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post #1981 of 3414
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Originally Posted by kraiggers View Post

I thought someone else with the cloud issue had a set from August. I don't think this issue is really limited to Sept/Oct. Could be wrong, though, obviously...

Mine it's from Mexico and it's made during September 2006 and have cloud also. The issue happen on most of the 46'' of the XBR 2 and XBR 3. But when you take a look on the 40'' XBR 2 and XBR3. There's no cloud effect and the black it's very darker compare to 46'' and 52''.

I saw the KDL-46X2500 (The japanese version of the XBR) that one is very better compare want we have here. There is no clouding effect.

For those you got a chance to way till Feb. 2007. They might be happy. The LED version it's coming with HDMI 1.3, xvYCC at 36 bit colors.
post #1982 of 3414
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Originally Posted by boltjames View Post

This is an absolute crock.

There are two degrees of 'clouding':

1. The 99.9% of LCD TV owners who notice mild backlight inconsitencies when the panel is 'on' in that fraction of a second before the source changes. Just like a laptop or the rear of a digital camera, a blank backlit LCD screen has some cloudy appearance. It has ZERO impact on the picture when the panel is doing what it's supposed to be doing- showing a picture. We don't stare at blank powered panels.

2. The 00.1% of LCD TV owners that have a legitimate defective product with a defective backlight or a poor backlight alignment. They have a legitimate gripe and should return their panel just as they would if the speakers were broken or the tuner was inoperable.

There is no other option. There's no such thing as a "cloud prone" LCD. It either works or it doesn't.

BJ

And where, my friend, did you find your statistics for defective panels? I think the issue at hand is whether there are MORE defective panels than is typical for high dollar LCDS. I would love to know how you can assure me there wasn't a bad production run, resulting in a failure rate greater than your proclaimed .1%. I CLEARLY saw the white glow of backlight non-uniformity during normal viewing. Hell, my WIFE noticed the glow. She wouldn't know HD if it crawled in bed with her. My friend, who helped me install the TV said, "Hmm...That doesn't look right."

I own a marketing company. I am surrounded by HD LCDs, as we do HD video production for many of our clients. I have a 42 plasma in my conference room, so I am familiar with that technology as well. I am typing this reply on an HD LCD monitor. I have an HD LCD in my bedroom. If one more person accuses me of not understanding the limits of backlight uniformity with LCDs, I will lose my mind.

The only crock here is that you are blindly assuming that these posts are the result of peoples limited understanding and not actual technical problems. You don't know that. I promise.
post #1983 of 3414
(I tried searching the forum for the answer to this question first, but couldn't find it. I apologize if this has already been covered.)

So, it's been pointed out that many of the panels with the clouding issue have the manufacture date of Sep/Oct. My question is, are there any panels out there with a manufacture date of Sep/Oct that DON'T have this problem?

I just ordered a 40", and it's getting delivered next Wednesday. I am fearful that it will be one of these "cloudy" panels. So, I'm just curious if all or nearly all of the Sep/Oct ones are seeing this problem.

Thanks.
post #1984 of 3414
Hey kraiggers, hear anything back from Ultimate AV?
post #1985 of 3414
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Originally Posted by gr0m1t View Post

I just ordered a 40", and it's getting delivered next Wednesday. I am fearful that it will be one of these "cloudy" panels. So, I'm just curious if all or nearly all of the Sep/Oct ones are seeing this problem.

I don't recall hearing anyone with the 40XBR2 complaining about uneven backlighting. You should be fine. Of course, if you're not we'd love to hear about it.
post #1986 of 3414
swizzir -

Nope nothing back from Ultimate AV. [shrug]

llDonov@nll, are LED sets really coming in Feb? How do you know this?

FYI, my fiancee noticed the clouding too. And she wouldn't notice HD if it slapped her across the face.

I'm returning my 46. I'll wait until the reports on future sets are free of this issue, or I'll get a different technology. The bottom line for me is I'm not happy with the PQ on both of the sets I've gotten, and I have no confidence that the problem won't persist...
post #1987 of 3414
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Originally Posted by kraiggers View Post

swizzir -

Nope nothing back from Ultimate AV. [shrug]

llDonov@nll, are LED sets really coming in Feb? How do you know this?

