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post #4021 of 6414
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Originally Posted by Denophile View Post

my 1007 be's (used as surounds) came with the focal stands--theyre nothing special--if thats what is stopping you id look elsewhere for the stands--the speakers are magical. have you heard them yet? i havent heard the new series yet but i was listening to patricia barber's new(er) cd and madeline peyroux last night on the 7 series bes--im continually blown away by how well they disappear and make music come alive. are these the only speakers that so this--definitely not but they are the only ones that do it like this...
cheers

How speakers just dissapear in the room is my biggest wish. Natural speakers that don't draw any attention to themselfs, is the best thing for me. I just keep thinking about the huge price jump from my current Chorus set

No i haven't heard them. I keep telling myself i don't need such expensive speakers, but i can't seem to get them out of my head. Some part of me, just keeps thinking that i'll never be fully pleased until i move to the Be series.

So i might end up with different stands, and get the BE's at some point anyway
post #4022 of 6414
Sorry for the long delay in getting pictures up.


Follow this link: http://s40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...ome%20theater/ and you will find 12 pics and a video of the room.

As far as speakers go here is the breakdown:

Front Left and Right Towers: Focal Electra 1027BE

Center Channel: Focal Electra CC1000BE

Rear surrounds left and right: Focal SR1000BE bipoles

Subwoofer: Focal SW1000BE

On my media center I have:

Processor: Onkyo Pro PR-SC886P

Amplifier: B&K Components Reference 7250 (200x5 at 8 ohm, 350x5@4ohm)

Bluray players: PS3 and Windows 7 based media center PC

TV: Samsung LN46A950 LED backlit 1080p 120hz LCD

DVR/Cable service: AT&T Uverse with U450 package and 18mbps internet

Signal cables: Monster Interlink 300 Mk II

Speaker Wire: KnuKonceptz Kasa 10awg cable


The room I'm using for this setup was an addition a previous owner made to the home and there is no way to access the attic above the room to run wires through the wall so some of them can be seen but it gets the job done. The sound in here is amazing. As you can see I have a bluetooth keyboard for my media center PC and use the 46'' LCD as my computer monitor. Check out the pics and let me know what you think.
post #4023 of 6414
wow thats a sweet setup--ever tried a different digital source or analog (vinyl)?
post #4024 of 6414
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Originally Posted by Isar View Post

How speakers just dissapear in the room is my biggest wish. Natural speakers that don't draw any attention to themselfs, is the best thing for me. I just keep thinking about the huge price jump from my current Chorus set

No i haven't heard them. I keep telling myself i don't need such expensive speakers, but i can't seem to get them out of my head. Some part of me, just keeps thinking that i'll never be fully pleased until i move to the Be series.

So i might end up with different stands, and get the BE's at some point anyway

i know what you mean-i had expected tpospend half w2hat i did on my 1027s--the 1xx7's are a geeat bargain these days--as much as i like my 806v's--the 1xx7 series is a step up in resolution--although i could see some preferring eithr one--the ability to disdappear and come across as a a high resolution, you are there soure, is definitly better with the 1xx7 series...whether its worth the price regarding difference in sq--only you can call that one...
post #4025 of 6414
Hey Matt, that is a sweet setup. I am almost there. A few more years and I will be finished. BTW I love vinyl. I just played some 180g Stevie Ray Vaughn and it was incredible. Thanks for posting your system. For me, I have the following time line. I just ordered room treatments(GIK) so they should be up in a few weeks. Then I am going to get rid of my 34in tube and get a flat panel. Probably plasma but we shall see. Then I need to get a new HT preamp so I can do True Dolby Digital and The DTS formats. Then comes the big one. I will start to save for the DartZeel integrated amp. After that I will upgrade my surrounds. You can click on the my system link and see what my setup looks like and what it used to look like. But congrats on your setup. By the way, I really like how the 1027's and cc1000be mesh together. I am sure you will enjoy your system for a long time.
post #4026 of 6414
Matt, I am glad to see that I am not the only person here that has a smaller room. You really did a great job setting it up and picking great gear. Do you have treatments yet? I hope to have them soon. I had to make some compromises becasue of my room layout but I am still pretty confident that it will be a nice upgrade in SQ. Plus, I found something treatments I can use that should help me out over my window and closet. I might add some more pictures there tommorow that show the sides of my room. But again, you have a great system there .
post #4027 of 6414
Matt...
thanks for posting the pics. thats alot of speaker for a small room!!!

I'm curious about your PC.
What kind sound and video cards are you using and how/where are they connected. I'm considering doing the same.
post #4028 of 6414
Thanks for all the compliments. I haven't done any room treatments yet. I'm trying to start the Professional MBA program at LSU in August so I'll be going to night classes and continuing to work my day job. That program is about 40k though so I've cut back spending on non necessities at this point.

