The official AVS Guide to HD DVD Authoring. - Page 99

Since you do NOT want Movie Factory to re-encode your files most of the settings don't matter as long as you have the box checked to not re-encode compliant files. The early version of MF6+ would only accept mpeg2 files as mpg program streams and 1080i format. I have not fully test the updated version with the HD plug in to see what has changed. I do know that MF will accept 1080i files with H264 coding and in a transport stream format .ts.

The beginning of this thread has info on how to make the HD-DVD's and what file requirements are needed.

Mike T

It can be done but it is complicated and uses many pieces of software. You would demux the MKV file using tsMuxeR and then re-encode the video using the general method I described in post #2934. The AVIsynth script would be different as you probably have a different video file format in the MKV file.

You can find out more about this by spending a lot of time reading in the www.doom9.org forum like I did.

Mike T

I tried to load a H-264 file at 23.976 framerate into MF6+ with HD plugin and MF would re-encode this to 29.97, so 23.976 frame rate files are not accepted without re-encoding. I used H265info to add 3-2 pulldown to this file and it worked fine in MF6 without re-encoding.

Mike T

MF will RE-ENCODE? Sounds time-intensive!!!???!!! To say the least!

Have you ever tried DGPulldown which "simply" changes flags from one setting to another...?

Oops, not enough coffee this a.m.! I doubt DGPulldown would work w/h264!!!

Yes, If MF6 does not like your video then it will re-encode it to mpeg2, which is very slow and not very good.

I have tried DGPulldown, DoPulldown and none give as good results as encoding as progressive and then adding pulldown, plus with AVCHD you do not need the pulldown and can play the file as 23.976 progressive.

My main test for panning judder is the first 6 minutes of Alien, nothing but a very slow pan.

Mike T

Well, the last time I searched for a deal on MF6+ the best I saw was provantage. Today I see it at Amazon for $49.99! Same as 6.0!!?? I think last I looked there it was $70. So I've joined the club (will have to buy also the $20 plug-in of course later).

For Mtallent:
I have understud that the passages are:
Demux MKV with tsmuxer
to follow all passages in the post #2934
But i don't understand this passage:
The AVIsynth script would be different as you probably have a different video file format in the MKV file.

Thank You!

The AVISynth script I posted was for mpeg2 files. MKV files may not be mpeg2 format. tsMuxeR will tell you info on the video file in the information window just below the source file window. It will also tell the frame rate as this information is needed to know if de-interlacing is even necessary.

I am still trying to figure all this out also, it is complicated.

Mike T

Indeed. I received my MF6+ package today, and (amazingly, these days anyway) it comes with a printed User's Guide. Just glancing over it for now, MF6+ is, like Nero I suppose, a "Swiss Army Knife"-type suite of apps. Do I just install everything and run with it, or is there a "hardcore few" i.e. short list of apps that're all I need to create HVDVD_TS for burning with, say ImgBurn which I prefer to use?

I will also be installing the HD plug-in but obviously am not there yet.

OK I found a review which said/showed that MF6+ doesn't allow "Custom Installation" as for example Nero does. So I install and get what I get...

Hi...I am looking to solve a size problem after following the 1st thread's instructions.
I'd like to use Ulead to create the HD-DVD folder based on 11GB MPG files and burn to a DVD that can only hold 4.7 and still retain the HD quality. is this possible?

Firstly, I am using VideoRedo Suite v3, Moviefactory 6+ and the latest Nero (I think v8)

Here's what I did to get to this point.
1) I captured 2 large .m2t videos in 1080i output (highest resolution) from my HDR-HC5 Sony Camcorder using the Sony software (SONY HDR-HC5 (Import from Handycam (Tape))).
2) I used VRD v3 to convert both files to 2 MPGs. Each file is now ~11GB
3) I opened each MPG Ulead Movie factory 6+ and adjusted the chapters on each file and unchecked Create Menu.
4) This UMF v6 has a Project Type and there are 2 HD DVD types: HD-Standard 15gb and 30 gb.

Obviously these are not 4.7GBs settings that I need for a 4.7 GB DVD....so what do I do now? Do I encode in another format to shrink the files to 4.7GB?

Anyone's help is much appreciated...I'll likely face this same problem with every tape I capture.

You have 2 11 GByte files as mpeg2?

And you want to re-encode them both to fit on a single layer DVD disk?

The short answer is don't waste your time.

You could maybe re-encode each clip to 4.7 GByte disk size using H-264 as described in my post #2934 and the quality might be OK, or re-size the clips to 720P then encode into H-264, but it gets pretty complicated with AVISynth script settings, although all the software to do it is free.

You would then need the $20 HD plugin for Movie Factory 6 to author the HD-DVD disks on 4.7 GByte DVD disks.

If you want to read more about this then go to the www.doom9.org forums and check out MEgui in the advanced encoding threads.

Mike T

A quick question. I have my .ts file but when I go to Movie Factory to open it, it says its not accessible. Any help?

Thanks

The early version of MF6 would only accept program streams (mpg) as described in the first page of this thread. After updating and installing the HD plugin, I find that MF6 will accept .ts files just fine.

Are you sure your file is OK, did you play it to make sure, is it mpeg2?

Mike T

You don't even need the HD plugin. Just download and install the latest patch from the website.

Yes. When I go to open the video using moviefactory, the program can see it, but when I click on it, it says its not accessible. I pressed info and it says for file type: MPEG-2(transport stream) and for file type it says H.264 Video.

EDIT: I think I figured it out. I forgot to convert it to 30fps.

EDIT #2 - I changed it to 30 fps but it still says its not accessible

If the video is H264 you will have to get the $20 HD plug-in. I did and it works fine for H264 encodes I have made with MEgui from Doom9 forum.

