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post #1 of 24
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Hello I am new to this forum. Last January I purchased the Sony SXRD 50 inch KDS-R50XBR1, while very satisfied with the purchase originally. I have now encountered a problem with the unit. What has happened is the picture has gone to a more green in color. Adjusting the color has gone all the way to the extreme red range. This was done to at least have a somewhat normal picture color. I have contacted the local Sony repair shop, they came out to my house and verified that I do have a problem. They said that the "engine" was breaking down. While it will be repaired under the warranty Sony provides, I did not buy an extended warranty from Magnolia. Sorry for the long windedness, my question is: Has anyone else with this unit or the 60 inch encountered the same problem. If so does this appear to be a once in a life time or chronic situation.

Sincerely Maxwell SXRD
post #2 of 24
max,

you should do a search,
you should find hours on hours to read.
Search "green blob".

nw
post #3 of 24
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Originally Posted by maxwell sxrd View Post

Hello I am new to this forum. Last January I purchased the Sony SXRD 50 inch KDS-R50XBR1, while very satisfied with the purchase originally. I have now encountered a problem with the unit. What has happened is the picture has gone to a more green in color. Adjusting the color has gone all the way to the extreme red range. This was done to at least have a somewhat normal picture color. I have contacted the local Sony repair shop, they came out to my house and verified that I do have a problem. They said that the "engine" was breaking down. While it will be repaired under the warranty Sony provides, I did not buy an extended warranty from Magnolia. Sorry for the long windedness, my question is: Has anyone else with this unit or the 60 inch encountered the same problem. If so does this appear to be a once in a life time or chronic situation.

Sincerely Maxwell SXRD

If your green discoloration affects the entire screen, and especially affects darker, shadowed parts of the picture (in the same way anywhere on the screen,) then something has thrown your white balance out of proper adjustment. For pro mode only, you can fix that in the Advanced section under White Balance. This can also be fixed for all modes by a professional callibrator.

On the other hand, if only a particular region of the screen is ever affected, and the green is especially visible when the picture on that part of the screen is gray, smoke, cloud, sand, rock, sky, water or skin, then you have the "green blob" problem. In this case, your set is defective. If you have an extended warranty from the retailer, contact the retailer. Sometimes replacing one or both of the "optical block" or the "ASU/DSU board" fixes the problem--and sometimes it doesn't. If it doesn't, you should be offered a replacement set.
post #4 of 24
I have the same television...and the same exact problem. Had a repair guy out and he said it was the driver board.
I called three weeks ago for service; took two weeks for someone to come look at the set, and I'm now waiting for him to get the part (from Sony). Is this a normal time frame to have something like this fixed? I'm starting to get very frustrated.
post #5 of 24
Thread Starter 
Back in August I asked the forum about the "Green Blob" problem. Well after an eight week wait I finally got the new engine from Sony. This repair was done under their factory warranty, by their authorized service rep. Just as I was settling in to enjoy my now fixed TV. I lose both picture and sound following a small popping noise. Turning off the set and returning it on. I got 90 blinks of green on the "Power/Standby", which then went to a series of 5 blinking red. The owners manual doesn't address this condition. So I purchased the service manual for the TV. In it the diagnosis is called "Lamp Driver Error". Is this another way of telling me the bulb burned out. Due to the fact that the "Lamp" LED did not flash. Or am I looking at something more serious. I am in contact with the repair center, who are becoming frustrated with the slow response from Sony on replacement parts.
post #6 of 24
Max

