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post #151 of 2849
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What number is on the back? I'll ask the Wilsonart people I'm talking to if they can identify it.

I'm not sure if you answered this or not, but you didn't have any problems with the paint adhering to the laminate did you? If not and the laminate doesn't need to be sanded and primed with a special primer to have paint stick to it, this really makes this an interesting choice as a substrate. Like I said before, someone could put it up and use it as is until they are ready to paint it and kind of have the best of both worlds... a simple but good one step, yet staged for future screen upgrading with painting and tweaking if needed or desired. If the grays come up as viable options, we really have something exciting.
post #152 of 2849
I am not sure why someone would want to paint this. The only reason I can think of is if you couldn't get something bigger than 4x8 or you wanted something that you could take down and roll up. If it is the latter, then you may have some issues with microfracture of the paint. Eventually that would lead to cracking. If Wilsonart can come through with a D65 screen in a couple of different shades plus Designer White, then I think 95% of the people here would be happy with results as is.

Ericglo
post #153 of 2849
I painted the wilsonart Laminate because it DOES NOT perform well in ALOT of light, sunlight and artifical light. It does perform Very well when painted. I will have pictures tomorrow. They will show why somebody would want to buy about $15 worth of paints and transform a $50 peice of laminate into a very durable, high gain, ambient light screen.

wbassett, i'll get you a picture of the back with all the numbers tomorrow.
post #154 of 2849
Thread Starter 
I agreed with you rfisher... white screens of any kind aren't light friendly.
post #155 of 2849
I just took a peek at the screen and the results are amazing. The lights are full on and I see very bright and high contrast results. Will post the picture tomorrow.
post #156 of 2849
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Originally Posted by rfisher1968 View Post

I painted the wilsonart Laminate because it DOES NOT perform well in ALOT of light, sunlight and artifical light. It does perform Very well when painted. I will have pictures tomorrow. They will show why somebody would want to buy about $15 worth of paints and transform a $50 peice of laminate into a very durable, high gain, ambient light screen.

wbassett, i'll get you a picture of the back with all the numbers tomorrow.

Hey, I am not criticizing you. I just think if you are going to paint then there are less expensive substrates like MDF. Most people can purchase a 4x8 sheet of MDF for around $15.

Now, if you want to talk about paint mixtures then we can take that to another thread.

Ericglo
post #157 of 2849
Thread Starter 
Ericglo granted this thread is about laminate, but if the white, and maybe even the grays can be painted as well, it opens this stuff up as a precolored substrate anyone can use... as is or painted too. The more people that want this stuff the better it is for those of us trying to keep people interested in it. Painting it can be a different thread if it works.

It doesn't sounds like he has a sheet of any of the Wilsonart's we've seen. I am curious to see what Home Depot gave him...

I hate holiday weekends somethimes! This means we won't hear back from the Wilsonart color lab until mid-week at the earliest I think.
post #158 of 2849
rfisher-
Did you prime it or prep it before applying the paint?
I would be very curious to see if it peels or otherwise releases from the substrate. I have seen laminate painted before but "sizing" and priming were required.

wbasset,
I agree, I think this could make a great substrate for a topical reflective application. I would venture to guess that the reflective properties are inherently much greater with laminate than with some other substrates (wood, poly panels, drywall, etc). Given what we have seen with tiddler's paint on glass experiments it is, at least in my mind, within reason to expect better performance from painted laminate than from some of the others.
Taking this idea one step further, I wonder if painting a gloss finish laminate would have any significant effect?

The big question to me would be if one could effectively apply a roll on application on a large scale (5x10) without noticable traces (roller marks, etc)
post #159 of 2849
Thread Starter 
Right now I would have to recommend to people that want screens in excess of the 4x8 size that they solely want to paint to check into the Twin White screen material on the Rose Brand website. If they want something over 4x8 size to paint, that is cheaper, and it is actual screen material. Before anyone says anything, yes it is white, but it is available in very large sizes and it is paintable. Nobody is saying white works well in ambient light, so that isn't why it's a recommendation. It looks like something that could be used until you get it painted for an ambient light solution. It is after all actual screen material...

