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post #1 of 30
Thread Starter 
Currently..I have Panasonic 42" plasma HDTV..

After two years..it's starting to look sort of small..

I think it's about time to change my display..

My budget is $4000...

I'm not dead set on the screen size yet.. but I'd like to get a 55 incher if the price allows..

What's the best 55" HDTV that I can get for $4000 ONLINE?
post #2 of 30
Don't ALL 55" panels use glass made by Hitachi? That pretty much narrows the list to only a few that I know of: Hitachi, Fujitsu, Electrograph (are they still around?). There used to be a couple of others - Viewsonic, Sony, Samsung (I think) - but I think they all discontinued their 55" Hitachi-based displays.
post #3 of 30
Keep what you have and save your money is my suggestion.

Corning invented and owns the market on 40" and larger LCD glass. Plasma (which uses plain leaded-glass) is not even in the running looking forward.

Perhaps a LARGE JVC or Sony or Samsung or LG or Philips or Sharp LCD might be your choice.

Else, good luck in your plasma search.

Large-panel-glass LCD has arrived.
post #4 of 30
Panasonic has a new 58" Plasma (TH-58PX600U) but it's a little over your budget.
post #5 of 30
Thread Starter 
Ok I'm guessing there aren't a lot of 55" plasmas out there..

What about Hitachi HDT79? I can buy this one around $4000..any insights on its PQ?

The PQ of Hitachi HDS69 at both Bestbuy and CircuitCity was hideous.. If HDT79 is anything like this..I won't buy..

Well?
post #6 of 30
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Originally Posted by jfroth1 View Post

Hi billybob_jcv,
Are you referring to my post, re: the 'trolling comment from left field?'

If so, you might want to seek out some up-to-date reading material on the latest display technology, and start reading it.

I've seen the new Sammy 57 1080p LCD - it's nice but not as good as the much cheaper plasmas or LCOS sets displayed nearby. Actually, the 58" Panny had the best picture in that size category.
post #7 of 30
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Originally Posted by netddos View Post

Ok I'm guessing there aren't a lot of 55" plasmas out there..

What about Hitachi HDT79? I can buy this one around $4000..any insights on its PQ?

The PQ of Hitachi HDS69 at both Bestbuy and CircuitCity was hideous.. If HDT79 is anything like this..I won't buy..

Well?

The T model Hitachi reportedly has a better picture than the S. The Hitachis are very sharp and colorful sets . Their con is grayish looking blacks (even on the X models).
post #8 of 30
Thread Starter 
I'd buy Panny 58" without any hesitation if I had the money..

but for now that's a little out of the budget...

Is Hitachi 55" HDT79 fairly new? I can't find any reviews of it...or it is just unpopular that no one cares to review it?
post #9 of 30
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Originally Posted by jfroth1 View Post

Hi billybob_jcv,
Are you referring to my post, re: the 'trolling comment from left field?'

If so, you might want to seek out some up-to-date reading material on the latest display technology, and start reading it.

If there's a 55" (or larger) LCD on the market that you would recommend for under $4k then your comment is legitimate, otherwise it's trolling. And that model would be???

netddos: I'd wait a little longer until your budget goes up, the price of 58"-60" plasmas come down, or both. The 55" Hitachi glass is old technology and you will not be happy with the picture.
post #10 of 30
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Originally Posted by billybob_jcv View Post

Don't ALL 55" panels use glass made by Hitachi? That pretty much narrows the list to only a few that I know of: Hitachi, Fujitsu, Electrograph (are they still around?).


Yes they are still around (Electrograph)
post #11 of 30
Vizio was supposed to come out with a 55-inch PDP this Fall, but the set has been delayed, presumably because of supply issues with the glass.
post #12 of 30
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Originally Posted by netddos View Post

I'd buy Panny 58" without any hesitation if I had the money..

but for now that's a little out of the budget...

Is Hitachi 55" HDT79 fairly new? I can't find any reviews of it...or it is just unpopular that no one cares to review it?

Ther HDT79 is the older industrial model.
There's a floor model Viewsonic (last years model thats based on the HTD79) on clearance in CT, but the black level is not that great; its comparable to a 5th generation Pioneer (they have a 505CMX next to it on clearance as well).