FYI, my fiancee noticed the clouding too. And she wouldn't notice HD if it slapped her across the face.

I'm returning my 46. I'll wait until the reports on future sets are free of this issue, or I'll get a different technology. The bottom line for me is I'm not happy with the PQ on both of the sets I've gotten, and I have no confidence that the problem won't persist...

LED sets will still have backlight bleed. A light is a light be it LED or CCFL. If anything the LED's will be brighter and you will see more light on dark scenes.
post #1988 of 3414
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Originally Posted by Nascar Dog View Post

LED sets will still have backlight bleed. A light is a light be it LED or CCFL. If anything the LED's will be brighter and you will see more light on dark scenes.

Yes, LEDs are lights, but the way they are employed may vary considerably from current tech. I know LEDs can be very low power and very small. It seems at least possible that a panel with LED backlights could have lots of small lights rather than two or three larger ones (as is now the case?).

Ultimately, LEDs could be more prone to the kinds of non-uniformity I'm seeing, or they could be less. Remember, I'm not objecting to the lack or really dark blacks, I'm objecting to the non-uniformity of the panel during dark scenes.

It is impossible to know until we see them; but my guess is more lights at lower voltages will be more likely to be consistent across the entire panel.

Then again, maybe its not the lights at all. Maybe it is slight variation in the LCD substrate itself. Who knows! Ugh. Very frustrating. I'm jealous of you guys who got clean panels. Enjoy...
post #1989 of 3414
Group hug for all the cloudy panel owners (myself, Kraiggers, Swizzir!)- LOL. I think we need a special thread for "XBR Owners Jealous of the Clean Panel Owners!"
post #1990 of 3414
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Originally Posted by sweetp View Post

Group hug for all the cloudy panel owners (myself, Kraiggers, Swizzir!)- LOL. I think we need a special thread for "XBR Owners Jealous of the Clean Panel Owners!"

How about a thread for "cloudy panel owners" ? This thread seems to have turned into that anyway.
post #1991 of 3414
"I saw the KDL-46X2500 (The japanese version of the XBR) that one is very better compare want we have here. There is no clouding effect. "

I knew there must be a version made in Japan. I just looked it up on Sony's Japanese website. How do we go about getting one of those? I want one!!
post #1992 of 3414
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Originally Posted by llDonov@nll View Post

For those you got a chance to way till Feb. 2007. They might be happy. The LED version it's coming with HDMI 1.3, xvYCC at 36 bit colors.

Where did you hear about this?
post #1993 of 3414
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Originally Posted by luna5 View Post

How about a thread for "cloudy panel owners" ? This thread seems to have turned into that anyway.

There's a couple already.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=730172

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=738617
post #1994 of 3414
I just made a poll/thread about the cloudly/uneven backlight! Please VOTE!!! I would like to know how many sets have this issue.

CLICK HERE to view thread.
post #1995 of 3414
SonnyC79 -
In case you're interested here's another Pio 5070HD shot.
post #1996 of 3414
Good News!

Sony Starts Industry First Compliance Test for HDMI ver.1.3a
Adoption of Deep Color*1 and Higher Resolution(1080p)

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Pr...06E/index.html

http://www.sony.net/Products/HDMI/
post #1997 of 3414
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Originally Posted by kraiggers View Post

swizzir -

Nope nothing back from Ultimate AV. [shrug]

llDonov@nll, are LED sets really coming in Feb? How do you know this?

FYI, my fiancee noticed the clouding too. And she wouldn't notice HD if it slapped her across the face.

I'm returning my 46. I'll wait until the reports on future sets are free of this issue, or I'll get a different technology. The bottom line for me is I'm not happy with the PQ on both of the sets I've gotten, and I have no confidence that the problem won't persist...

I know that because I read a new from the S-LCD (Sony & Samsung - LCD) they are started the 8G in Febuary 2007 instead of September 2007.


