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post #241 of 346
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apexmi TAKE OFF YOUR SUNGLASSES!!!!
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apexmi TAKE OFF YOUR SUNGLASSES!!!!


Sorry, but I see very little difference in your shots side by side.... The little macroblocking can even be picked up in OTA full bit rate CBS broadcasts if you look for it... I use CBS as they require their affaliates to run full bit rate
post #243 of 346
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Check out post #97 War of the Worlds screencaps.

Try downloading two pix of the same scene to your hard drive. Make a new folder put it there, open it then with Windows Picture viewer (its default viewer), use the arrow button to flip bewtween them.
post #244 of 346
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Check out post #97 War of the Worlds screencaps.

Try downloading two pix of the same scene to your hard drive. Make a new folder put it there, open it then with Windows Picture viewer (its default viewer), use the arrow button to flip bewtween them.


I did and as I already stated there is "very little" there is some but not anything significant
post #245 of 346
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Check out post #97 War of the Worlds screencaps.

Try downloading two pix of the same scene to your hard drive. Make a new folder put it there, open it then with Windows Picture viewer (its default viewer), use the arrow button to flip bewtween them.

Xylon,

How big is your screen? The reason I ask is because if you have a 100-120" screen the macroblocking will be very distracting as compared to say my 57" CRT becuase the size of the distortion goes up with the screen size....
post #246 of 346
YIKES, I can easily see the differences in the pictures; if APEXMI has a hard time seeing it he must have WAY too much sugar in his diet because it's affecting his vision.
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YIKES, I can easily see the differences in the pictures; if APEXMI has a hard time seeing it he must have WAY too much sugar in his diet because it's affecting his vision.

Ahh. That's why my contact precription is higher this year!
post #248 of 346
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Xylon,

How big is your screen? The reason I ask is because if you have a 100-120" screen the macroblocking will be very distracting as compared to say my 57" CRT becuase the size of the distortion goes up with the screen size....

Its true the bigger the screen the more obvious you will see the macroblocking. But thats not true all the time because if you watch this on your desktop monitor you will still see the problem.

I have a 92" screen with AE900, and other sets.
post #249 of 346
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I use CBS as they require their affaliates to run full bit rate

errr, wrong.

And speak of talking out of both sides of your azz....

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post9252566

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I remember when I first got D* in '96 the picture was stunning but as the compression has gone up as well as the screen size picture for 95% of the channels is now crap. Weekends even the HD is crap with ST on as they rape all the bandwidth they can... :mad


Hey apexmi:

Maybe you should just enjoy some HD programming instead of dissecting every frickin' detail, as you just have wayyyyyyyyyy too much free time on your hands.......
post #250 of 346
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errr, wrong.

And speak of talking out of both sides of your azz....

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post9252566




Hey apexmi:

Maybe you should just enjoy some HD programming instead of dissecting every frickin' detail, as you just have wayyyyyyyyyy too much free time on your hands.......

I will try to locate where I did read that CBS requires it's affiliates to run full, or minimum required bit rates.. this is why very few CBS stations multicast....

Actually I was not debating crap quality here but the fact that there is very little difference between the crap from D* or E* images.

Hey HDTVFanAtic,


Did you go search my posts to find the slightest contradiction........... And I do have a lot of free time as I sell very effectively when I'm in work mode thus giving me PLENTY of down time to come in here and rag on your a$$


Anyway Happy Holidays to all....If that offends you too bad.......
post #251 of 346
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I will try to locate where I did read that CBS requires it's affiliates to run full, or minimum required bit rates.. this is why very few CBS stations multicast....

Actually I was not debating crap quality here but the fact that there is very little difference between the crap from D* or E* images.

Hey HDTVFanAtic,


Did you go search my posts to find the slightest contradiction........... And I do have a lot of free time as I sell very effectively when I'm in work mode thus giving me PLENTY of down time to come in here and rag on your a$$


Anyway Happy Holidays to all....If that offends you too bad.......

Used car salesman preying on the uninformed????

Actually, I did not need to search as I had posted in that thread and yesterday I said, hmmm.....here's a D* sub that gets it when you posted. Today you do a 180 forgetting what you said yesterday and I think "Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde".
post #252 of 346
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Used car salesman preying on the uninformed????

Actually, I did not need to search as I had posted in that thread and yesterday I said, hmmm.....here's a D* sub that gets it when you posted. Today you do a 180 forgetting what you said yesterday and I think "Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde".

Actually I Design & sell Custom Commercial & Residential Awnings. Like these. Awnings

I do get the lack of quality issues. It was more of a D* vs E* opinion here and I still say I don't see much of a difference with either. I like quality too but these are still the best choices currently available to most of us.

Have a good one...