For a none paint solution, I have to say I think Wilsonart is coming in as the top contender right now. Yes people have used Formica and Pionite, but as of this writing Wilsonart is very open minded and they are trying to provide us with all the information we need. We need to work with them too though. If we show them we will buy, they will provide. They already have a huge market with counter top sales, and are willing to work with us, so let's work with them. NO I do not work for them or get any kick backs, so now that was said and done... They can even do custom colors if that is requested, but before we get all caught up in that, so will Formica, and I am sure Pionite will too.


I am excited and want this to be paintable as well as an extremely viable one step that offers whites and grays with very little effort, but I think we should go slow and get some long term data in. I would also love to see some of the guys that have experience with complex mixes and the skills painting to take a look at this and the data and see if the grays could be used as a premade base for an advanced top coat, but that should be explored in a separate thread the same as paint tests. Isn't that after all what this whole forum is about? We should work together and not try to compete. I don't want to sound like I am going back on what I just said, I think competition is good and healthy as long as it's friendly and people build on each other's efforts and experience... but we all should work together and build on things.

I think we are getting some very good data and disseminating that information. There are people on here that can even convert the laminate gray data into a paint formula, which to me is even more proof we should work together and be equally excited.

This was an extremely long post and I apologize about that and did not mean to interupt the flow of things here, but I really and passionately believe this...
post #160 of 2849
Well all I can say is that the mix I put on the laminate did not work as well on other substrates. The only other substrate that worked was the gloss pearl vinyl, but it had a weave pattern that was easy to see from a distance. I tried a PVC laminated material and the results where much less. I'm going to a tradeshow in Vegas in about 3 weeks and I'll be looking for similar glossy pearl vinyl but without the weave.
post #161 of 2849
Thread Starter 
That is actually a good thing to be reporting back then
post #162 of 2849
Information has been moved to RGB thread

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...66#post8358666
post #163 of 2849
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Originally Posted by rfisher1968 View Post

As for the paint mixture, it is Decoart Dazzling metallic shimmering silver, mixed with Decoart Dazzling metallic ice blue, Decoart Dazzling metallic crystal green, and Decoart Dazzling metallic glorious gold in a 20:1:1:1 ratio. Then I added polyacrylic semi-gloss with that mix at a 4:1 ratio.

This mix looks promising - did you roll or spray? How about starting a thread for it, and including some off-axis shots with a white reference?

Garry
post #164 of 2849
Yeah would be nice to keep all the painting and paint mixtures in a different thread and keep this to the laminates themselves. Not everyone wants or needs to paint a perfectly nice white screen.
post #165 of 2849
Its a post like that will keep my findings to myself!!!
post #166 of 2849
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Originally Posted by rfisher1968 View Post

Its a post like that will keep my findings to myself!!!

Rfisher,

Yes, you could do that, but there are others that are interested in your findings, I for one, so why don't you provide some more info in the thread tiddler started. I'm sure you would like to share your findings, otherwise you wouldn't have posted here. I'd love to see some screen shots without the ambient light.

Thanks
post #167 of 2849
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Originally Posted by rfisher1968 View Post

Its a post like that will keep my findings to myself!!!


That's a mature way of handling it. All I was saying is paints and paint mixes really need their own thread. Is that too much to ask? I for one will be interested in your findings, but no need in cluttering the current thread with the info. Might get more responses and views in it's own thread.
post #168 of 2849
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Originally Posted by rfisher1968 View Post

Well all I can say is that the mix I put on the laminate did not work as well on other substrates. The only other substrate that worked was the gloss pearl vinyl, but it had a weave pattern that was easy to see from a distance. I tried a PVC laminated material and the results where much less. I'm going to a tradeshow in Vegas in about 3 weeks and I'll be looking for similar glossy pearl vinyl but without the weave.

rfisher thanks for proving this is a paintable material. My concern was from reading on all the home improvement sites that there looked to be a special way needed to prep the material.

