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post #211 of 3414
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Originally Posted by delusive1 View Post

I have seen the xb2 46" at a local CC it was being fed HD signal that was shared among a handful of other HDTVs. Despite the image being sharp as can be I noticed a lot of "tiles" during fast movements and scene transitions. Whats up with that??!!!!

What feed you get from the big box stores varies too much...I think the best way to really check out the set is to bring in your own source, and hook it up to one of the nine inputs.

As I stated, I got lots of macroblocking/tiles in fast motion scenes just by passing component video from my DVD/DVR through my A/V receiver, to the XBR2.

Fixed by going straight from the source to the XBR2.
post #212 of 3414
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Originally Posted by hsindogg View Post

What feed you get from the big box stores varies too much...I think the best way to really check out the set is to bring in your own source, and hook it up to one of the nine inputs.

As I stated, I got lots of macroblocking/tiles in fast motion scenes just by passing component video from my DVD/DVR through my A/V receiver, to the XBR2.

Fixed by going straight from the source to the XBR2.


That is pretty amazing that your receiver was causing so much distortion ... I almost wonder if AndrewScott was having a similar problem at home ...

Glad to hear you resolved the issue! (At least until you replace the receiver sometime down the line).
post #213 of 3414
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Originally Posted by hsindogg View Post

Hey Sabakahn, what's your setup, and how is your video connected?

I've tried both HDMI from DirecTV HD DVR (old/current model) and Component from an older Sony HD Receiver (HD200?). Both setups show some macroblocking, usually during quick fade-ins.

Glad to hear from your other post that you've resolved your problem though. Do you see any macroblocking at all anymore? Be interested to hear what you see when you have more than just a lunch hour. Actually, makes me want to run home myself to experiment
post #214 of 3414
I am back on the SONY wagon.

I got a smoking deal on the Samsung 4695 with JR, but as it turns out, the Samsung overscans on everything except the analog D sub, which is crap.

So I had to cancel it.

Does anyone know the ETA of XBR3? I was told that many places won't have this TV because it's something about limited distribution?

Unfortunately, XBR2 won't do because it has low WAF compares to the Samsung. it must be Piano black...
post #215 of 3414
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Originally Posted by MrWeinz View Post

That is pretty amazing that your receiver was causing so much distortion ... I almost wonder if AndrewScott was having a similar problem at home ...

Glad to hear you resolved the issue! (At least until you replace the receiver sometime down the line).

That's good to know. I was using the NAD M15 to do HDMI switching on the now returned Samsung 4692, and it had some macro blocking going on, I never did try a direct feed...

I am now eager to get my hands on the 46XBR3.
post #216 of 3414
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Originally Posted by stuka View Post

That's good to know. I was using the NAD M15 to do HDMI switching on the now returned Samsung 4692, and it had some macro blocking going on, I never did try a direct feed...

I am now eager to get my hands on the 46XBR3.

Please exscuse my ignorance but what do you mean by direct feed? Is it a HD cable box that you were using before? My 40" XBR3 is pre-ordered and I want to know about this in case I'll have any problems.

Thanks
post #217 of 3414
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Originally Posted by TASE17 View Post

Please exscuse my ignorance but what do you mean by direct feed? Is it a HD cable box that you were using before? My 40" XBR3 is pre-ordered and I want to know about this in case I'll have any problems.

Thanks

Direct, as in, plugging the HDMI cable directly into the TV from the box.

I had it go from the dish box to the NAD M15, then from the M15 to the TV for HDMI switching that the NAD M15 does.
post #218 of 3414
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Originally Posted by stuka View Post

I am back on the SONY wagon.

I got a smoking deal on the Samsung 4695 with JR, but as it turns out, the Samsung overscans on everything except the analog D sub, which is crap.

So I had to cancel it.

Does anyone know the ETA of XBR3? I was told that many places won't have this TV because it's something about limited distribution?

Unfortunately, XBR2 won't do because it has low WAF compares to the Samsung. it must be Piano black...

It's originally planned for more "upscale" retailers, so more like a Tweeter, Magnolia, etc. than a typical CC or BB, however your store stock may vary (YSSMV)

As for the WAF, the XBR2 has the interchangeable bezels whereas the XBR3 does not, so if she paints the room red, you can get a red bezel to match!
post #219 of 3414
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Originally Posted by SpeedNut View Post

As for the WAF, the XBR2 has the interchangeable bezels whereas the XBR3 does not, so if she paints the room red, you can get a red bezel to match!

