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post #6001 of 6414
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Originally Posted by SuperPoser View Post

FYI to anyone interested, I have my old set of Chorus S speakers for sale: http://akroncanton.craigslist.org/ele/4130104111.html


myap2328, Do you live in the states? If so, and you are willing to look at older models, you may want to consider music direct. They still have Electra 1007S and several speakers from the Profile line (918, 908, and CC908) in stock.
http://www.musicdirect.com/m-853-focal.aspx?pagenum=2&sortfield=Name&sortdirection=ASC&perpage=24&GenreFilterID=0&CatID=

 

Sadly, no, I do not live in the states and the used focal market here in Singapore is rather dead and the distributors do not carry previous generation stock and even if they do, they are smart enough to not lower the pricing as they know people will still buy them. 

post #6002 of 6414
I am looking to buy a pair of focal chorus 836 speakers.Just wanted to know the difference between the v, vw, and the w versions.Also the 30th year anniversary and the prestige models.Thanks in advance.
post #6003 of 6414
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Originally Posted by lunxbox View Post

I am looking to buy a pair of focal chorus 836 speakers.Just wanted to know the difference between the v, vw, and the w versions.Also the 30th year anniversary and the prestige models.Thanks in advance.

There is only the V and W models not a VW. The "W" is referred to as the Prestige line. The main difference is the finish and the "W" woofer and mid bass cone material thats superior to the standard Polyglass material in the "V" series.
post #6004 of 6414
A question for the experts ...

Do the Focal Chorus 700V and Chorus 800V use the same tweeters/drivers?

I'm asking because I'm considering getting a pair of 806V stand mounts for $600 or 716 towers for $800. By getting the towers I don't need to bother with speaker stands as the tweeters will be at ear height for my listening room.

Thanks.
post #6005 of 6414
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Originally Posted by Doctor Morbius View Post

A question for the experts ...

Do the Focal Chorus 700V and Chorus 800V use the same tweeters/drivers?

I'm asking because I'm considering getting a pair of 806V stand mounts for $600 or 716 towers for $800. By getting the towers I don't need to bother with speaker stands as the tweeters will be at ear height for my listening room.

Thanks.

From data sheets on their website, it looks like the same tweeter:

Chorus 716 - 1” (25mm) TNV2 Al/Mg inverted dome tweeter. 50Hz - 28kHz
Chorus 806 - 1" (25mm) TNV2 Al/Mg inverted dome tweeter. 55Hz- 28kHz

They do both use the polyglass woofers.

I believe the the Chorus 800 series has a better crossover that should yield better sound quality...

http://www.focal.com/en/
post #6006 of 6414
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Originally Posted by SuperPoser View Post

From data sheets on their website, it looks like the same tweeter:

Chorus 716 - 1” (25mm) TNV2 Al/Mg inverted dome tweeter. 50Hz - 28kHz
Chorus 806 - 1" (25mm) TNV2 Al/Mg inverted dome tweeter. 55Hz- 28kHz

They do both use the polyglass woofers.

I believe the the Chorus 800 series has a better crossover that should yield better sound quality...

http://www.focal.com/en/
Thanks. It certainly does appear that both series use the same drivers.

The 806V is crossed over at 3,000 Hz, whereas the 716V is crossed over at 300 & 3,000 Hz.

From what I can tell there are some obvious cabinet aesthetics between the 700V and 800V series, plus the 816V, 826V and 836V all have downward firing ports with an alloy plinths. However, considering I'm comparing the 806V to the 716V, the downward firing port/plinth isn't a concern.

I have a pair of 826Vs that I purchased about a month ago. I like them so much that I'm considering the 806Vs or 716Vs for my home office system. The 806Vs plus stands are going to cost about the same as the 716Vs.

EDIT: Actually, comparing the 806V to the 706V it looks as though they may be the same speaker with the exception of the depth of the cabinets and cabinet finish. eek.gif
Edited by Doctor Morbius - 10/15/13 at 7:47pm
post #6007 of 6414
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Originally Posted by Doctor Morbius View Post


EDIT: Actually, comparing the 806V to the 706V it looks as though they may be the same speaker with the exception of the depth of the cabinets and cabinet finish. eek.gif

You're welcome.

Note, even though the designed crossover frequencies may be the same, my understanding is the 800 series has a higher quality crossover design than the 700 series.

