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post #61 of 164
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As long as Windows properly recognizes the drive, then it should work fine. Many people have used it that way, but there have been a few problem reports...

Henry
post #62 of 164
I am using an External USB enclosure in attempting to read my RTV drive.

I am able to figure out which physical drive it is and I execute the following commands with the following results:

C:\\Extract RTV>extract_rtv5.exe -l
This looks like a ReplayTV 4000 or 5000 series drive!
Enabling the byte-reversing code
ReplayTV drive detected: \\\\.\\PhysicalDrive2
Partition Type Start Length
1 0x4d 2 1024000
2 0x4d 1024002 157109400
3 0x4d 158133402 1953126
4 0x00 0 0

Select partition: 2
Cluster read error: Permission denied

C:\\Extract RTV>

I get the same "Permission denied" message if I try:
extract_rtv5.exe \\\\.\\PhysicalDrive2 -p2 -dr

Am I doing something wrong or is my drive too hosed to get any of my recording off of it?
post #63 of 164
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Originally Posted by Vincent Kennedy View Post

I am using an External USB enclosure in attempting to read my RTV drive.

I am able to figure out which physical drive it is and I execute the following commands with the following results:

C:\\Extract RTV>extract_rtv5.exe -l
This looks like a ReplayTV 4000 or 5000 series drive!
Enabling the byte-reversing code
ReplayTV drive detected: \\\\.\\PhysicalDrive2
Partition Type Start Length
1 0x4d 2 1024000
2 0x4d 1024002 157109400
3 0x4d 158133402 1953126
4 0x00 0 0

Select partition: 2
Cluster read error: Permission denied

C:\\Extract RTV>

I get the same "Permission denied" message if I try:
extract_rtv5.exe \\\\.\\PhysicalDrive2 -p2 -dr

Am I doing something wrong or is my drive too hosed to get any of my recording off of it?

Well, it looks like at least the partition table of your drive is OK, so it must be able to read from it. I wonder if it is some kind of access problem because you are using the USB connection.

By the way, when you ran it with "-p2 -dr", you should have seen a message that it overrode your partition setting and was using the first partition (which is where the recording information is stored). So, in effect, you attempted to read from both the first and second partitions unsuccessfully.

It would be nice if FlipFlop could comment here because I'm not exactly sure why you would be able to access the partition table of that hard drive but not the other sectors. Maybe you should make sure that you are administrator when you are running extract_rtv5. You could also try hooking up the hard drive internally by swapping it with your CD/DVD drive and see if that makes a difference (I'd love to know).

I also could make a more diagnostic version of extract_rtv5 to see if we could figure out why it is having problems. I'm not sure where we'd get with that, but it might at least be nice to find out. Hopefully the error is exactly what it says and you just don't have permission to be accessing the drive because you aren't administrator...

Henry
post #64 of 164
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One more thing, assuming you downloaded version 68 of extract_rtv5 from SourceForge.net, please try download version 66 and see if that makes any difference.

Henry
post #65 of 164
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I posted version 69 of extract_rtv5 at SourceForge.net. This version has slightly improved error messages.

Henry
post #66 of 164
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Hmmm... One more idea... Can you try running RTVPatch on the drive and see if you can backup the system?

Henry
post #67 of 164
Tried 69 and got this slightly different error message:


C:\\Extract RTV>extract_rtv5.exe -dr
This looks like a ReplayTV 4000 or 5000 series drive!
Enabling the byte-reversing code
ReplayTV drive detected: \\\\.\\PhysicalDrive2
Cluster 3 (offset 13312) read error: Permission denied
post #68 of 164
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent Kennedy View Post

Tried 69 and got this slightly different error message:


C:\\Extract RTV>extract_rtv5.exe -dr
This looks like a ReplayTV 4000 or 5000 series drive!
Enabling the byte-reversing code
ReplayTV drive detected: \\\\.\\PhysicalDrive2
Cluster 3 (offset 13312) read error: Permission denied

OK, that got an error pretty much at the begining of the hard drive, and there is nothing strange with the offset it calculated (LSN 26). So, it doesn't look like a program error. It still might be nice to check version 66 to see if it has the same problem. And, you should double check that you are running as administrator...