I'm experiencing the same problem with my 55A2000 and many others are too. I don't think it is the infamous green blob problem. I believe it is a different problem that is new to the A2000. People look like the Incredible Hulk. I too have reduced g-gain and g-bias and I'm sure that this problem didn't exist the first couple weeks I had the set. I'll be calling Sony too.
post #7 of 24
Max-
Not so good news...I too have the same Sony. I first encountered this problem with in 2 months of my purchase. Apparently I was the 1st to encounter this problem, as I got a "congratulations" from Sony repair! No, no prize, just several weeks of repair corresponding with Sony engineers from all over the Globe. They sent a replacement part that was NOT the same size as the original which caused more concerns from Sony repair, but after several more days and Overnight packages Sony said this was new "engine". Well, the picture did not look as good but local repair checked it twice and said it was within "parameters". Well now, 8 months later the same "Yellow/green" area is back, just in the lower right hand corner(upper right hand 1st time)! Local Sony repair has had the part on order for over a week but Sony has no parts in inventory, with no idea when part will be back in stock! I have spent several hours on phone with Sony, very courteous, but not helpful...I finally got an additional 3 MONTH EXTENSION ON MY WARRANTY...No not satisfactory. They want to wait till the part comes in and set repaired to discuss any further action! I am not going to settle for anything less than a FULL YEAR extension OR SET REPLACEMENT(Rep said it would have to be 4 times for that to happen)...I sense some kind of legal action, but my attorney will say it is not worth it BUT at $1100 to replace engine it kind of does to me!!! ANYONE ELSE HAVE ADVICE???? Thanks for reading...
post #8 of 24
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Originally Posted by wneslage View Post

Max-
Not so good news...I too have the same Sony. I first encountered this problem with in 2 months of my purchase. Apparently I was the 1st to encounter this problem, as I got a "congratulations" from Sony repair! No, no prize, just several weeks of repair corresponding with Sony engineers from all over the Globe. They sent a replacement part that was NOT the same size as the original which caused more concerns from Sony repair, but after several more days and Overnight packages Sony said this was new "engine". Well, the picture did not look as good but local repair checked it twice and said it was within "parameters". Well now, 8 months later the same "Yellow/green" area is back, just in the lower right hand corner(upper right hand 1st time)! Local Sony repair has had the part on order for over a week but Sony has no parts in inventory, with no idea when part will be back in stock! I have spent several hours on phone with Sony, very courteous, but not helpful...I finally got an additional 3 MONTH EXTENSION ON MY WARRANTY...No not satisfactory. They want to wait till the part comes in and set repaired to discuss any further action! I am not going to settle for anything less than a FULL YEAR extension OR SET REPLACEMENT(Rep said it would have to be 4 times for that to happen)...I sense some kind of legal action, but my attorney will say it is not worth it BUT at $1100 to replace engine it kind of does to me!!! ANYONE ELSE HAVE ADVICE???? Thanks for reading...

Keep calling and and asking to move up the chain of commend and talk to their supervisor. Don't give up it will get fixed or replaced in time, it just may take a little extra work on your part. Also if they extended your warranty for three months then you should be able to get an Extended warranty from Sony since the set is still covered.
post #9 of 24
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Originally Posted by maxwell sxrd View Post

Hello I am new to this forum. Last January I purchased the Sony SXRD 50 inch KDS-R50XBR1, while very satisfied with the purchase originally. I have now encountered a problem with the unit. What has happened is the picture has gone to a more green in color. Adjusting the color has gone all the way to the extreme red range. This was done to at least have a somewhat normal picture color. I have contacted the local Sony repair shop, they came out to my house and verified that I do have a problem. They said that the "engine" was breaking down. While it will be repaired under the warranty Sony provides, I did not buy an extended warranty from Magnolia. Sorry for the long windedness, my question is: Has anyone else with this unit or the 60 inch encountered the same problem. If so does this appear to be a once in a life time or chronic situation.

Sincerely Maxwell SXRD

If you bought locally and can return it that would honestly be you best solution. Return it and get something decent like the Mits 732 or 831.
post #10 of 24
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Originally Posted by sourcery View Post

If your green discoloration affects the entire screen, and especially affects darker, shadowed parts of the picture (in the same way anywhere on the screen,) then something has thrown your white balance out of proper adjustment. For pro mode only, you can fix that in the Advanced section under White Balance. This can also be fixed for all modes by a professional callibrator.

On the other hand, if only a particular region of the screen is ever affected, and the green is especially visible when the picture on that part of the screen is gray, smoke, cloud, sand, rock, sky, water or skin, then you have the "green blob" problem. In this case, your set is defective. If you have an extended warranty from the retailer, contact the retailer. Sometimes replacing one or both of the "optical block" or the "ASU/DSU board" fixes the problem--and sometimes it doesn't. If it doesn't, you should be offered a replacement set.