I've got the computer hooked up via DVI to HDMI cable for video and optical for audio. The sound card came with the PC but with it connected via optical it shouldn't hurt the sound much. There is no discernable difference between it and the PS3 hooked up via HDMI. I basically let the 886 do all of the digital to analog conversion. I have yet to try a dedicated CD player or record player on the system yet although my parents have a nice size record collection and a player that I may borrow to try it out.

There are certainly nicer processors and amplifiers I could have bought but for the price I paid for the B&K 7250 and the Onkyo 886 I am very satisfied. The 1027BE's sound great on all types of music and the entire setup sounds rediculous on movies. Maybe its the small room but it really gives a sense of being in the movie.

While I wish I would have known the new thin LED TV's would have been available 2 months after I got my 950 series I am still impressed with its picture quality. I have had many say that with certain blu ray movies you can actually tell they are on a movie set. Its got a very detailed picture that meshes well with the awesome sound. If any of you guys are ever in South Louisiana come check it out.
post #4029 of 6414
Not sure if you guys are looking for bookshelfs or a set of 1027BEs but there are some on ebay right now at a really low price:

Focal Micro Utopia:

http://cgi.ebay.com/JMLAB-Focal-Jm-L...item1c0f320c42

Focal 1007BE:

http://cgi.ebay.com/FOCAL-JM-Labs-El...item439c834ea3

Focal 1027BE:

http://cgi.ebay.com/JM-Lab-Focal-102...item33590370ca

Just thought I'd throw these up in case someone was looking for any of this. I got all of my gear from similar deals found on ebay and audiogon.
post #4030 of 6414
Matt,

Great set-up. I noticed you are using the SW1000be as your sub and I'm wondering how it sounds musically. I'm planning to upgrade my sub that will match my 1000be series HT system especially for music. My current Outlaw sub is fine for movies but it could be better for concerts and sacd. My local dealer doesn't stock your sub so I have no way of auditioning or comparing to other subs. The cost of the SW1000be is much more than I wish to spend unless I find it used.

I went to another dealer and he had only a SW800v on display, but I was able to compare it to a JL Audio F110. The JL was much more detailed compared to the SW800v which sounded muddy plus the JL costs 2x as much. I'm currently leaning towards the JL but I want to audition other subs in this range.

If anyone has any other recommendation it will be greatly appreciated.

Ron
post #4031 of 6414
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Originally Posted by ronrags View Post

Matt,

Great set-up. I noticed you are using the SW1000be as your sub and I'm wondering how it sounds musically. I'm planning to upgrade my sub that will match my 1000be series HT system especially for music. My current Outlaw sub is fine for movies but it could be better for concerts and sacd. My local dealer doesn't stock your sub so I have no way of auditioning or comparing to other subs. The cost of the SW1000be is much more than I wish to spend unless I find it used.

I went to another dealer and he had only a SW800v on display, but I was able to compare it to a JL Audio F110. The JL was much more detailed compared to the SW800v which sounded muddy plus the JL costs 2x as much. I'm currently leaning towards the JL but I want to audition other subs in this range.

If anyone has any other recommendation it will be greatly appreciated.

Ron

i went with sealed (acoustic suspension) velidynes (splr-1200X2 and splr-800X2 and I find them to be pretty tight and compliment the 1027's tight but warm bass quite well--just another option. then again, if I had the money at the time i am sure i would have gone with the jl... I have also heard the martin logan abyss compliments focals well but havent hard it with them so I cant vouch for it personally.
cheers
post #4032 of 6414
Ron, as you know I have the 1027be's and a cc1000be at this point. I don't have the surrounds yet but I will at some point. I am using a Seaton Sound SubMersive1 as my sub. It is a great sub. Current retail is $1995+shipping. Now it is not as small as the other options you mention. But it does blend very well with my speakers. I don't use it for 2ch music but for dvd concerts it sounds great. The sub really sounds very good with the rest of the system. I also know that there are at least a few high end systems that double for high end 2ch setups that use a SubMersive. Plus there are now more finishing options but that will raise the price a bit. If you want small and good, the options may be a bit light. JL being at the forefront of that. If you can acomidate a bigger sub I can honestly recommend the SubMersive1.
post #4033 of 6414
Mike/Denophile,

Thanks for your replys!

I looked up the Velodyne and the model with the room correction is the Optimum. Their 10" model retails for $1699 and is on sale for $1299 and their 12" is on sale for $1499. The JL F-110 lists for $2200 and I could get it for $1400. My room is 18X13X8 and I'm more concerned about the detail and tighter bass than shaking the walls!