And, you should try using RTVPatch to backup the system to see if it has the same problem or not. If it has the same problem, then it is likely it is something about connecting it up through the USB. In that case, I would definitely try hooking the drive up internally by using the CD/DVD IDE connector and power cable...

Henry
post #69 of 164
I ran version 66. Got the same error.

I do not have IDE capability on my motherboard so I cannot hook it up that way. All drives (including my opticals) are SATA.
post #70 of 164
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Please try running RTVPatch and see if you can backup the source system...

And, have you double checked that you are running as administrator?

Most SATA motherboards still have a regular IDE (not enhanced) connector to support an old style CD/DVD drive. If you can find that you have a 40-pin connector on your mother board somewhere, you can use the ribbon cable out of your Replay to hook up the hard drive and try it out internally...

Henry
post #71 of 164
I am running as an administrator.

The motherboard does not support IDE. The only other connector besides the SATA is the floppy drive and that is a 34 pin connector not 40.

To use RTVPatch I need a completely new drive to backup to don't I? (So I would have to connect 2 IDE Devices to the system) or can I back up the RTV drive to a directory on one of my SATA hard drives (With the rest of the data on the SATA drive remaining intact).
post #72 of 164
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent Kennedy View Post

I am running as an administrator.

The motherboard does not support IDE. The only other connector besides the SATA is the floppy drive and that is a 34 pin connector not 40.

To use RTVPatch I need a completely new drive to backup to don't I? (So I would have to connect 2 IDE Devices to the system) or can I back up the RTV drive to a directory on one of my SATA hard drives (With the rest of the data on the SATA drive remaining intact).

No, Backup creates a 500MB file on your local hard drive, and opens the normal create file dialog box to create the file on your system (normally a .rtv file). Copy is the function that goes from one Replay hard drive to another Replay hard drive...

Henry
post #73 of 164
Well I ran RTVPatch and got no better results:

0) WDC WD1600ADFD-75NLR1 - (160 GB) - May be PC Disk
1) WDC WD1600ADFD-75NLR1 - (160 GB) - May be PC Disk
2) Unknown - (81 GB) - ReplayTV 4xxx/5xxx Disk

Source: 2) Unknown - ( 81GB ) - ReplayTV Disk
Target: Select a drive from the list and click 'Set'

