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post #511 of 3176
10/14/06 at 1:50pm
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Originally Posted by kkonfucius View Post

In my experience you have to use both, some files work better with one some with the other, I use mostly videoredo, but some times mpeg-vcr works better, although I always use mpeg-vcr to check the specks of the file first (opens quicker and got good info)

Well I bought I license for MPEG-VCR so I guess I have to pay VideoReDo some cash too!

StooMonster
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post #512 of 3176
10/14/06 at 7:07pm
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Originally Posted by kkonfucius View Post

You'll have to discribe better what you doing, ie.: what are the file types that you burning into the disk? EVO? VOB? or something else?

You're right, my apologies for not being specific at all. Thanks for the offer of help. Here's what I've done:

1) Downloaded the park run 1920x1080 22.5Mbps file from w6rz.net to make sure I'm working with a true valid file.
2) Opened mpeg-vcr eval version 3.14 and opened the single ts file. Selected OK.
3) Clicked the third button from the right on the left hand bottom row (yellow/pink icon).
4) Selected MPEG-2 Program Stream and specified the file output. Clicked save. Let it do its thing and then close mpeg-vcr.
5) Opened fully licensed purchased DMF 5+ (version 5.30.0107.0)
6) Selected Video Disk, New Project, select radio button HD-DVD. Click OK
7) Selected Add Video Files from Add Media section. Browsed for mpeg that was created from mpeg-vcr. checked info: MPEG-2 Video, upper field first, 24 bits, 1920x1080 16:9, 29.970 frames/sec, variable bit rate max 22496 kbps, Dolby Digital audio 48000hz, 384kbps bitrate.
8) Selected Open. Deselcted the create menu option. Next, Next to step 3.
9) Select create HD DVD folders and specify location.
10) Click project settings button and make sure do not convert compliant mpge files is selected. Click OK then click burn. MPEG is not re-encoded.
11) Launch Nero Burning ROM version 7.5.1.1 Select DVD-ROM(UDF).
12) Make sure NO Multisession is selected. Click UDF tab and select xbox compatibility mode. Ignore warning.
13) Click New. Drag and drop the hd_dvd folder to the root of the compilation.
14) Click Burn--select same speed as media is rated for, click Burn.

I'm using a Plextor 716AL and Taiyo Uden 8x DVD-R media.

I also downloaded the ISO image from w6rz.net and burned it to the same media using IMGBurn 2.1.0.0 and that DVD was recognized in my A1 as an HDDVD and it played perfectly fine.

I'm guessing Nero at this point but haven't eliminated every other possibility. It's very frustrating though.

Thanks for any advice.
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post #513 of 3176
10/14/06 at 8:27pm
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Originally Posted by talman View Post

You're right, my apologies for not being specific at all. Thanks for the offer of help. Here's what I've done:

1) Downloaded the park run 1920x1080 22.5Mbps file from w6rz.net to make sure I'm working with a true valid file.
2) Opened mpeg-vcr eval version 3.14 and opened the single ts file. Selected OK.
3) Clicked the third button from the right on the left hand bottom row (yellow/pink icon).
4) Selected MPEG-2 Program Stream and specified the file output. Clicked save. Let it do its thing and then close mpeg-vcr.
5) Opened fully licensed purchased DMF 5+ (version 5.30.0107.0)
6) Selected Video Disk, New Project, select radio button HD-DVD. Click OK
7) Selected Add Video Files from Add Media section. Browsed for mpeg that was created from mpeg-vcr. checked info: MPEG-2 Video, upper field first, 24 bits, 1920x1080 16:9, 29.970 frames/sec, variable bit rate max 22496 kbps, Dolby Digital audio 48000hz, 384kbps bitrate.
8) Selected Open. Deselcted the create menu option. Next, Next to step 3.
9) Select create HD DVD folders and specify location.
10) Click project settings button and make sure do not convert compliant mpge files is selected. Click OK then click burn. MPEG is not re-encoded.
11) Launch Nero Burning ROM version 7.5.1.1 Select DVD-ROM(UDF).
12) Make sure NO Multisession is selected. Click UDF tab and select xbox compatibility mode. Ignore warning.
13) Click New. Drag and drop the hd_dvd folder to the root of the compilation.
14) Click Burn--select same speed as media is rated for, click Burn.

I'm using a Plextor 716AL and Taiyo Uden 8x DVD-R media.

I also downloaded the ISO image from w6rz.net and burned it to the same media using IMGBurn 2.1.0.0 and that DVD was recognized in my A1 as an HDDVD and it played perfectly fine.

