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post #61 of 98
I bought a open box 1A, it only came with only a remote, once i got home i turned it on, waited seemed forever to boot, opened the tray and out popped a dirty smudged Phantom of the Opera!
Well first thing off is the audio was so low!, i had to crank my reciver up to the + ranges just to hear anything!
Once i found that damn secret menu button under the sliding cover, i went in and turned all the audio settings to on, isnt as low now.
post #62 of 98
The volume level is low via the digital coax connected to the DD/DTS receiver. I am not talking a little low, it's about 15 settings too low, basically if you get acceptable settings for POTO, and then switch discs and forget to lower the volume, you will get earth shattering blasts from your speakers.

I'm talking loud enough to upset the wife on the 2nd floor from the paradigms in the supposedly noise insulated home theatre in the basement.
post #63 of 98
The producers of the disc should not have made the viewer have to jump through hoops to get a decent decibel level out of the disc. They missed the boat here. Careful if you switch to a normal disc after you crank the volume all the way up to play this disc. You will blow out your speakers.

The visual quality is stunning. The lighting, subtle colors, detail - all stellar. Too bad about the sound. Currently the longest running MUSICAL on Broadway the video is true to the stage production in most respects. The performances were most notably weak in the casting of the Phantom. Wrong age and wrong vocal range. What impressed me the most were the stage numbers within the film. The costumes, choreography, lighting, and editing were superb.

One of the reasons this film lost money was from a lack of understanding of the stage presentation itself on the part of many of the movie goers. That is clearly evidenced from some of the comments in this thread. Many people familiar with the "horror" version of the film thought the production was a musical version of that instead of being nearly completely re-written for the stage. Others hear the operatic voices and think it is an opera. I am sure many of those same people liked the dreadful updated "musical" version of Moulin Rouge with it's silly songs, cut short choreography, and truly bad casting.

It's kind of mind boggling that such a popular musical could be misinterpreted so much, but it is true. Even many of the reviewers online of the HD DVD version are admitted musical theatre haters. They liked the techie qualities of the disc, but hate Andrew Lloyd Webber.

Even when I purchased the HD DVD version (I also own the SD version and THE SOUND TRACK IS MUTED AS WELL) the older guy at the register said he liked the Lon Chaney Jr version of the film better. Incredible.

John
post #64 of 98
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Originally Posted by Dr Kain View Post

I was expecing a movie that would have the musical stuff during the performances, NOT during the entire movie.

That's why it's called a musical theatre
post #65 of 98
Nuts - The PQ and audio on this disc is stunning - the movie is not for everyone, but the presentation is sterling.
post #66 of 98
I am having the same audio issues, and I will be taking it back. If I listen to KONG at the same level I'll blow all of my speakers. Sadly, I love the movie. I guess I'll have to stick to the SD DVD for now.

I've never had to pump up the volume on my receiver anywhere close to maximum before this HD DVD.

I tired multiple settings before giving up on this title.

I am open to suggestions...
post #67 of 98
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Originally Posted by rdjam View Post

Nuts - The PQ and audio on this disc is stunning - the movie is not for everyone, but the presentation is sterling.

Nuts is right. Couldn't have said it better myself. This movie is a moving work of art. It is absolutely stunning, and the audio was out of this world! The 100 piece orchestra they used never sounded so amazing as it does here. Utterly fantastic! Definitely one you want in your HD DVD library.
post #68 of 98
Here we go...
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Now, here's the thing: WB's disc appears to be mastered at some 10-12 db lower than the SD disc. Turning up the volume introduced some small additional, unwanted hiss and hum into the system. Anyway, after adjusting the two discs for equal output, I found the sound of the HD-DVD's DD+ and TrueHD through the analogue outputs was more than acceptable. It seems clear, open, and extended. Of course, increasing the overall volume means that you'll have to turn down the sound the next time you play a standard-definition disc with its greater gain, so be careful not to harm your speakers or your ears.

Found this HERE.

I don't have Dolby True HD yet so I think I'll have to send this one back. I have to turn it up so high I start getting a slight hiss like he described above.

Oh well...
post #69 of 98
PQ looked soft to my eyes. I also didn't like how they used only one refrain or melody; kinda gets old, great audio though but not really 'immersive' as most of it was singing.
post #70 of 98
OOT
Trivia:
Do you reckognise Butler in the Bond movie "Tomorrow Never Dies" ?
He has one line on camera.

post #71 of 98
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Originally Posted by Kysersose View Post

Here we go...

