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post #61 of 3414
I'm loosing faith that we have to spend so much money to find out that we need to spend more to get these calibrated...... That's just not right....

I saw the XBR2 at my local cc, and it did look very nice!, and I think I will consider one after the new factor brings it down in price, the best and the earliest, wants a premium price tag. I'm having difficulties making a decision on which one to buy, it's getting harder and harder to make the choice.
The XBR2 would be top on the list.
post #62 of 3414
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Originally Posted by RoubaixPro View Post

I found a review of the Sony BRAVIA KDL-46XBR2 FYI.

By the way, I have owned a Pioneer Elite Pro-1130HD 50" plasma for about 4 months and am still lovin it with no motion blur or artifacting problems.


http://www.guidetohometheater.com/fl.../806sonykdl46/

The first page of this review has most of the settings that were changed to get the set running accurately. The Warm2 setting is supposed to be as close to 6500k but a little on the red side. I brought the red bias and gain down two clicks in the White Balance to adjust for this and it seems to look good. The only other thing I changed was the Clear White to its low setting to make the whites a little less red. The backlight should be set to 3 in most lighting situations so that the blacks are still deep. All of my changes were done by eye as it has yet to be calibrated properly, but it still looks good.
post #63 of 3414
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Originally Posted by Epicurus View Post

The first page of this review has most of the settings that were changed to get the set running accurately. The Warm2 setting is supposed to be as close to 6500k but a little on the red side. I brought the red bias and gain down two clicks in the White Balance to adjust for this and it seems to look good. The only other thing I changed was the Clear White to its low setting to make the whites a little less red. The backlight should be set to 3 in most lighting situations so that the blacks are still deep. All of my changes were done by eye as it has yet to be calibrated properly, but it still looks good.

That's the article that I used to base my settings on. I still like the backlight set higher. Will try some lower settings though. Is there any harm in running the backlight at a high setting? I found the Warm2 setting to be too red as well. The cool setting is not one that I've like in the past with other sets, but I really like it on this set.
post #64 of 3414
Hi folks - ordered my 40xbr2 today, along with the pioneer vsx-82txs receiver, and I'll either go Shaw HD (Moto DCT6216) or Bell Expressvu (Dish 942/ 9220 dual tuner), or maybe OTA.

Question: At least on the receiver/tv, which box do you think should do the upscaling? The receiver apparently has a pretty good upscaler, don't know how it compares to the Sony... And - I presume the best bet in Canada-west right now is with Bell rather than shaw - so that box should be set to 720p as that's what bell 'pushes' through their system??
post #65 of 3414
Ya, my initial thoughts were that Warm2 was to red, and even with the white balance changes I made, I still thought it overly warm. But since I don't have a calibration device I'm taking this reviewers word for it as he did use one. When you take this out of the box it runs on Vivid, so when you first change the temperature it just looks wrong. I've been running Warm2 for a couple of days and I have gotten used to it. This was the same case with my HS51 projector, when you first change it to a 6500k temperature from anything higher it looks red, but your eyes adjust.
post #66 of 3414
instead of adjusting the backlighting again and again for the different light conditions try turning on Light sensor in the set up menu.

if you adjust and set up the perfect picture during the day it might be to bright for night watching especially if you watch tv in a pitch black room

i don't know how many times I've been watching tv where it went from a long dark scene then a bright white commercial then it feels like your eye's are burning maybe its because i only sit 6ft away from the tv
post #67 of 3414
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Originally Posted by MUGEN View Post

instead of adjusting the backlighting again and again for the different light conditions try turning on Light sensor in the set up menu.

if you adjust and set up the perfect picture during the day it might be to bright for night watching especially if you watch tv in a pitch black room

i don't know how many times I've been watching tv where it went from a long dark scene then a bright white commercial then it feels like your eye's are burning maybe its because i only sit 6ft away from the tv

I've found the light sensor doesn't work too well. I have sunlight filling the room and I turn on the sensor and the picture becomes very dim. I initially thought the sensor wasn't working until I used a flashlight to verify it was indeed changing the backlight. It simply is too dull even when there is plenty of ambient light. Perhaps the light needs to be directly shining on the sensor where as my sunlight comes from the side of the room?
post #68 of 3414
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Originally Posted by AndrewScott View Post

I have posted this on the other XBR thread but I would like owner opinions...

Before I set off a firestorm of criticism with this pic "IT'S YOUR CABLE BOX STUPID!" kind of comments. This issue happens with my DVD player and with my Xbox. It does not appear to happen through the PC Input. So NO IT IS NOT MY CABLE BOX.

After taking 20-30 pictures I just happened to catch a screenshot when the camera was panning. Any kind of movement on the screen causes this artifacting and tiling effect. Again not just when watching cable.

