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post #31 of 183
7/28/06 at 10:26am
I don't expect reference quality but I do expect it to be more than adequate, even more so for the average consumer.. Regardless I'm buying one ($599 HDMI 1.3 version) and some Blu-Ray moves ASAP :D

I'm also going to be upgrading to a HDMI 1.3 receiver when I can to go along with it :)

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post #32 of 183
7/28/06 at 10:31am
Again, not to be rude, but some of us are serious videophiles and some are not. We are on different levels when discussing picture quality. PS2 playback was embraced by many who didn't understand what good video is. there are still people connecting video devices via RCA cables. Like I said above video quality is subjective, hence why i listen to selct few when it comes to opinions ragrading video quality.
post #33 of 183
7/28/06 at 10:59am
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Originally Posted by Dolphc
Again, not to be rude, but some of us are serious videophiles and some are not. We are on different levels when discussing picture quality. PS2 playback was embraced by many who didn't understand what good video is. there are still people connecting video devices via RCA cables. Like I said above video quality is subjective, hence why i listen to selct few when it comes to opinions ragrading video quality.
I got your point a view/opinion the first few times in this thread, thanks :)
post #34 of 183
7/28/06 at 11:02am
The question is:

What videophile that doesn't play games is going to roll the dice...camp out with the gamers all night and hope that the PS3 is a compitent BD player?

Personally, I have seen the Sony BD demo at the HT Expo a couple months ago. I compared it to the Sammy playing the same demo. Simply, they both look the same. I have also seen BD movies on the Sammy and the Vaio (50 first dates, 5th Element). And I can honestly say that both movies looked good in cetain parts and horrible in certain parts.

My theory:

The Sammy is fine.

It is the software.

If BD doesn't improve their software then the PS3 could be the best thing since sliced bread and it won't matter.

Not one person on these forums that ISN'T a gamer will own a PS3 at launch.

So in conclusion it will be quite a while (March) until we see any truly believable reviews on video play back of the PS3. IMO, software: crap-in-crap-out.
post #35 of 183
7/28/06 at 11:03am
Sorry, but when the same point keeps getting brought up. somebody should clarify, no? Didn't mean to offend, but obviously did.
post #36 of 183
7/28/06 at 11:05am
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Originally Posted by briankmonkey
I got your point a view/opinion the first few times in this thread, thanks :)
And yet you repeat on a daily basis that you will be buying the PS3.

Please leave your judgements to the roadside. ;)
post #37 of 183
7/28/06 at 11:05am
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Originally Posted by Dolphc
Sorry, but when the same point keeps getting brought up. somebody should clarify, no? Didn't mean to offend, but obviously did.
FYI, I wasn't offended. Just letting you know I understood you opinion the first few times, rewording it wasn't needed. :)
post #38 of 183
7/28/06 at 11:06am
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Originally Posted by PhdWho
And yet you repeat on a daily basis that you will be buying the PS3.

Please leave your judgements to the roadside. ;)
I wasn't judging, try again ;)
post #39 of 183
7/28/06 at 11:07am
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Originally Posted by briankmonkey
I wasn't judging, try again ;)
Policing? Either way, you repeat quite often your PS3 intentions, daily, repeatedly.

Hypocrisy.
post #40 of 183
7/28/06 at 11:10am
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Originally Posted by BillP
I actually disagree with you there. The PS2 was well below average compared with a stand-alone DVD player (especially a comparably priced player).
You're being too kind. It was/is crap.

I even had several of my early gen DVD's burned and destroyed by its laser.

I was very happy when the day came along and I was able to get away from that thing as my DVD player. It couldn't have come fast enough.


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Originally Posted by PhdWho
Policing? Either way, you repeat quite often your PS3 intentions, daily, repeatedly.

Hypocrisy.

And you repeat your Blu-Ray and Sony bashing here constantly, daily, repeatedly.


Beyond wearisome. So narrow minded and biased, it's really sad. Not sure why you're still even here, quite honestly...
post #41 of 183
7/28/06 at 11:11am
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Originally Posted by PhdWho
Policing? Either way, you repeat quite often your PS3 intentions, daily, repeatedly.

Hypocrisy.
I'm not a mod, though they quite a good job considering what they have to deal with. Different topics ;) Yes, much information is regurgated in different topics :)
post #42 of 183
7/28/06 at 11:12am
Why do certain people repeatedly get bent out of shape over silly s*it? Brian, i do not need to be monitored regarding my posts. i am not violating any forum rules, hust rebutting what is either being discussed or seconding another posters comment that may or may not be related to something I said.

We all know how you long for the PS3 Brian, but we are having a discussion based in what facts we do know now, not a Sony Bash, so relax, huh?
post #43 of 183
7/28/06 at 11:13am
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Originally Posted by Dolphc
Again, not to be rude, but some of us are serious videophiles and some are not. We are on different levels when discussing picture quality. PS2 playback was embraced by many who didn't understand what good video is. there are still people connecting video devices via RCA cables.
I've got a few HD devices connected via RCA cables.
post #44 of 183
7/28/06 at 11:15am
What?
post #45 of 183
7/28/06 at 11:19am
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Originally Posted by Dolphc
Why do certain people repeatedly get bent out of shape over silly s*it? Brian, i do not need to be monitored regarding my posts. i am not violating any forum rules, hust rebutting what is either being discussed or seconding another posters comment that may or may not be related to something I said.