Found this HERE.

I don't have Dolby True HD yet so I think I'll have to send this one back. I have to turn it up so high I start getting a slight hiss like he described above.

Oh well...

The TrueHD is amazing. You can hear how well Emma Rossum sings and see how hot she is. It is not the best plot (sorta boring) but it is a wonderful musical (the Phantom was a bad singer, no doubt). Emma Rossum is something to remember though (her friend wasn't that bad looking either) but her smile and face made the movie watchable and entertaining.
post #72 of 98
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Originally Posted by HD-DVDwonder View Post

PQ looked soft to my eyes. I also didn't like how they used only one refrain or melody; kinda gets old, great audio though but not really 'immersive' as most of it was singing.

Well, I'm not going to knock your opinion, but the PQ on this disc absolutely set the tone for HD DVDs to follow - incredibly sharp, brilliant, almost unreal colors and smooth china texture skin tones.

Again the movie is not everyone's cup of tea, but t was a fantastic presentation of the film.

As for the audio, the TruHD track is radically more open than the DD+ tracks. Not only could you "sense" the surroundings about you, but in the singing, Emma Rossum's voice often had a slight high-pitched "attack" on some notes, that just jumped out and shag-piled the hair on your back
post #73 of 98
The only Phantom of the Opera that exists in my mind starred the man of a thousand faces...

post #74 of 98
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Originally Posted by rdjam View Post

Well, I'm not going to knock your opinion, but the PQ on this disc absolutely set the tone for HD DVDs to follow - incredibly sharp, brilliant, almost unreal colors and smooth china texture skin tones.

Again the movie is not everyone's cup of tea, but t was a fantastic presentation of the film.

As for the audio, the TruHD track is radically more open than the DD+ tracks. Not only could you "sense" the surroundings about you, but in the singing, Emma Rossum's voice often had a slight high-pitched "attack" on some notes, that just jumped out and shag-piled the hair on your back

I see, I've not re-watched this film since FW 2.0; will have to check it for the audio; imo Constantine really benefited from Tru-HD
post #75 of 98
I was under the impression the volume level error had been corrected in recent repressings, is this false?
post #76 of 98
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Originally Posted by Forceflow View Post

The TrueHD is amazing. You can hear how well Emma Rossum sings and see how hot she is. It is not the best plot (sorta boring) but it is a wonderful musical (the Phantom was a bad singer, no doubt). Emma Rossum is something to remember though (her friend wasn't that bad looking either) but her smile and face made the movie watchable and entertaining.

I'd rather see her friend (the British actress), now SHE is hot!
post #77 of 98
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Originally Posted by Ruined View Post

I was under the impression the volume level error had been corrected in recent repressings, is this false?

Maybe the Future Shop that I went to is still carrying the old batch. Any way of checking?

I would pick up a new one if I was assured that this issue was corrected. A serial number check or something...?
post #78 of 98
[quote=Kysersose]Maybe the Future Shop that I went to .../QUOTE]

Did you have any luck with FS taking a opened HD-DVD back, or how do you plan to get a refund?
post #79 of 98
I spoke to the manager and he happily exchanged it for Mi:III

No problem whatsoever.

Both King Kong and Mi:III sound very good on my setup. A tad bit lower than what I am used to, but not nearly to the extent of The Phantom. My NAD receiver just couldn't get that one loud enough without it hissing.
post #80 of 98
Decided to try Phantom anyhow, while I need to run at a much higher volume level, the sound and image is wonderful well worth the cost and a decent price at Walmart too.
post #81 of 98
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Originally Posted by JackLT View Post

Decided to try Phantom anyhow, while I need to run at a much higher volume level, the sound and image is wonderful well worth the cost and a decent price at Walmart too.

I'm glad that it works well for you. With my setup it just couldn't work. I had to set my receiver to the maximum volume level it would allow, and it still wasn't loud enough. Introduced a lot of hissing though...

First movie ever to do that.

Apparently it has been fixed in newer batches. I have to turn up my receiver a "bit" for all HD DVD's, so maybe you got one from the new batch?

I wish I could tell the new batch from the old...
post #82 of 98
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Originally Posted by mpalmieri1203 View Post

No offense, but have you ever seen a musical before? This is pretty faithful in most respects to the Broadway musical. This is not an opera. The purpose of the musical is for people to sing and danve and what not. Might not be up your alley but that's the purpose. And I think it sounds AMAZING. Many of the musicals fans(and there are a ton) would have been quite upset I would imagine if a majority of these musical numbers were excised from the film....and man is Emmy gorgeous or what?

