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Originally Posted by Doctor Morbius View Post

Unfortunately, us Midwesterners don't have a lot of choices for checking out decent gear locally unless we make a trip to Chicago. The Midwest isn't exactly the mecca of hi-fi. In fact, it isn't a mecca of anything, except for maybe corn and cows. frown.gif

Even SoCal isn't the Mecca of hi-fi anymore. Most of the showrooms are gone. Many of the places are like mail order catalogs. There are but a couple Focal dealers. Pick any other brand and even here the closest dealer might be 100 miles away. Revel and Mark Levinson are hard to come by. I don't know how these companies stay in business.
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Best Buy is the last guy standing. Kicking myself for not buying that stock a year ago at 15 and under. It was ironic to see Mcintosh, Sonus Faber, Arcam, and B&W in their Magnolia showrooms. Although B&W has been there for a few years now. I think the small hi fi brands saw the writing on the wall, and realized they needed to get into the bigger stores, rather than stay in the small boutique shops. We do still have 3 decent high end shops here in MN. Audio Perfection, Stereoland, and Hi Fi Sound. The only negative is they don't tend to have sales or discounts, but you can negotiate with them on stuff that isn't price fixed. Anyway, I see Stereoland is listed as a Focal dealer, and I haven't been there in over a year or two. They were big on Paradigm a few years back, but maybe they have the full Focal line now. Will have to check it out. Have to admit, I tend to use the brick and mortar stores for showrooming, which is way too easy to do, when you can save money online. Maybe I've gotta change.
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Kind of deviating from the last topic, but what amps are you folks using or have you tried with the Chorus series? I still have in mind a 726V or an 826WV, and I am thinking about amp options. The room the equipment will be used in is roughly 20x16ft. I am of the school that thinks that once you get a well designed robust amp, you shouldn't waste time and energy obsessing about very minute differences in amp sound.

 

So what have your experiences been with various amps? How about power requirements? What advice can you give about pairing an amp with these two speakers?

 

I am thinking along something like an Emotiva XPA-200 or even XPA-2, an ATI 1202, or Parasound 2125. Is that a good place to start?

 

Thx.

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I power my Chorus 826Vs with either an Acurus A250 or A150. I swap them around once and a while. Sounds great.

I power my Chorus 706Vs with a Denon AVR-5700 that I use as a 2-channel integrated. Also sounds great.
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My experience with Chorus 716S:
I initially powered my Chorus 716S with a Denon 2805 receiver with intentions to upgrade down the road. I should have spent a little more for the Denon 3805 as it did sound better. I have also heard the Chorus S on a $1200 Pioneer Elite receiver that also sounded better than my Denon 2805.
When it came time to upgrade, I checked out Simaudio Moon, Anthem, Cambridge, Bryson, and a couple others I don't remember.
They all were a nice improvement over what I had and Anthem sounded the best for the cost IMO. (It sounded good, and was cheaper than a lot of the other equipment.)
I went with an Anthem AVM-50 and a PVA-7 which played 7 Chorus S speakers very nicely. I have since upgraded and these same electronics work great for me on my Electra 1027S.

Your other questions:
Power requirements - any amp 100-150 watts per channel would probably work just fine. (The specs for the Chorus726V state 40-250W.) (The specs stated 150W RMS for the Chorus 826W.)

The Emotiva XPA-2 is rated 300Wx2 @ 8ohm... That may be a little much.
The Emotiva XPA-200 is rated 150x2 @ 8ohm for only $399.00.
ATI, or Parasound but it looks like both the AT 1202's 120Wx2 and the 2125's 125Wx2 ratings are also good for the speakers you're considering.

I don't know the price on the ATI or Parasound, but that $399 for the Emotiva looks like a nice deal.
FWIW, the Anthem PVA-2 (the 2 channel version of my amp) often sells on ebay and audiogon for less than $400. I would suggest considering that as an option if you don't mind used electronics. (Then again, I just checked both and there are none listed at this time.)

Goodluck, and fwiw, that Emotiva amp looks darn good at that price.


Edit: Adcom & NAD were two other amps I was looking at for the upgrade.
Edited by SuperPoser - 12/22/13 at 4:58pm
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trying to choose between Focal 1037 and Thiel 3.7. Both are used/demo and can get for around $7500. Have heard both but not in same room. Current,y have Thiel 2.2s and am a Thiel fan but thought Focals were also quite dynamic.

Thoughts?
post #6127 of 6414
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Originally Posted by Steveke View Post

trying to choose between Focal 1037 and Thiel 3.7. Both are used/demo and can get for around $7500. Have heard both but not in same room. Current,y have Thiel 2.2s and am a Thiel fan but thought Focals were also quite dynamic.

Thoughts?