My 14-month old SXRD (KDS-R50XBR1 Sept '05 SP1 build) seems to have developed both of these problems. A couple of months ago, I started noticing a green shift when changing inputs from one of the HDMI connections to my component inputs. Usually a switch to another input and back to the component input would clear it up. Now, I appear to have a constant white balance issue on all inputs that is too extreme to fully correct with the user White Balance settings for green. A few days ago, a green blob showed up. It's shaped like the panhandle of Florida, starting at the top, right of center, and extending down about 3/4 of the screen's height. It's covering about 10% of the screen.
post #11 of 24
I have a similar problem where, as you describe, when I switch components to one with an HDMI cable, the entire screen goes green. Sony told me to get a new HDMI cable.

One thing that bothers me and I'd like to find a solution is that I need to cycle through all eight inputs to make any changes. I'd like to find out how to go "backwards" through the inputs so I can limit the number of inputs I have to cycle through. The owners manual does not include any information on how to "eliminate" or change the order of the inputs
post #12 of 24
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Originally Posted by mike60510 View Post

I have a similar problem where, as you describe, when I switch components to one with an HDMI cable, the entire screen goes green. Sony told me to get a new HDMI cable.

One thing that bothers me and I'd like to find a solution is that I need to cycle through all eight inputs to make any changes. I'd like to find out how to go "backwards" through the inputs so I can limit the number of inputs I have to cycle through. The owners manual does not include any information on how to "eliminate" or change the order of the inputs

On Pg 96 of my manual are instructions on disabling un-used inputs. Under the Settings menu, go to Label Video Inputs and select "skip" for each of your un-used inputs. The order can't be changed and you can't go backwards, but you can get rid of the un-used ones.

BTW - the TV has discrete codes for each input, but the remote doesn't support them. Use of a programmable remote, such as a Harmony, will allow you to program keys to go directly to a particular input without having to cycle through them.

Thanks for the HDMI cable suggestion. Since my color issue is when I go from HDMI to component, it may not help, but it's something to consider once I get the set fixed.
post #13 of 24
the best TV now is the Mitsubishi. It has received the highest rating of any TV...EVER...by CNET.
http://reviews.cnet.com/4323-6531_7-...5.html?tag=dir


You should avoid the SXRD like the plague. The SXRD has a defective design in the light engine which results in a green hazey discoloration normally seen as a donut in the center of the screen, but can exist anywhere. The defect is called the green glob, or green blob. If you do a search on that term in this forum you will quickly come to the right decision.

I had two light engines replaced on my SXRD, before I researched and discovered the design defect. Then i was able to return the set and got something decent, the Mitsubishi 65831, the most highly rated TV ever!

Sony went to SXRD technology as a way to get the pixel lenses closer together to eliminate the screen door effect typical of LCOS. Unfortunately, the engineers forgot about tolerances, temperature effects and the physics of light called refraction. The pixel lense edges, in this defective design, will move in relation to each other due to many reasons, primarily temp expansion/contraction. When this distance is not controlled, the result is light refraction, or bending around these edges and splitting up the color components. The distortion is usually the shape of the chips heat sink which is a round attachment near the center, hence the round donut shaped distortion everyone usually sees.

100% of all SXRD have the defect. Some more pronounced then others. But over time, the Green Glob will ruin your picture. Doesnt matter if its XBR1 or XBR2, if it used SXRD, it has the GREEN GlOB.
post #14 of 24
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Originally Posted by dasani20ox View Post

the best TV now is the Mitsubishi. It has received the highest rating of any TV...EVER...by CNET.
http://reviews.cnet.com/4323-6531_7-...5.html?tag=dir


You should avoid the SXRD like the plague. The SXRD has a defective design in the light engine which results in a green hazey discoloration normally seen as a donut in the center of the screen, but can exist anywhere. The defect is called the green glob, or green blob. If you do a search on that term in this forum you will quickly come to the right decision.

I had two light engines replaced on my SXRD, before I researched and discovered the design defect. Then i was able to return the set and got something decent, the Mitsubishi 65831, the most highly rated TV ever!