The 58" 60U may be had close to your budget. The silver bezel looks less offensive on the larger model.

I would like a decent 55" as well, but the Fujitsu is too pricey.
post #13 of 30
Here's the press release from hitachi. The HDT79 is a current home, not industrial, model.

HITACHI INTRODUCES WORLD'S FIRST 42-INCH PLASMA WITH 1080 LINE DISPLAY
-- New Televisions Feature Sleek Aluminum and Glass Designs --

SAN DIEGO, Calif. - May 30, 2006 - The Ubiquitous Platform Systems Division of Hitachi America, Ltd., a subsidiary of Hitachi, Ltd. (NYSE: HIT), www.hitachi.us/tv, today announced its 2006 plasma television line that combines original technologies and sophisticated designs. The new HDTVs feature 42- and 55-inch screen sizes, and exclusive technologies that produce razor sharp images and deep, rich colors. Hitachi's 42-inch models introduce 1080 vertical lines of resolution to the 42-inch plasma screen size for the first time. This original Hitachi plasma technology creates a line for vertical line match with the dominant 1080i HDTV format. The 55-inch models use similar proprietary technologies that produce more active picture area and a brighter picture.

Hitachi's 2006 UltraVision® models include industry leading connectivity with 3 HDMI and 3 Component inputs for compatibility with today's digital sources. The company's PictureMaster HD III video processing technology features third-generation 1080p processing and new histogram processing for enhanced contrast, sharpness, and color for a clearer, sharper picture. This year's Hitachi plasma models also have extended color capabilities to reproduce the purest reds, greens and blues. Through this latest plasma line, Hitachi is devoted to investment in its core technology, intellectual property and manufacturing.

The world's first 1080 line 42-inch plasma is the result of Hitachi's investments into core plasma technologies, said Bill Whalen, senior product manager, Hitachi America, Ltd., Ubiquitous Platform Systems, Consumer Group. Now consumers can see today's digital signals with a new clarity that only Hitachi plasma technology can deliver. All of our new plasma products utilize advanced proprietary technologies to bring the most realistic image and best picture quality possible to home theater.

UltraVision® HDS69 Plasma HDTV Series
Hitachi's HDS69 series picture is framed by slim aluminum trim and silver side speakers that present the impression that the television is machined from a solid block of aluminum. Both the 42- and 55-inch models include the new PictureMaster HD III processor, featuring dynamic contrast, dynamic histogram processing, maximum 16 bit/281 trillion color capability, automatic 3:2 film processing, 4 HD aspect modes, 6 SD aspect modes, and split screen/picture in picture. The 42HDS69 has 1024 x 1080 resolution using Alternate Lighting of Surfaces (ALiS) panel technology that delivers more than 1.1 million pixels. The 55HDS69, with 1365 x 768 resolution and high-contrast black rib structure is designed for consumers that want big impact in a large screen plasma product. Both models feature the new natural color anti-reflective glass filter, pure HDTV blue and red, high-aperture pixel design, and include:

(3) HDMI audio/video inputs.
(3) Component inputs.
The Quick Start Seamless HDTV and NTSC tuners deliver the picture quickly with seamless access to all available channels.
CableCARD compatibility provides simplified one remote control operation for cable programming on participating systems.
Hitachi's separate Day and Night Memories for each source component deliver superior picture quality. Simply pressing the Day/Night button on the remote or using the automatic timer switches between bright daytime settings and high fidelity nighttime settings.
Six Speaker 36-watt audio system.
Manual tabletop swivel stand (optional for 55-inch).
Additional highlights include an auto link input sensor, simulated surround sound, bass boost, optical digital audio output. The 42HDS69 and 55HDS69 will be priced at $2,499 and $4,299, respectively, and are shipping this month.

UltraVision® CineForm HDT79 Plasma HDTV Series
The 42-inch 42HDT79 and 55-inch 55HDT79 include all of the features of the HDS69 series as well as the TV Guide On Screen® interactive programming guide. Hitachi's signature CineForm Series distinctive design elements include black side speakers that enhance the style of the products. The consumer experience is further refined with a power swivel base that allows instant fine tuning of the viewing angle and is included with the 42-inch, and available as an option for the 55-inch. An Illuminated Roll & Click Remote offers a slim ergonomic design and backlit buttons for easy use. The unique rolling wheels make it easy to quickly change the channels or adjust the volume. The enhanced Digital Color Management III system can store two settings - one for the photo memory card input, and one for all other video settings for true color rendering. The HDT79 series also includes adjustable color decoder, 2 IR outputs, an IR pass through and USB photo input. Both models will be available in July, with the 42HDT79 priced at $2,999 and the 55HDT79 at $4,799.

