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post #241 of 1136
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Originally Posted by zbrett View Post

I just canceled my order as well. It has been two weeks and nada. If I don't see a refund on my Amex card in the next two days, I'm going to dispute the charge. Time to start looking for alternatives...

While this is NOT a high quality option, I have been using my Ipod connected via a wall dock with analog outputs to my A/V Receiver. I put everything on my IPod using FLAC, but the obvious weakness is the analog outputs.

Considering the IPod can now be purchased for under $400 and 160 GB, the Opus only advantage is it's DAC and digital output. If someone could find a digital output for the IPod, then once IPods come out with 500 GB capacity (probably in less than two years) then the Olive products lose their luster.
post #242 of 1136
Both my PC and my HP MV2020 (running Twonky) function as music servers, making the storage on the Olive somewhat redundant. I was willing to buy it anyway for the bargain price just to play with it, but I'm tired of waiting. I'll probably go with the Slim Devices Squeezebox, and run the SlimServer on my primary PC that is on all the time I'm home anyway. I may end up re-ripping all my CDs to FLAC (I'll have to see how ALAC sounds first), but I was going to have to do that with the Olive anyway. I'd really like to buy the Slim Devices Transporter, but $2000 is overkill when compared to the components of my somewhat modest 2-channel "listening" system.

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Originally Posted by SimpleTheater View Post

While this is NOT a high quality option, I have been using my Ipod connected via a wall dock with analog outputs to my A/V Receiver. I put everything on my IPod using FLAC, but the obvious weakness is the analog outputs.

Considering the IPod can now be purchased for under $400 and 160 GB, the Opus only advantage is it's DAC and digital output. If someone could find a digital output for the IPod, then once IPods come out with 500 GB capacity (probably in less than two years) then the Olive products lose their luster.
post #243 of 1136
If I may ask...

How long did it take you to get the refund on your Amex?

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by xvimbi View Post

Those are deal breakers for me, and are precisely the reasons why I in the end decided to cancel my order.

Best - MM
post #244 of 1136
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Originally Posted by SimpleTheater View Post

While this is NOT a high quality option, I have been using my Ipod connected via a wall dock with analog outputs to my A/V Receiver. I put everything on my IPod using FLAC, but the obvious weakness is the analog outputs.

Considering the IPod can now be purchased for under $400 and 160 GB, the Opus only advantage is it's DAC and digital output. If someone could find a digital output for the IPod, then once IPods come out with 500 GB capacity (probably in less than two years) then the Olive products lose their luster.

I'm using MacMini connected to my receiver via optical cable. I can't tell the difference between CD and lossless file coming from the MacMini. Not the best solution but acceptable for me.
post #245 of 1136
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Originally Posted by zbrett View Post

If I may ask...

How long did it take you to get the refund on your Amex?

Thanks.

Funny you should ask. I notified Olive over a week ago that I decided to cancel, but haven't seen any refund yet. I sent an email yesterday and was assured that my refund request had been forwarded to AmEx and that they should have refunded my $$$ by now. I just looked, and there was no refund yet. I'll give it until next week...

Best - MM
post #246 of 1136
I would suggest you call the Amex wishlist number directly and let them know. Truth be told, I called both Amex and Olive to make sure the refund wouldn't linger, and it sounds like Amex will process the refund in two days.

1-800-824-3327

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Originally Posted by xvimbi View Post

Funny you should ask. I notified Olive over a week ago that I decided to cancel, but haven't seen any refund yet. I sent an email yesterday and was assured that my refund request had been forwarded to AmEx and that they should have refunded my $$$ by now. I just looked, and there was no refund yet. I'll give it until next week...

Best - MM
post #247 of 1136
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Originally Posted by SimpleSetup View Post

I'm using MacMini connected to my receiver via optical cable. I can't tell the difference between CD and lossless file coming from the MacMini. Not the best solution but acceptable for me.

That is what I have decided upon. No wonder you can't tell the difference between CD and Apple Lossless, because there is no difference (I'm sure someone will jump up and dispute this statement...).

Now, whether the Mac Mini is a good transporter, that is a different question. However, for me, it is definitely more than sufficient. The combination of a Mini with a Time Capsule (or similar) sounds like an awfully nice solution for playing music through a stereo system and also streaming music (at least to one client) and serving video, etc.

Sorry for temporarily hijacking this thread.

Best - MM
post #248 of 1136
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Originally Posted by zbrett View Post

I would suggest you call the Amex wishlist number directly and let them know. Truth be told, I called both Amex and Olive to make sure the refund wouldn't linger, and it sounds like Amex will process the refund in two days.

