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post #2731 of 5064
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Originally Posted by JonSturgeon View Post

Thanks for the reply. I called Panasonic directly at 800-524-1448 and the guy there knew the answer right away - none of the consumer table stands are compatible with the industrial plasmas.

Jon

They sometimes give answers that they are "supposed" to give I guess.

I personally have used the Panasonic consumer stand (from the 50PX6U) on my Panasonic pro model (50PH9UK), and it works perfectly.

The only problem is the color doesn't match (silver) and the shape is different. Therefor Panasonic says it's "non compatable" I guess it is not compatable in a decorative sense only ;-)

It is so hard to get any usefull advise from some manufacturers.
post #2732 of 5064
Hi, all --

I am enjoying my new 50" 9UK very much, except for one thing -- switching aspect ratios. I have searched the thread fairly carefully (I think) and haven't seen an answer. I can't switch aspect ratios on SD cable shows, "FULL" is the only option. I think it must be the fault of a setting on my cable box, but I can't figure out what it is.

I have comcast cable going into a Motorola dual-tuner DVR (I think the model # is 6412). From there, component out into a switcher, then to the 9UK. The button on the bottom left of the remote does nothing when I'm watching cable. However, I can change the aspect settings when I'm playing a DVD or XBOX through the same component switcher, so I don't think it's a problem with the TV itself.

It doesn't matter whether I'm watching a show I DVR'ed or live TV, and I do not think that the problem is that I'm watching an HD show on an SD channel or vice versa (last night, for example, I was watching comedy central). Nor do I think that I have set the box to send all output as 720p or 1080i (although if anyone could help me confirm this I would appreciate it).

Even though I am past the 100 hour mark, I really do not want to watch with the black bars. Actually, now that I think of it, that's one other data point: the bars on the sides of SD cable are black, even though I have set the panasonic to bright (and this setting is working, as I confirmed when I flipped an xbox signal through the various aspect ratios and the side bars came up light gray).

Any help would be very much appreciated.

Opus
post #2733 of 5064
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Originally Posted by OpusGoldStar View Post

Nor do I think that I have set the box to send all output as 720p or 1080i (although if anyone could help me confirm this I would appreciate it).

Your cable box is probably sending 720 or 1080 for all programs both HD and SD.

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Originally Posted by OpusGoldStar View Post

the bars on the sides of SD cable are black, even though I have set the panasonic to bright (and this setting is working, as I confirmed when I flipped an xbox signal through the various aspect ratios and the side bars came up light gray).

Your cable box is adding the black bars for you. You can probably turn this off from the cable box menu. Someone more familiar with this STB can probably help you.
post #2734 of 5064
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Originally Posted by rpauls View Post

Nope. That's as good as it gets with DVD's. See my previous posts. Turns out my monitor was not defective, just a little dim which I fixed.

So you're comfortable staying with your SM adjustment of the PWCTRL (IIRC) setting to compensate? Was there something that "eased" your concerns over it?
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Originally Posted by rpauls View Post

I've tried 2 9UKs now. Both have the grainy PQ you mentioned with DVD input.

So you've now seen another 50ph9uk since your visit from the Panny tech and have found the same picture "deficiencies" in that one which caused you to believe your 9uk was defective? I wonder if that grainy PQ extends to DVD input from an upconverting Oppo 981 over HDMI as well.. I guess I'll find out in a couple of weeks.
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Originally Posted by rpauls View Post

If you want to watch DVDs the Panasonic consumer model PX6 produces a much nicer picture imho. They have additional circuitry in them to deal with the non HD input signal according to their engineers. What I believe this really means is they have a better deinterlacer, scaller and filter so you don't have to have a 500.00 DVD player to get a decent picture.