Since this is going in your office, I am guessing you will be using these mostly for music. In that case, I would suggest going with the 806 over the 706 unless you auditioned and see no benefit.

I know this is the Focal forum, but if you are considering bookshelf speakers and comparing to the 716, you may want to audition other options. For music only, there are better options than the Chorus 716 in the same price range in my opinion.
Two I can think of off the top of my head are Paradigm, which has a couple options in that price range that sound nice imo, and sometimes Von Schweikert offers "B-Stock" in that price range that sounds even better imo. (B-Stock typically has an imperfection on the speaker enclosure.)
post #6008 of 6414
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Originally Posted by myap2328 View Post

I actually caught sight of a 4-year old Focal Electra 1027be. Any thoughts on this? How long do speakers usually last? 
(@Those who asking me to obtain a better amp. If I can score this used pair, then I might get a used Mcintosh along with it) 
Mine are probably close to 8 years old and I have had no problem with them. I say if you can get them for a good price, go for it.
Edit: Just saw above where you said they were sold. If you can find a pair though, I can highly recommend them.
post #6009 of 6414
Is $3500 a good deal on a brand new pair of 836 w prestige in red?
post #6010 of 6414
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Originally Posted by MIkeDuke View Post


Mine are probably close to 8 years old and I have had no problem with them. I say if you can get them for a good price, go for it.
Edit: Just saw above where you said they were sold. If you can find a pair though, I can highly recommend them.

 

Haha Thanks! A new offer just popped up. Let's see how this goes. 

post #6011 of 6414
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Originally Posted by lunxbox View Post

Is $3500 a good deal on a brand new pair of 836 w prestige in red?

Isn't this no longer being made? The MSRP was around 5K I believe. That's around 30% off. It really depends on the dealer, but some are willing to give 30% off demo speakers, so new in box that may be considered good. But then again, closeout on speakers no longer being made is not uncommon to get 40-50% off.

Also, are we allowed to discuss prices now? There seems to be a lot of prices discussion lately.
Edited by Tank_PD - 10/17/13 at 7:41pm
post #6012 of 6414
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Originally Posted by Tank_PD View Post

closeout on speakers no longer being made is not common to get 40-50% off.
Did you mean to say "is not uncommon"?
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Also, are we allowed to discuss prices now? There seems to be a lot of prices discussion lately.
I believe it's ok to discuss what the MSRP is, what fair used prices are, and possibly what deals are available on closeout products. Discussion of discounts on MSRP is generally frowned upon at AVS.
post #6013 of 6414
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Originally Posted by myap2328 View Post

Haha Thanks! A new offer just popped up. Let's see how this goes. 
Good luck on getting them. They are very good speakers.
post #6014 of 6414
Hey guys
I recently bought the Focal Chorus 816v , for the center channel the cc800v , and for my surrounds the Focal chorus 705v bookshelves speaker. My subwoofer is a powersound audio XV15 which is a awesome subwoofer for the prize. As my preamp I have the Emotiva UMC-200 and my amp is a Emotiva UPA-500 it's a 80 w 5 channel amp. My room is really small it's 12x13x9.

I mostly watch movies, my preference is 85% movies/cable 15% music. I have to wait for the speaker to arrive to my country since I took a trip to the states and happend to enter to a HI Fi store and they told me of the great price they had for my Focals so I decided to join the family of Focals speakers.

My question is for movies what should I tell my preamp to set my Focal Chorus 816v to LARGE(full range) + LFE ( I don't understand much how these works should I XO at 60 Hz ) or SMALL and XO every thing to 80 Hz. I read somewhere about double bass is these something that I should worry about for my small room size?

For my music enjoyment should I set my towers to LARGE and have no subwoofer present. Or should I put LARGE + LFE and XO the towers to 60 or lower?

I read that I should listen to different options that I want and get what best sounds to my ears, But since I have to wait for my speakers to be shipped to my country and that will take like 2 weeks I wanted to know in advance what is your advice so I don't set up my system wrong.
Thanks in advance this is my first high end set up I now I will enjoy them very much. biggrin.gif
Edited by elvinps2626 - 10/17/13 at 5:48pm
post #6015 of 6414
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Did you mean to say "is not uncommon"?