Mike T

The thing is... I have the HD plugin and it was working yesterday...

I repeat--you don't need the HD plugin! I have successfully created a h.264 disc without it. I usually have best luck dragging the files from windows explorer onto the timeline.

I know the original version of MF would not accept H264, but I upgraded with the patch and the HD plugin around the same time, so the update patch may have added the H264.

Also you have to encode the H264 with settings that are compatible with the HD-DVD requirements. There are HD-DVD "profiles" you use for encoding H264 for authoring to HD-DVD. Not just any H264 file can be used for HD-DVD.

Mike T

Yes, I found this procedure works also:

Use 'xport -h 1 1 1'
Use h264info.exe to convert the video into a hd-dvd compliant h.264 file.
Use tsMuxR to join the audio + modified video into a .ts file
Import the .ts file into Ulead MovieFactory 6, making sure that the project settings match those of the .ts file. Then Ulead will not re-encode :-)

I bought MF6+, and can't even get past step b. When I select a "New Project" it asks me to "Select Burner" and then lists my DVD writers for selection. After I do that and get into MF6+ per se, I can see the Add Video Files button, but there's no way that I can find to tell MF6+ that I want to create an HD DVD, as if I need an HD-DVD WRITER to make an HD DVD folderset.

Where'd step b. above go???

EDIT: OK, I jumped the gun. I had to select the correct DVD type lower-left; one of the HD-DVD Standards. Then later un-check that I wanted to burn it, and an HD-DVD folder was created. Gotta still get the Power Pack but at least I know I got what I bought! Sorry for the bandwidth...

EDIT AGAIN!: I oughta delete this post--turns out my confusion was caused by using the Launcher. If I call DVDMF directly I get very nice New Project and HD DVD Standard radio buttons. Ouch!

FWIW I found a 15% off coupon valid for anything at Corel's online store, including the HD Power Pack plugin. SITEPOINT15OFF iirc. So I saved $3 bucks which still buys me a beer in most saloons that I might frequent!

The best deal on MF6+ is still, I think, amazon.com at $49.

Off to make some HD DVDs...

By way of trying-out my new MF6+ setup, I've run into the issue of MF6+ not accepting 24fps video. For grins I'm making a DVD+R HD DVD out of BD movie trailers (including a very nice "coming soon on Blu-Ray disc"! ) which are all m2ts files w/MPEG2, and here's what I've had to do:

1. Open the m2ts to VRD and Save As Elementary Streams changing the Bitrate option to 20Mbps

2. Use DGPulldown to convert the 23.976 originals to 29.97

3. Re-mux (I have TMPGEnc to do this) to an .mpg file

4. Add to MF6+ and make HVDVD set

The above is actually very quick, of course each trailer is only 200-400Mb long. But a key is to select 20Mbps in VRD as the output bitrate--I tried 30Mbps and MF wanted to re-encode it. This only changes the header, not the video itself, so VRD output still only takes seconds.

EDIT: Thanks to AnthemAZ.HDTV (in the very next post) it looks like all I really have to do is "fake-out" MF6+ by using HDpatch to change the FrameRate to 29.97 in the header, then change it back after MF has done its thing. Saves a LOT of extra work! WOW IT WORKS!

I had looked here for a shorter way to do this, but the only/best comment I'd found about it was this one, which turns-out to be spot-on except JPhilips89doesn't mention a bitrate issue.

What I do is leave the MPG file at 24fps, and use HDPatch to change the fps to 29.97, and the aspect ratio to 16:9 (if needed - MF6+ does not like 1:1) - do this only for the header, not the whole file. MF6+ should be happy with the file then and not re-encode it. Once the HDDVD files are built, remember to use HDPatch on the first EVO file to change the settings back to what they were (24fps, 1:1, etc.)

Mike, I was having the same player (A-2 & A-20) crashes when I created HDDVDs with chapters using MF6+. For the past few weeks, I have been using "Advanced" mode to create HDDVDs and now my players no longer crash. When burning use the same Nero 7 settings (ie. physical disk, and X-Box compatability) and make sure you create the disk with both folders that MF6+ created - I think they are named ADV_OBJ and HDDVD_TS.

DL'ed HDpatch and wow, is that gonna save me some time, thanks!

BTW do you or anyone else here know the max bitrate MF6+ will accept? I see I can change that with HDpatch also. I only know it does NOT like 30Mbps.

I'm not sure what the max bitrate that MF6+ accepts, but I know at least it's happy with 25Mbps MPEG files from my Canon HD Camcorder.

I'd also like to add that keeping the MPEG file at 24fps will result in a smaller file compared to one that was re-encoded at 29.97fps (6 less frames per second).

Hi. I successfully made my HD-DVD disk with the new hd-popup menus. I burnt both the adv_obj and hvdvd_ts folders into my disk. However, when I attempt to play it, the machine says it does not recognize it as a DVD and cannot play it. Would this have anything to do with me not having updated the firmware?

AAZ to clarify I wasn't re-encoding either--DGPulldown just changes the flags, though unlike HDpatch which takes only a second and patches the header, DGPulldown changes flags thruout the video. What's worse though, it also needs only Elementary streams to work with. So HDpatch is a wildly better & easier way to go for sure. Great tip.

I tried using the advanced mode. With both my A2 and A30 I get a cannot play this disk error. I am using a H-264 encoded file that plays fine when using standard mode and no chapters. I have always used both folders although one is empty when using standard mode.

I have had no problems using chapters with mpeg2 files, have made hundreds with no player crashes, only when using my encoded H264 files that play fine without chapters.

I also made a couple with Scenarist and the ones with chapters also crashed the player when they were H264.

Sure would be nice to have chapters as the fast scan does not go very fast with H264 files. However the quality is amazing with h264.

Mike T