1-800-824-3327

Thanks.

Best - MM
post #249 of 1136
Thread Starter 
Guys,

I was just browsing the Olive web site and it seems that the only option to upgrade firmware is via CD. At least I could not find where they indicate you can do it directly via the internet. It used to be that you could just do it directly from the internet to your Olive.

Am I wrong? I hope so. That would be a large step backward and I can't imagine why they would do something that retrograde.

Also seems a bit disappointing that the latest FW update was over a year ago. I was hoping at least they would improve the Rondo interface. Frankly I can't remember but it seems to me that there were FW upgrades more recent but the last one listed on the web site is January 2007.
post #250 of 1136
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Originally Posted by Jack D View Post

Guys,

I was just browsing the Olive web site and it seems that the only option to upgrade firmware is via CD. At least I could not find where they indicate you can do it directly via the internet. It used to be that you could just do it directly from the internet to your Olive.

Am I wrong? I hope so. That would be a large step backward and I can't imagine why they would do something that retrograde.

Also seems a bit disappointing that the latest FW update was over a year ago. I was hoping at least they would improve the Rondo interface. Frankly I can't remember but it seems to me that there were FW upgrades more recent but the last one listed on the web site is January 2007.

Jack, go to Settings & Specials > Olive Music Information > Software Update on the Opus user interface. Chances are there are no new updates, but AFAIK you can still do it via your Internet connection.
post #251 of 1136
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Originally Posted by SimpleSetup View Post

I'm using MacMini connected to my receiver via optical cable. I can't tell the difference between CD and lossless file coming from the MacMini. Not the best solution but acceptable for me.

What product are you using that has the opitical cable? If it's digital all the way to the receiver then your lossless files will sound exactly the same since optical has enough bandwidth to carry the complete signal.
post #252 of 1136
I've been on the fence for one of these for over a year now... someone please push me over!

I would get the N3 250g and had a few questions....

What format should I store them at? I have about 200 CD's and out of those about 60% would only be good for about 1 or 2 tracks. I would certainly have enough room for uncompressed (it will hold over 400) and quite frankly, I dont see me doubling my collection. I also have an 8g Ipod that I would want to connect to it. Im fine with the uncompressed on the Ipod also.

I would also be interested in the Rondo.... do I have to have a computer on to use that? Is there a universal remote that can do the job of the Rondo?

I would like to stream the Olive to an upstairs stereo. I don't see that device on their website that lets you do that anymore?

I would love to buy single tracks to download, but nobody sells lossless/uncompressed... will this ever change?

And my final and biggest concern is future proof...
Will the new Blu ray format open the doors to higher resolution audio (never got into SACD so I dont know if that was comparable)????
I certainly don't see CD's being replaced with Blu ray music as they are already being replaced with downloads, but will downloaded music eventually be able to be Master quality and will the Olive be able to handle it?

Thanks!
post #253 of 1136
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Originally Posted by SimpleTheater View Post

While this is NOT a high quality option, I have been using my Ipod connected via a wall dock with analog outputs to my A/V Receiver. I put everything on my IPod using FLAC, but the obvious weakness is the analog outputs.

Considering the IPod can now be purchased for under $400 and 160 GB, the Opus only advantage is it's DAC and digital output. If someone could find a digital output for the IPod, then once IPods come out with 500 GB capacity (probably in less than two years) then the Olive products lose their luster.

Can you tell us what kind of custom-made iPod you are using that decodes FLAC? (or do you mean "Apple Lossless", not FLAC?

More seriously: the iPod does have a digital output of sorts, through USB (when I connect my iPod to the USB port on my Opus, I can play whatever is on it in compatible formats, meaning that WAV or lossy MP3 or AAC files can be played, but not Apple Lossless). Now, obviously, you would not buy an Opus just to play what is on your iPod. Another way of playing the contents of your iPod using a digital output would be to play your i?Tunes library throug Apple's Airport Express, whose analog output jack doubles as a digital output......
post #254 of 1136
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Originally Posted by shamus View Post

I've been on the fence for one of these for over a year now... someone please push me over!

I would get the N3 250g and had a few questions....

What format should I store them at? I have about 200 CD's and out of those about 60% would only be good for about 1 or 2 tracks. I would certainly have enough room for uncompressed (it will hold over 400) and quite frankly, I dont see me doubling my collection. I also have an 8g Ipod that I would want to connect to it. Im fine with the uncompressed on the Ipod also.

I would also be interested in the Rondo.... do I have to have a computer on to use that? Is there a universal remote that can do the job of the Rondo?

