Very Happy With BFLF - Thanks MMan/PB - Page 5

I'm a bit confused, it doesn't say on the other site that the pictures in the gallery are DIY versions, isn't that a little misleading to people coming to the site?

Well Pete, your link isnt allowed per the rules either, or this thread as it stands. So I wouldnt exactly be pointing fingers as to what is on or off topic if Iwere you.

Oh OK I get it now. This thread is a complete farce imo and should be deleted as it is clearly part of the BF infomertial, your website makes this more clear than ever. You are selling both BF and Your Maxx mudd mix making both commercial products. To top it off you are linking people to your site via your signature. Its nice to see a couple of guys take such advantage of AVS and all the leeway they seem to have afforded you.
You guys have really become a priceless couple. Hopefully Alan will clear this up once and for all and make this forum commercial free, they way it belongs.

So I see PB has deleted his most recent posts. You should be ashamed of yourself for utter disregard for the rules of this site.

Well then it looks like you have a case against PB's new website.

What an act.

The Act is you!

Don't be such a blowhard....we are well enough informed.... example: as the election next week... to sift through all the BS and and make INFORMED decisions. I personally do not need you wasting space trying to point out issues that I already know exist. Give us some credit. You are not the DIY police.... but rude behavior make you seem.........disgrunted.

These forums are full of speculation, hope, trial and error, wrong turns, right turns...but the end all is getting information out...if it is promoting Wilsonart, DO-Able, GOO, Black Flame, Stewart...who cares...its ALL the information in these forums that we sift through that allow us to make informed decisions to bring into our home based upon price and usability..... Take a chill pill.. contribute and stop being so angry and defensive..

This is common practice on many other types of forums, especially PC hardware/software forums. Forums are split so the discussions can focus on specific manufacturers, sometimes they being directly involved themselves, and the main forum is meant for general topics. When the topic comes up on the general forum it is moved accordingly and I think the same could be done here to prevent alot of the current issues. I would however do it as a subforum, off the main screen forum so it is clearly seperate and noted as being commerical in nature. The only issue I see is that these companies may not be paid AVS sponsors and it is up to AVS to decide how they make their money to support the cost of runnign this site and allowing free commerical use to those not paying may not look good to those that do (hence why commerical posts are not wanted in general I beleive).

Also the posting of commerical signatures with links to commerical sites is also against forum rules and also is tpyically considered ethically wrong; posting a link to another forum inside a forum is plain wrong be it against rules or not and needs to end as well as it is only meant to draw people to another site, in this case for clearly commercial reasons.

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Can anyone tell me how I can make such an incredible screen?

ditto. where are the instructions and updates to the mix and how to create such a screen?

Its called Delta Moon now. See thread below

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=719584

i really don't like the 'delta moon' name much... how about a name change?

I didn't name it I just report the facts.

Any suggestions I'm sure Tiddler will change the name.

Delta Moon would seem to indicate the change in the moon and as the moon changes it gets darker out so I guess that's it.

For my projector I think I would need the new moon mix

Because BF is a commerical product now. The DIY mix needs to be seperated so as not to cause confusion.

How about "BS DIY Mix" I am just kidding of course.

Actually, the use of the term "DIY" in front of Black Flame is all that is really necessary. That, and a concerted effort by everyone to NOT keep bringing up the reference to the commercial version in rebuttal.

It was that specific effort to continually do so that prompted Tiddler to change the name, and basically that's only caused both some small degree of confusion and a lack of reference.

I suggest that the name revert to it's DIY origins and everybody just keep a level head about it all.

All I know is I ever come up with a screen that works well with low lumen projectors it's going to be called Bud-lite.

So don't take that name.

I suggest it not revert to the commercial name as it is misleading and thought by some to draw attention to the commerical version. Why would anyone name the commeriail the same as the DIY version is beyond me if not meant to confuse on purpose? Since the commercial version is just that and patent pending I suggest it not be mentioend as such in the DIY version as it will only lead to headaches and ongoing discussions such as this. It is easy to talk of keeping "level heads" aboutthe original name when one has a chance at financial gain from such confusion.

There was an extremely strong statement that previously and vehemently stated that the DIY version would not be supported or discussed anymore. That is part of the problem. Unless that statement is being retracted now, which would be fine, it's confusing when one thing is said when details are asked for, and then later there is a change in feeling and the DIY version is discussed, but only up to the point of what is in it and how to make it. Part of the discussion though since this is DIY is any changes that are done to the mix, and when it was asked what changes were done in a darker mix being used (that was stated as an older DIY version) the question was never answered.