I'm guessing Nero at this point but haven't eliminated every other possibility. It's very frustrating though.

Thanks for any advice.

Well I am back, batman begins is very nice in HD DVD and the true HD track is amazing (had to keep lowring the sound on the explosions not to disturb the neighbours too much

anyway you seemd to be doing the right thing except for the dvd-rom udf, I think.

I also use nero 7, but I never tried with the dvd rom UDF I always thought that was for data files (not sure if I am right about this assumption).
I set nero to DVD-Video, I put the HVDVD_TS folder on the root like you and put a blank VIDEO_TS.VOB in the VIDEO_TS folder.

if you have a dvd rw, try it this way to see if that works for you

PS: I just checked Nero explanation for dvd-rom in the help, here it is what it says:
"Creating a DVD-ROM (UDF)
The only difference between creating a DVD-ROM (UDF) and creating a CD-ROM (UDF) is that you select the 'DVD' media type instead of 'CD'. All other points are identical and are therefore not explained here again. Please read the chapter 'Creating a CD-ROM (UDF)'."

This to me seems to indicate that it does not create a video DVD, try the way I described.
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post #514 of 3176
10/14/06 at 9:35pm
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Originally Posted by talman View Post

I'm just getting my feet wet with making these HD-DVD's but have run into a wall with one.

Any ideas? Thanks in advance!

Yes, I've had the exact same thing happen. The HVDVD_TS folder needs to be at the top level. You probably burnt the folder containing the HVDVD_TS folder; thus the HD DVD player could not find the HVDVD_TS folder.
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post #515 of 3176
10/15/06 at 12:54am
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Originally Posted by Hyrax View Post

Yes, I've had the exact same thing happen. The HVDVD_TS folder needs to be at the top level. You probably burnt the folder containing the HVDVD_TS folder; thus the HD DVD player could not find the HVDVD_TS folder.

I just came in here to admit the same thing. Sheesh I feel like an idiot! Especially after the countless DVD backups I've done of my own collection.

Thanks kkonfucius! Your line about the _TS folder at the root level was enough to open my eyes and make me realize the errors of my ways. Works perfectly!
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post #516 of 3176
10/15/06 at 2:22am
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I put the HVDVD_TS folder on the root like you and put a blank VIDEO_TS.VOB in the VIDEO_TS folder.

Mine play fine without this step.
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post #517 of 3176
10/15/06 at 7:04am
I am using Cucusoft Avi to VCD DVD Mpeg Converter Pro Ver5.07 to changer my ts file to mpeg 2. I been using this program for a while changing avi to mpeg or dvd file . it work great.
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post #518 of 3176
10/15/06 at 9:15am
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Originally Posted by talman View Post

I just came in here to admit the same thing. Sheesh I feel like an idiot! Especially after the countless DVD backups I've done of my own collection.

Thanks kkonfucius! Your line about the _TS folder at the root level was enough to open my eyes and make me realize the errors of my ways. Works perfectly!

Glad it works, it's great to be able to see these files in HD
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post #519 of 3176
10/15/06 at 4:45pm
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Originally Posted by Tom Roper View Post

Mine play fine without this step.

I don't believe the HD-DVD player needs the blank VIDEO_TS.VOB file. Nero requires it to enable burning the dvd.
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post #520 of 3176
10/15/06 at 5:26pm
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I don't believe the HD-DVD player needs the blank VIDEO_TS.VOB file. Nero requires it to enable burning the dvd.

I am using Nero 7.2.7 and it burns without the VIDEO_TS folder. What can I say?
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post #521 of 3176
10/15/06 at 6:29pm
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Originally Posted by joewmaki View Post

I don't believe the HD-DVD player needs the blank VIDEO_TS.VOB file. Nero requires it to enable burning the dvd.

That is correct the HD DVD does not need it it is only for nero to burn and it seems that in newer versions of nero it is no longer needed.
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post #522 of 3176
10/16/06 at 3:58am
Is there an easy way to identify which newsgroup downloads would fit on a single layer disc? eg the episode 2 of lost I downloaded is 5.3GB. At the moment I'm streaming to my 360, but occasionally I have network problems so direct playback would be useful.
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post #523 of 3176
10/16/06 at 1:24pm
Anyone got an update on when common authoring software (nero etc) might support h264 on DVD5/9 discs? Or even if the A1 or other players will playback this combo at all? Was thinking perhaps they might have been fiddled to only allow MPEG2 on DVD.
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post #524 of 3176
10/16/06 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by richard plumb View Post

Is there an easy way to identify which newsgroup downloads would fit on a single layer disc? eg the episode 2 of lost I downloaded is 5.3GB. At the moment I'm streaming to my 360, but occasionally I have network problems so direct playback would be useful.

