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post #1 of 23
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The sewage we pump into the ocean is partially-treated for bacteria, but contains enormous amounts of 'nutrients' algae thrive on. The algae rapidly grow, then die, then fall to the seafloor. As the rot comsumes availible oxygen bottom dwellers die, creating 'dead zones' where nothing lives, save weeds and bacteria. There are many deadzones now, even off the coast of california between long beach and newport (my back yard), austrailia's great barrier reef, and maui to name a few. The number of dead zones roughly doubles every 10 years.

Fireweed is a bacteria that floats to the surface and emits toxins that kill big fish, the ones most like us. It makes human skin break in to rashes, burns eyes, throat, lips, skin and make nauseous and dizzy. When it floats to shore it covers the beaches. As it rotts, the wind blows the noxious burning stench in to nearby towns.

Corel reefs are turning in to forests of seaweed. An acidic shift prevents shell-based creatures from forming shells.

Over 90% of the big fish in the ocean have vanished in a short time mostly by the nets of fisherman. Meanwhile prehistoric creatures like crill and jellyfish are breeding like wildfire globally including off US shores. In Georgian waters fishermen netting canonball jellyfish-- sold to asians--are making twice as much as fishermen hunting down dwindling supplys of traditional shrimp.

A waterbelt flows between the US and Asia. Like two wheels in the belt, two whirlpools twice the size of Texas eternally swirl megatons of human trash (much of it plastic) that was pumped into the ocean or has drifted away from our beaches.

And these are just my words.

This is just a glimpse of what is covered in the LA Times online 5 part multimedia presentation.

Each part is short containing a few 2 min videos, ~15 pictures with subtitles, and 1 or two interactive diagrams, yet it's enough to think about for days. Don't pass up the pics with subtitles. It's all very informative.

Blow my mind.

edit:http://www.latimes.com/news/local/oc...842752.special

If your prudent and interested you should check it out fast. who knows if and when the LA Times will put it behind a paywall.
post #2 of 23
This seems to be a common theme for today's media presentation to the masses from the Pacific Coast. On my excite.com webpage there was this story about the same thing:

Global Warming Creating Oceanic Dead Zones

IN this article there is no mention of sewage leakages and man-made nutrients. However, they mention that it is the fault of global warming that is causing these dead zones. This articles says that global warming is causing cold nutrient rich waters to flow up from below and creating massive algal and plankton blooms that then die and fall to the bottom where bacteria eat them up.. yum.

However, as a fishery biologist and one that has worked on the Pacific Coast, I can tell you that the whole of the Pacific Coast would not be the bountiful garden of fish and resources it is today if it was not for the cold nutrient rich upwellings feeding the plankton, which in turn feeds the forage fish, which in turn feeds larger fish, and in turn feeds the whales and seals.

I am only commenting on the whole broader issue that the above article highlighted (global warming = bad influx of cold water = death). I whole heartedly agree that we are over-polluting and over-fishing our waters to our own detriment. One only needs to look at the near collapse of the salmon fishery in the mid90s. And this collapse seems to be raising its ugly head again this year with the huge closures of multiple stretches and seasons up and down the Pacific coast.
post #3 of 23
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The LA Times didn't mention global warming at all.

though in the back of my mind I did remember that glaciers reflect 90% of the light/heat and ocean water absorbs it. It made me picture the ocean waters getting warmer and creaper as the glaciers melt.

The LA Times article is great. It doesn't appear much of it can be refuted; time will tell.

Also in the back of my mind, i wonder what we will find after we have enough technology to find every creature in the ocean I'm sure there's some funky creatures hiding out. Maybe one big one the size of the Empire State Building! maybe not, but surely 1 or 243 creatures just as shocking.


As far as global warming. I saw gore's 'an inconvenient truth a few months ago when I first heard of it. The only ones in the audience was me and 12 really old people, and liz.

If you want to see gore and some experts on global warming speak for free, here:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...9882461&q=gore

47 min, one more interesting adventure
post #4 of 23
Hmm... the ice cap on MARS is melting too.. I suppose that is the fault of human activity there, too? Oh wait - everything we've dropped there was solar powered....

http://www.space.com/scienceastronom..._011206-1.html
post #5 of 23
It's disturbing what is happening to the oceans, but because it's not something that people see on a daily basis, it goes un-noticed. People just don't understand how important the oceans are for our survival and for the most part don't seem to care.