Interesting theory. Sad if true. It could also be simply better filter "presets" and such, to more "generally" compensate for the wide variety of consumer input devices which could at any time be used in conjunction with the consumer model-- as opposed to the commercial model which they probably assume will regularly have a more "perfect" feed. I'm not sure of the soundness of the logic in them investing in a better scaler and/or de-interlacer for the consumer model and "eating" the costs..
post #2735 of 5064
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Originally Posted by OpusGoldStar View Post

Hi, all --

I am enjoying my new 50" 9UK very much, except for one thing -- switching aspect ratios. I have searched the thread fairly carefully (I think) and haven't seen an answer. I can't switch aspect ratios on SD cable shows, "FULL" is the only option. I think it must be the fault of a setting on my cable box, but I can't figure out what it is.

I have comcast cable going into a Motorola dual-tuner DVR (I think the model # is 6412). From there, component out into a switcher, then to the 9UK. The button on the bottom left of the remote does nothing when I'm watching cable. However, I can change the aspect settings when I'm playing a DVD or XBOX through the same component switcher, so I don't think it's a problem with the TV itself.

It doesn't matter whether I'm watching a show I DVR'ed or live TV, and I do not think that the problem is that I'm watching an HD show on an SD channel or vice versa (last night, for example, I was watching comedy central). Nor do I think that I have set the box to send all output as 720p or 1080i (although if anyone could help me confirm this I would appreciate it).

Even though I am past the 100 hour mark, I really do not want to watch with the black bars. Actually, now that I think of it, that's one other data point: the bars on the sides of SD cable are black, even though I have set the panasonic to bright (and this setting is working, as I confirmed when I flipped an xbox signal through the various aspect ratios and the side bars came up light gray).

Any help would be very much appreciated.

Opus

With the cable box off, press the menu button and change the "480 override" setting to 480i or 480p (whichever you prefer, 480i seems best on my setup). This will allow you to use stretch modes for SD. You can also set the HD output mode to 720p or 1080i in this menu (I forgot the name of the parameter to change, but it's pretty obvious).

-Steve
post #2736 of 5064
With the box off? OK, I will try it when I get home tonight. Thanks very much Steve, I owe you one if this fixes it!

renlopez, thank you too for the reply.

Opus
post #2737 of 5064
You'll also need to make sure you're not recording on the cable box at the same time or the menu won't come up at all.
post #2738 of 5064
Okay, I am a regular at the forums, but I am finally getting ready to get a new display and the 50PH9UK is at the top of my list for several reasons (including the 5 yr. warranty from Panasonic). I want to know if anyone has any experience in getting the extended warranty from dealers such as Newegg, or do you need to get the monitor from VA or another dealer to qualify? Also, I plan to connect my HTPC running MCE2005 to this monitor and send it everything at native pixel resolution. I am fairly positive after reading as much as I can that this will be possible for DVI (with the extra blade) and VGA, but I am not sure about HDMI. I am guessing that someone here may be able to confirm whether HDMI could be used just as DVI for 1:1 pixel mapping at 1366x768 at 60Hz. I was also interested in any other information someone may be able to add about using this display as a PC monitor for HTPC applications. Does it seem to get image retention from the MCE menus if they stay up for about 2 or 3 minutes? How fast does it power down if I set my computer to shut off the monitor (Aquos LCDs wait 15min.)? Are there any people with recommended stands that work well with this particular display? I want a stand that can hold my 20x7x18 inch (WxHxD) center channel and the display in a safe configuration (preferably with the plasma on a mount that attaches to the "furniture" not on a tabletop stand). The idea is something similar to this idea, but with a nicer wood thing on the bottom that would make my wife a little happier (she hates glass and metal stuff like this)
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Z-Lin...oductDetail.do
post #2739 of 5064
^ I think you can only get the warranty if purchased from an authorized dealer.
post #2740 of 5064
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Originally Posted by denyart View Post

Okay, I am a regular at the forums, but I am finally getting ready to get a new display and the 50PH9UK is at the top of my list for several reasons (including the 5 yr. warranty from Panasonic). I want to know if anyone has any experience in getting the extended warranty from dealers such as Newegg...


Sorry but I don't get it...

Panasonic is already offering the 5 year Warranty (1 year regular + 4 years extended) so why pay more for extra warranty???