Bob
post #253 of 346
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Used car salesman preying on the uninformed????

I had to assist in the decision to get rid of one of our reps a couple years ago he was charging little old ladies double our list prices.... $ 850 for products that should be $300-$400 as an example. I can't stand dishonest salesmen it gives us all the Used car stigma.....
post #254 of 346
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Actually I Design & sell Custom Commercial & Residential Awnings. Like these. Awnings

Damn...I was close....not used car salesman....a door to door salesman selling to the elderly.
post #255 of 346
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Damn...I was close....not used car salesman....a door to door salesman selling to the elderly.


I'll pass on the door to door..... been there done that no thanks........haven't had to straight up cold call in a long time now if your storefront has a shabby lookin awning I may come your way to sign ya up for a replacement...
post #256 of 346
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.... this is why very few CBS stations multicast....

4 out of the 5 OTA CBS affiliates I am able to receive multicast.
post #257 of 346
I didn't read through all 9 pages but this reminds me of some past discussions about cable modems vs. DSL. At the time all I had available to me was dial up going through a repeater that filtered out all the v90 compression. The best I could do was 1200 bps.

For me, and a lot of other people, the only choice for CBS is SD D* or analog OTA SD. Both are equally bad.

To me, a digital picture void of macroblocking and all the assorted noise and compression artifacts would be a major improvement at any resolution.
post #258 of 346
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To me, a digital picture void of macroblocking and all the assorted noise and compression artifacts would be a major improvement at any resolution.

Some MPEG4 movies are being shown in Europe now with no artifacts and no macroblocking. Hard to believe they are having this PQ while we, the first adopter get f******.
post #259 of 346
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Some MPEG4 movies are being shown in Europe now with no artifacts and no macroblocking. Hard to believe they are having this PQ while we, the first adopter get f******.

no joke man.

I guess they're using DVB out there, and that allows for h.264, which is a lot more efficient compared to mpeg-2. I would love to see an h.264 1080i flick at 15 mbps.
post #260 of 346
uhh the links to all the pictures are dead and directv is soposed to have more salites ( maybe 2 more?) by next year and expecting to have 150 hd channels!!! and also theirs been rumors that directv wants to merge with echo star ( the father of dish) . as far as the 2 satlite and the merge im not 100 % sure HOWEVER on the 150 hd channels i AM i have a sample or a paper from directv themselvs
post #261 of 346
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uhh the links to all the pictures are dead and directv is soposed to have more salites ( maybe 2 more?) by next year and expecting to have 150 hd channels!!! and also theirs been rumors that directv wants to merge with echo star ( the father of dish) . as far as the 2 satlite and the merge im not 100 % sure HOWEVER on the 150 hd channels i AM i have a sample or a paper from directv themselvs

The links are down because my imagehosting site is updating their servers. More capacity and bandwidth,etc.
post #262 of 346
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directv is soposed to have more salites ( maybe 2 more?) by next year and expecting to have 150 hd channels!!!

no, they're going to have the CAPACITY to broadcast 150 HD channels. of course, when you compress the snot out of it, that's not as big a deal as it sounds. now, that they have the capacity to broadcast 150 HD channels is irrelevant, as there are not 150 HD channels in existence. they could say 1000 HD channels and it still wouldn't change anything, that many don't exist.
post #263 of 346
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no joke man.

I guess they're using DVB out there, and that allows for h.264, which is a lot more efficient compared to mpeg-2. I would love to see an h.264 1080i flick at 15 mbps.


Then get E* they have Starz HD and soon will be switching all the channels. DVB-S2 is the only one that allows h.264 and that is exactly what D* uses on their h.264.
post #264 of 346
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Some MPEG4 movies are being shown in Europe now with no artifacts and no macroblocking. Hard to believe they are having this PQ while we, the first adopter get f******.

That is because they have few channels only. Plus they only have first generation h.264 encoders that suck and require as much bandwith as Mpeg2. E* just installed second generation h.264 on Starz HD and it looks great.
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please fix the pictures so we can see compare shots
post #266 of 346
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Pictures will go up next several days. Just takes a while.
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Robots

D* 6.10 gb AVB 9.00 Mbps

E* 6.73 gb AVB 10.00 Mbps


D*

E*


D*

E*
post #268 of 346
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The file hosting site went kaput. I lost almost every comparison screenshots I uploaded to them.

Give me feedback if these new hosting site is fast enough or giving you troubles.
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The above shots loaded much, much faster than the last one used. Instantaneous in fact.
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The file hosting site went kaput. I lost almost every comparison screenshots I uploaded to them.

Give me feedback if these new hosting site is fast enough or giving you troubles.

The shots from the imageshack linksloaded up really fast. The uploadingit links sat endlessly while loading.
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