UltraVision® CineForm Director's Series HDX99 Plasma HDTV Series
Hitachi's top-of-the-line UltraVision® CineForm Director's Series models for 2006 include the 42-inch 42HDX99 and 55-inch 55HDX99 plasma HDTVs. Both models feature a new Deep-Black Natural Color Filter that effectively absorbs ambient room light, reducing reflections for richer blacks and vibrant color.

The 42HDX99 and 55HDX99 models include all of the advanced technologies found in the HDT79 and HDS69 models, including the new PictureMaster HD III digital video processor. The auto color, black & white color temperature, and Custom Color Temperature features present a new level of convenience and image customization to discerning videophiles. The CineForm Director's Series Plasma HDTV line also features an exclusive high-end industrial design with an all black design. For film enthusiasts, the Director's Series features a special Film Quality Image factory setup that provides increased detail in shadows and highlights while maintaining sharp focus and minimal noise.

These Director's Series models feature the exclusive Learning AV NET V with Simple Remote, which concentrates the power of total home theater control into a small hand-held 12-button remote. This convenient and intuitive remote fits comfortably in the palm of the hand and can command an entire home theater system. In addition, these models include IEEE-1394 with full AV control capabilities.

The 42HDX99 and 55HDX99 will both be available in August for the suggested list prices of $3,499 and $5,299, respectively, with a two-year parts and labor warranty.

HDF39 Plasma HDTV Series
The 42-inch 42HDF39 model includes exclusive features and plasma technologies to produce a cinema-like home viewing experience, and features a sleek titanium silver finish with bottom speaker design and a fixed table-top stand. The model also boasts high aperture pixel design and 1024 x 1024 resolution, as well as ATSC and NTSC tuners, 3 color temperatures, 3D comb filter, 20-watt speaker system, and HDMI and component inputs. The 42HDF39 is currently available for the suggested list price of $2,299.

About Hitachi
Hitachi America, Ltd., Ubiquitous Platform Systems Division, produces and markets a wide variety of digital products for business and consumers. The division's Consumer Group markets high-definition plasma televisions and monitors, LCD projection and flat panel HDTVs, LCD projectors, and DVD camcorders and DVD players. The division's Business Group markets LCD projectors, professional plasma monitors, interactive panels and whiteboards and security and observation system products through value added resellers, system integrators, distributors and OEM.

Hitachi has a unique position in the marketplace by manufacturing and developing its own core technologies to provide consumers and businesses with optimal product performance in each of Hitachi's product categories. For consumer products, please visit www.hitachi.us/tv. For business products, please visit www.hitachi.us/digitalmedia. For more information about electronic whiteboards and Starboard software, please visit Hitachi Software at www.hitachi-soft.com. Hitachi brand business products are connected through Hitachi's OneVision program, which makes it possible for any Hitachi business unit dealer to sell Hitachi products from other Hitachi business units.

Hitachi America, Ltd., a subsidiary of Hitachi, Ltd., markets and manufactures a broad range of electronics, computer systems and products, and consumer electronics, and provides industrial equipment and services throughout North America. For more information, visit www.hitachi.us.

Hitachi, Ltd., (NYSE: HIT / TSE: 6501), headquartered in Tokyo, Japan, is a leading global electronics company with approximately 356,000 employees worldwide. Fiscal 2005 (ended March 31, 2006) consolidated sales totaled 9,464 billion yen ($80.9 billion). The company offers a wide range of systems, products and services in market sectors including information systems, electronic devices, power and industrial systems, consumer products, materials and financial services. For more information on Hitachi, please visit the company's website at www.hitachi.com.