Emmy was only 17 when filming that too -- there is no way I believe Christine and Raoul grew up together -- he was way older.

As for voice, Emmy by far has the best voice of them all (although the diva was voiced by a true opera singer, and hilariously played by Minnie Driver). The phantom had a poor voice -- a theatre voice but not a trained classical voice.

Our whole family loved this movie -- even kids.
post #83 of 98
Can anyone confirm there is a new batch of this DVD out with a better audio level? I think this is just a rumor.
post #84 of 98
i just bought this disk.

the picture is beautiful. the lead actress is beatiful to see and hear.

i cannot recommend this disk to anyone except as a rental. IMHO the audio is broken and i can't really fix it. i spent a couple of hours playing with audio settings.

i bought the disk for the trueHD audio but i cannot really use it.

the receiver i have has an input trim feature but is does not apply to the 5.1 analog inputs. so, i have to crank up the volume to the point that there is a constant hiss otherwise the quiet sections are too quite to understand vocals.

the best i can do is set to true hd and use the digital connection where i can apply the +6db trim. i still have to crank up and additional 10 to 12db to enjoy the film.

firmware 2.0 on the a1 really made the audio work well on all my disks except this one. i think my only fix for this will be a new receiver with hdmi audio for tureHD.
post #85 of 98
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Originally Posted by Dr Kain View Post

I just saw The Phantom of the Opera that came out last year, and it was average, very average. It had a few cool scenes in it, and the music at the beginning of the movie was really awesome, but other than that, this movie was boring. I know it is based on the opera, but there was just way too much singing that was not needed, ESPECIALLY in the graveyard as that whole scene was long, drawn out, and pointless. I wanted to see a movie, not the opera put onto a DVD.

However, I thought the set designs were fantastic, and the masquerade scene were awesome. The ending was a bit weak, and having the Phantom look like a wannabe John Travolta didn't help matters. Heck, if I looked like JT, I'd want to cover my face as well.

Overall, I give it 2.5/5 stars for the stuff it did good in. I just hope that if someone else makes this into a movie, we get an actual movie rather than the opera filmed.

As for the HD-DVD itself, holy crap. I read everyone say that the audio was too low, but holy crap, this disc makes Constantine seem like Chronicles of Riddick in the audio department. I had my receiver turned up to full volume (level 73), and it still was not enough to hear their whispers.



This supposed to be a musical but I thought the guy who played the Phantom could not sing to save his life... geez, what a lousy voice!!
post #86 of 98
I bought this disc for its reference quality picture and audio. I'm not big on musicals--they disturbed me as a child in the Fifties (enormous dance numbers, couldn't figure how all those people got on a stage, etc.). South Park's "Bigger Longer and Uncut" does a pretty good riff on the genre. I found some of the music in "Phantom" to be almost rockish. Even the Marx Brothers' "Night at the Opera" managed to give us a little sample of real opera.

My biggest problem with this disc was using the song "Think of Me" as a demo one time too many...and then not being able to get the damned thing out of my head for hours on end!
post #87 of 98
[quote=Dr Kain]I just saw The Phantom of the Opera that came out last year, and it was average, very average. It had a few cool scenes in it, and the music at the beginning of the movie was really awesome, but other than that, this movie was boring. I know it is based on the opera, but there was just way too much singing that was not needed, ESPECIALLY in the graveyard as that whole scene was long, drawn out, and pointless. I wanted to see a movie, not the opera put onto a DVD.

Overall, I give it 2.5/5 stars for the stuff it did good in. I just hope that if someone else makes this into a movie, we get an actual movie rather than the opera filmed.


Some comments are better left un-answered.
post #88 of 98
Just bought a copy at Target, low volume issue still!

I emailed Warner Bros asking if a repressing is available, we'll see.
post #89 of 98
First of all I still hate the title of this thread, but its content applies to my question. Has Warner Bros. released a new version of this HD-DVD with the low audio problem fixed? My Denon is maxed out at +4 with hiss and still isn't loud enough. I've read that similar problems with The Last Samurai have been fixed on recent discs.

Mark

BTW, this is not a bad movie and the sound isn't bad, it's just too quiet on this disc.
post #90 of 98
I have an idea. I am going to try to buy one directly from Warners web-site. I will let you know if they fixed the audio issue.
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