$7500 for used 1037 seems a bit of a high price to me. The speaker is 7-8 years old and was around 11K new. I don't think anyone pays retail for speakers in this price range, so knock another 1K off that at least. The 1038 Be is around 13K new right now.
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Originally Posted by Tank_PD View Post

$7500 for used 1037 seems a bit of a high price to me. The speaker is 7-8 years old and was around 11K new. I don't think anyone pays retail for speakers in this price range, so knock another 1K off that at least. The 1038 Be is around 13K new right now.
At least in my recent experience, the local Focal dealers aren't allowed to negotiate very much on price.
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Thanks for reply. I also have a line on new 1038 for $9500. Wonder if worth the upgrade...

Any opinion relative to Thiel 3.7?
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What are the major differences between the "S" series and later versions? I'm looking at a pair of 716s (used, obviously).
Anything dramatic?

Thanks in advance,

TC
post #6131 of 6414
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Originally Posted by tcreech View Post

What are the major differences between the "S" series and later versions? I'm looking at a pair of 716s (used, obviously).
Anything dramatic?

Thanks in advance,

TC

Each generation had a newer tweeter.
The original Chorus 716 was often considered very bright.
The Chorus 716S had a different tweeter that was a large improvement and a lot less bright.
The Chorus 716V was another improvement with the tweeter making it a little smoother. There was also a visual change with the grill.
The new Chorus 700 Series 716 has another improvement in the tweeter, again making it a little smoother. The grill for this looks similar to the older (pre-V) grill.
I believe the woofer and mid are the same since the S series.

Here is a post with photos showing the visual differences in Chorus series for the 705: http://www.avsforum.com/t/709291/focal-jm-lab-owners-thread/6090#post_24036877
post #6132 of 6414
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Originally Posted by Steveke View Post

Thanks for reply. I also have a line on new 1038 for $9500. Wonder if worth the upgrade...

Any opinion relative to Thiel 3.7?

I think that's a great price on the 1038 Be. I would expect a deeper discount than ~30% off MSRP for an 7-8 yr old speaker -- especially a demo. I've gotten 30% off current top models from other speaker manufacturers -- similar policy to Focal in that they are not normally discounted, or are not advertised in any way as discounted. The current model is being offered to you at nearly the same percentage off. I assume because they are demos you will have the opportunity to listen to both. This will be the only way to really decide.
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Hi guys what the general opinion between the 836V and 826W besides the one extra driver.
Since the 836V is at 2k a saving of about $400 over the 826w
Or the 826W would be a big upgrade.
Room size 15x15 but one side extend to the kitchen with a small aisle in between. so another maybe 10feet
Thanks.
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Okay. The 826w uses w cones that trickle down from their Utopia Line. The 836v still uses the Polyglass driver but has one extra bass driver.

I didn't compare them side by side but I prefer better drivers than more driver. But iirc, a guy compared the 826w with the aria 926, and the arias win.

I compared the 926 with the 948 and the 948 blew them out of the water so no prize for guessing who's tops out.

In my opinion, the 948s are some killer speakers and are have a great p/p ratio. They are killer speakers alright as with that price and that performance, the sales of many other speakers will fall...
post #6135 of 6414
Thanks so it should be okay for my room size I plan on a 5.1 setup, also I see on some pages they say 826VW other 826W are they the same? Or one is a new version.
post #6136 of 6414
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Originally Posted by cloudbuster View Post

Thanks so it should be okay for my room size I plan on a 5.1 setup, also I see on some pages they say 826VW other 826W are they the same? Or one is a new version.

826w and 826vw is exactly the same thing. But if you have the cash for the 926 it's better or if you cash and space for the 948, they are even better!
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Thanks, I don't think I be able to afford the 948. The 926 maybe.
I was actually considering the 836V and 800v until I saw the 826W.
But now it seem I can't find the 800W in stock anywhere.
I have alway liked the look of focals.

The color on the Aria drivers may be a deal killer wife told me dark colors only, but I like them.
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Well, @cloudbuster, the W cones are light grey in colour and the flax colour complements both wooden/old-fashioned furnishing and also more modern and contempary black/white/red furnishings. That guy's impressions are quite a few pages back if you are really interested in his comparison and I do recommend you to try and dig them out. 

 

For design wise, it is up to you or your wife to choose between the 800 and 900 if aesthetics are in important to your wife. I personally don't mind both.

 

Cheers!

Mitchell

post #6139 of 6414
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Originally Posted by cloudbuster View Post

The color on the Aria drivers may be a deal killer wife told me dark colors only, but I like them.
Leave the speaker grilles on. Nobody can see the Flax drivers that way.
post #6140 of 6414
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Originally Posted by Doctor Morbius View Post

Leave the speaker grilles on. Nobody can see the Flax drivers that way.