Right now you can get the Samsung LED-LCD.

http://www.samsung.com/PressCenter/P...901_0000284318

The version in North American will be able to do 60Hz and 120Hz. That's going be good for the Playstation 3 game more frame!!!!!!!
post #1998 of 3414
I had my set calibrated today by an ISF tech. and posted my settings in
the XBR user settings thread for all that are interested.
post #1999 of 3414
Have many of you replaced the silver bezel w/ another color? Care to post some pics?

BTW, for the guy mentioning the Best Buy ad excluding XBRs from the sale, my local Best Buy has 'em on sale this week...your basic 10% off.
post #2000 of 3414
With regards to cloudy backlight, I have an extremely small amount of it on my 40" XBR3 manufactured in August. But it is so small it isn't even noticable except when you're looking for it. Nowhere near as bad as what other people are describing.
post #2001 of 3414
Hello fellers,

I just thought I would post a few more pics up on the boards, cuz well...I like doing it! I want to thank Petmic for posting his ISF settings on the XBR calibration thread, and will note that the following pics (sans Gears of War) were taken using his settings, which I think were a big improvement over what I had mine on previously.

*Another note...to those of you experiencing cloudy backgrounds, you might try his settings and see if that helps to alleviate or minimize your problem while you decide on what to do with your set. I know that i had one spot in the top right corner that bleeds a little bit (not enough to bother me, unnoticeable during any viewing), and I think lowering my backlight down to where he had his helped to get rid of it.

Okay, here goes:




Mongoose, any better??

post #2002 of 3414
Nice pics.

Glad I could help.
post #2003 of 3414
Petmic10

Thank you for posting the settings. I tried them on my 46XBR3 last night. I saw some improvement. The white balance settings created more natural colors.

When I woke up this morning and turned on the set, I was blown away with the superb picture. Letting your eyes rest for few hours when changing settings, helps.

SinCity in HD never looked so good. The backlight of 2 makes a huge difference.

I will post pictures of my setup later on tonight.


P.S. Does anyone have settings for PS2? I'm looking forward to see GranTurismo in 1080i glory.
post #2004 of 3414
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Originally Posted by KlDesigns View Post

Petmic10

Thank you for posting the settings. I tried them on my 46XBR3 last night. I saw some improvement. The white balance settings created more natural colors.

When I woke up this morning and turned on the set, I was blown away with the superb picture. Letting your eyes rest for few hours when changing settings, helps.

SinCity in HD never looked so good. The backlight of 2 makes a huge difference.

I will post pictures of my setup later on tonight.


P.S. Does anyone have settings for PS2? I'm looking forward to see GranTurismo in 1080i glory.

No problem.

I watched Sin City in HD last night and it was the best I have ever seen it.
The Gray Scale calibration was the key I think it made everything fall into
place perfectly.
post #2005 of 3414
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Originally Posted by redsandvb View Post

Have many of you replaced the silver bezel w/ another color? Care to post some pics?

I don't have a set yet, but I plan to get one with the Scarlet Red bezel, which I think looks hot!
post #2006 of 3414
Of course, then I *have* to watch Gone With The Wind, if you get my drift! LOL
post #2007 of 3414
Very nice Sonny
post #2008 of 3414
Quote:
Originally Posted by petmic10 View Post

I had my set calibrated today by an ISF tech. and posted my settings in
the XBR user settings thread for all that are interested.

Petmic, Id love to see your ISF result but I cant find the XBR user settings thread. How do I get there?
post #2009 of 3414
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Originally Posted by petmic10 View Post

No problem.

I watched Sin City in HD last night and it was the best I have ever seen it.
The Gray Scale calibration was the key I think it made everything fall into
place perfectly.

Petmic:

Not sure if you mentioned this or not. Did your ISF guy go into the service menu? Or were all adjustments made from user accessible menus?

Lumpy
post #2010 of 3414
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Originally Posted by KING DIRK View Post

Petmic, Id love to see your ISF result but I cant find the XBR user settings thread. How do I get there?

You could always click on his screen name in one of his postings. Then select "Find more posts by...."

The calibration thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7&page=6&pp=30
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