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I wonder if the NFLN should have taken the "we'll put your games on PPV" offer and make the cost 2.3 cents for the whole day (which is about what $0.70/month works out to be) and make the PPV event be the 24 hours containing the game. Maybe they were concerned that the percentage of "takers" would be too small, or the cost to notify subscribers would be too large.
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Originally Posted by bgooch View Post

Fans lose in football-cable clash
It's tough to cheer for either side as league-controlled networks fight to get space on cable lineup.

The cable operators are saying that they have to find new sources of revenue to pay for these new sports networks, rather than raising rates on all their customers and risk losing those who aren't sports fans.

The disingenuous part of that position is exposed, however, when you look at how the cable companies are relatively quick to give access to new sports networks that they have ownership stakes in.

Bingo. For this reason (and many others), we need a level playing field mandate by the FCC. No forced bundling from content providers, no preferential treatment from channel owners.

Whatever you might think of the value of the NFL Network, this case is just another example of what's wrong with cable (and the disproportionate cost of TV sports in particular).

Great article, thanks for posting.
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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/footb...t-letter_N.htm

Comcast sends NFL Network cease-and-desist note

NEW YORK (AP) — Comcast, the nation's largest cable company, has sent a cease-and-desist letter to the NFL Network demanding the channel's representatives stop encouraging fans to leave the cable provider.

Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, the outspoken chairman of the league's NFL Network committee, has urged customers of Comcast and other large cable providers who don't carry the network on a basic tier to switch to satellite or other cable services that do.

The channel's IWantNFLNetwork.com website includes a box titled "MAKE THE SWITCH." Above a field to enter a zip code, the text reads, "Switch to a TV provider that will bring you NFL Network, not hold you hostage."

The letter, dated Monday, contends that such actions violate the contract between the network and Comcast.

"The legal arguments are without merit, and Comcast subscribers who are dropping that service do not need encouragement from us," said NFL Network spokesman Seth Palansky, who added that network executives had not yet received the letter.

The two sides have gone to court over their agreement. The NFL Network sued Comcast after the cable provider decided to move the channel from its basic digital tier to a premium sports tier that customers must pay extra to receive.

In May, Manhattan state Supreme Court Justice Bernard J. Fried ruled in favor of Comcast. The network has appealed.

The letter requests that the network confirm in writing by the close of business Friday that it has halted its efforts to influence customers. Comcast spokeswoman Jennifer Khoury said she didn't want to speculate what the company would do if its demands were not met.
post #1504 of 1586
Here is a statement from Cablevision on the topic.

"The NFL blacks out about 10 games every week in the New York market, and now they are trying to manufacture an outcry over seven out-of-town games all year, for which they are demanding payments totaling more than $25 million dollars from Cablevision customers. The NFL is not fooling New York football fans, who know they will continue to see every Giants, Jets and playoff game on Cablevision."

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/wa...l_here_is.html
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Lobbyists Circulate Draft Letter to FCC Chairman Kevin Martin
By Ted Hearn -- Multichannel News, 12/10/2007 1:45:00 PM

Washington - The NFL Network is trying to get U.S. legislators to pressure the Federal Communications Commission into forcing Comcast and Time Warner into negotiating their differences with the league-owned pay-TV channel.

NFL Network lobbyists have circulated to legislators for their signature a draft letter to FCC chairman Kevin Martin stating that the agency should impose mandatory arbitration because the cable companies have little incentive to carry popular programming they don't own.

This market failure has imposed substantial burdens on consumers, who are unable to access popular programming, including games of their favorite sports teams, the Dec. 6 draft letter said, though without referring to Comcast and Time Warner by name.

Martin already supports the NFL Network. The letter, though addressed to Martin, is more likely aimed at other FCC officials whose support has not been locked up.

We have been contacted by several congressional offices that have been inundated with complaints about big cable companies not carrying NFL Network, said NFL spokesman Seth Palansky. We have provided those congressional offices with language with which to contact the FCC to urge for mandatory arbitration which could help get NFL Network wider distribution.

Comcast carries the NFL Network on a sports tier seen in about 1 million homes. Time Warner refuses to carry the network on expanded basic, claiming the 70-cent per month, per subscriber license fee is excessive. Time Warner has offered to carry the NFL Network on a sports tier or an a la carte basis, or on a pay per game basis, in which all of the revenue would go to the NFL.

The NFL Network has accused the cable giants of denying consumers access to most popular programming on cable TV.

A copy of the draft letter was obtained Monday by Multichannel News.

Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) last Wednesday sent a letter to NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and National Cable & Telecommunications Association president Kyle McSlarrow, urging compromise.