Yes, fixed. smile.gif
post #6016 of 6414
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Originally Posted by elvinps2626 View Post

Hey guys
I recently bought the Focal Chorus 816v , for the center channel the cc800v , and for my surrounds the Focal chorus 705v bookshelves speaker. My subwoofer is a powersound audio XV15 which is a awesome subwoofer for the prize. As my preamp I have the Emotiva UMC-200 and my amp is a Emotiva UPA-500 it's a 80 w 5 channel amp. My room is really small it's 12x13x9.

I mostly watch movies, my preference is 85% movies/cable 15% music. I have to wait for the speaker to arrive to my country since I took a trip to the states and happend to enter to a HI Fi store and they told me of the great price they had for my Focals so I decided to join the family of Focals speakers.

My question is for movies what should I tell my preamp to set my Focal Chorus 816v to LARGE(full range) + LFE ( I don't understand much how these works should I XO at 60 Hz ) or SMALL and XO every thing to 80 Hz. I read somewhere about double bass is these something that I should worry about for my small room size?

For my music enjoyment should I set my towers to LARGE and have no subwoofer present. Or should I put LARGE + LFE and XO the towers to 60 or lower?

I read that I should listen to different options that I want and get what best sounds to my ears, But since I have to wait for my speakers to be shipped to my country and that will take like 2 weeks I wanted to know in advance what is your advice so I don't set up my system wrong.
Thanks in advance this is my first high end set up I now I will enjoy them very much. biggrin.gif

If you have a dedicated sub, typically you'd set the fronts to small and maybe nudge the crossover up a bit. Since it sounds like the Emotiva's have a Large + LFE setting (which many pres/receivers don't), I think I'd probably try both. If your Emotiva allows you to set it, there shouldn't be any conflict between your LFE and the bass emitted by your 816v pair.

For what it's worth, I have a pair of 1028be floorstandings with an LFE and I have them set to small. It certainly doesn't hurt the dynamic range or anything like that; the speaker's full range will still be used, it's just for the electronics' sake.
post #6017 of 6414
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Originally Posted by Ryan T. View Post

If you have a dedicated sub, typically you'd set the fronts to small and maybe nudge the crossover up a bit. Since it sounds like the Emotiva's have a Large + LFE setting (which many pres/receivers don't), I think I'd probably try both. If your Emotiva allows you to set it, there shouldn't be any conflict between your LFE and the bass emitted by your 816v pair.

For what it's worth, I have a pair of 1028be floorstandings with an LFE and I have them set to small. It certainly doesn't hurt the dynamic range or anything like that; the speaker's full range will still be used, it's just for the electronics' sake.

Ok thanks for the reply I will try out both to see what sounds best then. But I think I will stay with them in small and XO them at 80hz as you say. I also found this great article explaining why it is better to set all speakers to small and crossover them to 80hz for those of you that don't know much just as me and want to learn more.
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_9_3/feature-article-multiple-crossovers-9-2002.html
Thanks for the help
Edited by elvinps2626 - 10/18/13 at 7:39pm
post #6018 of 6414

Hi All,

 

I have been eyeing the Focal Electra Series for quite some time. Mainly the Electra 1028be and 1027be and 1027s.

Here are some of the questions I would wish to ask. Thanks for any help in advance.

 

1. What are some of the more major differences between the three speakers.

2. What are some of the electronics (preamps/dacs/amps/sources) that go well with these three speakers.

 

Some information about the pricing. (Prices are much higher here in Singapore when compared to other countries)


A Used 1028be is around SGD 8000 - 9000 (USD 6450 - 7250) (Depends on Age)

A Used 1027be is around SGD 4000 - 5000 (USD 3250 - 4050) (4 years old and above)

 

There doesn't seem to be any 1027s around but most probably they would be really old, but if they are really good, I might try to find them.

 

Any help would be much appreciated.

post #6019 of 6414
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Originally Posted by myap2328 View Post

There doesn't seem to be any 1027s around but most probably they would be really old, but if they are really good, I might try to find them.

Musicdirect used to have quite a few 1027s, but they appear to all be gone now. There are still some 1007s there. I always thought the prices were kind of high considering how old the speakers were, but they appear to be selling them --slowly.
post #6020 of 6414
Does anyone remember the actual year various speakers came out?