Agreed but sound quality does go down.
post #6141 of 6414
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Originally Posted by myap2328 View Post

Agreed but sound quality does go down.
But protection from kids goes up tongue.gif
post #6142 of 6414
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Originally Posted by cloudbuster View Post

Hi guys what the general opinion between the 836V and 826W besides the one extra driver.
Since the 836V is at 2k a saving of about $400 over the 826w
Or the 826W would be a big upgrade.
Room size 15x15 but one side extend to the kitchen with a small aisle in between. so another maybe 10feet
Thanks.

I used my Chorus 716S fronts in 3 rooms, all with good results. 1st one was ~ 13' wide by 50' deep (basement) . 2nd one was ~25' wide by 20' deep. and the last one was ~ 12' wide x 20' deep. I did have a sub for movies. Without a sub they were a little weak in the bass department, but still sounded very good in all three rooms IMO.
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thanks
Well it seem that the CC800W in black is gone from all the retailers, so that would disqualify me from buying the 836W.
I do like the Arias is the wife that told me she dont want colored speakers, when I told her to come look at the PSB Image T6 she was like no way.
So I know she might not like the Arias but I havent show them to her.

If Arias 926 are a no go, I will look into the Ascend Acoustics Sierra Towers in black, or the Emp Tek E55Ti Towers.
But the Arias sure come at a premium price. They are the best looking for sure. well all Focal are.
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Some audiophile's may make fun of me, but I always leave the grills on the speakers. I find the extra level of protection to be worth any loss of audio quality. I have so much other stuff in my room now anyway that I am sure it hinders audio quality much more than grills on my speakers.
When you audition the Arias, make sure the grills are on. Especially if the grills are required to pass the WAF. wink.gif

I also would agree with the earlier comment that the W cones are nicer than the polyglass, but don't underestimate the 800V line with the polyglass cones. You may be impressed with their performance.

Goodluck.
Edited by SuperPoser - 12/27/13 at 6:02pm
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Originally Posted by myap2328 View Post

Agreed but sound quality does go down.

Some speakers are designed to be listened to with the grills on. For example all of the Paradigm Signature speaker grills are part of the design. It doesn't sound better with the grills off, it sounds slightly less focused.
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I just received my Christmas present to myself. A pair of Focal Chorus 706v for my bedroom system. Bad news, one of the tweeter grills came off during shipping and badly damaged the tweeter. I'm surprised Focal ships them with the tweeter grills on. They must have lots of tweeters damaged from the grills coming off during shipping. I can't be the only one? Music Direct has already issued RMA and return shipping label. Hopefully, the next pair arrives well.
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Originally Posted by D-Xtreme View Post

I just received my Christmas present to myself. A pair of Focal Chorus 706v for my bedroom system. Bad news, one of the tweeter grills came off during shipping and badly damaged the tweeter. I'm surprised Focal ships them with the tweeter grills on. They must have lots of tweeters damaged from the grills coming off during shipping. I can't be the only one? Music Direct has already issued RMA and return shipping label. Hopefully, the next pair arrives well.
That's unfortunate. Hopefully, MD will get you fixed up.

I am really enjoying my 706Vs in my BR system. They have great detail for speakers at that closeout price.
post #6148 of 6414
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Originally Posted by Steveke View Post

Thanks for reply. I also have a line on new 1038 for $9500. Wonder if worth the upgrade...

Any opinion relative to Thiel 3.7?

Definitely upgrade!
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I'd love recommendations for moderately priced AVRs to drive a 5.1 home theater setup with Focal 727/726V towers as fronts, would be used 60 percent for two-channel music, 40 percent for movies in 5.1 surround. I'm not too savvy on the feature-set I'd want, but the receiver should pass-through HDMI video. I'd like to keep the budget for the AVR around $500 or less. I'm happy to buy refurbished at a place like Accessories4less. Recommendations?
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Hey guys, im about to pull the trigger on a sweet deal for a set of Electra 1007s and id like to get some suggestions on some stands. i went into my local focal dealer to attempt to demo a pair and check out some stand and amp options. He played the Aria 906 bookshelves paired with some tube amp I didn't notice the brand. I honestly thought they souded amazing, with a very nice stage. I closed my eyes and let the instriuments and voices find their respective positions. I assumed with the looks, that they were a Electra replacement. Not inquiring about the price I just ralized they are 1/3 the price of electras. now I am really excited to hear the 1007's. The only other speakers I have audtioned was the PSB Sync ones and the Entire Kef R lineup (r300-r900) The PSB was in someones house with a crappy amp so they didnt get fair play but I liked the Focals better than the Kef's which put out alot of bass and had great detail but lacked staging IMO. Maybe it was the tube amp but regardless, im a bit more excited to get the 1007s in my hands.

Back to stands, The electra stands are insanely priced, the dealer had the Aria 900 stands for $300 which seems like my best bet at the moment and they look good. Any other suggestions?

Thanks
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