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post #151 of 4583
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Most interesting thread, please keep it coming. Kudos, to everyone for the civil healthy discussion.

As I really don't sit down to listen to 2 channel anymore, any suggestions on straight 5.1 or 7.1 processor that sound really good? I remember a few years ago listening to the proceed avp, it was one of the best demos I ever heard. I remember listening to a 7.1 setup listening to "A Bugs Life" DVD, and I will never forget the scene where grasshoppers fly out of the cave, and I could hear the wings flapping so discretely and preceisely from every speaker (B&W 803N all around), it was spectacular. I haven't had that feeling again until I demo'd and Anthem D1.

Low level detail is one of it's nicest strengths. Quite stunning really.
post #152 of 4583
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Had a few people PM me asking if there's any difference between an AVP2 and an upgraded one and the answer is NO, they are exactly the same in every way. They charged almost $5000 for the upgrade and EVERYTHING was changed to AVP2 components. Some people didn't get the faceplate because it was an extra $300 but that would be the only difference. If it has PL2 it's a full AVP2.
post #153 of 4583
Hi Zissou, you said you are going to audition Parasound next. If you done it already, could you please tell us whats your impression of it? Thanks
post #154 of 4583
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Hi Zissou, you said you are going to audition Parasound next. If you done it already, could you please tell us whats your impression of it? Thanks

Sorry no, it's still on the list.
post #155 of 4583
Zissou,

If you had to pick one, would it be the AVP2 or the Bel Canto PrePro? Why? Thanks.

Bill
post #156 of 4583
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Zissou,

If you had to pick one, would it be the AVP2 or the Bel Canto PrePro? Why? Thanks.

Bill


Hi Bill at this time I favour the AVP2. It has slightly better low level definition and a larger soundstage. It's analogue section (preamp) is the best I've yet heard in a pre/pro. It's simple, elegant and well built and at the price it can be bought at it's the proverbial give away for what you get.
post #157 of 4583
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Just got a C2 in.
post #158 of 4583
Zissou,

If you had both the audio refinement pre 2 dsp and the cary cinema 6, which would you keep?

Mark
post #159 of 4583
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Zissou,

If you had both the audio refinement pre 2 dsp and the cary cinema 6, which would you keep?

Mark


Cary.
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post #161 of 4583
How its goin with the C2? What is your impression of it so far?
post #162 of 4583
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How its goin with the C2? What is your impression of it so far?

Too early to say.
post #163 of 4583
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Glad you think so. The amp was always the same for testing, Krell TAS, but all pre/pros were also used with a Sunfire Signature and an EVO6 and the speakers are Magnepan 3.6R, 1.6R and CC3. If you like sound lacking in detail that's fine as we all have different priorities, however it is not accurate. My findings are also correlated by UAV. The AVP700 was tested extensively and it's shortcomings were very obvious. It was most apparent in low level detail where instruments low in the mix simply disappeared. A great example is Al Stewart's "Flying Sorcery" which has some very subtle keyboard sweetening on the second verse and it simply disappeared using the Arcam. Holly Cole's natural sibilance was diminished to the point where it was almost non existent as well. Again not accurate.

UAV said this about the 700 but to be fair I found the dynamics to be only slightly compromised so disagree with Shane on that finding.


To get a fix on how it stacks up in pure sonics I began by shuttling the AVP700 into my system with my reference amps- Theta Citadel monoblocks with a Theta Dreadnaught for center and surrounds. In my system the AVP700 produced sound that was spacious and refined, if a bit lacking in detail in comparison to my memory of the Arcam flagship, the FMJ AV8.

In years past this reticence could have been regarded as a savior for a controller with no simple Re-EQ. But as I explained earlier, I find fewer and fewer bright soundtracks. In this case, I felt like I simply wasn't getting as much detail out of the best soundtracks, like Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith. The opening space battle has Anakin and Obi-Wan hurdling through the interstellar carnage to rescue Chancellor Palpatine. Sonically it's as much of a thrill-ride as one would expect of the opening of a Star Wars movie. Not only was I not hearing as much resolution of finer details as I wanted, I wasn't get as much spatial sensation of the ships and debris hurtling past, and I found the scene surprisingly restrained dynamically.

The slight softness in sound is an artifact that I can live with, especially with the AVP700's formidable feature set, and friendly price. But the lack of dynamics kept leading me to edge up the volume higher than I typically listen to try and get some punch out of active, aggressive soundtracks like Revenge of the Sith, or even Polar Express which features an abundance of sonic delights both subtle and aggressive in nature. While the higher volume levels gave me some of the drama I was looking for, it also made the sound harder, and almost brittle. During very loud, dynamic passages I'd end up riding the volume back down. I was concerned enough about this aspect of the Arcam's performance that I had a second sample sent over and essentially found the same thing.

I really had wanted to like the piece as I was, am, a fan of the AVR300.

Sorry, I have not checked this site in a while, but after having read your response, I'm convince you really do know what you are talking about. My apoligies.
post #164 of 4583
Zissou,

Kudos to you for starting a good conversation - your experience has been helpful to me as I am looking to get a pre/pro and audio quality is the most important thing to me.

Have you heard either of the new Classe processors, the SSP-300 or 600? Just wondering if you had, and if so, what your impression of the unit was.

Thanks again!
clewlor
post #165 of 4583
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Zissou,

Kudos to you for starting a good conversation - your experience has been helpful to me as I am looking to get a pre/pro and audio quality is the most important thing to me.

Have you heard either of the new Classe processors, the SSP-300 or 600? Just wondering if you had, and if so, what your impression of the unit was.