There was a new thread started to continue the DIY version but under another name so the commercial product was distanced and separated from the DIY version. That name was not liked (mainly by the creators of BF), which is irrelivant seeing it was intended to keep the DIY version alive with no confusion of the intent of the discussion.

I'm not totally sure what you meant when you said "I suggest that the name revert to it's DIY origins" As far as I know and have seen Black Flame has always been called Black Flame or BF for the DIY version. It's one thing when an average member mentions the name, but when the proprietors bring it up it instantly links the two together.

Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with the DIY versions being discussed, but if questions are asked about the mix they need to be answered or that really changes the tone of the conversation and how it it perceived as far as its intentions.

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Mynym...I'm getting ready to setup my living room with an Epson 1080 Home Cinema, and though it's supposed to be one of the brightest 1080p projectors out there (thus why it really appeals to me, instead of the similarly prized Panny AE1000..that and the price), it's still not as bright as the AX100. I was wondering how far back do you have your projector at?

Just trying to get a reference, as I'm going to have mine sitting a bit away from the screen (18-19 ft) and it will be 50/50 daytime/night time viewing.

Mind any if I interact? I'm certain Mynym's PJ is no further back than 13', but that is only a guess. At 19.5 ' with the Epson 1080 HC you'd get 13 Foot Lamberts on a 110" - 1.0 gain screen, and 19 FL @ 1.5 gain

The latter figure is the easiest to accommodate as far as Ambient Light issues are concerned. If your no going larger than 110", a light hued Silver Flame (BFLF) on a Mirror will get the job done very well. Any smaller an image size and it just becomes easier to deal with, and less expensive too.

Thank you for the response.

I think I'm going to "settle" (lol, I can't believe I just thought of having a 100" screen in my living room and referred to it as "settling") for either a 100" or 106" inch screen. A 100" screen should be roughly 93" x 52", which IMO, should be plenty big enough. Moreso the size, I'd rather trade that extra 10" or so inches for better viewing during daytime.

What do you mean by "BFLF on a mirror", if I may ask? Right now, I'm basically torn with getting a 106" Elite EZFrame HC Gray or ordering a BF Expanded PVC white (live in Florida so the Mirror one and the framed one are out of the question for me).

"BF" refers to the "old' name given to the same mix that is called Silver Fire now, and is usage is the same thing on a "Mirror" as the "paint" on the BF PVC your referred to, only with the latter you depend only upon the PVC's degree of reflectivity, not the obviously more effective reflection a Mirror affords. When a Mirror is used, the application becomes what is know as "Light Fusion". So you can instead refer to it as "SFLF".

In the size you want, a Mirror is ALWAYS available. Your figures are wrong though. A 98" diagonal screen is 85" x 48". There are loads of 'em residing over Fireplaces, and that size is pretty much ideal for utilizing all the lumens ya got and still maintaining a decent sized image. With your Epson, as long as you avoid "DIRECT" light spillage across the screen's surface, you'll get fine ambient light viewing .

I've personally observed 82" diagonal screens in the same situations, and they look huge in living/Family room environments. And being even smaller, they reflect light all the more efficiently.

The smaller you go, the easier it is to accommoate your particular needs. And the PVC Screen will certainly get the job done at under 100 ".

After researching further, I'm starting to lean towards getting the BF PVC because a) I don't have enough faith in my DIY skills b) it's cheaper c) shipping should be rather painless (I heard it ships on a tube...much easier to receive than a 87x49 framed screen.) d) I don't have the room nor the equipment to DIY

So that being said, in looking at some DIY solutions posted in the forum for a frame, I found some people suggesting that painting the area around your screen black helps contrast and gives more of that "pop" effect. This is really not an option for me, as I can't paint the walls (and definitely not just a part of it lol).

Another solution I saw had people using velvet or velveteen cloth to wrap their frame.

With that, I came up with this possible solution that might work for me. What I'm thinking is, instead of painting the area around the screen, I can just surround it with velvet/velveteen fabric (roughly 3 inches around) and use velcro to hang it (I believe Nathan Troutman made a thread utilizing velcro as his "mounting device".

While at my local Joann's store, I also saw and thought that vinyl might be easier to "stick" on the wall. Would there be any drawbacks to using vinyl instead of velvet as a border?

You need something that absorbs the light ... Felt/velvet has fibers that stick out and form little "light traps" Anything that is slick or very smooth will not work very well...

Thanks swatkins. I thought that might be the case. Back to Velvet/velveteen then =)