It is most prevalent through the HDMI connections, though it does happen through Component with my XBOX.

This picture is an extreme example it does not look like this all the time only during a shot with a lot of movement. The rest of the time it looks like this only partially.

Any way you look at it it is unwatchable and unacceptable. I believe some of these TVs may be shipping out defective.

Incidentally due to the 800x600 limitation of the upload pic the problem is not as clear. You can still see it but it is not as dramatic.

I would love to hear responses but please no attacks. I love Sony TV's and I have waited a long time for this one and am extremely disappointed. If it can be corrected I will be thrilled. If I replace it and it works fine I will be thrilled. But after reading this forum I dont have much hope.

Incidentally this shot was taken with Custom settings and all the correcting DRC and NR turned off. It is even more obvious with these settings turned on.


I think you have a lemon.................Thats one messed up picture
post #69 of 3414
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Originally Posted by Epicurus View Post

I've found the light sensor doesn't work too well. I have sunlight filling the room and I turn on the sensor and the picture becomes very dim. I initially thought the sensor wasn't working until I used a flashlight to verify it was indeed changing the backlight. It simply is too dull even when there is plenty of ambient light. Perhaps the light needs to be directly shining on the sensor where as my sunlight comes from the side of the room?

it should work best if you have direct sunlight coming in from the windows. ambient light will not work well because the sensor is only seeing a little amount of light.
post #70 of 3414
Sorry to jump in without reading the whole thread, I was just wondering are these sets only available in-store BB & circuit city in the states?

I'm waiting for them to appear here in Canada, I hear it could be September, possibly October until they arrive. Does anyone know if they are available online anywhere yet?
post #71 of 3414
AndrewScott,

I think you have a lemon too. I have been watching DVD's with an old Toshiba non-upconverting DVD player thru component cables. I've watched all the LOTR's, Spiderman 1&2, Star Wars EP1-3, Incredibles, V for Vendetta...a lot more and none look like what you describe, I think the HD is incredible actually. My settings were factory, except Picture Mode was set to Normal instead of Vivid.

Since you've tried 2 sources, it doesn't sound like it could be your source. And since it sounds like you've tried difference inputs, it can't be just bad HDMI ports, or bad component ports.
post #72 of 3414
AndrewScott, I see you mention a UPS... Is this a filter or a straight UPS? If it is your everyday basic UPS have you tried unplugging the set from the UPS and going straight to the wall outlet?

Regards, lee
post #73 of 3414
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Originally Posted by jsmanson View Post

Hi folks - ordered my 40xbr2 today, along with the pioneer vsx-82txs receiver, and I'll either go Shaw HD (Moto DCT6216) or Bell Expressvu (Dish 942/ 9220 dual tuner), or maybe OTA.

Question: At least on the receiver/tv, which box do you think should do the upscaling? The receiver apparently has a pretty good upscaler, don't know how it compares to the Sony... And - I presume the best bet in Canada-west right now is with Bell rather than shaw - so that box should be set to 720p as that's what bell 'pushes' through their system??

I'm receiving Comcast HD through a Moto DCT6412 III. It sends (via HDMI) either 480i or 1080i to the TV (as indicated by the Display function of the TV's remote). I hooked up an RF splitter out of the wall so I could check out the TV's tuner (there was no option in the Moto to pass the raw signal to the TV). I compared some primetime (House?) HD broadcast on the TV, which now indicated the expected 720p, to that coming in from the Moto (1080i). I'll have to spend more time to make a call between the two, both looked quite good.
Byrne
post #74 of 3414
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Originally Posted by lsorenson1 View Post

AndrewScott, I see you mention a UPS... Is this a filter or a straight UPS? If it is your everyday basic UPS have you tried unplugging the set from the UPS and going straight to the wall outlet?

Regards, lee

I was thinking about that also. Most computer UPS's are square or stepped wave units for use with switching power supplies, IIRC. The TV may not like it very much. A simple trial of just plugging directly in the wall might be worth a try!
post #75 of 3414
Just a quick question for the people lucky enough to have one of these. How do you think a bias backlight like the CimemaQuest will work with the floating glass? Just about to go for a XBR3 when they arrive....
post #76 of 3414
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Originally Posted by skitime2 View Post

Just a quick question for the people lucky enough to have one of these. How do you think a bias backlight like the CimemaQuest will work with the floating glass? Just about to go for a XBR3 when they arrive....

I tried my bias light behind the display and it looked quite nice. The floating glass really doesn't distract or add to the watching experience, it's just a cosmetic feature to spice up the appearance of the set.
post #77 of 3414
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Originally Posted by Epicurus View Post

I tried my bias light behind the display and it looked quite nice. The floating glass really doesn't distract or add to the watching experience, it's just a cosmetic feature to spice up the appearance of the set.


