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post #571 of 1314
I looked at it -- 27 menus, nothing that I could tell would fix a Cb Cr x/y offset. There was a setting called COMP15k Cb offset (set to 514) and COMP15k Cy offset (set to 515) but I think that has to do with brightness, not position.

There are settings in there to change the gamma, just in case anyone really wants to do that. The navigation on the menus is awkward, use the up down arrows to choose the menu, the channel up/down to choose the submenu, and the side keys to alter a setting. Some of the settings go into a diagnostic mode that you cannot get out of without power cycling the set again.

A lot of those settings aren't labeled at all, so maybe the software developers put in back doors to hack things.

I would advise NOT going into this menu withotu a technician, since I am not sure how to recover the factory defaults if one fo the settings goes awry. It was also not clear if they took immediately, or if the set needed to be restarted, or if they could be tested and reverted or not safely.
post #572 of 1314
If the last three photo comparisons aren't enough to convince someone at Sharp that there's a problem, I don't know what will. I'm really curious to see what response they will offer, if any.
post #573 of 1314
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Originally Posted by vandl View Post

I looked at it -- 27 menus, nothing that I could tell would fix a Cb Cr x/y offset. There was a setting called COMP15k Cb offset (set to 514) and COMP15k Cy offset (set to 515) but I think that has to do with brightness, not position.

There are settings in there to change the gamma, just in case anyone really wants to do that. The navigation on the menus is awkward, use the up down arrows to choose the menu, the channel up/down to choose the submenu, and the side keys to alter a setting. Some of the settings go into a diagnostic mode that you cannot get out of without power cycling the set again.

A lot of those settings aren't labeled at all, so maybe the software developers put in back doors to hack things.

I would advise NOT going into this menu withotu a technician, since I am not sure how to recover the factory defaults if one fo the settings goes awry. It was also not clear if they took immediately, or if the set needed to be restarted, or if they could be tested and reverted or not safely.


Can you post some pics of the Service menu !
post #574 of 1314
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Originally Posted by DouglasteR View Post

Can you post some pics of the Service menu !

Yeah, it'd be cool to take a pic because I just got a harmony universal remote and one of the default buttons was "service" and some crazy numbers came on the screen. It'd be cool to see if it is the service menu (not sure what else it could be).
post #575 of 1314
Hello all,

New owner of LC 37D 90U after replacing my LC 37G4U. Nice tv although i wish it had side speakers, a little thicker than my previous because of the AVC BOX and so far my DVI and HDMI problems I had with the LC 37G4U are not present. I do have to report a lot of backlight bleed though and I think the viewing angle is as my old tv although they advertise better viewing angles.
Menu settings a little slugish yes but nothing serious.
My laptop is VGA so i connect for now with VGA TO DVI and I can not see the problems you guys are facing.
However, I would appreciate is someone can tell me where I can get those tests you are running so I can see if I have the same problem.
Also for those who have backlight bleed have you come up with something?

Thank you

Jim
post #576 of 1314
greek boy: Just bring up the test images that have been posted, mostly by vandl. Be sure to use the original images, not the photos of how the images look on the display.

Could you let us know what resolution you're connecting at and what you have as your "view mode"? Thanks.
post #577 of 1314
greek boy - what do you have your "backlight" setting at? Try turning it down a bit and see how the backlight bleeding is then.
post #578 of 1314
These two images also clearly illustrate the unusual behavior with computer output over DVI. The pure green pixels you're seeing are from a laptop LCD (digital). The Sharp is not pure green as it should be. Note the addition of both red (more prominent) and blue pixels. This is not caused by camera blur. Both images are motion-free.

Why are the extra colors there with the 37D90U? I wonder how Sharp will explain this.
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post #579 of 1314
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Originally Posted by ZZen View Post

greek boy - what do you have your "backlight" setting at? Try turning it down a bit and see how the backlight bleeding is then.

ZZen the backlight bleed was when everything was in the middle....... i did turn down the backlight to -3 and the brightness to -12 and it is better but is that normal? On my previous TV did not have that experience. And as far as angle viewing colors are washed out. Looking it in the center is very good.
post #580 of 1314
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Originally Posted by rjcarr316 View Post

greek boy: Just bring up the test images that have been posted, mostly by vandl. Be sure to use the original images, not the photos of how the images look on the display.