Contacts
Cammie Nguyen
Weber Shandwick Worldwide
415.248.3411
cnguyen@webershandwick.com

Patrick Merrill
Weber Shandwick Worldwide
415.248.3416
pmerrill@webershandwick.com

http://www.hitachi.us/Apps/hitachicom/content.jsp?page=PressReleases/details/Hitachi%20Introduces%20World's%20First%2042-Inch%20Plasma%20With%201080%20Line%20Display.html&path=jsp/hitachi/aboutus/Press-Media/
post #14 of 30
I am a huge suporter of Fujitsu Plasmas and have sold a whole bunch of their largest models, LCD's cannot even come close. I must say however that the Hitachi directors series benefits from their alliance to Fujitsu in the manufacturing end. The Hitachi 55 directors series is a steal for what it does. When fed hdmi from the Dish Network DVR it rivals the picture of the all mighty Fujitsu 63" at a fraction of the investment.
post #15 of 30
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Originally Posted by CINERAMAX View Post

I am a huge suporter of Fujitsu Plasmas and have sold a whole bunch of their largest models, LCD's cannot even come close. I must say however that the Hitachi directors series benefits from their alliance to Fujitsu in the manufacturing end. The Hitachi 55 directors series is a steal for what it does. When fed hdmi from the Dish Network DVR it rivals the picture of the all mighty Fujitsu 63" at a fraction of the investment.

Hitachi Plasmas seem to hard to find in my area. Which stores are you finding these displays?
post #16 of 30
Individual HT retailers carry it:

Try contacting the Ultavision rep firm: info@perpetualmarketingonline.com
post #17 of 30
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Originally Posted by RicheyPoor View Post

If there's a 55" (or larger) LCD on the market that you would recommend for under $4k then your comment is legitimate, otherwise it's trolling. And that model would be???

netddos: I'd wait a little longer until your budget goes up, the price of 58"-60" plasmas come down, or both. The 55" Hitachi glass is old technology and you will not be happy with the picture.

I agree to a certain degree (I own a 55" Fujitsu based on the Hitachi glass and it's great - blacks can be weak at night depending on the source but still far better than a lot of displays I've seen - even recently).

If I was shopping today, I might go for the 58" Panasonic though and get an external scaler or perhaps wait for the 65" 1080p Panasonic.
post #18 of 30
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Originally Posted by Halfpipetrick View Post

I agree to a certain degree (I own a 55" Fujitsu based on the Hitachi glass and it's great - blacks can be weak at night depending on the source but still far better than a lot of displays I've seen - even recently).

If I was shopping today, I might go for the 58" Panasonic though and get an external scaler or perhaps wait for the 65" 1080p Panasonic.

The weak blacks on the Hitachi are going to be especially noticable to him when he's coming from a Panasonic with blacks as good as any in the industry. That was the primary reason for my recommendation.
post #19 of 30
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Originally Posted by RicheyPoor View Post

The 55" Hitachi glass is old technology

I was looking at the 55" Hitachi several months ago, but wasn't ready to buy. Any idea when the replacement will be here?
post #20 of 30
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Originally Posted by hbc View Post

I was looking at the 55" Hitachi several months ago, but wasn't ready to buy. Any idea when the replacement will be here?

From eariler in the thread the 2006 models were announced in May of 2006, so it will be some time before a new one.

Which is a shame because 55" is the perfect size for my wall.
post #21 of 30
I happen to think the 55hdx62 is one of the finest bedroom tv sets for it's size and all time best alis panel black level. The contrast ratio on these sets is darn good for the first time, much much better than the fujitsu 5540 which was pretty bad in this regard.

The new fujitsu 63" has 10,000>1 contrast ratio and it is the king of the hill but i would estimate that the 62 has a little bit under 3:000>1 contrast ratio maybe 2600>1? While not a panny black this sucker is big, sharp as hell and has excellent color fidelity. The menus are very well thought out too, and the tv guide works 100%. There are no lockup hdmi handshake issues with it neither.

There is a huge notacble difference on the envelopment of a 55" over a 50". I have been the biggest critic of ALIS for years, not until the Hitachi 55hdx62a did I change my tune.