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or do you need to get the monitor from VA or another dealer to qualify?

You can buy them anywhere.

Use this official rebate form:

ftp://ftp.panasonic.com/pub/Panasoni...yClaimForm.pdf


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Originally Posted by erekose View Post

^ I think you can only get the warranty if purchased from an authorized dealer.

Panasonic will honor the Warranty even if you buy from non-authorized Dealers.
post #2741 of 5064
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Originally Posted by denyart View Post

I want to know if anyone has any experience in getting the extended warranty from dealers such as Newegg, or do you need to get the monitor from VA or another dealer to qualify?

Newegg is not a place I would consider buying a Plasma from. Because if you have any troubles at all with it out of the box such as dead pixels or anything like that, they will more than likely refuse to exchange it for another one and instead tell you to call Panasonic to fix it.
post #2742 of 5064
For those of you who experienced a buzzing sound coming from your 9UK...

-What was the build date?
-Where did you purchase it?
-Did you have it replaced, and if so did you get one that didn't buzz? Any other issues - dead pixels, etc. that weren't present in returned 9UK?
-If you replaced it, who did you deal with, Panasonic or the retailer? Was it an easy process?
-Did you keep the 9UK and 'adapt' to the buzzing?

I have a 429UK that buzzes. I can hear it with volume set to zero from my seating position 6-8 feet away. It's not as noticeable with low volume levels. And with normal to high volume levels I can't hear it, but I still know it's there, so I am trying to hear it, lol. That may fade as I have the set longer. I haven't watched enough content to tell if it would be bothersome during quiet scenes. I am tempted to return it, but who knows if I will get one that doesn't buzz. How many sets would I have to return to ultimately get one that doesn't buzz? Currently that is the only issue with my 9UK. By returning it I risk getting one that was damaged, has dead pixels etc. Funny, I've learned to live with the fans of my gaming PC and my loud PS2, because that is normal. The buzzing from my 9UK is a little more difficult to accept since some people state that theirs are silent. Makes me feel a little cheated. Anyway, feedback would be appreciated and help me decide if its worth the hassle. Thanks.
post #2743 of 5064
All plasmas buzz at higher altitudes, not sure if that's your case.
post #2744 of 5064
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Originally Posted by p3Orion View Post

For those of you who experienced a buzzing sound coming from your 9UK...

-What was the build date?
-Where did you purchase it?
-Did you have it replaced, and if so did you get one that didn't buzz? Any other issues - dead pixels, etc. that weren't present in returned 9UK?
-If you replaced it, who did you deal with, Panasonic or the retailer? Was it an easy process?
-Did you keep the 9UK and 'adapt' to the buzzing?

I have a 429UK that buzzes. I can hear it with volume set to zero from my seating position 6-8 feet away. It's not as noticeable with low volume levels. And with normal to high volume levels I can't hear it, but I still know it's there, so I am trying to hear it, lol. That may fade as I have the set longer. I haven't watched enough content to tell if it would be bothersome during quiet scenes. I am tempted to return it, but who knows if I will get one that doesn't buzz. How many sets would I have to return to ultimately get one that doesn't buzz? Currently that is the only issue with my 9UK. By returning it I risk getting one that was damaged, has dead pixels etc. Funny, I've learned to live with the fans of my gaming PC and my loud PS2, because that is normal. The buzzing from my 9UK is a little more difficult to accept since some people state that theirs are silent. Makes me feel a little cheated. Anyway, feedback would be appreciated and help me decide if its worth the hassle. Thanks.

