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post #91 of 128
tipton,

Bargain is right. When I found the JVC on-line after being shocked at how hard it was to find HD Radio head units, I couldn't believe the price. I kept re-reading the specs thinking it was too good to be true.

I've not experimented with the aux input or satellite stuff, but after reading your post, I'm thinking about buying the aux input adapter. How much do they cost? Can I any digital source I want with it?

BTW, I did install an inline amplifier and I think it helped a lot.
post #92 of 128
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Originally Posted by neilometer View Post

tipton,

Bargain is right. When I found the JVC on-line after being shocked at how hard it was to find HD Radio head units, I couldn't believe the price. I kept re-reading the specs thinking it was too good to be true.

I've not experimented with the aux input or satellite stuff, but after reading your post, I'm thinking about buying the aux input adapter. How much do they cost? Can I any digital source I want with it?

BTW, I did install an inline amplifier and I think it helped a lot.


yeah, i have to say the aux input is really awesome. if you search on ebay for "JVC Auxiliary Input to RCA Adaptor iPod Same as KS-U57" that is what you need and you can get the cable for less than $10. i got this installed in my jeep and originally i listened to my ipod and satellite radio with an old school tape adaptor. this aux input and plugging in direcly has improved the sound quality a ton for my ipod. basically you can plug it into anything that you would have a headphone jack for.

for satellite radio, in the past i had an S50 from sirius so i would move the unit between my home and the car but oftentimes found myself never having it in the car since i did alot of recording on it. the sirius tuner built into the radio is great and its just great to have EVERYTHING in one easy head unit. i looked at everything and really i don't know of another head unit that had everything i was looking for in one head unit. with this jvc i have satellite radio, hd radio, regular radio, cd player and aux input all in one head unit for $160 or less after rebate.

i really want to get an amplifier now but i'm worried about taking the head unit out to plug in the antenna again since it was professionally installed i'm sorta aftraid of hooking things back up.
post #93 of 128
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i really want to get an amplifier now but i'm worried about taking the head unit out to plug in the antenna again since it was professionally installed i'm sorta aftraid of hooking things back up.

Well, I don't know if this will help or not, but I am not very "mechanically inclined" and had a friend help me install mine. I couldn't believe how easy it was. The hardest part was soldering up all the wires to the new wiring harness, but you won't have to do any of that. The unit comes with two little "keys" that you use to literally slide it in and out of the dash. If your installers did a good job, there will be enough slack in the wiring so that you can pull it out enough to add the amplifier.
post #94 of 128
http://reviews.cnet.com/4505-6729_7-31881912.html

At a glance

* Editors' rating: 8.2 Excellent
* The good: The JVC KD HDR1 car stereo's built-in HD Radio tuner and its wealth of digital audio playback options set it apart from the competition in the sub-$200 price range.
* The bad: The limited number of characters on its display means that ID3 tag and HD radio channel information can be tough to read at times.
* The bottom line: The JVC KD HDR1 in-car stereo delivers HD Radio and most other digital audio playback options for a very competitive price.

CNET editor's review

Reviewed by ; Kevin Massy , Associate Editor, CNET
Reviewed June 22, 2007

JVC's KD HDR1 is one of the few in-car stereos on the market that comes with a built-in HD (hybrid digital) radio tuner. HD radio works by sending out a traditional analog signal as well as digital signal, which can be used to transmit text data such as song and artist details. Radios with a built-in HD receiver sort through the multiple signals and reproduce the original broadcast without the multipath distortion associated with standard analog FM and AM reception. The KD HDR1 can also play MP3 and WMA discs and can be connected to iPods and satellite radio via add-on modules.

Design
Like other products from JVC's KD range we've seen, the single-DIN-size KD HDR1 features a well-designed control interface with a good combination of buttons and dials for selecting and tweaking audio sources. On the left of the KD HDR1's faceplate, a backlit D pad provides the means of skipping tracks and folders (for disc-based audio) and radio channels (including multicast programs on HD radio); it also acts as a proxy control interface for iPods, which are connected via an optional module.

A volume dial and a standard row of hard buttons along the bottom of the system's single-line monochrome display rounds out the picture. While we are not crazy about the size of the display and the fact that it is limited to showing eight characters at a time, it is bright enough to be visible from the driver's seat, even in direct sunlight.

Features and performance
The KD HDR1's headlining feature is its built-in HD radio receiver. Comparing the sound quality of HD- and standard- analog broadcast on the KD HDR1 is easy, as it takes up to 10 seconds for the device to pick up the radio channel's HD signal after it has found the regular analog signal. During the time it takes to lock onto the digital signal, an HD icon flashes in the bottom right-hand corner of the display. The difference between the two signals is startling: when the HD mode kicks in, the audio output becomes far clearer, with the hissing and fuzz associated with regular FM broadcasts completely eliminated. In HD mode, the KD HDR1 reproduces instruments and voices with greater clarity, and acoustic separation is far more distinct than in analog mode.