Kerry said he was concerned that millions of cable consumers would be unable to see on TV the New England Patriots (13-0) final regular season game on Dec. 29 against the New York Giants, because the NFL Network has exclusive television rights. No NFL team has gone undefeated for an entire regular season since the 1972 Miami Dolphins.

In light of the unique circumstances surrounding the 2007 New England Patriots, I urge you to reach an agreement as soon as possible, so that football fans across the country are not prevented from viewing what could be an historic sporting event, Kerry said in one-page letter.

In the draft letter, the NFL Network said forced arbitration would not be breaking new ground. It referred, for example, to the FCC's decision in 2006 to pressure Comcast to carry Mid-Atlantic Sports Network (MASN), a regional sports network and the pay-TV home of the Washington Nationals baseball team.

We note with interest that the [FCC] previously adopted a dispute resolution mechanism to address a similar stalemate between regional sports networks and vertically integrated MVPDs, and this approach benefited consumers right here in the Washington, D.C. market, the letter said.

But the letter failed to mention that Comcast paid for the MASN contract by immediately raising monthly cable rates by $2 for 1.6 million customers in the Washington-Baltimore corridor.

We urge the [FCC] to consider using this same approach to resolve disputes involving other types of independently owned programming where similar vertical integration may impede agreement, the draft letter said. This proposal would not pick winners or losers, but instead creates a mechanism to address a market failure that has prevented consumers from having access to popular programming including the NFL Network, about which our constituents have expressed much concern.

http://www.multichannel.com/index.as...leID=CA6511245
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What a joke...

Don't our lawmakers have something more important to do than play Mommy to two large, rich industries?
post #1507 of 1586
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Originally Posted by CincySaint View Post

What a joke...

Don't our lawmakers have something more important to do than play Mommy to two large, rich industries?

No s...

Agree 100%. No where in the constitution does it say anything about our right to watch cable tv.

Just another example of how moronic the people in Washington are.

By the way, Jerry Jones and Roger were in Texas yesterday testifying before a committee of the Texas legislature
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Originally Posted by CincySaint View Post

What a joke...

Don't our lawmakers have something more important to do than play Mommy to two large, rich industries?

LOL! Dude, that's all they have time to do. The only people who get lawmakers' attention are large industries or special interest groups who hire high-powered and high-priced lobbying firms to get them that access. The "little guy", the ordinary tax-paying American, has virtually no real access to the Congress or the President and his voice is virtually never heard in the Halls of Power.
post #1509 of 1586
If the FCC is going to mediate adding NFLN to TWC & Comcast, shouldn't they also address the shady exclusivity arrangement that the NFL has with DirecTV on Sunday Ticket?
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Originally Posted by Harley_Dude View Post

If the FCC is going to mediate adding NFLN to TWC & Comcast, shouldn't they also address the shady exclusivity arrangement that the NFL has with DirecTV on Sunday Ticket?

That's something I've never understood. No matter how much money DirecTV is willing to pay for an "exclusive" for Sunday Ticket, it would have to pale in comparison to how much the NFL could get if they allowed every carrier to buy the package. While it may be a great marketing tool for D*, it can't possibly benefit the NFL financially as much as getting money from everyone. Makes no sense to me.
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

That's something I've never understood. No matter how much money DirecTV is willing to pay for an "exclusive" for Sunday Ticket, it would have to pale in comparison to how much the NFL could get if they allowed every carrier to buy the package. While it may be a great marketing tool for D*, it can't possibly benefit the NFL financially as much as getting money from everyone. Makes no sense to me.

The value of the CBS and FOX NFL packages would drop if every provider had access to Sunday Ticket. If everyone had access to Sunday Ticket there would be less eyeballs on the local stations showing the games and that is something that the local stations and the networks will not let happen quietly.
post #1512 of 1586
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Originally Posted by homcom View Post

The value of the CBS and FOX NFL packages would drop if every provider had access to Sunday Ticket. If everyone had access to Sunday Ticket there would be less eyeballs on the local stations showing the games and that is something that the local stations and the networks will not let happen quietly.

I think that could be open to debate. The majority of the population is a fan of the team that is considered local to that area. By following the same blackout rules that DirecTV uses today (game not carried on ST if shown locally) and giving local commercial inserts on all games, advertising revenues could actually grow. The local fans are still going to watch their local team, displaced fans or people wanting to watch a different game would see the local insert commercials.
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Originally Posted by Harley_Dude View Post

I think that could be open to debate. The majority of the population is a fan of the team that is considered local to that area. By following the same blackout rules that DirecTV uses today (game not carried on ST if shown locally) and giving local commercial inserts on all games, advertising revenues could actually grow. The local fans are still going to watch their local team, displaced fans or people wanting to watch a different game would see the local insert commercials.