God forbid if the government actually did something productive..........
post #6 of 23
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It's disturbing what is happening to the oceans, but because it's not something that people see on a daily basis, it goes un-noticed. People just don't understand how important the oceans are for our survival and for the most part don't seem to care.

God forbid if the government actually did something productive..........

Why is it the government's fault?

We, the people, choose what vehicles to drive, where to live, how much to recycle, what organizations to support (with donations or purchases), what to eat, the temperature setting on our thermostats, what type of lifestyles to live, and the issues at the forefront for our media and legislatures.

It's our fault. The earth would get along just fine (much better) without us here. We need to figure out how to live here and still leave somewhere for our great-grandchildren grow food, hunt, relax, and retreat.

Why is a state that has insufficient amounts of its own water and has to steal it from the Colorado river our most populous?
Why are states with fertile soil AND adequate water losing said prime farmland at an alarming rate to leapfrog subdivisions, strip malls and factories?

We make the choices. Unfortunately, we usually make the wrong ones. (and the last presidential election wasn't one of them!) Issues like these are resolved at a local level. Punting responsibility for suburban growth, recycling, energy consumption, commuting, and consumer choices to the government (especially the federal government) is wrong. It all starts and ends with us, in how we live our lives each day.
post #7 of 23
I never said that it was the government's fault, so please don't put words in my mouth.

The largest contributor to these "dead spots", according to the LA times, is the dumping of partially treated water into the oceans. Water treatment plants are owned by local municipalities. I feel that it would be much easier for the federal or state government to step in and force the local municipalities towards stricter water quality standards.

I'm sure that they aren't going to listen to me knocking on their door and asking politely.

You speak of suburban growth......in my state (PA), all permits (building, right of way, etc) are issued by the local municipality, not the people who live in that particular town. The same goes with recycling.....also, controlled by the local municipality.

So, you can clearly see that they have control over some aspects.

Basically my initial post was saying that the government has much more leverage to enact quick, national change, than we do.
post #8 of 23
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The link I left in the original post only went to 'Part 1'. There are 5 parts. I edited the Original post link so it takes you to the page with all 5 parts.

here's the same link to all 5 parts:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/oc...842752.special
post #9 of 23
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I was going to go a different direction with spyderturbo's comment.

rant:
Spyderturbo, me and you are the government. Those paid government people are hired help.

If you or I haven't used your brain, or in some cases picked up a stick and shut some of these things down you are letting down the people around you.

Past that, it's hard to think about, but that's the frame of mind I think people should be in.
post #10 of 23
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...or in some cases picked up a stick and shut some of these things down...

That sounds violent? Perhaps more of the *problem* than you intend?


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Originally Posted by icecow View Post

...If you or I haven't used your brain...

Never gonna work. People need to use their own brains, or lack thereof.

(I'd even go so far as to guess *civilization* dictates you keep your hooves off Spyderturbo007's rhombencephalon )
post #11 of 23
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"If 'violence never solved anything,' cops wouldn't have guns and slaves may never have been freed."

I read it off a Starbucks cup. If you don't believe me google it.
post #12 of 23
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Wii, the people...

couldn't resist
post #13 of 23
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"If 'violence never solved anything,' cops wouldn't have guns and slaves may never have been freed."

What I'm talking about is a herd of cattle with sticks... stampeding... damaging property. And accomplishing little more than stirring everyone up to create a backlash, gelling partisan irrationality in ways that only hurt the cause they want to bring attention to?

(if you really wanna free the slaves, better have a stick big enough to finish the job?)
post #14 of 23
A much more intelligent approach (than violence or vandalism) is OT posting on this forum.
post #15 of 23
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If I were fringing on violence do you think that would be the right lecture and the right timing? brilliant. I've gotten out of a few hairy situations by knowing they aren't.

Sadly, i bet similar lectures and timing precede ~half of domestic violence cases.

ok, too much info

But to throw beef on the fire, I gotta tell you something accidentally funny that happened to me today.

