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Music Direct has a big sale on Focal - 40% off 30day MBG

Music Direct needs newer Focals. frown.gif The models on sale are not current.
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Originally Posted by Drjosh View Post

Anyone else enjoying the newish Focal Electras?
Absolutely, though I'm using a mix of brand new and somewhat newish biggrin.gif. In my surround system, I've got 2 pairs of 1027 S's as my sides and surrounds, a CC 1008 Be center, and a pair of 1038 Be's for front left/right. My subwoofers are a pair of Seaton Submersive HP's. My home office has a pair of 1027 S's and my bedroom has a pair of 1007 S's.

I custom ordered the CC 1008 Be and 1038 Be's in Macassar to match my 1027 S's. They got the finish on the CC 1008 Be right, but screwed up on the 1038 Be's. The 1038 Be's arrived with a high gloss Macassar finish (it's like a mirror), while all the others have a semi-gloss satin finish. I think the high gloss finish looks stunning, but it doesn't match the other speakers, which was sort of the point of paying extra for the custom finish. The good news is that they offered to make it right without any hassle and are building another pair of 1038 Be's that will hopefully be in the correct finish. Not only that, but Audio Plus Services is going to hand deliver the replacements when they're ready and pick up the high gloss pair at the same time. To do that, they'll be driving to the Boston area from where they're based in Canada, so they're definitely going out of their way to make this right. I'm not sure how long it will take to get the replacements, but I get the impression that they're doing what they can to get the replacement order moved to the top of the queue.
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Originally Posted by Drjosh View Post

I have recently upgraded my front speakers to Focal 1038BEs. In my little over a month with them, I can honestly say they are a really good pair of speakers. In my opinion, the highs and mids are where they really excel. The BE tweeter is amongst the best I have ever heard. The bass, while clean, is not what I would call their strength. This is alleviated with my Dynaudio Contour Sub which seems to integrate well with the Focals (I have the crossover set at 50). I understand that what I am hearing is largely due to my particular setup including the room and the equipment.

I have auditioned many speakers in my quest to upgrade from my 12 year old pair of Dynaudios. I listened to the Revel Studio 2, Thiel 3.7, Monitor Audio Platinum, Dynaudio Focus 360, Focal 1028BE, Focal Utopia Scala, Martin Logan Ethos and a few others in extremely brief listening sessions. I could have been happy with several of these as they all had their strong suits. What is came down to is...WAF. She flat out didn't like the looks of many of these speakers. Who am I to argue? These are in our great room - and they look...great! As she is the decorator, I decided to give in a little in order to help survive the next 50 some odd years with her - well worth it! (For the record, my wife is wonderful and extremely supportive).

The 1038s weren't hands down the best I have ever heard. However, we are enjoying them immensely and have no regrets so far. They seem to integrate into our lifestyle better each day. Perhaps are brains are getting used to the sound. Incredibly detailed and not fatiguing in the slightest. We listen to a 50/50 music to movie ratio. The imaging and voices coming through the two speakers when listening to movies and television allows us to listen without a center channel (we just acquired a Focal CC1000BE for that purpose, just explaining that a center isn't required).

Anyone else enjoying the newish Focal Electras?

Glad to hear you're liking them!

Yes, my home theater features 1028Be mains, a 1008Be center and 2 SR 1000Be surrounds. Love every little bit of them. I have them paired with a Paradigm Ultra Cube 12, which I found to be a reasonably priced, particularly musical enclosed sub.

I've always been a Focal fan, having owned the a set of Chorus' previously, but these are in another league.
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Doesn't seem like very many people opt for the Electra sub. Though I do like Paradigm with their PBK calibration kits.
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GSR - that is an amazing setup. I would love to encompass my room with all of those Electra floorstanders. Unfortunately, I only get the two up front plus the center. I am currently searching for in ceiling solutions to complete my 7.1 system. I was looking at the Focal Electra in ceiling option, but they may not be the best for my application. I am currently looking into Triad surrounds for the 2 back and 2 side speakers. My ceilings are 12', so I need speakers that can move a lot of air. As for Audio Plus, their support is fantastic so far. I just spoke with Francois and he happily sent me (for a low cost) replacement grills for my CC1000BE. Sounds like they are going above and beyond to help you out. Absolutely the kind of customer support we all want to hear.

Ryan - I wanted to put a pair of SR 1000BEs up, but that wasn't going to fly due to cosmetic issues and room/wall restrictions. Your setup sounds ideal for a 5.1 - does the Paradigm sub integrate well?