Is is the fan buzz that you are hearing? If so, unfortunately, Panasonic states it's "not a problem and is normal" in the manual, so it may be tough returning it for that. I've always wondered if anyone has retrofitted the plasma with Silenx fans. I used them in a couple HTPC's I built and they are as silent as it gets. For me, I do hear it if there is no audio and close to the TV. But, my mac mini has about the same volume in it's "buzzing" with no audio. When I'm watching any TV/DVD/HTmac content, I can't hear it.
post #2745 of 5064
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Originally Posted by mjtoopes View Post

I've had my 9uk for a little over a month now and 120+hours of viewing. I have the oppo 970 connected via hdmi and my xbox 360 connected via component RBG with the BNC connectors. as of now i am not hooked up to a cable box. the xbox pq is good, not great and the oppo is very lackluster, almost grainy. I have the xbox and oppo set to 720p(which looks about the same as 1080i when i switch back and forth. the settings on my tv are standard(normalized) and im viewing in cinema mode. i just ordered the avia home theatre guide for calibration so hopefully that will help some. any other suggestions?

I don't think this problem is related to rpauls'. You aren't feeing the set 480p, which means that your problem has nothing to do with the scaler performing better with HD than with SD.

Personally, my Panasonic S52 outputting at 720p doesn't look "grainy" at all. I suspect that you have a conflict in settings (most likely sharpness and edge enhancement) between the player and the set. Look in the Oppo options for sharpness and edge enhancement settings. If it has edge enhancement, turn it off, and drop the sharpness setting. You can then use the sharpness control on the panel to pick up the slack. You may also want to zap any PLUGE (black level enhancement), brightness and contrast settings in the player, as having these amped up pre-upscale could introduce noise.

And speaking of noise, be sure to turn on noise reduction on the panel for your DVD input.
post #2746 of 5064
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Originally Posted by pablo16 View Post

Is is the fan buzz that you are hearing? If so, unfortunately, Panasonic states it's "not a problem and is normal" in the manual, so it may be tough returning it for that. I've always wondered if anyone has retrofitted the plasma with Silenx fans. I used them in a couple HTPC's I built and they are as silent as it gets. For me, I do hear it if there is no audio and close to the TV. But, my mac mini has about the same volume in it's "buzzing" with no audio. When I'm watching any TV/DVD/HTmac content, I can't hear it.

My 42PH9UK has Panaflo fans -- no surprise, being a Panasonic. Panaflo is commonly regarded as the reference standard efficient silent PC fans.

I have no buzzing. I do hear an initial "whoosh" as the set turns on and the fans ramp up to full output. But for normal viewing they are either off or the voltage is reduced/throttled. I can't hear them at all from 5 feet with no noise in the room.

p3Orion: where do you live? Might be altitude related? Are you using a surge suppressor, UPS, or power conditioner? If not, try an UPS to see if its current-related.
post #2747 of 5064
RPNYC and slb (Steve) -- Problem solved. Thank you both!
post #2748 of 5064
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Originally Posted by Revolutionary View Post


And speaking of noise, be sure to turn on noise reduction on the panel for your DVD input.

Is this "visual noise" that you are speaking of in regards to the previous poster's grainy issue? I haven't hooked up my DVD player yet. It's not an upconversion. I have a Denon dvd/dvda/sacd 3000 something series...is the upconversion worth it? or should I wait until the HDDVD vs. bluray is figured out. FWIW, I dont' watch many movies, but expect to watch more with this new panel.
post #2749 of 5064
I'm wondering what's the best way to leave my set when I'm not watching it. I checked my stats last night and I've got 135 power on events and 301 hours on my 509UK.

What do you guys do when you turn your set off...just go to standby (with the red light) or do you walk up to the set and turn it all the way off?

Any reason to do one over the other (other than the convenience of turning it to standby with the remote)?
post #2750 of 5064
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Originally Posted by denyart View Post

I plan to connect my HTPC running MCE2005 to this monitor and send it everything at native pixel resolution. I am fairly positive after reading as much as I can that this will be possible for DVI (with the extra blade) and VGA, but I am not sure about HDMI. I am guessing that someone here may be able to confirm whether HDMI could be used just as DVI for 1:1 pixel mapping at 1366x768 at 60Hz.

Previous posts have indicated the DVI blade supports 1:1 native feed, but the HDMI blade does not.
post #2751 of 5064
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Originally Posted by lassen View Post

Previous posts have indicated the DVI blade supports 1:1 native feed, but the HDMI blade does not.