Oh and it's resistance to burn in is quite good too, for when you watch a dvd movie and fall asleep with the dvd menu frozen on screen for a few hours. That is remarkable.
post #22 of 30
Thread Starter 
So the best bet is to wait for panny 58 incher to come down in prices?

i'm beginning to realize that my option is quite limited with 55 inch..

what about 50 inch? what are some good sets that are under $3500? or even $3000?
post #23 of 30
I realize you are looking at 55 inch, but I recently bought a Philips 50pf9631d Plasma from Circuit City and am very pleased with it at 50 inches.
John
post #24 of 30
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Originally Posted by netddos View Post

So the best bet is to wait for panny 58 incher to come down in prices?

i'm beginning to realize that my option is quite limited with 55 inch..

what about 50 inch? what are some good sets that are under $3500? or even $3000?

If you are really set on getting a 55" PDP I advise you to go to a store that has the new Hitachi Directors series and see if you can watch it in low light/play with the settings and then decide. I think you might like what you see. Otherwise, the Panasonic 50" commercial unit is probably the way to go in your budget range.
post #25 of 30
Samsung 57", Panasonic 58", Hitachi 55" are always in popular requests on here.

Good luck on your search,
Cambryn
post #26 of 30
I had a peek at the 42' director series yesterday in the store, it was playing "the corpse bride" which has alot of black in it and I was suprised how good it looked, i was very impressed. The I got the salesman to put it in a blue-ray disc (the demo disc) and it looks really nice, I've been doin my shopping around and its gonna be either the panasonic 60u or the 42hdt79 from hitachi, wooo woo this is gonna be a hard choice. honestly on reason I like the hitachi better is because its black and ALOT nicer looking than the panny 60u. I'd rate the pq being pretty close for the 2 the panny seems to be brighter but not better . I can get both for the same price, but honestly the only thing that bugs me about the hitachi is the 1024/1080 res, that means it will have to be scaled all ways to sunday when not using 1080i source. My biggest problem is I can'y have a side by side look at the 2 which really sucks poo. I will let ya know what i decide also any inside would be greatly appreciated.
post #27 of 30
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Originally Posted by CINERAMAX View Post

I happen to think the 55hdx62 is one of the finest bedroom tv sets for it's size and all time best alis panel black level. The contrast ratio on these sets is darn good for the first time, much much better than the fujitsu 5540 which was pretty bad in this regard.

The new fujitsu 63" has 10,000>1 contrast ratio and it is the king of the hill but i would estimate that the 62 has a little bit under 3:000>1 contrast ratio maybe 2600>1? While not a panny black this sucker is big, sharp as hell and has excellent color fidelity. The menus are very well thought out too, and the tv guide works 100%. There are no lockup hdmi handshake issues with it neither.

There is a huge notacble difference on the envelopment of a 55" over a 50". I have been the biggest critic of ALIS for years, not until the Hitachi 55hdx62a did I change my tune.

Oh and it's resistance to burn in is quite good too, for when you watch a dvd movie and fall asleep with the dvd menu frozen on screen for a few hours. That is remarkable.

I own a 55HDX99, the sucessor to the HDX62, and I would agree with everything you've said, except for one thing - the 55" Hitachis are not ALiS panels. Only the 42" Hitachis are (and maybe some of this year's 50" models that were just introduced). All the Hitachi 55" models are WXGA technology.

I also believe that this TV is much better than the general "buzz" acknowledges, and it is a real hidden gem. Throw in unmatched aesthetics (OK - Pioneer Elite is probably as nice looking) and you have a real winner. The latest Consumer Reports ratings gave it a 4 out of 5 for HD PQ, which is the same score as the Panasonic TH-50X600. Oddly enough, the Panasonic TH-58X600, which is the same panel as the 50" model, received a "5" in this category. Although you have to take the overall Consumer Reports ratings with a grain of salt (expensive sets don't stand a chance), the individual category ratings can be quite helpful.
post #28 of 30
Uhu Moe. I believe that a good chunk of Fujitsu IP went along with the 50% interest in the plasma factory sold to Hitachi, more so that Fujitsu would like to admit. That being said I am really working hard to one day replace this baby with a Fujitsu 65" 1080p.
post #29 of 30
Fujitsu and Hitachi are in a joint venture for sure. Hitachi makes a great product but is a far, far cry from a Fujitsu and I can not understand why they are not closer in comparision.
post #30 of 30
I agree that Fujitsu makes a better plasma however for a 9 month period last year Hitachi had a better 55".
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