Thanks again!
clewlor


No I haven't and perhaps unfairly I am not a fan of their house sound but I'll try to bring one in. Right now I am still amazed daily by what the AVP2 does right.
post #166 of 4583
I would like to thank everyone for their input. It has been fascinating to read the entire thread! Now, I am faced with the decision of a lifetime. Here is what I own:

- McCormack UDP-1 DVD player, which I also use as my CD player.
- Celestion Ditton 66 and 662 pair (got them both and love them!)
- Mark Levinson No. 23.5 power amplifier

I am lacking a pre-amp, and am considering the very well spoken of AVP2 +6, with 7 months left of warranty, or a Bryston SP-2, with a 20 year warranty.

I would like to hear opinions ...

Thanks,
Franco
post #167 of 4583
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I would like to thank everyone for their input. It has been fascinating to read the entire thread! Now, I am faced with the decision of a lifetime. Here is what I own:

- McCormack UDP-1 DVD player, which I also use as my CD player.
- Celestion Ditton 66 and 662 pair (got them both and love them!)
- Mark Levinson No. 23.5 power amplifier

I am lacking a pre-amp, and am considering the very well spoken of AVP2 +6, with 7 months left of warranty, or a Bryston SP-2, with a 20 year warranty.

I would like to hear opinions ...

Thanks,
Franco


Tough call. I love the AVP2 and feel on many things it's never been bettered BUT I haven't had a lot of time with the SP2. I thought the SP1.7 was truly terrible and have never been a fan of Brston preamps so in general I guess I didn't help with your question.
post #168 of 4583
I have heard that with the SP2 there were major improvements, but my biggest problem is that i would not be able to preview any of them before I buy. I have not heard in person any decent preamps, since I am just getting into the audiophile world. In the last few months I have been collecting stuff on the net. This may be a little off subject, but a recommendation on cables and center speaker that goes with my system would be greatly appreciated as well. There are so many choices, and not everyone has the chance to compare things side by side ...
post #169 of 4583
great thread, thanks.

a year ago i made the mistake of selling my B&K ref 50 and getting a denon 4806 receiver because of all the bells and whistles. i really miss the sound of the B&K. now i want to go back to separates. can someone comment on the new cary 11?

what about slightly lower end ssp's like b&K, arcam, outlaw, sunfire? what should a movie loving mere mortal with 2k - 4k max to spend look at?

thanks
post #170 of 4583
Zissou, I have been thinking about your comments on the detail of the Arcam AVP700, and I have concluded that the reason you don't have good detail with it at low volume levels is that your Maggies aren't as efficient as my Compsition Preludes so they requires better electronics. I have no doubt you Maggies sound better than my Infinitys, especially in the mdirange, but the Maggies are more sensitive to the electronics applied to them. My Infinitys play 96db with a 1 watt input whereas I'm sure your Maggies are in the mid 80s. I can hear detail with my Aracam at low, mid and high volume levels without any problems and I'm only using a 30 wpc 2 channel Class A amp called the First Watt Aleph J.
post #171 of 4583
Zissou,

I have been interested in moving to separates for awhile. I appreciate the info you have come forth with.
What were your feelings toward the Rotel products (1068, 1098)?
post #172 of 4583
Please give me link to AVP2 ....I want to read about it.... when i search I get Alien Vs Prediator ...LOL

http://www.proceedaudio.com/manuals/AVP2OM.pdf

Looks like a discontinued product.
Model Description Introduced Discontinued

AVP2 Audio Video Preamplifier 2002 2003
post #173 of 4583
search for proceed avp2. it cannot do 7.1

what about halcro ssp80 and ssp100? nad master series?
post #174 of 4583
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Zissou, I have been thinking about your comments on the detail of the Arcam AVP700, and I have concluded that the reason you don't have good detail with it at low volume levels is that your Maggies aren't as efficient as my Compsition Preludes so they requires better electronics. I have no doubt you Maggies sound better than my Infinitys, especially in the mdirange, but the Maggies are more sensitive to the electronics applied to them. My Infinitys play 96db with a 1 watt input whereas I'm sure your Maggies are in the mid 80s. I can hear detail with my Aracam at low, mid and high volume levels without any problems and I'm only using a 30 wpc 2 channel Class A amp called the First Watt Aleph J.

You misunderstood G. Low level detail and volume level are two quite different things although with a relationship.
post #175 of 4583
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search for proceed avp2. it cannot do 7.1

what about halcro ssp80 and ssp100? nad master series?

It does 7.1.
post #176 of 4583
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great thread, thanks.

a year ago i made the mistake of selling my B&K ref 50 and getting a denon 4806 receiver because of all the bells and whistles. i really miss the sound of the B&K. now i want to go back to separates. can someone comment on the new cary 11?

what about slightly lower end ssp's like b&K, arcam, outlaw, sunfire? what should a movie loving mere mortal with 2k - 4k max to spend look at?

thanks


Buying used that will get you into most discussed here.
post #177 of 4583
Has anyone tried the Toshiba HD-DVD players using Analog out, wuth any of the Prepro discussed here?

Do you think waiting for more Prepro with HDMI audio inoputs would be wiser, then the Prepros superior DACs could be utilized?

Thanks,
Darrell
post #178 of 4583
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It does 7.1.

Zissou,

Do you know how it does 7.1? Since there are no 7.1 sources AFAIK, you would need DPLIIx (not DPLII), Logic 7, or equivalent to generate a 7.1 soundfield.

Thanks
Bruce
post #179 of 4583
I beleive the only way it does 7.1 is buy taking a DD THX Surround EX, 6.1 soundtrack and it expands it to both rear surrounds. It does do 7.1, I demod it a few years ago in a 7.1 setup..
post #180 of 4583
So this discussion is about a discontinued product proceed avp2. Interesting....
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