Please do not talk about piracy in this thread, this just puts a bad light on people that make legal fair use copies of programs they recorded.
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post #525 of 3176
10/16/06 at 3:40pm
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Originally Posted by WiFi-Spy View Post

Please do not talk about piracy in this thread, this just puts a bad light on people that make legal fair use copies of programs they recorded.

WiFi -
Is newsgroups use always piracy? Excuse me for being ignorant, but I'm not real experienced with them.
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post #526 of 3176
10/16/06 at 10:29pm
Is there any way to extract an MLP stream from DVDA and author an HDDVD with it?
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post #527 of 3176
10/17/06 at 3:05am
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Originally Posted by WiFi-Spy View Post

Please do not talk about piracy in this thread, this just puts a bad light on people that make legal fair use copies of programs they recorded.

I don't mean to derail this, but I can't let this go unanswered.

I consider my use 'fair use' I only download episodes of programs that are airing on channels that I have paid any due subscriptions to. I just like to get them in HD as my channel doesn't broadcast them in HD (not due to me not subscribing to their HD channel - they don't have a HD channel). I was previously downloading Stargate SG-1, Atlantis and BSG, but now my local station is starting to broadcast it in HD so I will watch that.

As much as you might quote 'fair use copies', surely most people don't really use this method to back their own PVRd material up? And even if so, copyright law is vague on your rights here. Timeshifting is one thing, permanent archiving is another.

I'd say we were as grey as each other in this regard.
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post #528 of 3176
10/17/06 at 3:17am
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Originally Posted by richard plumb View Post

I don't mean to derail this, but I can't let this go unanswered.

I consider my use 'fair use' I only download episodes of programs that are airing on channels that I have paid any due subscriptions to. I just like to get them in HD as my channel doesn't broadcast them in HD (not due to me not subscribing to their HD channel - they don't have a HD channel). I was previously downloading Stargate SG-1, Atlantis and BSG, but now my local station is starting to broadcast it in HD so I will watch that.

As much as you might quote 'fair use copies', surely most people don't really use this method to back their own PVRd material up? And even if so, copyright law is vague on your rights here. Timeshifting is one thing, permanent archiving is another.

I'd say we were as grey as each other in this regard.

Im not saying I support them, but the copyright holders would beg to differ. Plus this is the wrong thead to discuss what is or isnt piracy.
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post #529 of 3176
10/17/06 at 7:44am
yeah, let's not talk about copyright stuff. but rather let's look into this gadget http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/ and see what it can do for us in this process.
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post #530 of 3176
10/17/06 at 11:59am
Hi

I still have problems trying to burn a direct output of my HC1 camcorder. The attachment contains the video format data from the camcorder.
Why is MF5 trying to encode this ?

Thanks

Eugene

I hope that attachment is there.
LL
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post #531 of 3176
10/17/06 at 1:38pm
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Originally Posted by Eugene157 View Post

Hi

I still have problems trying to burn a direct output of my HC1 camcorder. The attachment contains the video format data from the camcorder.
Why is MF5 trying to encode this ?

Thanks

Eugene

I hope that attachment is there.

are you setting the resolution to 1440x1080 ?
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post #532 of 3176
10/17/06 at 3:09pm
Thanks for the response WIFI-SPY

No I did not , will try that.
I was under the impression that once the box "do not convert etc" was checked that setting the res was not needed.

Gene
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post #533 of 3176
10/17/06 at 3:12pm
People, I really need some help here. I already know that the MLP can be extracted from DVDA. Now, is there a possibility of joining the MLP with some mpeg2 (like a constant photo) and create a HDDVD with it?

So the real question would be... Is there a program that accept MLP for audio in HDDVD?

Thanks in advace.
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post #534 of 3176
10/17/06 at 9:35pm
Hi,

Following the high-level instructions:

1. Womble MPEG2VCR (version 3.14).
MPEG2VCR frame accurate transport stream (.ts) to program stream editing software
2. Ulead Movie Factory 5.
Ulead Movie Factory 5
3. Nero Burning ROM (versions 6 and 7 work, although some people report problems creating discs with version 6).
Nero Burning ROM 7

can someone confirm that I do NOT need to do step 1 if I use VS10 to capture the HD video from my Canon HV10 camcorder (as VS10 produces an .MPG program stream)?