I would like to stream the Olive to an upstairs stereo. I don't see that device on their website that lets you do that anymore?

I would love to buy single tracks to download, but nobody sells lossless/uncompressed... will this ever change?

And my final and biggest concern is future proof...
Will the new Blu ray format open the doors to higher resolution audio (never got into SACD so I dont know if that was comparable)????
I certainly don't see CD's being replaced with Blu ray music as they are already being replaced with downloads, but will downloaded music eventually be able to be Master quality and will the Olive be able to handle it?

Thanks!

Nobody wants to push me??????
post #255 of 1136
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Originally Posted by shamus View Post

I've been on the fence for one of these for over a year now... someone please push me over!

I would get the N3 250g and had a few questions....

What format should I store them at? I have about 200 CD's and out of those about 60% would only be good for about 1 or 2 tracks. I would certainly have enough room for uncompressed (it will hold over 400) and quite frankly, I dont see me doubling my collection. I also have an 8g Ipod that I would want to connect to it. Im fine with the uncompressed on the Ipod also.

I would also be interested in the Rondo.... do I have to have a computer on to use that? Is there a universal remote that can do the job of the Rondo?

I would like to stream the Olive to an upstairs stereo. I don't see that device on their website that lets you do that anymore?

I would love to buy single tracks to download, but nobody sells lossless/uncompressed... will this ever change?

And my final and biggest concern is future proof...
Will the new Blu ray format open the doors to higher resolution audio (never got into SACD so I dont know if that was comparable)????
I certainly don't see CD's being replaced with Blu ray music as they are already being replaced with downloads, but will downloaded music eventually be able to be Master quality and will the Olive be able to handle it?

Thanks!

Hi Shamas,

As a very early adopter of the Opus, I may be able to help somewhat.

!. Storage forma
t: if you are sure that your collection will not grow 250 CDs, WAV is probably best for compatibility, including compatibility with the iPod (Opus does not decode Apples Lossless, and iPod does not decode FLAC). Just remember that your 8 GB iPod will hold only some 12 hours of music in WAV (not a problem if you change your iPod library pretty often).

2, Streaming to a second location
: It looks like Olive stopped marketing its "player" device. However, the Opus is UpNp compliant, meaning that any UpNp-compliant "client" device on the same network should recognize it and play its library (Roku, Squeezebox and other clients are UpNp-compliant). I have not tried any of them, but I have installed the server software that powers the Squeezbox (Slim Server) and the Opus is duly recognized on my PC, and vice-versa). In any event, Olive should be able to advise on compatible clients.

3. Rondo: the Rondo is not an Olive hardware product, just the name they gave to their Web interface that functions as a remote control and as a tag editor. That interface is accessible from any device that has a Web browser, be it a PC, a WiFi phone or a Web tablet such as the Nokia N-810 (the "Rondo" device p[ictured on Olive's Web site is the Nokia N-770, an older version of the 810). I use the N-770, which is OK as a remote (navigating the library and controlling playback), but not very convenient for tag editing, which is more comfortably done on a PC. If you do not have a large classical library, tag editing is not something that you will have to do much anyway. But the Nolias are just one option among many: you could use an iPhone, an iPod Touch, or for a bigger tluch screen, one of Archos' WiFi-enabled video players (their 705 model has a 7" screen, while the Nokia N-810 has a 4.3" screen). BTW, the Nokia is Up
Np-compliant and can stream the contents of the library on an Opus, though its output (thru headphone jack) is probably not of very good quality!).

4. Lossless downloads
: yeah, why does no mainstream music store offer lossless? Actually, there is at least one that does: Music Giants is offering full-resolution downloads and even planing to offer resolutions higher than "Red Book: CDs. For classical music, Naim Audio is also offerin hi-rez file downloads. Olive has actually started a partnership with Music Giants, although for the time being they offer only "packaged" compilations rather than individual tracks or albums.

5. Future-proof?
: The Opus is currently limited ot CD resolution, and in view of uncertainty about the future of higher resolution formats, including those specified in the BluRay standard, I do not see how Olive could make its players future-proof. What may happen if their relationship with Music Giants develops is sthat they might at some point upgrade their DAC to decode high resolution files (24 bits/192 khz sampling rate).

Hopr that helps...

MG
post #256 of 1136
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Originally Posted by DIGINOTE View Post

Hi Shamas,

As a very early adopter of the Opus, I may be able to help somewhat.

!. Storage forma
t: if you are sure that your collection will not grow 250 CDs, WAV is probably best for compatibility, including compatibility with the iPod (Opus does not decode Apples Lossless, and iPod does not decode FLAC). Just remember that your 8 GB iPod will hold only some 12 hours of music in WAV (not a problem if you change your iPod library pretty often).

