AVBill or any A2000 owner, Are any of you using POWERSTRIP? And with any luck correcting the overscan? My A2000 is running ATI thru DVI-HDMI and I can't get the settings on the videocard or TV to correct this issue. I wanted to hear from some other owners before downloading the software.
post #69 of 3237
has anyone found the Use tab in CNETs review yet? im very intrested in what they had they're settings at.
post #70 of 3237
The a2000 has been in people's hand for less than 2 weeks and we already have build date questions.

Googer suggests that the low-pass filter problem noted in the CNET review maybe limited to June SP3 sets in
this post

My a2000 is June SP3. If anyone know the relevant place to look in the service menu for the low-pass filter, maybe we can compare values for June and July build dates.
post #71 of 3237
I can't find the use tab on the CNET review either. I thought I was going crazy looking all over for it.
post #72 of 3237
i have a ques. on my lcd panasonic i had to connect seperate composite cables to hook up my vcr for recording games. on my a2000 what would be the best hook up for vcr using hdmi running from hd box to tv.( for hooking the vcr up for recording) thx in advance.
post #73 of 3237
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Originally Posted by EricBurg View Post

I can't find the use tab on the CNET review either. I thought I was going crazy looking all over for it.

In the CNET review, on the top right, there is a link that says "add to my products." One added, you can get to extra pages that have the Use tab.
post #74 of 3237
Does anyone know exactly what the DRC Palette does, and what some successful settings are?
post #75 of 3237
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Originally Posted by dallas27 View Post

I love it thus far. I think a calibration will make this shine, I'm putting that off for a month or so. Most things look gorgeous to me. I'm 8' back on a 60". I think I am just now getting my bias's set up right. -7 on red and green is gettng me close to even. Before that, red shirts and the like would be blindingly bright and "bloom". I dropped the green bias to even the hue, but I should probably pump that back up and calibrate the actual hue setting again.

Bias adjustments are for correction of the dark parts of the images. For blindingly bright images you must use the Gain controls not the bias controls.

KTTV Images
post #76 of 3237
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Originally Posted by cmaxwell View Post

i copied these settings and the PQ is superb. although i tweaked it a lil for my dvd player http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...44#post8102344

I agree 100% that these settings are excellent. They were very close to what I originally came up with using test discs from my HD-A1 over HDMI. Still, there were a few changes/additions that improved on what I came up with. I use them on all my inputs, as many as apply since some are grayed out.

I'd only add that I found Noise Reduction=Medium eliminates some noise issues that I was seeing in the VertRezMotion test. I use that now too. I also set Auto Iris to 2 during the day or with a lot of ambient light to add some punch and Auto 1 during for night time viewing and dark movies to improve the blacks. And have reduced contrast slightly from 80 to 77.

EDIT: Here are the settings originally provided by AGZELA in the big A2000 thread:

HDMI settings using a Directv HD receiver
1- Set the Color Matrix to Custom and all resolutions to either ITU601 or ITU709 mine are ITU601. (MY ISF guy found inaccurate color with the automatic setting)
2- Set Cinemotion to Auto it helped to clear up the 480I signals a whole lot.
3- Turn OFF all enhancements(CNET recommends this for the XBR1 as well)
4-Go to a 480i signal and change the DRC palette to High Density and MAX for both reality and clarity(top right corner of box)
5- Use power saving mode=on it enhances the blacks without the extra noise from the other options.

These are my Picture settings after ISF (mind you he did go into the service menu)
Picture mode= Custom
Advanced Iris= Auto 1
Picture= 80
Brightness= 56
Color= 57
Hue=0
Color Temp=Neutral (ISF Tech found it to be the closest to 6500K)
Sharpness= 50

White Balance settings=
r-Gain=-11
g-gain=-13
b-Gain=0
r-bias=4
g-bias=3
b-bias= 2
post #77 of 3237
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Originally Posted by Mute Elation View Post

In the CNET review, on the top right, there is a link that says "add to my products." One added, you can get to extra pages that have the Use tab.

And thanks for that pointer to Use tab on CNET. I couldn't find it either.

However, once I signed up, added the 60A2000 to my products, and went there, clicking on the use link (not a tab) only took me to the useless Tips & Help tab page.

I still can't find where they're posted anything on the setting used in this review.
post #78 of 3237
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Originally Posted by KTTV Images View Post

Bias adjustments are for correction of the dark parts of the images. For blindingly bright images you must use the Gain controls not the bias controls.