Another benefit of HD radio (other than its being free) is its ability to carry multiple channels of music from the same radio station--so-called "multicasts." Most HD stations have only one or two channels on each channel to date, but there is potential for up to seven channels to be multicast on a single FM or AM frequency.

Many HD-enabled radio stations multicast two channels on the same FM frequency.

For disc-based media, the KD HDR1 plays CDs and homemade MP3 and WMA discs. If the latter are encoded with ID3 tag information, that can be called up on the stereo's monochrome LCD faceplate. Only eight characters of any one tag (artist/ track/ album etc) can be displayed at once, though tags can be set to scroll via an option in the Select menu.

Using JVC's KS-PD100 module ($50), the KD HDR1 can also be used to play music from iPods via a full-speed or "intelligent" connection, which transfers control of the iPod's library to the stereo itself. Navigation of the standard iPod menus (artists/ albums/ songs/ composers/ genres) using the KD HDR1 takes some getting used to, but it is surprisingly user-friendly for a device with such a basic display.

JVC uses the KD HDR1's four-way interface to mimic the buttons on an iPod itself. Pressing the Up button takes users back to a higher menu level (equivalent to pressing the Menu button on an iPod; Back and Forward select through menu options; and Down confirms a selection). As with digital audio discs, the ID3 tag information for iPod tracks is limited to eight characters, making it sometimes difficult to recognize songs at a glance. Also on the down side, there is no generic auxiliary input jack to enable drivers to connect any digital audio players other than iPods.

With an add-on module the KD-HDR1 can be used to control iPod audio libraries.

The KD HDR1 comes with a built-in MOS-FET amp, giving it 20 watts of power through four channels. Like many modern car stereos it also has a two-line output (2.5 volts), and a dedicated subwoofer out for those wanting to connect it to their own bass bin. Other settings include the option for Circle Sound surround sound signal processing for HD programs encoded with CS II. Circle Sound works by attempting to reproduce 5.1 surround-sound acoustics using only four speakers. Users can also select different intermediate frequency (IF) settings to reduce interference noise between stations, and can set amplifier gain control, which enables users to select the maximum power output level for the built-in amp to avoid blowing lower-powered speakers.

In sum
The KD HDR1 is a bargain for those looking for an in-car stereo with a built-in HD Radio tuner. While its monochrome display is a little small for navigating audio libraries, its user-friendly interface and range of supported sources make it an appealing option for the price.

User comments
Average user rating
Excellent 8.8 out of 10 Average user rating: from 5 users


User rating
Spectacular
9
out of 10
Great Product, Great sound!
by bparrott03 - October 1, 2006
Pros:
great Sound , Commercial Free Music, 100% free radio broadcasts, Multicasts, Remote, Sub Wof. Control, Text display, ID3 tag compat., MP3/WMA compatible

Cons:
Nothing really. Its a awsome radio.

4 out of 5 users found this user opinion helpful.

User rating
Excellent
8
out of 10
POWER PACKED
by mikepow75 - May 17, 2007
Pros:
Clean Powerful sound

Cons:
Cumbersome Ipod Navigation


User rating
Spectacular
9
out of 10
Great product, better sound!
by duece1981 - April 21, 2007
Pros:
Good use of HD Radio and available features

Cons:
Too few options for fine tone adjustment


User rating
Perfect
10
out of 10
Great HD radio with lots of features
by faun - March 29, 2007
Pros:
Easy to install, great add ons, easy to use, great sound

Cons:
No cons found


User rating
Excellent
8
out of 10
This Is a Great Head Unit
by Nanook331 - January 14, 2007
Pros:
Commercial Free Music, 100% free radio broadcasts, Multicasts, Remote, Sub Wof. Control, Text display, ID3 tag compat., MP3/WMA compatible

Cons:
The display is not very flashy, but other than that no real complaints



Basic specs for JVC KD HDR1

Audio system car audio type-- Radio / HD radio / CD / MP3 player
Tuner bands type-- Radio / HD radio tuner
CD system type-- CD / MP3 player
Remote control type-- Remote control

http://reviews.cnet.com/4505-6729_7-31881912.html
post #95 of 128
you can get this for $130 after rebate at circuit city right now. with a free install too... man what a bargain. i've had it for about 2 weeks now and couldn't be happeir.

now i just need to get this amplifier installed to see if it will improve the one AM hd station that i really want to get.

i highly recommend the sirius tuner for this as well, works great and its so easy to preset your favorite channels and being plugged in direct improves the sound quality immensely.
post #96 of 128
Does anyone have any suggestions for competing car radio/CD players that compare to the JVC Kd-hdr1?