This is what I remember, I may have the years off so please correct me if you know dates and sequence for sure:

I bought my Chorus S 700 series speakers in 2004. At the same time there was a Colbolt S 800 series, Electra 900 series, and Utopia Be series. (I think the Utopia Be were rather new at this point in time.)
It may have been the next year, 2005, when they came out with an Electra Be 900 series that may have been a "special edition" that was an optional upgrade from the normal Electra 900 series.
I then thought it was the following year, 2006, when Focal changed all the lines: Chorus 700S to Chorus 700V, Cobolt 800S to Chorus 800V... A new line, the Profile 900 series, and Electra changed to the 1000 series - both the 1000S and 1000Be being offered that year (including the 1027S and 1027Be).
A few years later, maybe 2009, the Electra S was discontinued and another year or two after that the Electra Be was upgraded (1027Be to 1028Be).
I didn't pay as much attention to the Utopia Be line since it was always out of my budget, but I think it also had a couple upgrades since the original.

My thought, I have seen many people (mostly on other forums) talk about the Electra 1000S series being very old, but it is no older than the original Electra 1000Be series. I was wondering if I am cracking up and don't remember correctly, or if others just don't know the sequence and dates of various series.
Or perhaps it is just relative... I think of an old pair of Klipsh Horns from the 1970s being "old speakers" so something from the mid or late 2000s is not what I consider an "old speaker".

Just my thoughts and what I remember.
Later,
Mike
post #6021 of 6414
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Originally Posted by SuperPoser View Post

Does anyone remember the actual year various speakers came out?

This is what I remember, I may have the years off so please correct me if you know dates and sequence for sure:

I bought my Chorus S 700 series speakers in 2004. At the same time there was a Colbolt S 800 series, Electra 900 series, and Utopia Be series. (I think the Utopia Be were rather new at this point in time.)
It may have been the next year, 2005, when they came out with an Electra Be 900 series that may have been a "special edition" that was an optional upgrade from the normal Electra 900 series.
I then thought it was the following year, 2006, when Focal changed all the lines: Chorus 700S to Chorus 700V, Cobolt 800S to Chorus 800V... A new line, the Profile 900 series, and Electra changed to the 1000 series - both the 1000S and 1000Be being offered that year (including the 1027S and 1027Be).
A few years later, maybe 2009, the Electra S was discontinued and another year or two after that the Electra Be was upgraded (1027Be to 1028Be).
I didn't pay as much attention to the Utopia Be line since it was always out of my budget, but I think it also had a couple upgrades since the original.

My thought, I have seen many people (mostly on other forums) talk about the Electra 1000S series being very old, but it is no older than the original Electra 1000Be series. I was wondering if I am cracking up and don't remember correctly, or if others just don't know the sequence and dates of various series.
Or perhaps it is just relative... I think of an old pair of Klipsh Horns from the 1970s being "old speakers" so something from the mid or late 2000s is not what I consider an "old speaker".

Just my thoughts and what I remember.
Later,
Mike
Your timing on the 1027 S's coming out around 2006 sounds about right. I got my first pair of 1027 S's (demo units, which are in my home office system) from Tweeter Etc. when they went out of business in 2008 (IIRC) and AFAIK, they were current models at the time. I felt that the closeout prices at Music Direct for the 1000 S series speakers they've been selling have been pretty reasonable as the speakers are brand new and the discounts are around 40% off of MSRP. IMHO, that's a really good deal on great speakers and much less money than it would cost to purchase 10x8 Be series speakers. I also found that Music Direct was willing to haggle a bit on price over the phone when I bought the 2 pairs of 1027 S's that I'm using as the sides and rears in my HT system.

I also agree with your assessment that these are not "old" speakers.
post #6022 of 6414
Thanks guys for the info on the time line. Focal's web site doesn't really cover that and I find their model numbers somewhat confusing.
post #6023 of 6414
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Your timing on the 1027 S's coming out around 2006 sounds about right. I got my first pair of 1027 S's (demo units, which are in my home office system) from Tweeter Etc. when they went out of business in 2008 (IIRC) and AFAIK, they were current models at the time. I felt that the closeout prices at Music Direct for the 1000 S series speakers they've been selling have been pretty reasonable as the speakers are brand new and the discounts are around 40% off of MSRP. IMHO, that's a really good deal on great speakers and much less money than it would cost to purchase 10x8 Be series speakers. I also found that Music Direct was willing to haggle a bit on price over the phone when I bought the 2 pairs of 1027 S's that I'm using as the sides and rears in my HT system.

I also agree with your assessment that these are not "old" speakers.