RTVPatch version 2.5.3, built on Mar 2 2005, 18:56:07
\\\\.\\PhysicalDrive0 (WDC WD1600ADFD-75NLR1) : Used WinXP drive size detection
\\\\.\\PhysicalDrive0 (WDC WD1600ADFD-75NLR1) : Detected size = 312500000 sectors
\\\\.\\PhysicalDrive1 (WDC WD1600ADFD-75NLR1) : Used WinXP drive size detection
\\\\.\\PhysicalDrive1 (WDC WD1600ADFD-75NLR1) : Detected size = 312500000 sectors
\\\\.\\PhysicalDrive2 : DFP_GET_VERSION failed (not a hard drive?)
\\\\.\\PhysicalDrive2 (Unknown) : Used WinXP drive size detection
\\\\.\\PhysicalDrive2 (Unknown) : Detected size = 160086528 sectors
Copy from source '\\\\.\\PhysicalDrive2' at offset 0
Copy to destination 'D:\\old5080.rtv' at offset 0
Copying 1024002 blocks (500MB)
ERROR: Failed to read block 0 from source - retry 1
ERROR: Failed to read block 0 from source - retry 2
ERROR: Failed to read block 0 from source - retry 3
ERROR: Failed to read block 0 from source - retry 4
ERROR: Failed to read block 0 from source - retry 5
ERROR: Failed to read block 16 from source - retry 1
ERROR: Failed to read block 16 from source - retry 2
ERROR: Failed to read block 16 from source - retry 3
ERROR: Failed to read block 16 from source - retry 4
ERROR: Failed to read block 16 from source - retry 5
ERROR: Failed to read block 16 from source - retry 6
ERROR: Failed to read block 24 from source - retry 1
ERROR: Failed to read block 24 from source - retry 2
ERROR: Failed to read block 24 from source - retry 3
ERROR: Failed to read block 24 from source - retry 4
ERROR: Failed to read block 24 from source - retry 5
ERROR: Failed to read block 24 from source - retry 6
ERROR: Failed to read block 24 from source - retry 7
ERROR: Failed to read block 24 from source - retry 8
ERROR: Failed to read block 26 from source - retry 1
ERROR: Failed to read block 26 from source - retry 2
ERROR: Failed to read block 26 from source - retry 3
ERROR: Failed to read block 26 from source - retry 4
ERROR: Failed to read block 26 from source - retry 5
ERROR: Failed to read block 26 from source - retry 6
ERROR: Failed to read block 26 from source - retry 7
ERROR: Failed to read block 26 from source - retry 8
ERROR: Failed to read block 26 from source - retry 9
ERROR: Failed to read block 26 from source - skipping this block

This continued for many MANY more lines and finally got this:

ERROR: Failed to read block 119240 from source - reached failure limit - aborting copy!!!
*** Backup complete
post #74 of 164
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I think you're going to have to try either a different PC, or a different USB adapter. The fact that RTVPatch can't even read the drive identification doesn't seem good. Maybe it is something about the USB driver, but it doesn't seem to be working correctly. I have read (in this forum) about a simple USB adapter that just plugs into the loose drive, and has a power adapter as well, and people reported it working. You'd have to serach through this forum to find it, or maybe someone who had success with it will post a link to it again. Otherwise, see if you can't find some PC with an IDE connector to use instead...

Henry
post #75 of 164
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I posted version 70 at SourceForge.net. There is no change in the program for Windows, but I posted a Mac OS X universal binary as well with this version...

Henry
post #76 of 164
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Thanks to KenL, extract_rtv5 version 71 is posted at SourceForge. This version fixes to properly output movie show information, which has been broken since version 60. It also restores functionallity with RTVExplorer, which quit working with version 66 when I added for the -l option to output the file creation date. I added a -lv option to use instead to output the file creation date and the total number of files and bytes listed...

Henry
post #77 of 164
Hi Folks, I am trying to use RTV explorer & when I use extract rtv 5 in "dos" mode It has no problems finding the drive. However on RTV Explorer I get the following message :

CreateProcessFailed!
C:\\prog files\
tvtoolbox\\extract rtv 5.exe -l
Error: 2

The drive is in a external usb case at the moment.

Any ideas ?

Thanks
post #78 of 164
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Originally Posted by choli0090 View Post

Hi Folks, I am trying to use RTV explorer & when I use extract rtv 5 in "dos" mode It has no problems finding the drive. However on RTV Explorer I get the following message :

CreateProcessFailed!
C:\\prog files\
tvtoolbox\\extract rtv 5.exe -l
Error: 2

The drive is in a external usb case at the moment.

Any ideas ?

Thanks

I looks like your configuration in RTVExplorer for extract_rtv is set incorrectly (looks like "extract rtv 5.exe" with spaces in it). In RTVExplorer under "Settings->More Setting ands Tools" in "Program Settings" there is a field entry for "extract_rtv.exe" which should have the name of the application to run extract_rtv5.exe. I'm not sure what you did to put version 71 instead of the version 53 that comes with RTVExplorer, but usually the easist thing to do is to simply overwrite the version 53 with version 71. Anyway, if you happened to name the version 71 application "extract rtv 5.exe", then you need to put quotes around the file name into the RTVExplorer setting because the command line cannot handle spaces inside a file name. Or, you completely entered the information incorrectly, I don't know. But, the field should be the name of the application to run, usually extract_rtv5.exe...