I want
  • HD radio reception
  • Good quailty analog tuner
  • Line input (1/8" stereo plug?)
  • MP3 CD Player
  • standard size
  • USB flash drive input would be nice

The JVC looks good, but I want to shop around. Thanks in advance.
post #97 of 128
It's a good unit. The HD Radio add-on other companies have alone costs the same price as the KD-HDR1. I wish other units had it built in but less than a handful do. So if you want units that are comparable with HD Radio built in, there isn't at the price. I'm looking into other more pricy features so I'm going to be selling it. Otherwise this is an excellent unit!
post #98 of 128
tipton, I assume based on your location that the one AM station you speak of is ESPN1250 (WEAE-AM).

I try to listen to Mike & Mike in the morning and Madden in the afternoon on my drive from Penn Township to Monroeville. I can get the analog station pretty well in this range, except when I'm under utility lines (phone) or overhead traffic lights when the static is unbearable and drowns out the station. Unfortunately that is for a significant portion of the drive, making me just give up trying to listen. Weather conditions (humidity level) also can make the static worse.

Is it likely that the HD broadcast would be free of that problem? I'd been looking at the JVC unit as a possibility before reading this thread. Unfortunately I missed the $40 rebate, but I probably won't buy for awhile so maybe another rebate will come along.
post #99 of 128
The HD will not solve your problem. If interference is bad enough to disturb your analog listening, it will be more than bad enough to knock out the HD.
post #100 of 128
That's what I sort of suspected, probably no signal at all instead of a staticy one. But I thought maybe since the HD signal is (I guess) just a bunch of 1's and 0's that it may be able to arrive intact without the added static. Because if you take the overhead wires away I can still receive this AM station with minimal static. That, and the thought that "HD radio makes FM like CD quality, and AM like FM quality."

Anyway, it still blows my mind that in the 21st century we're still dealing with low-powered AM stations. I'm less than 20 miles from Pittsburgh and there are places where it's just awful trying to tune any AM station in. Fortunately, finally all 3 major sports teams in town now broadcast their games on FM stations.
post #101 of 128
Some of us are of the opinion that "FM quality on AM" ain't exactly the case either. The best I've heard (KDIS, Los Angeles) sounds like a low quality Windows Media stream to me. Whether that's an improvement over full bandwidth analog AM is open to debate. YMMV.

However, I can assure you that the 1's and 0's aren't any better at surviving static than the analog signal is. The HD will lose its lock, the radio will go back to analog mode, and you'll hear the exact same static you're hearing now. If your radio has forced digital mode (the JVC does), you can have it go to silence instead.

Note that a few AM's have started popping up on the secondary HD channels of co-owned FM stations. If yours is one of them, that would solve your static problem.
post #102 of 128
96kbps isn't CD quality or even good-bitrate MP3/AAC/WMA quality. What I noticed is the noise floor dropped and there was better stereo seperation. It sounded like Sirius/XM radio which uses a similar bitrate. It has lossy compression artifacts which may or may not bother you.

Here is an intersting link to read...
http://www.rwonline.com/reference-ro...rw_aes_3.shtml
post #103 of 128
I have two of these HU. I have one in my 04 F-150 FX4 Super Crew. It really rocks in my truck. My speakers are Kenwood 6 x 8. The fronts are high end model number I don't know came in a black box with red and gold letters on them. The rears I just put in low end Kenwoods. Sounds awesome.

My issue is.
I first bought this HU for my wifes car a 2003 Pontiac Vibe.
Her car has a factory amp. It came with a package MOON and Tunes from factory. She blew some of the speakers. So I got her the HDR1. Also Polk speakers CC had on sale buy one get free. Polk db6501 component for fronts and Polk db521 for rears. These are great speakers. CC installed it some how the harness incorporates the factory amp. I have the JVC amp gain set to low. Treble set to F6, R4, Bass F1, R4, her speakers will buzz and rattle at volume levels 18 and above with some bass. EQ set on rock.

I read somewhere that the factory amp and speaker are 2 ohms. I have asked at gen vibe forums about two months ago.and no one has posted anything since then. Does anyone know if this is true and how to correct this? Will this cause speakers to sound bad if amp is 2 ohms? I am going to buy some Dynamat for the doors to see if this helps with this irritating noise.
post #104 of 128
Ok. I've finally read through the posts but don't think this has been answered. Please provide link if it's been discussed before. How would the KS-U57 differ in functionality or use to the KS-PD100. Not sure I understand why anyone would want to purchase the KS-PD100 since it's $20 more but seems to do the same thing.
post #105 of 128
Nevermind. Actually found an ebay auction for the KS-U57 that lists what it doesn't do. No display no control. Just power and sound.
post #106 of 128
ralfwolf,

Actually, if iPod display/control is not a requirement, I don't understand why people by the U57 when the PXA04 will give you iPod connector, 3.5mm headphone jack and stereo RCA connectors. It will charge the iPod when connected via the iPod connector.
post #107 of 128
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Originally Posted by neilometer View Post

ralfwolf,

Actually, if iPod display/control is not a requirement, I don't understand why people by the U57 when the PXA04 will give you iPod connector, 3.5mm headphone jack and stereo RCA connectors. It will charge the iPod when connected via the iPod connector.

