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post #61 of 183
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Originally Posted by PhdWho
you have quite a few issues Q.

scary

Pray we never meet in person. I'm sick of you.
post #62 of 183
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Originally Posted by PhdWho
you have quite a few issues Q.

scary

Steer clear of me and I'll steer clear of you. I think that would be in your best interest.
post #63 of 183
I like that link, thanks Q :D
post #64 of 183
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Originally Posted by Q of BanditZ
Steer clear of me and I'll steer clear of you. I think that would be in your best interest.
Yet, you have been incapable of holding up your end of the bargain.

Could I have that link to the Petition you were spamming about, to get all studios on the BluRay format. The link that kept getting deleted from the HDDVD forums.

Thanks in advance! ;)
post #65 of 183
Sorry, but can someone explain to me the possible difference in picture quality between the cheapest BR player and the highest-ended one?

As I understand, in case when BR player is connected to the monitor via HDMI interface (and I'm pretty sure 100% of potential buyers of higher-end BR players will make connection that way), all BR has to do is to read some digits from BR-disk, decode it THE ONLY POSSIBLE WAY (the same way you unzip your files on PC) to another digits, and send that digital info via HDMI without any intervention. The decoding alghorythm is the same for any BR player, there's no such thing as "I decode better than you, because I'm high-end". So if all the digital data was read from BR disc without errors, then the display will show exactly the same picture, whatever BR player we'll use.

Of course picture quality over analogue outputs would be completely different between cheap and high-end models, but IMHO it will be exactly the same if HDMI is used.
post #66 of 183
To some extent that is true, but it will come down to bells and whistles. More features, like advanced FF/RW,etc. The fact that the PS3 will be the first BR player to offer HDMI 1.3 support says to me Sony doesn't intend on it to be a throwaway BR player.

As far as one player offering better output than another, we really won't know until there is more than one player released.
post #67 of 183
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Originally Posted by DaveFi
To some extend that is true, but it will come down to bells and whistles. More features, like advanced FF/RW,etc. The fact that the PS3 will be the first BR player to offer HDMI 1.3 support says to me Sony doesn't intend on it to be a throwaway BR player.

As far as one player offering better output than another, we really won't know until there is more than one player released.
Agreed. For me things like advanced FF/RW I'm totally fine without, though it is nice to have it doesn't effect my enjoyment of watching a movie.
post #68 of 183
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Originally Posted by brbrbr1
Sorry, but can someone explain to me the possible difference in picture quality between the cheapest BR player and the highest-ended one?

As I understand, in case when BR player is connected to the monitor via HDMI interface (and I'm pretty sure 100% of potential buyers of higher-end BR players will make connection that way), all BR has to do is to read some digits from BR-disk, decode it THE ONLY POSSIBLE WAY (the same way you unzip your files on PC) to another digits, and send that digital info via HDMI without any intervention. The decoding alghorythm is the same for any BR player, there's no such thing as "I decode better than you, because I'm high-end". So if all the digital data was read from BR disc without errors, then the display will show exactly the same picture, whatever BR player we'll use.

Of course picture quality over analogue outputs would be completely different between cheap and high-end models, but IMHO it will be exactly the same if HDMI is used.
The Samsung is known to interlace the 1080p signal to 1080i, then deinterlace it back to 1080p for 1080p output, due to the specific chip used in the machine. So clearly, there can be a difference in how these players handle the signal encoded on the disc. Since there is currently only 1 BD player available for testing, it's impossible to answer your question.
post #69 of 183
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Originally Posted by brbrbr1
Sorry, but can someone explain to me the possible difference in picture quality between the cheapest BR player and the highest-ended one?

As I understand, in case when BR player is connected to the monitor via HDMI interface (and I'm pretty sure 100% of potential buyers of higher-end BR players will make connection that way), all BR has to do is to read some digits from BR-disk, decode it THE ONLY POSSIBLE WAY (the same way you unzip your files on PC) to another digits, and send that digital info via HDMI without any intervention. The decoding alghorythm is the same for any BR player, there's no such thing as "I decode better than you, because I'm high-end". So if all the digital data was read from BR disc without errors, then the display will show exactly the same picture, whatever BR player we'll use.

Of course picture quality over analogue outputs would be completely different between cheap and high-end models, but IMHO it will be exactly the same if HDMI is used.
Thats like saying a volkswagon is just as good as a Mercedes Benz just because they both run on gas.

There is a lot more to a player than the connection used. Chips vary in quality quite a bit. Why would people buy expensive equipment if the cheap crap were just as good? Even if the same chip is used they can use different settings for the same chip. Build quality is another issue. I can go on and on and on.....
post #70 of 183
Simple jack of all trades master of none.

No console has ever excelled at movie playback. Right now even standalone BLU-RAY players can't excel at movie playback what makes any of you think the PS3 will playback as good as a 1000$ plus stand alone?