Could you let us know what resolution you're connecting at and what you have as your "view mode"? Thanks.


rjcarr316 I will do that and will let you know. Right now I will connect with VGA to DVI @ 1024x768 @75hz and I will also try at 1280. But I think I read that you guys have this problem at 1920.. I will get a laptop with DVI next week and will try that aswell and will post whatever I find.
post #581 of 1314
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Originally Posted by jdryyz View Post

These two images also clearly illustrate the unusual behavior with computer output over DVI. The pure green pixels you're seeing are from a laptop LCD (digital). The Sharp is not pure green as it should be. Note the addition of both red (more prominent) and blue pixels. This is not caused by camera blur. Both images are motion-free.

Why are the extra colors there with the 37D90U? I wonder how Sharp will explain this.

One possibility is an attempt to modify the color space of the display to compensate for a green primary that is not close to the HDTV standard.
post #582 of 1314
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Originally Posted by greek boy View Post

Hello all,

New owner of LC 37D 90U after replacing my LC 37G4U. Nice tv although i wish it had side speakers, a little thicker than my previous because of the AVC BOX and so far my DVI and HDMI problems I had with the LC 37G4U are not present. I do have to report a lot of backlight bleed though and I think the viewing angle is as my old tv although they advertise better viewing angles.
Menu settings a little slugish yes but nothing serious.
My laptop is VGA so i connect for now with VGA TO DVI and I can not see the problems you guys are facing.
However, I would appreciate is someone can tell me where I can get those tests you are running so I can see if I have the same problem.
Also for those who have backlight bleed have you come up with something?

Thank you

Jim

try these ---> http://www.pbase.com/jackcnd/1080p_tests

hope that helps...

kohi
post #583 of 1314
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Originally Posted by vandl View Post

A full screen shot:

seeing similar results on my 37d90u DVI ---> DVI...

anyone have any word from Sharp on this?
post #584 of 1314
Hmmm....so you're suggesting that since the primary role of the set is for HDTV viewing, the other input sources are not going to look as good. Did I interpret that correctly? If that is true, there may be no hope in finding a solution to this...unless we don't mind having the HD output affected in a negative way.

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Originally Posted by barrysb View Post

One possibility is an attempt to modify the color space of the display to compensate for a green primary that is not close to the HDTV standard.
post #585 of 1314
I run some tests on the tv with my laptop. Connection is VGA to DVI 1024x768@75hz. Results are pretty bad. There are a lot of color registration issues. I run the same test on laptop and my dell monitor and were perfect.
I will borrow next week a laptop with dvi and see what I get there.. i am sure i will have the same results. I used a different test. The program is called display mate.

Trying to put the files on here so you guys can see but it says file too big. Any suggestions?
post #586 of 1314
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Originally Posted by jdryyz View Post

Hmmm....so you're suggesting that since the primary role of the set is for HDTV viewing, the other input sources are not going to look as good. Did I interpret that correctly? If that is true, there may be no hope in finding a solution to this...unless we don't mind having the HD output affected in a negative way.

Yes, depending on how Sharp may have implemented a Color Management System (CMS), this could be true. However, it should be possible to have different settings for different inputs, allowing HDMI inputs to have different CMS settings than DVI and a third for 480i. But perhaps in a cost cutting measure, Sharp elected not to provide this capability in the 37D90. If it is there, it's within the service menu settings.
post #587 of 1314
That's what I'm hoping for. Perhaps it is a simple matter of turning a setting on or off for certain inputs.

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Originally Posted by barrysb View Post

Yes, depending on how Sharp may have implemented a Color Management System (CMS), this could be true. However, it should be possible to have different settings for different inputs, allowing HDMI inputs to have different CMS settings than DVI and a third for 480i. But perhaps in a cost cutting measure, Sharp elected not to provide this capability in the 37D90. If it is there, it's within the service menu settings.
post #588 of 1314
See if you can generate a 1280x720 screen. I've found that it is more pleasing for certain content, specifically computer games. I wouldn't want to keep my desktop at this res, but it is good match for gaming.

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Originally Posted by greek boy View Post

I run some tests on the tv with my laptop. Connection is VGA to DVI 1024x768@75hz. Results are pretty bad. There are a lot of color registration issues. I run the same test on laptop and my dell monitor and were perfect.
I will borrow next week a laptop with dvi and see what I get there.. i am sure i will have the same results. I used a different test. The program is called display mate.