Sony went to SXRD technology as a way to get the pixel lenses closer together to eliminate the screen door effect typical of LCOS. Unfortunately, the engineers forgot about tolerances, temperature effects and the physics of light called refraction. The pixel lense edges, in this defective design, will move in relation to each other due to many reasons, primarily temp expansion/contraction. When this distance is not controlled, the result is light refraction, or bending around these edges and splitting up the color components. The distortion is usually the shape of the chips heat sink which is a round attachment near the center, hence the round donut shaped distortion everyone usually sees.

100% of all SXRD have the defect. Some more pronounced then others. But over time, the Green Glob will ruin your picture. Doesnt matter if its XBR1 or XBR2, if it used SXRD, it has the GREEN GlOB.

YOU ARE A FRIGGIN' TROLL.
post #15 of 24
Hello, I'm new to the forum. Had the green blob problem, which Sony resolved promptly with a new engine, but now I'm having problems with the digital tuner- first dropping the signal,and now not recognizing any digital channelsat all. My other digital receivers get a strong signal and good picture. Has anyone else had or heard of this new problem?
Thanks,
Emerson1958
post #16 of 24
Gee, well done on bringing back an 18+ month old thread. Some threads like this are better left to die (and preferably closed). No good will come of this.
post #17 of 24
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Originally Posted by WaldorfSalad View Post

Gee, well done on bringing back an 18+ month old thread. Some threads like this are better left to die (and preferably closed). No good will come of this.

well, good already became of it....it proved someone wasnt a troll
post #18 of 24
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Originally Posted by dasani20ox View Post

the best TV now is the Mitsubishi. It has received the highest rating of any TV...EVER...by CNET.
http://reviews.cnet.com/4323-6531_7-...5.html?tag=dir


You should avoid the SXRD like the plague. The SXRD has a defective design in the light engine which results in a green hazey discoloration normally seen as a donut in the center of the screen, but can exist anywhere. The defect is called the green glob, or green blob. If you do a search on that term in this forum you will quickly come to the right decision.

I had two light engines replaced on my SXRD, before I researched and discovered the design defect. Then i was able to return the set and got something decent, the Mitsubishi 65831, the most highly rated TV ever!

Sony went to SXRD technology as a way to get the pixel lenses closer together to eliminate the screen door effect typical of LCOS. Unfortunately, the engineers forgot about tolerances, temperature effects and the physics of light called refraction. The pixel lense edges, in this defective design, will move in relation to each other due to many reasons, primarily temp expansion/contraction. When this distance is not controlled, the result is light refraction, or bending around these edges and splitting up the color components. The distortion is usually the shape of the chips heat sink which is a round attachment near the center, hence the round donut shaped distortion everyone usually sees.

100% of all SXRD have the defect. Some more pronounced then others. But over time, the Green Glob will ruin your picture. Doesnt matter if its XBR1 or XBR2, if it used SXRD, it has the GREEN GlOB.



Dude, are you still going strong bashing the sxrd? LOL.
post #19 of 24
Desani's comment was from January.

EDIT: And apparently that was one of his last comments.
post #20 of 24
January 2007 !!!!
post #21 of 24
I didn't even notice the year! So this Desani guy has been a right bastard for over a year and half! We should open this thread back up a year from now and see if he still said the same thing back in Jan 2007.
post #22 of 24
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Originally Posted by HappyFunBoater View Post

I didn't even notice the year! So this Desani guy has been a right bastard for over a year and half! We should open this thread back up a year from now and see if he still said the same thing back in Jan 2007.

He was right that the XBR2s had the problem - probably the first to state as such. I will give him credit where its due.
post #23 of 24
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Originally Posted by BeachComber View Post

well, good already became of it....it proved someone wasnt a troll

Creating 50+ aliases (all of which were banned) to spam AVS with hundreds and hundreds of ridiculuous posts was most definitely trollish. Yes, there was a problem with the SXRDs (I encountered it myself) but the tactics and behavior that were used back then (1-1/2 to 2 years ago) were entirely inappropriate. We don't need an encore performance 2 years later.
post #24 of 24
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Originally Posted by BeachComber View Post

He was right that the XBR2s had the problem - probably the first to state as such. I will give him credit where its due.

He was referring to the XBR1 and making a guess about the XBR2. Yeah, it turned out he was right, but it seems to just be luck. He was exhibiting trollish behavior just to stir things up. I wonder what alias he's posting under now.
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