KTTV Images

Not only that, but the gain and bias controls aren't for adjusting color - they're for adjusting white balance / grayscale. This has some impact on colors (especially yellows, cyans, and magentas - the secondary colors), but you're in all likelihood throwing the grayscale ridiculously off-track by trying to fix colors with the gains and biases (though unless you're using Custom mode with Warm 2 for the color temperature, it already is anyway ). The color-adjusting controls in the user menu are hue, color / saturation (I forget which one it's called on the A2000), and the 'Live Color' setting.
post #79 of 3237
Thread Starter 
You are right it was gain, again, I've been a bit loopy lately from medication. Sorry.

I was using component (from cable box) to TV and once my DVI adapter arrived by mail yesterday, I was able to move over the the DVI output, and I no longer needed the GAIN adjustment. Seems the component out on my cable box doesn't do a great job. A lot of colors were off.

Much better picture now.
post #80 of 3237
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Originally Posted by cmaxwell View Post

i have a ques. on my lcd panasonic i had to connect seperate composite cables to hook up my vcr for recording games. on my a2000 what would be the best hook up for vcr using hdmi running from hd box to tv.( for hooking the vcr up for recording) thx in advance.

I'm not sure what this has to do with the A2000, but I will answer anyway. You will need to continue using the composite out from the DVR to the VCR. If you have the SA8300HD then it might use a screensaver after 1:15AM and you won't be able to record to the VCR until you actually press a button on the DVR remote.
post #81 of 3237
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Originally Posted by JasonWW View Post

I'm not sure what this has to do with the A2000, but I will answer anyway.

thx. for your reply i'm trying to hook up my vcr to A2000.
post #82 of 3237
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Originally Posted by cmaxwell View Post

thx. for your reply i'm trying to hook up my vcr to A2000.

Are you trying to record video games? I thought you meant something else. You would need to post that elsewhere I believe and include all the details on what game system you have etc...
post #83 of 3237
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Originally Posted by JasonWW View Post

Are you trying to record video games? I thought you meant something else. You would need to post that elsewhere I believe and include all the details on what game system you have etc...

football games ( STEELER STYLE.) LOL
post #84 of 3237
Oh, OK. Just leave the HD box on the right channel and attach the composite + left/right RCA audio plugs to the VCR. If your VCR has S-video, use it, it will look better. Ideally you would want to record it to the DVR in HD and then play it back in HD.
post #85 of 3237
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Originally Posted by Mute Elation View Post

In the CNET review, on the top right, there is a link that says "add to my products." One added, you can get to extra pages that have the Use tab.

I did it, but when I clicked on "use" it just took me to the tips and help page. which contains nothing.
post #86 of 3237
Thread Starter 
Anyone watching the football game? Gorgeous. If this doesn't justify your purchase, nothing will.
post #87 of 3237
Yep.....Trying some of these tweaks on the game. Fantasy Football PAID for this HDTV
post #88 of 3237
OK, I finally think I have some decent settings for someone to try out.
This is my DVD settings input 5 using component cables. I'll post my SA-8300HD afterwards as they are the same yet a few things are different.

Color Matrix to Custom
power saving mode=on
Picture settings
Picture mode= Custom
Advanced Iris= Auto 1
Picture= 65
Brightness= 51
Color= 51
Hue=G1
Color Temp=Cool
Sharpness=80
Noise Reduction=off
DRC=high density
Advanced Settings
all off, except gamma=low
White Balance settings=
r-Gain=-7
g-gain=-7
b-Gain=0
r-bias=0
g-bias=0
b-bias= 0

For TV viewing on input 4 I changed:
Sharpness=25
NR=high
Edge Enhancement=medium

On my particular set I also set the Horizontal Screen setting to +3 to move the image a little to the right.

Now that I have all this written down I'm going to try the settings from post #1463 from the owners thread. If I think it's better, same or worse than my current settings I'll let you guys know.
post #89 of 3237
Thread Starter 
Playing with the horizontal center, It shows you just how much you are "missing" with overscan. It really makes you wish you could adjust it manually.
post #90 of 3237
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Originally Posted by JasonWW View Post

I'll post my SA-8300HD afterwards as they are the same yet a few things are different.

I'm looking forward to seeing your SA8300HD setup. I'll be getting my 60a2000 delivered Saturday and will be using TW's SA8300DVR until my A/V equipment arrives. Thanks.
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