As for subs, I actually find my old Dynaudio Contour sub seems to get the job done to assist the 1038s. I would love to one day upgrade to a pair of subs like the Seaton Submersive HP that GSR has. Those must really move the room!
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Originally Posted by Drjosh View Post

GSR - that is an amazing setup. I would love to encompass my room with all of those Electra floorstanders.
Thanks. I got a pretty killer deal on the 1027 S's from Music Direct (they were around 40% off), so it was hard to pass up biggrin.gif.
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As for Audio Plus, their support is fantastic so far. I just spoke with Francois and he happily sent me (for a low cost) replacement grills for my CC1000BE. Sounds like they are going above and beyond to help you out. Absolutely the kind of customer support we all want to hear.
Absolutely. I think we all understand that mistakes happen, so what really matters is what the company does to make it right and APS appears to be more than doing what they need to do to make it right.
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I would love to one day upgrade to a pair of subs like the Seaton Submersive HP that GSR has. Those must really move the room!
They not only move the room, but things in other rooms too biggrin.gif.
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Ryan - I wanted to put a pair of SR 1000BEs up, but that wasn't going to fly due to cosmetic issues and room/wall restrictions. Your setup sounds ideal for a 5.1 - does the Paradigm sub integrate well?

Honestly, I love them, but because they're "just surrounds" I probably wouldn't have sprung for them at full MSRP. I got them for a little under half that due to them being demos, and even then i considered just getting something cheaper from the Electra or even Chorus line to serve that duty. As it is I'm happy to have everything "match" though - serves my OCD well!

That being said, I couldn't see spending that kind of money on a sub to get the matching Focal. I'm certainly not in the "a sub is a sub" camp, but I definitely think the differences between "nice" and "amazing" subs is much smaller than between say, floorstanding speakers.

The Paradigm does integrate well. I originally purchased it when I was in a smaller room, and when I moved, I figured I'd have to get a bigger box to fill my new dedicated media room. So far I've been delightfully wrong. Though as I mentioned I might add a second UltraCube 12 to even out the bass response across the room, that little box has no problem getting LOUD without distorting. I also integrate it into my two channel listening with my 1028Be mains (which I found adequate but not superb on the bass front), and it's probably the most musical sub I've ever encountered. I think the PBK kit is my next step.
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Need some quick advice please...I currently have the focal 816v floor speakers and love them but I just came across a brand new in box PAIR of 836v speakers for $1500....right now I am running a 7.1 with front wides.

should I jump all over these for that great price? room right now is 24' x 14' so I am approx 12' from wall...
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If you don't plan to go up to the the 800W series or the electra series any time soon, that sounds like a nice addition to your system ;o)
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Good price, but realize it is because they are on close out. The series has been updated.
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Hi there could someone confirm to me wether this it true or not. I went to look at the 1028BE today and was told the 1028BE share the same crossover as the Utopia and the Tweeter as well. The difference in size Im aware of but the exact same tweeter? Also I was told the tweeter has its own cabinet inside the 1028be speaker ? Downloaded the PDF but its all in french.

Thanks
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frank, the utopias, am not sure if seen them they are a whole different ball game. and in price as well.

Id considering the 1038s I would just consider them as they are, without bringing utopias into contention. smile.gif
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frank, the utopias, am not sure if seen them they are a whole different ball game. and in price as well.

Id considering the 1038s I would just consider them as they are, without bringing utopias into contention. smile.gif

I have seen the Utopias Al, absolutely fantastic. Just going by what the salesman told me today, why I'm asking the question. I believe he's not telling me the truth.
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My guess is they are not the same exact tweeter. Both Be, but implemented differently. I can shoot an email to the guy I know at Focal and see if I get a reply though. The 28 series sounds awesome BTW. I have heard the 1028's and 1038's under store conditions and they were fantastic. But the Utopia series is whole other ball game. Even the Diablo is just crazy good and the bigger ones are even better.
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Hi mike was much difference in the audio department between the 1027 and 1028?
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I'm going to give them a call today too. Going by the brochure apparently the 1028 use 3rd gen 'W' drivers. Unless I'm reading it wrong.
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Hi mike was much difference in the audio department between the 1027 and 1028?
Sound wise, I would say that the 1028's. have what seemed to be better, lower, more defined bass. Plus the highs were somewhat smoother. Now, it's not like all of a sudden our 1027's sound horrible, but there is a difference between the two.
Edited by MIkeDuke - 8/26/13 at 5:21am
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Well.... I found this on a description of a 1028 in a UK ebay add so take it for what it's worth.
"The Focal J M Lab Electra 1028 Be II builds on the success of the Focal J M Lab Electra 1027 Be by using the same 1-1/4" (27mm) pure Beryllium IAL inverted dome tweeter that is used in the Focal J M Lab Utophia III series."