I went to the post office to pick up a package (on my door I got the nonchalant card taht said you weren't here when we came, come pick it up). When I signed for it I commented 'ah, my package from Bulgaria'.

Then I went over to a table and like a fool I said, "am I allowed to open packages in here?" I don't know what I was thinking. Reading too many NSA type articles no doubt.
post #16 of 23
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Originally Posted by icecow View Post

rant:
Spyderturbo, me and you are the government. Those paid government people are hired help.

Let me rephrase that for you - are the government, bought and paid for. Substitute whoever you want for the placeholder.

If the HD/DRM discussions in this forum haven't convinced you already, that is.
post #17 of 23
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Here is another article that should completely blow you away. There's an aweful lot to know about plastic but few have given it much thought. By reading this article I'm guestimating I'm 1 out of 100,000 that know the first thing about plastic. Yip, yip, yay. Unfortunately, all the the information is quite depressing.

random points from the article:
>plastic continually breaks down to microscopic particles, but doesn't biodegrade (for a looooooong time)
>all plastic ever made basically still exists
>In the waterbelt between the US and japan swirls a floating plastic garbage patch twice the size as Texas. It is just one of the 5 or 6 such garbage patches in the oceans.
>Fish consume plastic the size of plankton, and plastic enters our food chain.
>There's 100s of chemicals in our bodies that weren't present in people 50 years ago.
>soda cans, caned foods, microwave popcorn bags are coated with plastic: another way plastic gets in our food supply.
>plastics in the food chain are linked to obesedy(sp), reproductive problems, all kinds of crap
>scientists are just starting to figure out the implications of eating/being exposed to plastic

The article is filled with tons of information, real brain food.


Our oceans are turning into Plastic
http://www.bestlifeonline.com/cms/pu...c_are_we.shtml



.....


trippily, less then a week ago I read an article about new plastic blood that can be used in ambulances. It has long shelf life and can be used quickly.(with video):
http://www.reuters.com/news/video/vi...?videoId=54039



P.S. btw, plastic is made from petrolium
post #18 of 23
I found the article interesting and I agreed with a significant portion.

I've been asking for years why we stopped using returnable glass bottles and replaced them all with disposable plastic for our pop.

HOWEVER, when I ran across "...media hits such as Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth..." in the article, I had to dismiss the whole thing as crap.

Looking a bit deeper to notice other off-topic liberal rants such as "...sounding not unlike the NRA..." and I had to print out the article to use for wiping my backside after a particularly fudgy, Frappuccino-infused defecation.
post #19 of 23
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Here's George Carlin's take:

The planet will be here for a long, long, LONG time after we're gone, and it will heal itself, it will cleanse itself, 'cause that's what it does. It's a self-correcting system. The air and the water will recover, the earth will be renewed, and if it's true that plastic is not degradable, well, the planet will simply incorporate plastic into a new pardigm: the earth plus plastic. The earth doesn't share our prejudice towards plastic. Plastic came out of the earth. The earth probably sees plastic as just another one of its children. Could be the only reason the earth allowed us to be spawned from it in the first place. It wanted plastic for itself. Didn't know how to make it. Needed us. Could be the answer to our age-old egocentric philosophical question, "Why are we here?" Plastic...ass*ole.
post #20 of 23
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...I had to print out the article to use for wiping my backside after a particularly fudgy, Frappuccino-infused defecation.

Guess you must be more like Rosie than you'd like to think?

(just in that Sheryl's single square of 2-ply is never enough)

Must have been one pie of a different cow?
post #21 of 23
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Wow, Sheryl Crow must have a really tight bod. When she does the front I bet there's like one drop.
post #22 of 23
For the front she just uses her sleeve.

(of course after 12 gallon blast of sparkling Badoit from the bidet, which recycles as low mineral Gin fountain, hydroponic spa and birdbath)
post #23 of 23
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nah, she has taste. For the front she uses a Q-Tip, and saves it so she can use the other end the next time, all awhile imagining a perfect drop of dew forming on the lips of the ~5000-7000 African children under 5 who die each day because the lack of availibility or contaminated water.

With that said, I haven't eaten all day. Off to choose some fattening/low nutrient food for dinner.

(I have no idea what this post means)
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