I have zero faith in sony anymore, I predict a lot of broken and messed up PS3's at launch, to much new untested technology at once. The Cell and Blu ray drives have not been mass produced and sold in mass quantities before, there could be lots of issues that get by initial QC tests.
post #71 of 183
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Originally Posted by BillP
The Samsung is known to interlace the 1080p signal to 1080i, then deinterlace it back to 1080p for 1080p output, due to the specific chip used in the machine. .
Yes, its Broadcom chip is just not the real deal (and therefore Samsung just not doing the real digital 1080p all that deintarlaces are not serious). So, I must rephrase, will there be the difference, when the tech will be mature (real 1080p decoding).

Anyway, since Samsung carries Blu-ray logo, it means that its 1080p is acceptable by Blu-Ray standards, therefore all that deinterlacing techniques are allowed, so even now we can answer, that yes, Blu-Ray group says the 1080p can differ even over HDMI. I hoped for something else :(

P.S. Thanks for the tip, before that I thought that Samsung had just the bug in decoding, but after second thought I understand that its much more complex.
post #72 of 183
Swanlee, you can probably criticize the HTPC the same way, by saying it's not a dedicated DVD player, therefore it's not as good as one. The fact that the PS3 is such an open ended platform leads me to believe it can be an excellent player indeed, and improve expenonentially over time.

We'll just have to see how it all pans out.
post #73 of 183
I would like to point out that retailers do NOT raise the price of the console 150%.

At launch, they generally sell it at cost or for maybe a $10-20 profit.
post #74 of 183
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Originally Posted by DaveFi
Swanlee, you can probably criticize the HTPC the same way, by saying it's not a dedicated DVD player, therefore it's not as good as one. The fact that the PS3 is such an open ended platform leads me to believe it can be an excellent player indeed, and improve expenonentially over time.
But it's not open ended anything like a HTPC is, not even close imo. It is still closed commi-hardware. My guess is it will be as good as the rest PQ wise though.
post #75 of 183
Say the picture is good.
The PS3 will run just as hot as the 360 (or hotter) = Fan noise, and lots of it = loud bad blu-ray player.

Will it come with a remote for use with movies, or is that and accessory? You won't need it but no body really wants to grab the game controller to navigate the menus.

There is no way this will be a good Blu-Ray player.
post #76 of 183
At the launch of PS3
- No other Blu-ray/HD DVD player with hardware decoder chips has the processing power of PS3. No other HTPC with Intel Core Duo 2 has the processing power of PS3.
- No other Blu-ray/HD DVD player has a HDMI 1.3 output.
- It's noise level is 29db (as quiet as the latest slim PS2) and this is likely when playing games. Playing BD movies will be a lot quieter.
post #77 of 183
I will probably get a PS3 as my first Blu Ray player since it will have DD True HD, and HDMI 1.3... I don't think any player released in 2006 is going to have HDMI 1.3, so I'm not dropping big bucks... I''ll perhaps get a PS3 and wait it out... The PS3 is a great deal. Hell, I paid $1,000 for my current AMD processor in my HTPC... The price on the PS3 is killer for the power/components you are getting... Not to many times you can actually buy something for lower than manufactuing cost. The PS3 is worth a heck of a lot more, and that cell processor is very sweet. Yes, the GPU should be great as well.

I do expect the PS3 to be a solid Blu Ray player, probably will be the best first gen player, probably equal to the Pioneer or possibly better. No reason the PS3 should be inferior, unless the transport is noisy for some reason. It may come down to the noise level...

I guess I should call the PS3 my second Blu Ray player since I returned the Samsung (flimsy, generic, dung heap).
post #78 of 183
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Originally Posted by trytogive
Say the picture is good.
The PS3 will run just as hot as the 360 (or hotter) = Fan noise, and lots of it = loud bad blu-ray player.

Will it come with a remote for use with movies, or is that and accessory? You won't need it but no body really wants to grab the game controller to navigate the menus.

There is no way this will be a good Blu-Ray player.
my 360 is loud while playing disc based games, running demos (which should take just the same processing power) it is very quiet. The disc based games are also most likely spinning at 12xDVD where as blu-ray will be spinning significantly slower.
post #79 of 183
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Originally Posted by DPowers
Not one person on these forums that ISN'T a gamer will own a PS3 at launch.
I will. I will camp out all night if I must, but I have been keeping a closer eye on presales that may be available in my area for the system. If nothing works, than it will more likely be Wal-Mart since they will have a line INSIDE, away from the cold.

The price is right and I am willing to spend a few hours in line to save several hundred dollars off one of the other BD players. If I were a gamer, I would get a X360. They look awesome and are fun to play. But, bottom line is I play video games about once every 3 months - maybe.