The fact that there is even a WAF in the equation means SHE will make HIM paint the room.
post #220 of 3414
has anybody done any professional calibrations to thier xbr2 yet, or just the DVE/Avia calibrations. did the artifact tiling effect get reduced if u did??
post #221 of 3414
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Originally Posted by stuka View Post

Direct, as in, plugging the HDMI cable directly into the TV from the box.

I had it go from the dish box to the NAD M15, then from the M15 to the TV for HDMI switching that the NAD M15 does.


Got it, thanks a lot. That's what I was planning to do, but I didn't realize you had all those connections.
post #222 of 3414
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Originally Posted by MrWeinz View Post

That is pretty amazing that your receiver was causing so much distortion ... I almost wonder if AndrewScott was having a similar problem at home ...

Glad to hear you resolved the issue! (At least until you replace the receiver sometime down the line).


All of my inputs are direct. I have always hooked everything up from the source directly to the TV.

On another note, I'm happy to see other people are also acknowledging the issue. It does appear the more you weaken the source signal the more these issues occur. Unfortunately I have no way of strengthening my source signals since I am going straight from source to TV.
post #223 of 3414
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Originally Posted by Latin-Man View Post

has anybody done any professional calibrations to thier xbr2 yet, or just the DVE/Avia calibrations. did the artifact tiling effect get reduced if u did??

As a disclaimer, I am certainly not the most proficient at using the calibration software. I am still fairly new to this game. However, I did make attempts through the Digital Video Essentials software. I think it helps significantly with overall picture clarity, color, and contrast. With the motion artifact noted, it did not seem to make any differences. I am curious as to others experience. Thanks.
post #224 of 3414
OK... Just got my 46XBR2 tonight. First impression is GREAT!

1) I was not sure if I would get any HD content on my Comcast Basic service (I use DTV as my main feed), but I let the TV scan and it found the HD channels (I had to figure out what the ###.## channels were which since the TV does not translate those to Comcast channel numbers). They look GREAT! Even the SD digital (480ip) look pretty good... the NTSC stuff it found is just OK... a step below the digital SD channels.

2) Next on my list is to try my 1080i camcorder via HDMI and DTivo via S-Video.

My FEW complaints... which I have not seen anywhere on either of these XBR2/3 threads...

a) The black strip on all 4 sides (on the LCD panel itself, not the plastic bump out) is not symmetrical.. I have about 1/4" on the right and almost nothing on the left... is this common with others here or is mine mounted off center?

b) The black plastic around the screen (between silver bezel and LCD panel) is glossy... and on the edge facing the screen I get a lot of glare... it actually looks like a few columns of dead pixels (the panel black strip) since the plastic reflects picture light... so it appears, at about 6-7 ft, that I have columns of blank pixels on both sides of the screen (wider on the right since the LCD panel is off center)

Anyone else see these or am I just being too picky? I can take pictures if I have not described it clearly above or noone else has seen it...

c) Two HD channels on Comcast had no audio... one had alternate audio which I selected and is now fine... but ESPN2HD has no audio and no alternate audio channel listed... Littel leage World Series tonight... with no audio... any ideas?

d) On Comcast NBC local HD the audio is noticably lagged behind the video... in all DRC modes including off... do you think this is NBC problem? Local station problem? Comcast Problem? TV problem?

Jeff
post #225 of 3414
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Originally Posted by AndrewScott View Post

All of my inputs are direct. I have always hooked everything up from the source directly to the TV.

On another note, I'm happy to see other people are also acknowledging the issue. It does appear the more you weaken the source signal the more these issues occur. Unfortunately I have no way of strengthening my source signals since I am going straight from source to TV.

Interesting ... I will continue to ponder the issue ... I can't remember, but out of curiosity, are you viewing using cable or an OTA antenna? And if cable, are you using a DVR? I'm trying to figure out if you're using the internal tuner or a cable box. You said the issue also happened with dvd players directly connected, correct?

BTW: I was in Sony Style NYC today and saw their setup of the 40" XBR2. The feed was a split feed from satellite and SD channels weren't bad ... I was standing about 3 feet away and was pretty impressed with how it handled it. There was obvious SD distortion, but wasn't anywhere near as bad as I expected based on the comments here (and I really thought I was picky). That said, it's only my opinion and I intend to take delivery on the 46XBR3 if it ever ships. DiscoveryHD had a show about food in Disney World that was obviously compressed or recorded poorly on the channel's side ... because they switched to a "commercial" on DiscoveryHD for some other shows and it was flawless.
post #226 of 3414
A followup to my last post...