True...and I think only the 50 and above will do 1:1, is this correct?
post #2752 of 5064
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Originally Posted by chrisct View Post

I'm wondering what's the best way to leave my set when I'm not watching it. I checked my stats last night and I've got 135 power on events and 301 hours on my 509UK.

What do you guys do when you turn your set off...just go to standby (with the red light) or do you walk up to the set and turn it all the way off?

Any reason to do one over the other (other than the convenience of turning it to standby with the remote)?

The only good reason is power, but even that is not a great reason.

The 50" burns .1W in "power off" mode. In standby (with Standby Save set to "on") it burns .3W. So its a miniscule difference.

I have Standy Save on and just use Standby mode for my 42PH9UK.
post #2753 of 5064
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Originally Posted by pablo16 View Post

Is this "visual noise" that you are speaking of in regards to the previous poster's grainy issue? I haven't hooked up my DVD player yet. It's not an upconversion. I have a Denon dvd/dvda/sacd 3000 something series...is the upconversion worth it? or should I wait until the HDDVD vs. bluray is figured out. FWIW, I dont' watch many movies, but expect to watch more with this new panel.

Yes, visual noise (or video noise). Each input has a Video Noise Reduction option in the Signal menu.

As for upconvert, I don't know definitively if it is always "worth it." But I had to replace my old DVD player when I got my new Tivo (DVD was incoporated into old Tivo), so I went with an upconvert that was affordable (because either way it did 480p component out): Panasonic S52K (or S52S if you prefer silver).

I use the HDMI at 720p, and it is clearly much, much better than 480p component from either the same player or my Toshiba Tivo. And it was $60.

And yes, only the sets above 42" support 1:1 via DVI.

BTW: I suspect that the reason that you said "1024x768 worked" for your 42PH9UK, but didn't look great, is that 1024x768 is rendered 4:3 on these panels, even though that is their native pixel resolution. You have to factor the scaler. You probably had 1024x768 and "Full", am I right? That leaves you with a stretched 4:3 image (just like stretched SD). Only HDTV resolutions are rendered in true 16:9 on the 429UK, because the only way to acheive a 16:9 image on its 4:3 display is through the scaler.
post #2754 of 5064
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Originally Posted by rpauls View Post

They sometimes give answers that they are "supposed" to give I guess.

I personally have used the Panasonic consumer stand (from the 50PX6U) on my Panasonic pro model (50PH9UK), and it works perfectly.

The only problem is the color doesn't match (silver) and the shape is different. Therefor Panasonic says it's "non compatable" I guess it is not compatable in a decorative sense only ;-)

It is so hard to get any usefull advise from some manufacturers.

Gahh, that's annoying. I'd just like to know if it is worth my while buying one of the cheaper consumer-model stands on eBay, or if I really do need to spend $150-200 on the TY-ST08K stand.

Jon
post #2755 of 5064
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Originally Posted by Revolutionary View Post

The only good reason is power, but even that is not a great reason.

The 50" burns .1W in "power off" mode. In standby (with Standby Save set to "on") it burns .3W. So its a miniscule difference.

I have Standy Save on and just use Standby mode for my 42PH9UK.

OK thanks! Another power related question: if I'm not going to be using the set for _X_ minutes, should I power it off or leave it on. I remember reading that turning your computer off took 5 hours out of the life of the power supply, so if you were going to need the computer again within the next 5 hours it made sense just to leave it on. Does the act of putting this TV into standby mode but any wear on the TV, or is it a good idea to shut it off if I'm going to be doing something else for [30, 45, 60] minutes?
post #2756 of 5064
Hello,