My son is not yet 3, so while video games interest him, he doesn't get it. PS3 likely will play into him being able to do some gaming in a few years, but not yet. I am buying PS3 almost 100% for movie viewing.
post #80 of 183
The simple fact that we are looking at digital data transport from disk to display *should* mean that the pq should be excellent. That is assuming that we are using HDMI for data transport (as I can with my Panny FP) Hopefully the analog outs will be good too as my only 1080i devices (LCD in the bedroom and RPTV in the fmaily room) are analog inputs only.

Either way, I still maintain that the PS3 is not designed as a game console, but a home entertainment device to be *the* playback device. I'll be happy to replace their HDD with a much larger one and dump all of my MP3's on it.

Now the HD-DVD vs BR debate is an entirely separate issue. Content wise I lean toward BR, but will not cry about having both types of player if need be. I'll pick up a PS3 when able without getting hosed on bundles. Now if the bundle comes with a game title that I want, that may be different.
post #81 of 183
I wonder what the best strategy is to get a PS3 day and date on release? Preorder at EB and others?
post #82 of 183
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Originally Posted by Health Nut
I wonder what the best strategy is to get a PS3 day and date on release? Preorder at EB and others?
All of the above! and sleep outside for a week, lol

I imagine it will be much crazier than the xbox360 launch.
post #83 of 183
I hope the PS3 offers 480i over HDMI and1080p24 native output (in addition to 1080i and 1080p60).
post #84 of 183
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Originally Posted by AV_Integrated
I will. I will camp out all night if I must, but I have been keeping a closer eye on presales that may be available in my area for the system. If nothing works, than it will more likely be Wal-Mart since they will have a line INSIDE, away from the cold.

The price is right and I am willing to spend a few hours in line to save several hundred dollars off one of the other BD players. If I were a gamer, I would get a X360. They look awesome and are fun to play. But, bottom line is I play video games about once every 3 months - maybe.

My son is not yet 3, so while video games interest him, he doesn't get it. PS3 likely will play into him being able to do some gaming in a few years, but not yet. I am buying PS3 almost 100% for movie viewing.
I stand corrected...one. Also I am a gamer and I camped out for a 360. Fourteen hours...not a couple. I hope you are prepared to put the time into your "$600 BD player/ps3." It's really cold and it's not fun. And you better hopr they don't make you buy a bundle. I had to buy four games just to walk out the door.
post #85 of 183
I'm a gamer. I did not camp out for the 360 and won't camp out or preorder for the PS3. If it's available, I'll buy it (hopefully after the initial sell out does some beta testing and the first production changes).

I do it intend to get the PS3 to sample Blu-ray while I'm sitting out this format skirmishing until at least Christmas if not 2007.
post #86 of 183
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Originally Posted by trgraphics
Games and movies are not the same type of medium. Most movies start with film, games are totally digital. You really need to do more research so far you've been wrong about every point you tried to make.

Just because a game looks good does not in any shape or form mean the films will look good. Just look at the PS2. Horrible dvd playback. If the PS3 is anything more than middle of the road for BR films I and many others will be very, very surprised. It would be nice however, if they did manage to pull it off.

Not that it matters. I don't play games and I sure as hell would not play movies on a game console.
You are 100% wrong, The Cell procesor were maked by IBM, Toshiba and Sony in that time all that toshiba wanted was power... they want a very very powerfull procesor to put in all the media devices (they want something small but powerfull and also something that can be produce by a low cost), sony wants a very powerfull procesor for the playstation3 for the graphics and such things soo the cell was created to do that kind of task.... the cell can do this.

http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/200...44271,0,0.html

(all that was in real time)
(see, the pics of the girl and the toshiba's ones are from the cell's power too)

What a blu-ray player need to run blu-rays movies, they need power they need a procesor that can manage all the data without any problem the cell can do that better than any other thing because it was created to do that kind of task, so a blu-ray player with a cell chip inside of it is a hight quality/gamma player and the ps3 is it also the ps3 has the RSX graphics procesor that can render very well because is a monster of GPU.

In Fact, the ps3 will be the best blu-ray player on the market by the time it comes out.

And to the people that dont know much, toshiba is going to sell HDTV's with cell chips inside of it to do the job more easier (....1080p,etc,etc,etc) becase the cell chip is cheap and has an incredible pocesing power even mpore than the Pentiums out there.
post #87 of 183
My theory?
The PS2 was horrible DVD player.
Sony made horrible SACD players.
You get the idea.
post #88 of 183
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Originally Posted by Sid Viscous
My theory?
The PS2 was horrible DVD player.
Sony made horrible SACD players.
You get the idea.
My theory, you dont know what the ps3 is.
post #89 of 183
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Originally Posted by DanteX
My theory, you dont know what the ps3 is.
Is it being made by someone other than Sony?
post #90 of 183
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Originally Posted by Sid Viscous
Is it being made by someone other than Sony?
The Cell (heart of the system) is being made by Sony, Toshiba and IBM.

Toshiba is going to put cells in their new's products like TVs etc, etc.
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