Henry

*UPDATE* I just tried renaming extract_rtv5.exe as "extract rtv 5.exe" and entered that application name into RTVExplorer WITHOUT quotes, and it worked just fine. So, I have to assume that the problem is that you entered the name of extract_rtv5 version 71 incorrectly into RTVExplorer, or you didn't install it in the same directory as RTVExploerer...
post #79 of 164
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Thanks to odie34 and Mike Menard (Mikeyboy), extract_rtv5 version 72 is posted at SourceForge.net. This version adds full support for Replay 4000's and 4500's. Previous versions of extract_rtv5 do NOT support the Replay 4500 as advertised.

In addition, I fixed for the -dx, -dsx, -udx, and -udsx options not to include deleted shows. And, I changed for the -dsx and -udsx options to not display snapshot information.

I would like to add that in testing creating XML files, I find that using the -dx and -dsx options can create different results. For example, the -dx option may include shows that were recording when the Replay crashed. And, I have also found that the -dsx option may include shows not included using the -dx option. Since most applications (like DVArchive and WiRNS) use the snapshot file, I would recommend that using the -dsx option would be the most accurate...

Henry
post #80 of 164
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May I have a drum roll please... With HUGE help from Mike Menard (Mikeyboy), I'm very pleased to announce the posting of extract_rtv5 version 73 at SourceForge.net! This version adds full support for ReplayTVs and ShowStoppers with version 3.x software (2000/3000 models). This allows extract_rtv5 to be used in combination with RTVExplorer for GUI access to 2000/3000 hard drives (since Extract GUI is unavailable).

Extract_rtv5 version 73 does NOT allow creating XML files from version 3.x shows, but it DOES add full show information using any of the verbose description options. It also corrects problems with outputting show and theme information which contain special ANSI characters (such as single quote).

In addition, it adds basic version 2.x support for outputting recording descriptions for the PV-SS2710 (but NOT show information). But, this was only tested on an image with a single show recording. So, if anyone else has any 2710 hard drives with shows on them, I would LOVE to get system partition image files so I could add further support for the 2710.

So, check out version 73 at SourceForge.net and give a BIG thank you to Mike Menard!

Henry
post #81 of 164
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Originally Posted by hdonzis View Post

In addition, it adds basic version 2.x support for outputting recording descriptions for the PV-SS2710 (but NOT show information). But, this was only tested on an image with a single show recording. So, if anyone else has any 2710 hard drives with shows on them, I would LOVE to get system partition image files so I could add further support for the 2710.

icecow has an SS-2710 (or at least he used to)
post #82 of 164
Thank you Henry! It is people like you that gave their time and energy to create the tools we use to tinker with our Replaytv's. We're lucky to have you
post #83 of 164
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeyboy View Post

Thank you Henry! It is people like you that gave their time and energy to create the tools we use to tinker with our Replaytv's. We're lucky to have you

Aw, shucks! Thanks! I enjoy tinkering with the old images. But, hats off to YOU for doing all the testing that I asked for. I want everyone to know that Mikeyboy sent me several different images over several days with all kinds of different recordings and shows that I requested from him. I really felt bad asking him to keep changing things and then having to take the hard drive back in and out all the time. So, it was Mikeyboy's help that made this all possible!

Henry
post #84 of 164
I can get hdonzis a 2710 image, but it might take me forever.

Hdonzis, will you still be interested in the image if it takes me two months?

The unit is at someone else's house and my life is backlogged right now.

It's entirely possible (but less probable) that I can rotate it in within a few weeks.

In other words I have no clue when, but I intend to get that too you.
post #85 of 164
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Originally Posted by icecow View Post

I can get hdonzis a 2710 image, but it might take me forever.