Trying to put the files on here so you guys can see but it says file too big. Any suggestions?
post #589 of 1314
I connected my samsung hd 950 dvd and tried spiderman. I upconverted the signal to 1080i. I think at some points during the movie i noticed ghosting. Anyone else have noticed that or was it my imagination? I might run it again and see a second time.

jdr i will run it on that resolution to see if I can get it to display and how it looks.

Also when i connect with component cables the colors on the screen are different from when I connect with DVI or HDMI. They appear to be darker. Not sure if they are more accurate but certainly better than having that washed out look from the digital connections
post #590 of 1314
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Originally Posted by greek boy View Post

I connected my samsung hd 950 dvd and tried spiderman. I upconverted the signal to 1080i. I think at some points during the movie i noticed ghosting. Anyone else have noticed that or was it my imagination? I might run it again and see a second time.

jdr i will run it on that resolution to see if I can get it to display and how it looks.

Also when i connect with component cables the colors on the screen are different from when I connect with DVI or HDMI. They appear to be darker. Not sure if they are more accurate but certainly better than having that washed out look from the digital connections

The ghosting is either in your head or its just your DVD player not doing its job well. I can promise you there is no ghosting on this set with a pixel response time of 6ms. I use my 360 quite a bit with this set and have noticed a huge difference on this set compared to my old 37D7U which would blur slightly in fast moving games. The 37D90U does not have that problem at all, games look amazing with not a hint of bluring (unless the developers intended to put it in the game) So it is def your DVD player I would think.

As far as the different look using different cables, yes that is normal. HDMI and DVI produce better colors and I noticed are also much better at producing better blacks.
post #591 of 1314
One is analog, the others digital. There will be inherent differences in appearance with the two, but more importantly, the Sharp has the ability to memorize palette settings for each input that should be optimized for the content being displayed. The default palette for component could be vastly different than the one for DVI or HDMI. You'll have to look at the settings for each.

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Originally Posted by greek boy View Post

jdr i will run it on that resolution to see if I can get it to display and how it looks.

Also when i connect with component cables the colors on the screen are different from when I connect with DVI or HDMI. They appear to be darker. Not sure if they are more accurate but certainly better than having that washed out look from the digital connections
post #592 of 1314
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Originally Posted by mikecoscia View Post

The ghosting is either in your head or its just your DVD player not doing its job well. I can promise you there is no ghosting on this set with a pixel response time of 6ms. I use my 360 quite a bit with this set and have noticed a huge difference on this set compared to my old 37D7U which would blur slightly in fast moving games. The 37D90U does not have that problem at all, games look amazing with not a hint of bluring (unless the developers intended to put it in the game) So it is def your DVD player I would think.

As far as the different look using different cables, yes that is normal. HDMI and DVI produce better colors and I noticed are also much better at producing better blacks.

Well i guess i will accept it is in my head for now because the same unit was not doing that with my previous set were the response time was 12ms and it certainly does not do it with my other lcd tv. I will have to play it once more and see if i see the same results.

As far as the colors I know it is normal but as you said I would expect the colors to be better when connecting digital and not washed out.
post #593 of 1314
Ok guys.... after being on this forum from the get go... still cannot figure out if 90U is the TV for me or not... been living without a TV for 6 weeks now

So, please tell me if this TV is: "The best 37" LCD for dual use of TV/Monitor?"

I am gonna hook up my PC to this and use this TV as my main PC monitor, as well as gaming monitor. There are LOTS of reports about color issues with PCs hooked up. ANYONE WITHOUT THOSE ISSUES?

Just wondering if it's the same issue on ALL sets or just on a few of them?!

Thanks a lot!
post #594 of 1314
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Originally Posted by alexb76 View Post

Ok guys.... after being on this forum from the get go... still cannot figure out if 90U is the TV for me or not... been living without a TV for 6 weeks now

So, please tell me if this TV is: "The best 37" LCD for dual use of TV/Monitor?"

I am gonna hook up my PC to this and use this TV as my main PC monitor, as well as gaming monitor. There are LOTS of reports about color issues with PCs hooked up. ANYONE WITHOUT THOSE ISSUES?