The Be series is on Be2. 2006? it's almost 2014. That's going on 8 years. They've been at least 25% off at musicdirect since 2011. That's around 3 years now.

They have been discontinued since pre-2012. Musicdirect has been selling all of the OLD S series B stock from Focal.

I'm not saying don't buy them if you can get a pair. I'm saying don't expect them to hold their value and to realize that the model you would be buying is the better part of a decade old. At least when you buy an older car the year is information provided to you.
post #6024 of 6414
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Originally Posted by Tank_PD View Post

Musicdirect has been selling all of the OLD S series B stock from Focal.
Do you have any way to substantiate that claim?

I've not seen or read anything that states Music Direct is selling old B stock Focal speakers. It's not on their web site, nor is it stated anywhere in the link you posted. I've already emailed them asking if this is true.
post #6025 of 6414
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Originally Posted by Tank_PD View Post

The Be series is on Be2. 2006? it's almost 2014. That's going on 8 years. They've been at least 25% off at musicdirect since 2011. That's around 3 years now.

They have been discontinued since pre-2012. Musicdirect has been selling all of the OLD S series B stock from Focal.

I'm not saying don't buy them if you can get a pair. I'm saying don't expect them to hold their value and to realize that the model you would be buying is the better part of a decade old. At least when you buy an older car the year is information provided to you.
If the discount was still 25%, then the value might be questionable, but it's now around 40%, which IMHO makes them a pretty good deal for brand new speakers, even if they've been sitting in their boxes for nearly 10 years. You can't touch the current models at those prices and the old models are still great speakers and include a warranty, which a used pair wouldn't have. The 1027's and 1007's I bought are not B stock. In fact, they have a custom finish Focal did for Music Direct - the tops and front/back of the speakers have the glossy / speckled finish that the new 10x8 series speakers have instead of the matte black finish they normally had, which works out nicely in my case as I'm mixing them with 1038 Be's and a CC 1008 Be in front (in the special order Macassar finish). I'm VERY happy with them, even if they might be close to 10 years old.
post #6026 of 6414
The current discount on the Electra 1007 S is 43% off MSRP, provided the MSRP of $3,500.00 is accurate.

Although the design for these speakers may be 10 years old, it is highly doubtful MD is selling speakers from Focal's first production run or any of the early production runs for that matter. Not a fact, just a best guess.
post #6027 of 6414
FYI: Several years ago, I purchased a set of Von Schweikert VR-1s that were B-Stock. I got them for a little less than 50% normal sales price. There were visible flaws in the finish of the enclosures, but they did come with a full warranty (minus the finish).

My Electra 1027S from Music Direct have no flaw in the finish that I have detected, and they sound incredible! (I have the same finish gsr mentioned.)
For the price I paid for them, I would put them up against any new tower speaker of the same price and I am sure the Electra 1027S would come out on top regardless the new speakers being almost a decade newer.
Note, I say tower speaker, because I auditioned the 1007Be which I found for about the same price when they were on clearance and they did sound better for music imo. But I thought the 1027S would suit my listening style better since these were going into my HT system, not a 2ch system.
post #6028 of 6414
This is the message I received from Music Direct today about their selling B stock Focals.



Thank you for your email. We currently have FOCAL - ELECTRA 1007 S CLASSIC (Pr) on closeout, meaning that they have been discontinued and thus are discounted. These are A stock units. We also have some demos that are likely inspected returns. However, as far as I can tell, we have never received B stock Focals from the distributor. Please let me know if you have any further questions.



Best Regards,

Emily



Music Direct Customer Service

"It's The Music That Matters"

1811 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, IL 60660 USA

www.musicdirect.com



Direct Line: 312-738-5015

Sales: 800-449-8333

Fax: 312-433-0011
post #6029 of 6414
For anyone in the Southern California area interested in the Focal Aria 900 line I'm getting all 4 models on my floor. In a couple weeks along with a Devialet. PM me if you'd like to come by and have a listen.
post #6030 of 6414
Hey fellas, how is ut going?
I want to set up a second system for music only and was thinking of the Chorus 706V that are discounted from musicdirect or Dedicated Audio.
I use Dynaudio Contour speakers in my main system but I wanted to try something different and Focal has been at the top of my list of speakers to hear in the future. Do you think they are a good deal at the current price? Do you think I can do better than the 706V fir the price?
Thanks in advance.
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