So maybe it uses the same "exact" tweeter OR it takes that tweeter and modifies it a bit for the Electra series. My guess would also be that the '28 series would have different W cones as well. I do know that going from the 927's was not AS extreme driver wise as maybe going from the 1027 to 1028. The 927 and 1027 use the same drivers just a different cabinet and probably a different cross over and that accounted for the leap in SQ I experienced.
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Here is some more tweeter info between the Utopia III and Electra series from my guy.
"Not the same.

Same 27mm diaphragm, completely different magnet assembly, resonance points, etc.
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Yep, that's a good review.
Here is a solid review of the 1027 on it's own
http://www.excelia-hifi.cz/focal/test/focal-electra-1027-be-stereophile_11_05.pdf
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Just installed my 836v's wow those are some beautiful big speakers...didnt realize they were that much bigger then the 816....I also installed my new onkyo 929....after running xt32 and going throught the setup menu I notice it said it was powering the speakers for 6ohm but on the back of all the focals they say 8 ohm....is this something that needs to be changed? when i tried on the 829 it would only do 4 or 6 ohm??

thanks
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The Focals may say 8ohm, but that does not mean that they stay like that all the time. During certain frequencies they can certainly dip to 6 or even 4ohm. If that's what the receiver put them at, I would leave it at that. If I remember correctly, the Onkyo receivers are hardy and can handle a setting like that. BTW, congrats on them. After you play them for a while, let us know what you think of them.
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I just got the word from Focal a couple weeks back for the new line thats called the Aria 900 series. Now I just noticed the pictures on their website I can't wait to get them in our demo room after CEDIA.

http://www.focal.com/en/207-aria-900

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I like the nice clean look no drama. And the leather is a nice touch.
Edited by Jon Martin - 8/29/13 at 7:09pm
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Are these above or below the Chorus line?
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Its going to replace the 800 W prestige line.
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Are these above or below the Chorus line?
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Its going to replace the 800 W prestige line.

nice pics, thanks jon, good to see focal include in their range option of wood finishes. got a bit worried with the utopias with all painted finishes that focal were turning their back on the lovely wood finishes they have done on their speakers in the past.

I do hope they continue on with those. and good to see an update of the 800 series. the current range with their angular grills and looks have been around a little while and due for an update.
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Just installed my 836v's wow those are some beautiful big speakers...didnt realize they were that much bigger then the 816....I also installed my new onkyo 929....after running xt32 and going throught the setup menu I notice it said it was powering the speakers for 6ohm but on the back of all the focals they say 8 ohm....is this something that needs to be changed? when i tried on the 829 it would only do 4 or 6 ohm??
thanks
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Originally Posted by MIkeDuke View Post

The Focals may say 8ohm, but that does not mean that they stay like that all the time. During certain frequencies they can certainly dip to 6 or even 4ohm. If that's what the receiver put them at, I would leave it at that. If I remember correctly, the Onkyo receivers are hardy and can handle a setting like that. BTW, congrats on them. After you play them for a while, let us know what you think of them.

This may help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_characteristics_of_dynamic_loudspeakers

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I just took a peak at those new speakers. They look pretty nice. But to dove tail into the topic above, all of the floor standers dip below 3ohms. Even if it's for a short time, that is going to be hard for any receiver on its own.
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MIkeDuke, Where did you find the impedance curves for the Focal Speakers? (I was looking for them but failed to find them...lol)
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...all of the floor standers dip below 3ohms. Even if it's for a short time, that is going to be hard for any receiver on its own.

On this topic, I have to disagree... A properly designed amplifier section and a suitable power supply in a receiver would be able to handle such loads. I am thinking or receivers along the lines of a Pioneer Elite, upper end Denon, Anthem, ...
If you only consider lesser quality receivers I would agree with you... Lesser quality receivers are usually lacking in both the amplifier stage and the power supply. As such, they will still play the speaker, but they will either not have the current available to maintain voltage when the impedance drops at specific frequencies, or the output transistors (or IGBTs if it is a "digital amp") will simply fail creating a wonderful burnt electronics aroma. (Been there & done that with car amps many moons ago... lol)
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