I just hung mine on the wall, and it looks spectacular without the stand............I wish I could have waited for the XBR3 with its glossy black bezel...............Oh well, i guess I'll spring for the matte black bezel.
post #78 of 3414
Personally the matte black bezel sounds like a much better idea than the Glossy Black bezel which is why I switched to the XBR2.

Though I do enjoy looking at myself while watching tv.
post #79 of 3414
Well, I've played around with the TV at home now for a couple days and all I can say is WOW! Once you get the settings to your preference...I'm currently using lushmojo's with my own tweaks that seem to work quite well for movies and what not...I haven't gotten around to cable tv settings yet. Also, I hooked up my cable box with dvi-hdmi and the result is much better than the component cables, SD is very acceptable with the previously mentioned cables. For regular cable watching (SD, Digital, HD) anything less than Component cables will give you a less than acceptable picture. For any gamers out there looking to purchase an amazing hd tv this is the one, completely satisfied! To all owners...enjoy!

Oh, and if anyone else has some settings I'd love to see them, and if I come up with something I'll be happy to post as well.
post #80 of 3414
Slapshot1848, I'm sold. Now if the XBR3 would be available I could spend some of my moldy money.
post #81 of 3414



That looks horrible! Something is very wrong with your set. "HD - Now in glorious 108p!"
post #82 of 3414
Finally got everything hooked up after getting the TV last Friday.
And I'm still very happy about the set (except for the pain to manually label all the channels.)

Haven't really seen many new pictures posted in the last few days so I'm going to post a few here.

The first one is ESPN2HD directly from XBR2.
The second one is ESPN2HD through DCT6200 HD Receiver.
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post #83 of 3414
BTW, all pictures were taken from about 5ft away, 1/30s, F1.4, 50mm.

1. 1:1 crop of the espn2 logo directly from tv
2. 1:1 crop of the espn2 logo throught DCT6200
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post #84 of 3414
1:1 crop of PC screen using DVI-HDMI cable
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post #85 of 3414
xbox360 screen shots, component cable.
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post #86 of 3414
Last batch. 2 NBC HD and 1 NBC SD
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post #87 of 3414
Very nice.
post #88 of 3414
Regarding the over the air HD, will the tv automatically pick it up, or do I have to plug in the cable running from the wall into the tv to get this. The area I live is is very close to sea level and generally over the air reception is minimal unless there is an antenna. HD through the cable box looks phenominal.

Also, would DVI-HDMI cables from monoprice give me a better picture vs the bargin bin DVI-HDMI cables from Best Buy.... when the install person came to my house he gave me the cables from his truck that he said they used as "replacements" The wires look very thin and of not great quality, but even these "cheap" cables gave me a better picture than the component cables that the cable company got me.
post #89 of 3414
I have a DUMB question. If you wanted to check out OTA HD channels, and you have a digital cable box, I assume you simply turn off the cable box and the XBR2 will let you scroll thru the HD channels it picks up?

I have read where people suggested getting an antenna and mounting it in the attic to help with this, but I am not sure how to do that.

BTW I've had my 46XBR2 for 4 days now, still sitting in the box in my living room since I've been away from home every night this week. Finally getting to check it out tonight.
post #90 of 3414
[orginally posted on the old thread]
Purchased KDL-40XBR2 at Sony family store yesterday.
After hooking it up with cable (dish network) and dvd, first thing I checked was if there was the same issue I found on Samsung LNS4095D (returned).
Too bad. It was the same--- Picture of SD feed is sometimes greenish in some dark area, especially on hair or shadow. I did a side-by-side comparison with my Panasonic CRT. It's so easy to tell the difference.
OTA channels with HD content have no such problem. So my guess is that it's probably indroduced while the picture is being upconverted to this tv's native resolution. These two models both use the same video processing engine from the same company (Trident), and the same LCD panel. I guess this is why my observation was quite consistent.
The good thing is, KDL-40XBR2 allows you to adjust RGB gain and bias. This greenishness is suppressed to a acceptable level (or should I say satisfactory?).

Next, after a few hours of initial testing, I found the following on KDL-40XBR2 that are better than LNS4095D:
1. the green color looks much better (natural). LNS4095D looks ridiculously artificial. I watch baseball games a lot. Natural grass looks like bright-green turf on LNS4095D.
2. Did I mention how good this Sony's ATSC tuner is? It picked up twice the amount of channles than the Samsung did, and all of them give you steady programing without choking.


Overall experience for the 1st day is very positive. But I hope I can get some more info from you owners about the greenishness issue on SD picture.
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