For Step 2 and 3, I followed the instructions in this post, and created an HD DVD on single layer media. Took it to my local bestbuy. The Toshiba HD DVD player recognized it as an HD DVD, but would only play the last 5 seconds or so of the video. My question above is to start zeroing in on what went wrong.

Thanks for any help and thanks to all who contribute to this forum - very informative.

Mike
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post #535 of 3176
10/17/06 at 9:52pm
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Originally Posted by mvmb View Post

Hi,

Following the high-level instructions:

1. Womble MPEG2VCR (version 3.14).
MPEG2VCR frame accurate transport stream (.ts) to program stream editing software
2. Ulead Movie Factory 5.
Ulead Movie Factory 5
3. Nero Burning ROM (versions 6 and 7 work, although some people report problems creating discs with version 6).
Nero Burning ROM 7

can someone confirm that I do NOT need to do step 1 if I use VS10 to capture the HD video from my Canon HV10 camcorder (as VS10 produces an .MPG program stream)?

For Step 2 and 3, I followed the instructions in this post, and created an HD DVD on single layer media. Took it to my local bestbuy. The Toshiba HD DVD player recognized it as an HD DVD, but would only play the last 5 seconds or so of the video. My question above is to start zeroing in on what went wrong.

Thanks for any help and thanks to all who contribute to this forum - very informative.

Mike

I don't use VS10 enough to answer positively, but I think you are correct on that point. As far as your HD DVD only playing the last few seconds, I had a similar situation with the free evaluation version. That went away when I upgraded to the full version. (I'd almost forgotten that until your post. It's been a long time.) That also happened only with material I shot with my Sony HC1, not from any of the material captured from satellite.
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post #536 of 3176
10/17/06 at 10:33pm
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Originally Posted by GodobeHD View Post

yeah, let's not talk about copyright stuff. but rather let's look into this gadget http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/ and see what it can do for us in this process.

Not a lot. It'll allow you to interface an HDMI device without HDCP and capture AVI files in HD. If you have an HD camera that supports HDMI, you'll get a potentially lossless transfer (depending on what codec you capture into).

But for our purposes you'd still need to encode into MPEG2 with your final clips, so it's still far from optimal. AVC or VC1 would allow for pretty much pristine transfers.

I have one of these cards on order and will report on it when I receive it.
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post #537 of 3176
10/17/06 at 11:04pm
WIFI-SPY

THAT WAS IT, tried again by setting MF5 to 1440x1080 and there was no rendering involved.
The video was captured with MF5 from my HC1.

Thanks for your help
Gene
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post #538 of 3176
10/18/06 at 3:21am
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Originally Posted by Eugene157 View Post

WIFI-SPY

THAT WAS IT, tried again by setting MF5 to 1440x1080 and there was no rendering involved.
The video was captured with MF5 from my HC1.

Thanks for your help
Gene

No problem, I ran into the same issue back in april on the first HD DVD I authored (HC1 footage I took @ CES)
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post #539 of 3176
10/18/06 at 8:19am
Hi everyone.

Thanks for this thread. I bought the Toshiba HD-XA1 so I could do this and my successful results are fantastic.

I'm having a problem similar to what Eugene157 and efranzen seemed to be having, and that's with video captured from Firewire. Even though it's a 1920x1080i stream, MF5 seems to feel it needs converting. I also have the R5000 and those captures work with no problems. But I can only get HDNet through cable so I can't work around this for certain programs. I thought maybe the PIDs needed to be 0x11 and 0x14 so I ran a 30 sec test through tstoatsc but it still get the dreaded "Converting Title...". I did a mpegrepair on both a R5000 clip and a Firewire clip (Cable to D-VHS to CapDVHS) and they are close to identical. I also tried running it through HDPatch just on the off chance something just needed tweaking. Can anyone recommend any other analysis tools? I feel it's really close as it seems some other people have been successful with firewire captured material.

On Double Layer DVDs, I just bought a Memorex DVD+R 2.4x Double Layer Spindle (25 pack) for $27.99 from Buy.com with free shipping using the $10 off $30 Google Checkout. ($1.12 each). I've burned one HD-DVD disc with them and it played with no problems. I don't know how long the Google Checkout deal is supposed to last. http://www.buy.com/retail/product.as...1&sku=10405802

Thanks for any help.

-Bret
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post #540 of 3176
10/18/06 at 8:33am
Thread Starter 
There's a new thread on burning HD DVDs using Pinnacle Studio 10 (their beta 10.7 software). Do we have any Pinnacle users here who have the upgrade? The poster says its better than MF5. Anyone here who can report?

Here's the thread:

Pinnacle Studio 10.7 Beta for burning HD DVD's.
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