2, Streaming to a second location
: It looks like Olive stopped marketing its "player" device. However, the Opus is UpNp compliant, meaning that any UpNp-compliant "client" device on the same network should recognize it and play its library (Roku, Squeezebox and other clients are UpNp-compliant). I have not tried any of them, but I have installed the server software that powers the Squeezbox (Slim Server) and the Opus is duly recognized on my PC, and vice-versa). In any event, Olive should be able to advise on compatible clients.

3. Rondo: the Rondo is not an Olive hardware product, just the name they gave to their Web interface that functions as a remote control and as a tag editor. That interface is accessible from any device that has a Web browser, be it a PC, a WiFi phone or a Web tablet such as the Nokia N-810 (the "Rondo" device p[ictured on Olive's Web site is the Nokia N-770, an older version of the 810). I use the N-770, which is OK as a remote (navigating the library and controlling playback), but not very convenient for tag editing, which is more comfortably done on a PC. If you do not have a large classical library, tag editing is not something that you will have to do much anyway. But the Nolias are just one option among many: you could use an iPhone, an iPod Touch, or for a bigger tluch screen, one of Archos' WiFi-enabled video players (their 705 model has a 7" screen, while the Nokia N-810 has a 4.3" screen). BTW, the Nokia is Up
Np-compliant and can stream the contents of the library on an Opus, though its output (thru headphone jack) is probably not of very good quality!).

4. Lossless downloads
: yeah, why does no mainstream music store offer lossless? Actually, there is at least one that does: Music Giants is offering full-resolution downloads and even planing to offer resolutions higher than "Red Book: CDs. For classical music, Naim Audio is also offerin hi-rez file downloads. Olive has actually started a partnership with Music Giants, although for the time being they offer only "packaged" compilations rather than individual tracks or albums.

5. Future-proof?
: The Opus is currently limited ot CD resolution, and in view of uncertainty about the future of higher resolution formats, including those specified in the BluRay standard, I do not see how Olive could make its players future-proof. What may happen if their relationship with Music Giants develops is sthat they might at some point upgrade their DAC to decode high resolution files (24 bits/192 khz sampling rate).

Hopr that helps...

MG

Thanks DIGINOTE!
Couple more questions regarding your answers...
1)AIFF or WAV? If I understand, the opus rips in one of these formats and than converts it to your choice. What is the orignal rip?
3)Does my computer have to be on in order to use the Rondo with the Opus?
post #257 of 1136
Thread Starter 
Just an FYI: for those of you using the N800 to control your Olive there is a new software out (OS2008) that is worth installing. It's pretty easy to install and it increases the clock speed from 330mhz to 400mhz. It's a nice upgrade--especially the additional speed.

As someone alluded to there is also a new Nokia (N810) that has the same CPU but a hardware keyboard and GPU. Doesn't seem worth the upgrade just for use with an Olive.
post #258 of 1136
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Blindamood View Post

Jack, go to Settings & Specials > Olive Music Information > Software Update on the Opus user interface. Chances are there are no new updates, but AFAIK you can still do it via your Internet connection.

At one point I recall that Olive indicated that the internet update feature was disabled and since they do not mention it on their web site I was thinking that it is still is. I'm not sure how to check since, as you mention, there doesn't seem to be any new firmware to download.
post #259 of 1136
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by shamus View Post

Thanks DIGINOTE!
Couple more questions regarding your answers...
1)AIFF or WAV? If I understand, the opus rips in one of these formats and than converts it to your choice. What is the orignal rip?
3)Does my computer have to be on in order to use the Rondo with the Opus?

I'm not sure it makes a difference which format as long as it is lossless. The Opus can rip in various formats including AIFF and FLAC. You might want to take a look at the manual at the Olive site for more details.

No your computer does not have to be on but you have to have a wireless network set up in your house to use the RONDO.
post #260 of 1136
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Originally Posted by Jack D View Post

I'm not sure it makes a difference which format as long as it is lossless. The Opus can rip in various formats including AIFF and FLAC. You might want to take a look at the manual at the Olive site for more details.

No your computer does not have to be on but you have to have a wireless network set up in your house to use the RONDO.

Thanks Jack!

According to the manual, the Opus originally rips to an uncompressed format and than encodes to your codec of choice. What is the original rip? (AIFF or WAV)
post #261 of 1136
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Originally Posted by DIGINOTE View Post

Can you tell us what kind of custom-made iPod you are using that decodes FLAC? (or do you mean "Apple Lossless", not FLAC?