Any revenue from local spots on a cable version of Sunday Ticket would go to the cable company, unless your suggesting that the cable company run the local ads and give that revenue to the local CBS and FOX stations. The local stations get something like 6 or 7 minutes of local ad time per game which they would not want to give up. The local ad time is very valuable even though it is usually at the least attractive times such as halftime, before kickoff, and after the game with usually only one break being during the game.

Having Sunday Ticket available to everyone would also diminish the value of the doubleheader to the networks as there would not be as much emphasis on the late 4:15 game which goes to almost all of the country.
post #1514 of 1586
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Originally Posted by CincySaint View Post

What a joke...

Don't our lawmakers have something more important to do than play Mommy to two large, rich industries?

Why not? It would give them a chance to stop giving the oil companies a hand job.
post #1515 of 1586
I'm just glad I have D*. Cheaper than cable and 2x as good.
post #1516 of 1586
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Originally Posted by E-A-G-L-E-S View Post

I'm just glad I have D*. Cheaper than cable and 2x as good.

You mean the pizza pan, overly compressed, maybe locals, limited connections, buy-every-new-version-box service?
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Originally Posted by macbillybob View Post

No s...

Agree 100%. No where in the constitution does it say anything about our right to watch cable tv.

While I agree this issue should be beneath the government's radar, invoking the constitution every time you don't like an internet comment is just silly. The constitution does not cover issues like this, the Code and the FCC do.
post #1518 of 1586
As I mentioned before in another thread, it was entirely the NFL's decision to risk viewers' "access [to] popular programming, including games of their favorite sports teams." The eight games in question could have been sold to one or more existing networks. Instead, the NFL chose to use them in an attempt to turn a "niche" network into a "basic" channel, and the cable companies saw right through that effort.

Also, as I recall, the government was asked to get involved in the dispute between Sinclair Broadcasting and Mediacom -- which deprived many cable viewers of much more broad-based programming than NFL Network offers -- but they declined.
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D* Press Release

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DIRECTV Airlifts NFL Network To Game-Deprived Fans in Florida

DIRECTV Starship To Promote NFL Network Games Via World's Largest Aerial Digital Screen To Consumers Who Have Been Shut Out by Their Local Cable Company


EL SEGUNDO, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Dec. 12, 2007--Providing millions of Americans with superior digital television service isn't the only way that DIRECTV (NASDAQTV) is using the sky to bring unparalleled programming to consumers. Over the next two weeks, its newly launched blimp - the DIRECTV Starship - will fly over Tampa, St. Petersburg and Orlando, Fla., showing NFL Network game telecasts and promoting DIRECTV's superior high-definition service to cable customers, who do not receive NFL Network due to a shut out by their local cable provider, Bright House Networks.

While DIRECTV customers have always enjoyed the NFL Network at no extra charge, big cable companies want to force customers to pay an additional monthly service fee by placing it on a special programming tier. Nationally, Time Warner Cable does not carry the NFL Network at all and Comcast only carries it as a pay extra premium service. This situation has caused millions of fans to be deprived of some of the most exciting and anticipated NFL and college bowl games of the season telecast exclusively on NFL Network.

"Once again, big cable is simply reluctant to enhance the programming options they provide their customers," said Jon Gieselman, senior vice president, Advertising and Public Relations DIRECTV, Inc. "We're seizing this unique opportunity to reinforce again why DIRECTV is, hands down, the superior television service and one that is committed to consistently bring the best programming to our customers."

"NFL Network continues to demonstrate our commitment to our fans by going to great heights to give them access to our popular content," said Dena Kaplan, NFL Network's senior vice president of marketing. "DIRECTV was NFL Network's first distribution partner and for more than four years now has been taking advantage of the opportunities to use NFL content in unique and exciting ways for its customers."

The DIRECTV Starship "fly over" project will begin this Thursday in Tampa where local residents can simply step outside and look to the sky to enjoy the NFL Network's broadcast of the Denver Broncos-Houston Texans game. The "fly overs" continue the following Saturday, this time above St. Petersburg for the Cincinnati Bengals-San Francisco 49ers NFL Network broadcast. The following week, the Starship will visit the Orlando area for Thursday's Pittsburgh Steelers-St. Louis Rams broadcast and that Saturday's Dallas Cowboys-Carolina Panthers broadcast.