We all know how you long for the PS3 Brian, but we are having a discussion based in what facts we do know now, not a Sony Bash, so relax, huh?
I don't think anybody is bent out of shape Dolphc ;) Nobody is monitoring you either. If anything you misunderstood, I simply was stating that you made your opinion clear (that's a good thing) the first few times and that I understood it, I'd be suprised if somebody didn't get your opinion. Again, that's a good thing, not an attack :)

I'm quite relaxed, it's a gorgeous day and its Friday! I hope you are as well :cool:

As for th PS3, it's all speculation on to how well it will perform at this point. I'm sure we can agree on that.
post #46 of 183
7/28/06 at 11:19am
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Originally Posted by CPanther95
I've got a few HD devices connected via RCA cables.
Then you must be destroyed! ;)
post #47 of 183
7/28/06 at 11:22am
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Originally Posted by Tekka
Analysts have said that PS3 is 700 dolars to produce (the 600 dollar version), but I say 600 for this example (the retailers need to make profit too of lets say 200 dolars for this example?). Another Analyst said Sony will make a 200 dollar loss with every PS3.

So, Sony will sell their PS3's for a price of 400 dollars to the retailers in this example. Retailers sell it for 150% of the original price, which makes 600 dollars, to the consumers. Stores make a profit of 200 dollars in this example.

Sony anounced their BR players to be 1000 dollars in stores. Stores make alot of profit, Sony will make profit too, to every BR player sold.

Stores usually sell there products for at least 175% of the price they bought it. But for this example I will say 150%. So the stores buy a BR player for 670 dollars, 330 dollars profit for the stores. Sony will make at least 150 dollars profit per BR-player.

So 1000-330-150=520. The mafucture costs for Sony's (as well as Samsung's) BR players is 520 (probably less in real life). 520 includes, chipsets, the BR-player (cradle) itslelf, and the manhours/manpower.

Because the PS3 has different chipsets and processor compared to standalone BR players. The PS3 uses only one part of the BR players (not counting input, ouput) and that is the BR player itself (the cradle, which has the laser in it). So this cradle only will probably be 200 or 150 dollars or less.

Probably a little less because Sony produces their own DVD players (cradles) them selves (so they'll probably produce BR players themselves to). If you look inside some of the B-brand DVD players, you'll see a Sony logo on it.

So if the PS3 production cost is 600, and the BR player/cradle is 200 or 150, that leaves 400 dollars for the rest of the PS3. And the price for manhours/power for PS3 will be lower than a standalone BR-player, because there will be more PS3 units produced than a particular BR-player model. Usually it is, the more production of one product, the less the manpower/manhours price per product.

These BR cradles are all probably the same, it is on the chipsets (processor) if the BR player will be good quality, and I think the PS3's chipset will be much better than any other BR player that will come out in the first year of Blu-ray format (except for a few, like for instance the Pioneer Elite?).

What I am trying to say is:
The PS3 will take more money to produce than any other BR-player.
The PS3 will have better chipsets etc. to support the BR player (the cell and RSX).

Thats why I think the BR-player of Sony will have above average quality.
I know my writing is crap, sorry about that.

When the PS2 first came out, the DVD player quality was average, compared to standalone DVD player.
I think it will be the absolute average BR player.
Something that will allow you to start watching Blu-ray movies with the impression you have something visibly better than DVD.
No more, no less.

And there is no way stores will make more than a 10% profit per unit.
In fact, Sony may also (in addition) decide to sell directly to consumers, in order to squeeze some margin out of their distribution channels.
post #48 of 183
7/28/06 at 11:22am
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Originally Posted by CPanther95
I've got a few HD devices connected via RCA cables.
Me too, delivering quite excellent PQ as well :D
post #49 of 183
7/28/06 at 11:22am
Well Brian, I am glad that nobody took offense on either side. And you are certainly right about one thing, it is Friday and we can all enjoy the weekend. Sometimes the passion just gets the better of me, but seriously, nobody has anything connected via RCA, right?
post #50 of 183
7/28/06 at 11:25am
Anyone using component inputs is using RCA cables. Two of my systems are primarily component hookups.
post #51 of 183
7/28/06 at 11:28am
I know panther, it was a joke; i.e. read: funny. Ha-Ha-Ha.
post #52 of 183
7/28/06 at 11:28am
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Originally Posted by Dolphc
Well Brian, I am glad that nobody took offense on either side. And you are certainly right about one thing, it is Friday and we can all enjoy the weekend. Sometimes the passion just gets the better of me, but seriously, nobody has anything connected via RCA, right?
I was serious, I have my xbox360 connected via RCA as well as my upconverting DVD player (looks better than using DVI on my display), did have cable in the past as well.. All for HD signals :D