I think proving laminates are paintable is and was an important inclusion to this discussion to show this is a pretty versitle material, but we don't want to turn this specific thread into another paint thread. Don't get discouraged about the one comment rfisher... Tiddler has a new thread started specifically for the type of paint technique you are using and your mix as well as screen shots and info on laminate painting will fit in and be perfect over there... plus like Tiddler said we can cross reference between the two threads for people that are interested in just one of the topics.
post #169 of 2849
wbassett-
I've read all six pages and I didn't see a UPC and/or SKU for the Formica, Wilsonart or Pionite. Did I miss them? Can you provide them? -j
post #170 of 2849
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Originally Posted by skyman00 View Post

wbassett-
I've read all six pages and I didn't see a UPC and/or SKU for the Formica, Wilsonart or Pionite. Did I miss them? Can you provide them? -j


This is for Wilsonart Dallas, call them and ask about a location or distributor near you.
On page 2, WBassett lists all the grey and white sheets and gives the ID.#.

For the 5x10 sheets, they are usually special order and not kept in stock. For this reason it might be hard to come by the SKU.

I found mine by just going direct to the distributor.

Wilsonart Distribution Center
4051 La Reunion, ste 140
Dallas Texas 75212
(214) 634-2310
post #171 of 2849
Yeah, I saw the MFG item #s: D354, SW813, etc.
I am specifically interested in getting the UPCs.

Will also contact the mfg...-j
post #172 of 2849
Thread Starter 
Not sure why the UPC's would be needed, but we can find that information.

All you need is the color name and any Lowes or Home Depot can find the rest of the information, but having the color numbers I listed on the previous post couldn't hurt just to make sure it is the right material.

Just out of curiosity why do you need the UPC information? D354-60 will get you Designer White in a matte finish, the only other things you need to provide are what size you want, and how you will pay for it, wait 2-3 days for it to arrive, and mount it
post #173 of 2849
After some research, ...it doesn't have a UPC.
HD's SKU for Wilsonart D354-60 is: 741272

Edit:
HD's SKU for Formica 949-58 is: 467797
Couldn't locate the Pionite at my HD. -j
post #174 of 2849
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Originally Posted by skyman00 View Post

After some research, ...it doesn't have a UPC.
HD's SKU for Wilsonart D354-60 is: 741272

Edit:
HD's SKU for Formica 949-58 is: 467797
Couldn't locate the Pionite at my HD. -j

Is SKU that for a 5'x10' or 4'x8' piece?
post #175 of 2849
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Originally Posted by wbassett View Post

(snipped content) ...Just out of curiosity why do you need the UPC information? ...

The UPC (or SKU in HD's case) can be useful, because you can have HD do a SKU lookup and they can see if any other stores in your local area carry it. That way you could forgo the added $15 S/H fee.
post #176 of 2849
Has anybody tried the Wilsonart Pearl silver?
post #177 of 2849
Thread Starter 
Not that I know of, but I'm pretty sure that was one of the samples I sent to be analyzed... hopefully we will have that data this week.
post #178 of 2849
I live in the St. Louis area and just received a quote for a 5x10 designer white @ $2.42sq. ft. Seems kinda high compared to what others are getting it for? The lady asked me if I wanted the "vertical" or "post"? I just asked her which one rolled up and she said the post so that's what I got a quote on. I haven't checked Lowes yet so I still have my fingers crossed!
post #179 of 2849
Yes,
The SKU is for 30, 36, 48 and 60" widths. Lengths are 96, 120 and 144". This is for HD, not Lowes.
The handling fee($15 in my HD's case) is charged at the store when you buy it, so, no getting around that. Handling fee SKU: 331362

HD doesn't charge a handling fee for Formica.

My Lowes doesn't charge a handling fee, just more $ for retail price. So it's pretty much a wash.

Anyways, both of my HD and Lowes had the Formica and Wilsonart, but not the Pionite

I've got Pionite coming in from ESI, Inc out of Denver. I should have all 3 different peices in-house in 3- 10 days for some comparison testing. -j

Edit:
Pionite Denver dealer ESI: 303-295-1546. 3x4' test piece $18, s/h $10.
post #180 of 2849
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Originally Posted by mauitime View Post

I live in the St. Louis area and just received a quote for a 5x10 designer white @ $2.42sq. ft. Seems kinda high compared to what others are getting it for? The lady asked me if I wanted the "vertical" or "post"? I just asked her which one rolled up and she said the post so that's what I got a quote on. I haven't checked Lowes yet so I still have my fingers crossed!

mauitime... what's the difference with vertical vs. post? Would that make a difference in the price?

Just wondering, where in the STL area did you check? I am near Fairview Hts/O'fallon and was going to check out the HD there for prices.
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