The first of its kind to operate in North America, and one of only two worldwide, the blimp and its 2,100-square foot video light sign display DIRECTV HD spots and messaging in full color. The 178-foot long blimp, emblazoned in DIRECTV blue and white, features the 70x30-foot full color monitor just beneath the DIRECTV logo. The video light sign, with a resolution of 33,600 total pixels, is the largest ever made for a blimp. The airship can travel up to 35 miles per hour and remain airborne up to six hours.

By calling 1-800-DIRECTV or visiting directv.com, customers can enjoy the NFL Network in addition to the best sports programming available anywhere including NFL SUNDAY TICKET(TM) , NASCAR HOTPASS(TM), MEGA MARCH MADNESS(TM) and the U.S. Open Interactive service. DIRECTV has continually displayed an unwavering commitment to being the undisputed leader in exclusive sports and entertainment services, interactive services and high definition programming.
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Woopty-frikin-do...
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Originally Posted by jefbal99 View Post

D* Press Release

... "NFL Network continues to demonstrate our commitment to our fans by going to great heights to give them access to our popular content," said Dena Kaplan, NFL Network's senior vice president of marketing...

Of course if they really wanted to give fans access they'd sell the games to an over-the-air network.

And by that, I mean a broadcaster, not a blimp.
post #1522 of 1586
http://iwantnflnetwork.com/

It appears that the cease and desist order did nothing to alter the "make the switch" portion of their website.
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

You mean the pizza pan, overly compressed, maybe locals, limited connections, buy-every-new-version-box service?

I used to think like that. But one day my cable bill shot up without notice and I was still getting the same crappy limited number of HD channels. I called D* and my only regret is that I didn't make the switch sooner.
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Originally Posted by dline View Post

Of course if they really wanted to give fans access they'd sell the games to an over-the-air network.

And by that, I mean a broadcaster, not a blimp.

The primary markets do get the games on a local channel, outside of that, find a provider that offers NFLN
post #1525 of 1586
If you don't like how the cable companies are treating you, then switch or give up watching the NFL. If only 8 games a year are not available for viewing, so what. I used to be a big time NFL fan. It seems most also-ran teams just mail it in. I find College football far more interesting.

Ohio State could be Miami. That would be an interesting game. I would be angry if I couldn't see that one.
post #1526 of 1586
If you're a die hard football fan, you would have dumped cable and gotten D* a long time before this. It's not like it is something that is going to sneak up on ootball fans.

Let the market work. If cable is too stubborn to give nfl network to it's subscribers, they have other options.
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Originally Posted by sandiegojoe View Post

Let the market work. If cable is too stubborn to give nfl network to it's subscribers, they have other options.

That is the whole issue. If cable could just give NFL Network to its subscribers they would. But someone has to pay for it! It's not going to be the NFL, who obviously are unable to make the channel advertiser supported (which should be a big indicator of its actual popularity among the public). It is not cable who is being stubborn here. They are more than willing to carry the channel and let willing customers pay for it. That sounds like a completely reasonable compromise between not carrying it at all vs "giving" it to everyone. Customers paying for what they want - that is the market working!
post #1528 of 1586
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Originally Posted by JThree View Post

It's not going to be the NFL, who obviously are unable to make the channel advertiser supported (which should be a big indicator of its actual popularity among the public).

No cable channel is fully ad supported.
post #1529 of 1586
When NFL Network was removed from my basic cable, I picked up the sports subscription so I would continue to get it. What's the problem? I pay $4.99 a month more in order to receive NFLN along with a few other sports channels. My neighbor, who is not an NFL fan, doesn't pay and doesn't get the channel. Neither of us in unhappy.

Of course, the NFL can't sell ads on their net claiming my neighbor as a sub, but since he isn't, it's all a bit more honest this way.
post #1530 of 1586
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Originally Posted by homcom View Post

Any revenue from local spots on a cable version of Sunday Ticket would go to the cable company, unless your suggesting that the cable company run the local ads and give that revenue to the local CBS and FOX stations. The local stations get something like 6 or 7 minutes of local ad time per game which they would not want to give up. The local ad time is very valuable even though it is usually at the least attractive times such as halftime, before kickoff, and after the game with usually only one break being during the game.

Having Sunday Ticket available to everyone would also diminish the value of the doubleheader to the networks as there would not be as much emphasis on the late 4:15 game which goes to almost all of the country.

I know this is OT, but can someone explain to me why we only get two or three games (at 1pm and 415pm eastern) depending on whether the local team is at home, instead of three or four?

I've never understood why the late game is a single but the early is not.
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