I see you were joking.. With text you can't always tell :cool:
post #53 of 183
7/28/06 at 11:31am
My oldest TV (Hitachi 57XWX) has DVI w/HDCP which I insisted on (and upgraded for) to insure that my purchase would be future-proof. :rolleyes:
post #54 of 183
7/28/06 at 11:31am
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Originally Posted by briankmonkey
I don't expect reference quality but I do expect it to be more than adequate, even more so for the average consumer.. Regardless I'm buying one ($599 HDMI 1.3 version) and some Blu-Ray moves ASAP :D

I'm also going to be upgrading to a HDMI 1.3 receiver when I can to go along with it :)
And as long as you can find the receiver for a decent price, I think it should make a pretty decent combo. I hate to see what the price of those first receivers are going to cost. I have the Toshiba and a Xbox 360 but I am not bashing Sony for trying to make money. More power to them if they succeed and too bad for me if I bought something that doesn't have a long lifespan. I'll use it as a secondary machine so it won't be a waste of money. I also owned a Colecovision, Turbographix-16, and Adam computer. :eek: I will be getting a Blu-ray player once they come down below $500 unless all studios announce for Hd-dvd (except Sony) and may end up with a ps3 when they become more available and drop a bit in price. That being said, I believe hd-dvd is more than enough for hd movies and I couldn't be more than happy with my purchase. All this bashing by both sides on these forums is just juvenile. Nothing wrong with a healthy discussion but we seemed to have passed that a long time ago.
As far as what these companies make in profit on each machine they sell. Nobody but the really high ups are going to know what incentives Sony will be offering stores to sell the ps3. There is more involved than the single profit on each machine. There is a lot of behind the door wrangling going on between the big retailers and Sony on getting the best deal. I use to work for a distributor of a certain product and even though we sold a certain highly desirable item for the same price to everybody, it didn't mean we didn't give away other items for free or at a discount to get prime retail space for our items. A store like Best Buy probably knows that the first group of buyers will only be there to get the ps3 and peripherals and when it is not there, they will simply hurry on to another store or go home disappointed. They will not be staying around to look at any other products (Xbox 360 or Wii). So in this case, they will need to have an incentive from Sony to push the ps3. And even though everyone here thinks the thing will sell itself (and of course, it will at first) Best Buy is not in business to give a manufacturer free floor space and free advertisement. Best Buy will want something in return. And they are negotiating that as we speak or all ready have. I imagine Sony's advertising budget is going to dwarf that $150 million the hd-dvd crowd has put together. They simply can not afford to fail. They are hyping this as two different machines. I say good luck and the sooner the price falls the sooner I will own one.
post #55 of 183
7/28/06 at 11:48am
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Originally Posted by Q of BanditZ

And you repeat your Blu-Ray and Sony bashing here constantly, daily, repeatedly.

Beyond wearisome. So narrow minded and biased, it's really sad. Not sure why you're still even here, quite honestly...
Narrow minded? You have already chose BluRay months before it was released, now that's narrow minded

All this from a guy who needed to constantly post the link to the Online Petition (that's funny in itself) to get all Studios to adopt BluRay and BluRay only on the HDDVD forums.

Got a link to that petition btw? Wanna see how it's doing. I may even sign it for giggles.
post #56 of 183
7/28/06 at 11:53am
Funny considering Q will have a HD-DVD player before a blu-ray player . Hint he already paid for an HD-DVD player ;)
post #57 of 183
7/28/06 at 11:54am
Yeah, it is quite funny.

But releasing a poor product will even change the minds of the most die hard of fanboys I guess.
post #58 of 183
7/28/06 at 11:58am
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Originally Posted by PhdWho
Yeah, it is quite funny.

But releasing a poor product will even change the minds of the most die hard of fanboys I guess.
yay more "fanboy" remarks :eek:
post #59 of 183
7/28/06 at 11:59am
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Originally Posted by briankmonkey
yay more "fanboy" remarks :eek:
That's all he's ever had is snide remarks and innuendo. Garbage.

Everything is Sony bashing or Blu-Ray bashing from him. Anyone that disagrees with his narrow view of reality is attacked. That's all he is and all he can do.


He's so biased and narrow minded and in his own little world, it's sad.

He needs to get off the Hateorade and come back to Earth.


See this for further reference: http://www.intellectualloafing.com/a...darguments.htm
^^ That's his entire history on AVS summed up quite nicely.

Why are people like that allowed to remain here? What does it take? Look at his post and thread history!


You wonder what he's like if he doesn't have the safety of hiding behind a mouse and a keyboard...yeah, I'll bet that'd be good for a laugh.


What's really going to drive small minded people like him nuts is the fact that I'm still going to be buying Blu-Ray come either October with a standalone player and/or in November with a PS3.

Deal with it.
post #60 of 183
7/28/06 at 12:07pm
you have quite a few issues Q.

scary

btw- I may get a hold of a PS3 as well, but I expect them all to be sold out, good luck getting yours, but I would expect March of 07 is more likely.

That will really drive them nuts.
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