Just wondering if it's the same issue on ALL sets or just on a few of them?!

Thanks a lot!


I have already bought the Sharp for me, its shipping throught the ocean as we speak, The red push is not THAT evident, and it can be adjusted using the service menu, Soon or later ( i wish soon ) it will be solved, the Sharp have the best blacks, contrast, quality plus 6 ms response time. You cant go wrong !! I have considered the Sceptre 37, the Westy 37, and the Sharp surpass both with glory !
post #595 of 1314
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Originally Posted by alexb76 View Post

Ok guys.... after being on this forum from the get go... still cannot figure out if 90U is the TV for me or not... been living without a TV for 6 weeks now

So, please tell me if this TV is: "The best 37" LCD for dual use of TV/Monitor?"

I am gonna hook up my PC to this and use this TV as my main PC monitor, as well as gaming monitor. There are LOTS of reports about color issues with PCs hooked up. ANYONE WITHOUT THOSE ISSUES?

Just wondering if it's the same issue on ALL sets or just on a few of them?!

Thanks a lot!

Sounds like it's the same on all of the 37d90u's. I was hoping I could use it as a PC monitor along with HDTV. I'm still considering purchase based on the HDTV performance alone. If it was only that it would be a shoo-in.

-RC
post #596 of 1314
I have been using this as my main pc monitor for like 2 weeks now.

I turned off clear type. And use the HDMI input for my PC and it works good for me.
The bleeding issue isn't that noticable with cleartype off and HDMI mode.

For gamers I thought you'd find this informative:
When using my HDMI input - I set the game resolution to 800x600 - the monitor will scale it to 720p and fit the whole screen. I've been playing BF 2142 and Quake 4 like that fine.
You can also use the DVI input and set the game to 800x600 or something and it will be native one to one if you want with no scaling.

For the person who wanted to use the DVI input instead of the HDMI because he liked that the PC sounds could go through the speakers:
You can use HDMI input 4 and pipe the soundcard into the RCA jacks. (1/8th headphone to RCA)

All and all, I'm really happy with this LCD and would reccomend it to anyone that wants a larger PC and TV LCD in one.
The QAM works great, Over The Air High Def comes in strong, stronger than my PC Cards.
post #597 of 1314
Anyone have experience with DVD players w/ the Faroudja chipset like the Oppo 971H? Any MB issues w/ the 37D90U?
post #598 of 1314
Quote:
Originally Posted by alexb76 View Post

Ok guys.... after being on this forum from the get go... still cannot figure out if 90U is the TV for me or not... been living without a TV for 6 weeks now

So, please tell me if this TV is: "The best 37" LCD for dual use of TV/Monitor?"

I am gonna hook up my PC to this and use this TV as my main PC monitor, as well as gaming monitor. There are LOTS of reports about color issues with PCs hooked up. ANYONE WITHOUT THOSE ISSUES?

Just wondering if it's the same issue on ALL sets or just on a few of them?!

Thanks a lot!

Just to confuse you more - I was looking at this one but then saw that some of the 40" TVs are slim and trim, not heavy and potentially in about the same $ range ... the Samsung 4095D and the JVC LT40FH97
post #599 of 1314
Leslie,

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I have been using this as my main pc monitor for like 2 weeks now.

Have you been using it at 1920x1080? How far away are you sitting from the screen?

I too am looking for a dual use HD-TV/monitor (90% monitor, 10% TV). I need to spend a lot of time working in front of this thing, and the problems (particularly the text problems) are a no-starter for me.

Has anyone heard anything from Sharp on this issue?

My other possibility is to go with the Westinghouse W3 and add an HD-TIVO for the TV part of the set.

Any comments?

--Mark
post #600 of 1314
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Originally Posted by DrMark View Post

Leslie,



Have you been using it at 1920x1080? How far away are you sitting from the screen?

I too am looking for a dual use HD-TV/monitor (90% monitor, 10% TV). I need to spend a lot of time working in front of this thing, and the problems (particularly the text problems) are a no-starter for me.

Has anyone heard anything from Sharp on this issue?

My other possibility is to go with the Westinghouse W3 and add an HD-TIVO for the TV part of the set.

Any comments?

--Mark

I am using it at 1920x1080p.
Sitting about 2 1/2 feet from it most the time.
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