When viewing a Comcast 1080i channel (direct coax QAM internal tuner) I figured a 1080i signal woulld not be scaled at all... but switching to Full Pixel mode shows the portion of the picture around the edge I am missing in Normal mode. Only drawback is the yellow bar down the left edge of the screen... isn't there any way to get the full image and have the edge voids remain black? i.e. No scaling at all on 1080 signals and no off color side stripes?

Jeff
post #227 of 3414
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Originally Posted by MrWeinz View Post

Interesting ... I will continue to ponder the issue ... I can't remember, but out of curiosity, are you viewing using cable or an OTA antenna? And if cable, are you using a DVR? I'm trying to figure out if you're using the internal tuner or a cable box. You said the issue also happened with dvd players directly connected, correct?

BTW: I was in Sony Style NYC today and saw their setup of the 40" XBR2. The feed was a split feed from satellite and SD channels weren't bad ... I was standing about 3 feet away and was pretty impressed with how it handled it. There was obvious SD distortion, but wasn't anywhere near as bad as I expected based on the comments here (and I really thought I was picky). That said, it's only my opinion and I intend to take delivery on the 46XBR3 if it ever ships. DiscoveryHD had a show about food in Disney World that was obviously compressed or recorded poorly on the channel's side ... because they switched to a "commercial" on DiscoveryHD for some other shows and it was flawless.

That's the picture that I also saw a couple of times...actually I was there when they installed the TV and it didn't need a lot of changes (just the backlight) and the image was great: blue-ray, HDTV and even SD. Maybe my vision is not too good, but for me, SD looks more than OK.

Did I metion this is my first HDTV? Maybe that's why I'm not too picky.
post #228 of 3414
Another follow-up...

DVD on regular Sony Progressive player 480p via component looks VERY GOOD. King Kong. Almost as good as 1080i HD locals via Comcast.

DTivo SD via S-Video is not as good as Comcast digital SD 480p/i. It is acceptable... but makes me even more anxious to get rid of DTV when the new S3 Tivo comes out and I can get all Comcast content through Tivo...

Jeff
post #229 of 3414
What settings do you use with HTPCs?

I have a MacBook Pro and HP desktop connected thru HDMI 7 and 8 respectively. I've had this set for 2 days now, and I'm starting to notice little things.

In iTunes, both Windows and Mac, it's hard to read the text even from 4' away. I played around with the settings and they always result as being too blurry or having white specks around the letters.

I was hoping to make them look like they do on an Apple Cinema Display, which I use most of the time. I wouldn't think it's the graphics cards causing this since they look fine on the ACD.

Any suggestions?
post #230 of 3414
Ok, here are some pictures and video taken with a Canon SD500 with the flash off:

Setup:

DirecTivo HD10-250 HDVR output at 720p via RGB through my A/V Receiver to the XBR2 via RGB. My previous problem with macro blocking must have been the old RGB cables I was using. I went to Bestbuy and bought some Monster brand RGB cables, because I really didn't want to feed the XBR2 directly from the HDVR. I wanted my A/V to handle all the video switching. Well, the macro blocking is gone, even going RGB to the A/V to the XBR2.

I didn't take pictures of DVD input because my old 1999 Toshiba SD100 doesn't do the XBR2 justice. I'll wait til my Oppo971 arrives and post some from it.


Picture 1 Straight on from about 3 feet -

Picture 2 Left Angle -

Picture 3 Another Left Angle -

Picture 4 Top Left Angle -

Video - Will post Google Video link as soon as it is processed.
post #231 of 3414
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Originally Posted by jscozz View Post

a) The black strip on all 4 sides (on the LCD panel itself, not the plastic bump out) is not symmetrical.. I have about 1/4" on the right and almost nothing on the left... is this common with others here or is mine mounted off center?

I didn't notice them until I read your post. On my set, the top and left borders are thicker than the bottom and right borders. In fact, the bottom border is so thin I can barely see it. Incidentally, the borders on my Sharp look symmetrical. Interesting...