Its official, I am now a proud owner of the 50"9UK.
I purchased my 9UK from newegg.
It took only 48 hrs for my 9UK to arrive with just basic shipping.WoW!
They also threw in a free 6' heavy duty component cable that is worth $90
This is my first HD display and have no idea where to begin.
I understand that you have to burn it in for 100 hrs.Is this done with the Avia calibration Dvd? Can anyone recommend a good tilting bracket for the 9UK? It will be going over my fireplace.Unfortunately my HK AVR-435 does not have HDMI so I will be running component.
However I will run a HDMI cable in the wall incase I get another receiver.If I get an upconverting DVD player and use the HDMI straight to the 9UK ,bypassing my receiver,will I be able to use the optical audio from the dvd player to my receiver or is the audio dedicated to the HDMI cable when using it? I will be using the Deftech Procinema 60 for speakers.I will be mounting all 5 speakers to the wall.Can anyone tell me the advantages or disadvantages to wall mounting the center channel.The Center channel is kind of heavy and dont want it ever to fall on my 9UK.Will it sound better if I place my center channel above my fireplace mantel? Now I have to save up some chips for the install and hopefully have it up and running for the Superbowl.
Will keep everyone posted and hopefully have some pics later.
TIA
post #2757 of 5064
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Originally Posted by Revolutionary View Post

Yes, visual noise (or video noise). Each input has a Video Noise Reduction option in the Signal menu.

As for upconvert, I don't know definitively if it is always "worth it." But I had to replace my old DVD player when I got my new Tivo (DVD was incoporated into old Tivo), so I went with an upconvert that was affordable (because either way it did 480p component out): Panasonic S52K (or S52S if you prefer silver).

I use the HDMI at 720p, and it is clearly much, much better than 480p component from either the same player or my Toshiba Tivo. And it was $60.

And yes, only the sets above 42" support 1:1 via DVI.

BTW: I suspect that the reason that you said "1024x768 worked" for your 42PH9UK, but didn't look great, is that 1024x768 is rendered 4:3 on these panels, even though that is their native pixel resolution. You have to factor the scaler. You probably had 1024x768 and "Full", am I right? That leaves you with a stretched 4:3 image (just like stretched SD). Only HDTV resolutions are rendered in true 16:9 on the 429UK, because the only way to acheive a 16:9 image on its 4:3 display is through the scaler.


Thanks Rev! Yes, you are correct with the 1024x768....After the breakin is over, I'm going to play with the resolutions a little more, but I'm really liking the 1280x720 @60Hz right now and imagine that is what I'll stick with. After I test some pictures, etc. I'll be able to hone this in. And, after breakin when I can adjust sharpness, contrast, etc, I think the 1280x720 will be the ticket.

Thanks for the input on the video noise, I'll check that over the weekend when I connect everything else up. I did already buy a HDMI blade, though I might use it with my comcast box. I think the DVD will have to wait as I want to get a better surge/conditioner system on this TV. And, after the sound clarity on the Denon (as I use it for my dvda/sacd player as well), I think I'll have to stick with a Denon upconvert.
post #2758 of 5064
I need some opinions on this.

I haven't purchased an HDMI blade for my 50ph9uk yet. I was planning to wait until Panasonic released a new blade that is hopefully HDMI 1.3 compatible AND can accept 1080p.

However, reading through the different threads on the history of Panasonic blades, it seems unlikely that any future HDMI blade released will be backward compatible with the 9uk.

So question is, should I wait for the next HDMI blade, or just get the current one (TY-FB8HM)?
post #2759 of 5064
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Originally Posted by chrisct View Post

OK thanks! Another power related question: if I'm not going to be using the set for _X_ minutes, should I power it off or leave it on. I remember reading that turning your computer off took 5 hours out of the life of the power supply, so if you were going to need the computer again within the next 5 hours it made sense just to leave it on. Does the act of putting this TV into standby mode but any wear on the TV, or is it a good idea to shut it off if I'm going to be doing something else for [30, 45, 60] minutes?

Actually, I'm pretty sure PSU longevity is one of the principal virtues of standby modes (from a manufacturer's perspective). That and EnergyStar compliance.
post #2760 of 5064
Anyone notice what monitors are all over the whitehouse in the new season of "24"? You guessed it...9uks baby!
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