Which one would you pick?
post #4034 of 6414
Here's my latest update. I went to my local Focal dealer this afternoon and he recommended the Paradigm Sub-12 along with the room correction kit. I probably can get both under $2k. Avguide also gave it a great write-up. Unfortunately this dealer doesn't have the proper set-up for comparing subs. I need to seek out other dealers and hopefully I might find one that does.

Buying a sub is more difficult than I thought!
post #4035 of 6414
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Originally Posted by ronrags View Post

Mike/Denophile,

Thanks for your replys!

I looked up the Velodyne and the model with the room correction is the Optimum. Their 10" model retails for $1699 and is on sale for $1299 and their 12" is on sale for $1499. The JL F-110 lists for $2200 and I could get it for $1400. My room is 18X13X8 and I'm more concerned about the detail and tighter bass than shaking the walls!

Which one would you pick?

just my 2 cents....

I heard the JL F112 when I auditioned my Profiles.
It was running with some 908 bookshelves.
They had a Dave Matthews Band BRD playing and it was phenomenal. Kick drums were tight and punchy, deep bass notes were very clean and concise.
A few reviews i read after all used the term "musical", which you dont hear too often in reference to subwoofers. It also comes with a set-up mic for auto calibration; should that be important to you.

Now that I have my new Oppo BDP-83SE, a JL sub has moved to the top of my wish list.

It should be on your short list.....
post #4036 of 6414
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Originally Posted by acopeman View Post

just my 2 cents....

I heard the JL F112 when I auditioned my Profiles.
It was running with some 908 bookshelves.
They had a Dave Matthews Band BRD playing and it was phenomenal. Kick drums were tight and punchy, deep bass notes were very clean and concise.
A few reviews i read after all used the term "musical", which you dont hear too often in reference to subwoofers. It also comes with a set-up mic for auto calibration; should that be important to you.

Now that I have my new Oppo BDP-83SE, a JL sub has moved to the top of my wish list.

It should be on your short list.....

I appreciate your 2 cents. After reading many reviews I'm leaning towards the JL also!
post #4037 of 6414
You certainly can't go wrong with the JL subs. My local B&W dealer has this sub in the room with the 802D towers if that tells you anything. Its really nice.

I was able to get the Focal sub used for a hell of a price. It sounds great and blends well on concert dvd's etc. Like the other guys mentioned, I don't usually play it with 2 channel stereo music though. On movies it does very well and blends well with the towers. It has plenty of output and the tight, musical output I've come to expect from Focal woofers.
post #4038 of 6414
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Originally Posted by MattSibley View Post

You certainly can't go wrong with the JL subs. My local B&W dealer has this sub in the room with the 802D towers if that tells you anything. Its really nice.

I was able to get the Focal sub used for a hell of a price. It sounds great and blends well on concert dvd's etc. Like the other guys mentioned, I don't usually play it with 2 channel stereo music though. On movies it does very well and blends well with the towers. It has plenty of output and the tight, musical output I've come to expect from Focal woofers.

If I can get a used Focal sub for around $2k I would, but I never saw it for sale used.

My other concern is whether the 10" JL would work in a 18x13x8 room or should I go for the 12" which is more than I wish to spend. One write-up I read recommended either 2 F110s or 1 F112. There is also great write-up on the website 10audio for the F112 and also for the Velodyne Optimum-12. They were both given a rating of 9.5/10. The reviewer noted the Velodyne was easier to integrate with the other speakers.
post #4039 of 6414
Ron, so your room is just over 1800cf. I forget if you said if it is sealed. If the sub is placed close to you, it [i]might/I] be possible to get away with the 10in JL. But two would be better. It would give you more output. But it would not give you lower extension. If you could swing the f112 that would probably be my first choice. From what I remember reading it is close to the f113 in performance.
post #4040 of 6414
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Originally Posted by MIkeDuke View Post

Ron, so your room is just over 1800cf. I forget if you said if it is sealed. If the sub is placed close to you, it [i]might/I] be possible to get away with the 10in JL. But two would be better. It would give you more output. But it would not give you lower extension. If you could swing the f112 that would probably be my first choice. From what I remember reading it is close to the f113 in performance.

The room has a 3' and 4' opening on the right side corner walls. My current sub is on the opposite wall between the left speaker and my sitting area. This location actually gave me the most bass output. As I said above, I'm not looking to shake walls but have a detailed and accurate bass response for dvd concerts and SACDs.
post #4041 of 6414
where could I find a dealer for Focal Electra series if I live in Salem, Oregon, USA?

heck, any way I could physically get them in the USA would be great to know.