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Originally Posted by jscozz View Post

b) The black plastic around the screen (between silver bezel and LCD panel) is glossy... and on the edge facing the screen I get a lot of glare... it actually looks like a few columns of dead pixels (the panel black strip) since the plastic reflects picture light... so it appears, at about 6-7 ft, that I have columns of blank pixels on both sides of the screen (wider on the right since the LCD panel is off center)

The black plastic between the bezel and panel on my set has a matte finish. It doesn't reflect light at all. The glass does, unfortunately.
post #232 of 3414
All I get my 46" today and I will be hooking it up with my Verizon FiOS TV which has amazing PQ so I am excited to see how it will look on the Sony. Anyone else out there hooking the XBR up to Verizon? It seems from ther threads that the better the signal the better the SD PQ and Verizon seems to have the best PQ as it is all digital and not compressed. Going to get it and hook up on the lunch hour I will post more tonight with pictures.
post #233 of 3414
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Originally Posted by stubro View Post

All I get my 46" today and I will be hooking it up with my Verizon FiOS TV which has amazing PQ so I am excited to see how it will look on the Sony. Anyone else out there hooking the XBR up to Verizon? It seems from ther threads that the better the signal the better the SD PQ and Verizon seems to have the best PQ as it is all digital and not compressed. Going to get it and hook up on the lunch hour I will post more tonight with pictures.

Please post some pics along with your impressions. I have FIOS internet but I have not switched to FIOS TV but everything I hear is that their PQ is absolutely the best. I'm strongly considering the XBR3 and just need to determine whether it is a 46" or a 52". I actually think price will determine that for me.
post #234 of 3414
Need Help! Just popped in the Chronicals of Riddick and am having serious motion blur problems. The best way to describe it is image trailing. Case in point at about 7 minutes 45 seconds, they are entering the room with the cages. The bald guys head sways side to side when he enters. The image trailing is horrible. I have tried to correct it with the TV and am unable to. Any suggestions? .......................................Hooked up the player to my panny plasma and no image trail at all, ARGH!!!
post #235 of 3414
TV is on it base and I quickly turned on the cable etc with no tweaking and it was not stellar but I am not pre juding I need to mess with settings etc. I want to see the difference with my Oppo 971 so if I have to get Verizon out to fix the signal I can show them what is should look like. Can someone post their Oppo setting for the best resolution?
Thanks.

FYI - XBOX 360 looked great
post #236 of 3414
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Originally Posted by jscozz View Post

Another follow-up...

DVD on regular Sony Progressive player 480p via component looks VERY GOOD. King Kong. Almost as good as 1080i HD locals via Comcast.

DTivo SD via S-Video is not as good as Comcast digital SD 480p/i. It is acceptable... but makes me even more anxious to get rid of DTV when the new S3 Tivo comes out and I can get all Comcast content through Tivo...

Jeff

Why did Sony not put a Cable Card in this new line of sets? That was a nice option and other company still are coming out with the Cable Card in there sets.
post #237 of 3414
I happy to announce the 46xbr2 is in Toronto Canada. Mine is in at the Sony Store and they are delivering it on Saturday. Can't wait..
post #238 of 3414
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Originally Posted by jscozz View Post

A followup to my last post...

When viewing a Comcast 1080i channel (direct coax QAM internal tuner) I figured a 1080i signal woulld not be scaled at all... but switching to Full Pixel mode shows the portion of the picture around the edge I am missing in Normal mode. Only drawback is the yellow bar down the left edge of the screen... isn't there any way to get the full image and have the edge voids remain black? i.e. No scaling at all on 1080 signals and no off color side stripes?

Jeff

That yellow line is probably coming from the broadcast... Full Pixel puts the TV into Underscan which will show all of the "grabage" on the edges of a picture... some channels (especially my locals) have all kinds of wierd stuff on the edges-- I even saw off the edge of the weather map (greenscreen) earlier... this never used to be a problem with NTSC on CRTs because part of the NTSC standard includes Overscan-- there's about 10% of the picture that you technically aren't supposed to see.
Change the channel, you'll probably see that yellow line go away.
post #239 of 3414
What would be nice with the FUll pixel setting is a left and right "black zone" setting where you could set the number of pixel columns to black out on left and right per channel to get all the data and get rid of the overscan garbage.

Anyone have any idea on my ESPN2HD that gets no sound and no alternate audio is indicated?
post #240 of 3414
Any owners also own a Harmony remote? Are there discrete codes for power on, power off, input selection?

Thanks.
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