Hdonzis, will you still be interested in the image if it takes me two months?

The unit is at someone else's house and my life is backlogged right now.

It's entirely possible (but less probable) that I can rotate it in within a few weeks.

In other words I have no clue when, but I intend to get that too you.

You can call me Henry! It doesn't matter to me how long it takes. I would just like to get the information somewhere before it gets lost. I thought that there used to be a ShowStopper technical information page, but I can't find anything like the information available on the 4000/5000. And, it appears to me that the 2710 is unique in that it has 3 line inputs instead of the standard 2 line inputs, so that makes its code unique (maybe just a little bit). On all the other Replays I have seen, the tuner is device 3, whereas on the 2710 it is device 4...

I hope you don't mind leaving it open to run a bunch of experiments. Mike Menard took the drive in and out of his ShowStopper about half a dozen times to provide me with the information that I needed. Although, maybe knowing to just set up every different kind of recording will be enough to try to get all the information in just one or two times.

What I was hoping was that maybe you had an old hard drive that you had pulled which still had show information on it. That would be good for starters...

Henry
post #86 of 164
Quote:
Originally Posted by hdonzis View Post

You can call me Henry! It doesn't matter to me how long it takes. I would just like to get the information somewhere before it gets lost. I thought that there used to be a ShowStopper technical information page, but I can't find anything like the information available on the 4000/5000. And, it appears to me that the 2710 is unique in that it has 3 line inputs instead of the standard 2 line inputs, so that makes its code unique (maybe just a little bit). On all the other Replays I have seen, the tuner is device 3, whereas on the 2710 it is device 4...

It also only runs RTV-O/S v2.0. It was never upgraded to V-3.02

PS: you do know about the SS2710 image here? right?
http://serenity.rgb.cc:2866/replaytv...0comboV2.0.zip
post #87 of 164
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Originally Posted by rm -rf *.* View Post

It also only runs RTV-O/S v2.0. It was never upgraded to V-3.02

Yep:

Quote:
Originally Posted by hdonzis View Post

In addition, it adds basic version 2.x support for outputting recording descriptions for the PV-SS2710

I wouldn't be surprised if the reason has something to do with the 2710 having three line inputs instead of two...

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Originally Posted by rm -rf *.* View Post

PS: you do know about the SS2710 image here? right?
http://serenity.rgb.cc:2866/replaytv...0comboV2.0.zip

Yep:

Quote:
Originally Posted by hdonzis View Post

But, this was only tested on an image with a single show recording.

That was the image that I used. It has a single show recording of "As the World Turns"...

Henry
post #88 of 164
Quote:
Originally Posted by hdonzis View Post

I wouldn't be surprised if the reason has something to do with the 2710 having three line inputs instead of two...

My guess is that plus that it was kind of a flop in the sales department. V2.0 works on it. No point spending money on developing an upgrade for a product very few people wanted and even less actually purchased.

Quote:
Originally Posted by hdonzis View Post

That was the image that I used. It has a single show recording of "As the World Turns"...

Oh joy....
post #89 of 164
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rm -rf *.* View Post

My guess is that plus that it was kind of a flop in the sales department. V2.0 works on it. No point spending money on developing an upgrade for a product very few people wanted and even less actually purchased.

But, if it hadn't been different, then it would have just worked with newer firmware/software. I'm not sure what goes wrong if you use V3.x on it, but I might assume that it would try to record from Input 3 instead of the tuner as one problem...

Henry
post #90 of 164
Quote:
Originally Posted by hdonzis View Post

But, if it hadn't been different, then it would have just worked with newer firmware/software. I'm not sure what goes wrong if you use V3.x on it, but I might assume that it would try to record from Input 3 instead of the tuner as one problem...

Henry

Might also fry it.

IIRC, it's more than just an extra input, there's some different hardware in there.
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