You are correct - Apple Lossless. I was just using FLAC as a generic term for lossless.
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Originally Posted by DIGINOTE View Post

More seriously: the iPod does have a digital output of sorts, through USB (when I connect my iPod to the USB port on my Opus, I can play whatever is on it in compatible formats, meaning that WAV or lossy MP3 or AAC files can be played, but not Apple Lossless). Now, obviously, you would not buy an Opus just to play what is on your iPod. Another way of playing the contents of your iPod using a digital output would be to play your i?Tunes library throug Apple's Airport Express, whose analog output jack doubles as a digital output......

What I currently have is an IPod Wall dock with analog outputs. I like the wall dock because I can drop the IPod in as soon as I enter the room, then sit down and use the remote to play, pause and skip songs (that's about ALL the remote will do). If there were a digital wall dock I'd get it today and that's what I'm looking for.
post #262 of 1136
Got a Slim Devices Squeezebox yesterday ($300) and set it up using the new version 7 of the SlimServer software (still in beta, but I haven't seen any issues yet). I have the Squeezebox connected via analog inputs to a Cambridge Audio 540R v2 running in straight 2 channel stereo (no processing, no sub), driving a pair of B&W 683s. I've only streamed some high bit rate ACC and MP3 files, but so far I'm pretty impressed. The Squeezebox has a Burr Brown DAC, which sounds better than the Cirrus Logic DAC in the 540R. I'll have time to rip some CDs to lossless format this weekend and do some real comparisons.

As far as the Olive Opus, I'm still waiting on the Amex refund. Grrrrr. While I grant you I don't have an Opus to do any A-B sound comparisons between that and the Squeezbox, I think the Squeezebox more than equals the Opus in functionality since I already have a ton of disk space available on my network, a reasonably fast PC, a house wired with Cat5, and if I should run out of disk storage space, adding something like a 750GB drive only costs around $150. Plus if you look around, there is a huge fan base for the Squeezebox.

Anyway, it is worth a look...
post #263 of 1136
So is anybody besides me still getting an Olive product, and do you have it yet? I'm very close to packing it in, I have heard several times that it is going to ship this week. . . but nothing yet.
post #264 of 1136
It has been two weeks since I asked for a refund on the Olive Opus, and still nothing. American Express assured me I would receive my refund before my next billing period, which is in a couple days. So the wish list for me has turned into floating cash for Amex for over two months... Not good.

Meanwhile, I ripped some CDs to Flac and listened to them through the Squeezebox over last weekend. I'm very impressed. I can't hear any difference when I A-B against the FLAC and the CD through a digital connection. I can hear an even bigger difference between the DAC in the Squeezebox and the DAC in the 540R.

Good luck on getting your Opus. Please post here when you get it and let us know your impressions.
post #265 of 1136
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Originally Posted by zbrett View Post

It has been two weeks since I asked for a refund on the Olive Opus, and still nothing. American Express assured me I would receive my refund before my next billing period, which is in a couple days. So the wish list for me has turned into floating cash for Amex for over two months... Not good.

I also haven't received my refund yet. Over a week ago, AmEx actually told me I needed to contact Olive as the refund will have to come from them, because they have the money. After nothing happened for a while, I finally just contacted Oliver Bergmann directly, who told me he would look into things and also that they are having a conference call with AmEx later in the day. My patience is running out!

Best - MM
post #266 of 1136
I decided to send another e-mail to Olive to see what was up. This time I cc'd every e-mail available on their site. I think it worked as I received my preload e-mail today.
post #267 of 1136
At this point I think it is just a bunch of lip service. It has been over two weeks since I was promised a refund in 3-5 days, and 2 months since I paid for the unit. I'm disputing the charge with Amex, and I sent a note to Olive letting them know that this has been a mess from the very start, and I'm not letting it linger any more.


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Originally Posted by xvimbi View Post

I also haven't received my refund yet. Over a week ago, AmEx actually told me I needed to contact Olive as the refund will have to come from them, because they have the money. After nothing happened for a while, I finally just contacted Oliver Bergmann directly, who told me he would look into things and also that they are having a conference call with AmEx later in the day. My patience is running out!

Best - MM
post #268 of 1136
Well they have shipped the OPUS today and I have the tracking number! Now I guess the wait is only another day or two. . .
post #269 of 1136
That's Great! I'm sending out my cd's tomorrow for the preload. I will keep you informed.
post #270 of 1136
Ok looks like it will be delivered on Friday, so I'll have the weekend to check it out and see how it goes. I'll keep ya posted.
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