I know there is a dealer that sells focal in Portland, Oregon, but all I see on their website is monitor speakers, I still need to visit the location to see if they would sell more but was just wondering what some USA Focal dealers would be, preferably in the Northwest.
post #4042 of 6414
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Originally Posted by panzeroceania View Post

where could I find a dealer for Focal Electra series if I live in Salem, Oregon, USA?

heck, any way I could physically get them in the USA would be great to know.

I know there is a dealer that sells focal in Portland, Oregon, but all I see on their website is monitor speakers, I still need to visit the location to see if they would sell more but was just wondering what some USA Focal dealers would be, preferably in the Northwest.

https://www.apscompass.com/dealer-locator.aspx
You can try that site. Audioplus Services is the parent company of Focal in charge of importing and distribution.
post #4043 of 6414
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Originally Posted by ronrags View Post

The room has a 3' and 4' opening on the right side corner walls. My current sub is on the opposite wall between the left speaker and my sitting area. This location actually gave me the most bass output. As I said above, I'm not looking to shake walls but have a detailed and accurate bass response for dvd concerts and SACDs.

I Understand what you are looking for. You just don't want to have the sub struggle. Maybe the best thing to do is to try and go to a local dealer and see if they will allow a home demo. If this is for %100 music ie concerts and SACD's then you might be ok with the 10in. It would probably add weight to whatever you are listening to but it would not bring the house down. But if this is for movies as well, I would still recommend the 12in. I just feel that it would handle the movies easier, even at a sane level. But that is just me.
post #4044 of 6414
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Originally Posted by MIkeDuke View Post

I Understand what you are looking for. You just don't want to have the sub struggle. Maybe the best thing to do is to try and go to a local dealer and see if they will allow a home demo. If this is for %100 music ie concerts and SACD's then you might be ok with the 10in. It would probably add weight to whatever you are listening to but it would not bring the house down. But if this is for movies as well, I would still recommend the 12in. I just feel that it would handle the movies easier, even at a sane level. But that is just me.

Mike,

Good point. I watch movies 75% and the rest is concerts and sacd's. Unfortunately my so called "local dealer" doesn't allow a home demo and he only carries Focal and Paradigm subs. The only JL dealer in my area is 25 miles away and I'm not sure if they would allow a home demo. I'm planning to stop by this dealer soon and hope to audition the JL's there.

BTW-Nice pics of your set-up. I too have GIK accoustic panels and they work well.
post #4045 of 6414
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Originally Posted by ronrags View Post

Mike,

Good point. I watch movies 75% and the rest is concerts and sacd's. Unfortunately my so called "local dealer" doesn't allow a home demo and he only carries Focal and Paradigm subs. The only JL dealer in my area is 25 miles away and I'm not sure if they would allow a home demo. I'm planning to stop by this dealer soon and hope to audition the JL's there.

BTW-Nice pics of your set-up. I too have GIK accoustic panels and they work well.

Thanks. I like my setup. I will have my 8 GIK traps that are going up today. The new Paradigms are supposed to be good as well. I just don't know off hand what paradigm has in your price range. Hopefully that other dealer will have some JL's. I would of course call ahead first becasue 25 miles is still a bit of distance to drive only to find out they don't have anything there. Keep us updated.
post #4046 of 6414
I've owned a lot of subs over the years, and the best I've ever had the pleasure of having in my system (including a Focal Electra sub) are SVS subs. They have a 30 day trial I believe. Maybe you should consider them as well.
post #4047 of 6414
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Originally Posted by d_m1010 View Post

I've owned a lot of subs over the years, and the best I've ever had the pleasure of having in my system (including a Focal Electra sub) are SVS subs. They have a 30 day trial I believe. Maybe you should consider them as well.

Thanks but I'm looking for a sub with the built-in equalization and SVS doesn't make one.
post #4048 of 6414
I have the 30th anniversary 826w with velodyne optimum 12 sub
They work great together
post #4049 of 6414
So it's a small step I know, but I'm ready for more. I just bought a pair of Focal in-ceiling speakers (106 I believe), for music in my kitchen, and they sound incredible! I am now looking at getting the a pair od the Domes with the subwoofers for my living room, again, mainly for music and was wondering if any of you Dome users would chime in on whether that's a good way to go. they'll be powered by a Denon 4800. If nothing else, just sharing my joy .

Thanks,
Rony.
post #4050 of 6414
I just got a pair of Focal CMS 50 speakers for my studio and so far I am loving them. I can really hear into the midrange like I couldn't with the JBLs they replaced. Anyone looking for some powered monitors should give the Focal CMS series a listen.
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