Thanks. That cable looks to be quite expensive. It's at least $35 even on ebay. I can get the PD100 for the same price. Question is, is the radio control usable. I've gone through two different in-dash receivers (returned both) so I know first hand that iPod control is difficult at best. I do like the song info being displayed though. Also, I like the idea that the iPod is hidden in the glove box all the time. I assume I can't have the PD100 *and* an aux connection at the same time.
post #108 of 128
Quote:


Thanks. That cable looks to be quite expensive

I guess it all depends on how you define "expensive"

Quote:


Question is, is the radio control usable.

No, it only passes the audio signal and charges the battery. You would have to manually control the iPod (or other digital device).

I mainly got it because I am interested in a mobile PC solution to my digital music woes. I figure I can use this as an input and, hey, if my friend stops by and happens to have an iPod or other mobile device, we can at least plug it in and play songs off of it. If someone else is in the car to "man" the iPod, then I wouldn't need the interface on the head unit.

$35-50 is actually quite cheap for an iPod controller. I've seen them go for over a hundred dollars for other brands of head unit. One of my friends has a BMW and it is *very* expensive for him to get iPod integration with the stock radio.
post #109 of 128
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Originally Posted by neilometer View Post

I guess it all depends on how you define "expensive"

I meant compared to the price of the PD100 which gives you head unit control. Like I said, I do like the availability of the AUX input but my primary use will be for iPod.

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Originally Posted by neilometer View Post

No, it only passes the audio signal and charges the battery. You would have to manually control the iPod (or other digital device).

Sorry, I should have been more clear. What I meant is the head unit control using the PD100 module usable? I've heard, and seen on other units, that head unit control of the iPod is usually sub standard. Just trying to figure out if I'd rather have head unit control or ipod control. Head unit control just seems cleaner to me compared to a dangling cable with an ipod at the end.
post #110 of 128
Sorry if this has been answered already, but I didn't see it in skimming: can you connect a Sirius tuner AND have an auxiliary input for an ipod at the same time (not using at the same time of course)?

Richard
post #111 of 128
I just got My JVC KD HDR1 up & running. Looking for sugestions on IF settings Auto- Wide ? I know what it does(wide band) but what works best for most ? I think I am getting AM HD locking in better with Wide for long range distance. Does it effect FM ? ... I know this would be for each speaker system, What has worked better for most of You for the Rock, Jazz, for Example. What about the CS II. Circle Sound A,B,C, User or Off . I know this would be for each install but wanting some suggestions... Plus: the CS on HD Auto or Off.
post #112 of 128
Does anyone have Ideas on the Settings on this Radio ? JVC said CS - A should be on Auto for future CS II broadcasts... I am still finding out is Auto - Wide is for AM only? Most good radios in the past does this for better audio on AM for 10 Khz. I have never had one that works for FM though...
post #113 of 128
I'm assuming Auto- wide is for FM to. If it was my radio i would set it on wide because i would try to pull in some distant stations that may come in good enough on the radio, depending on the area and quality of antenna. This may cause some noise or interference on some distant stations trying to come in but are too weak to be listenable sometimes. Auto mode i believe would make the sound mono when the radio thinks the station is too weak. It may make the radio less sensitive to distant stations when set in wide mode.
I hate my delco radio in my 2000 impala because when the radio thinks a station is not strong enough, the radio is switching to mono or is just compressing the sound; Even when the stations not even fading out. I live in Houston area and this radio does that to me all the time. I blame it on my radio and the built in antenna in window which are working together to fustrate me.
On the 2000 impala u need the radio to reset oil change light, change alarm setting and other stuff.
Otherwise i would have a jvc hd radio by now.

I would leave the CS function off on the radio for now inless you know that radio broadcasts are encodeing in hd using the C.S.
post #114 of 128
I thought the audio on the rear speakers sounded distorted with CS enabled and I now leave it off. If you look in the manual it will explain how to configure the User portion of the CS setting and what the 3 preset choices are for.

I don't know what the wide setting does.
post #115 of 128
JVC says to have it on Auto for when a Stations is broadcasting CS II it will come On. They did not say if anything on the Radio would show You was getting it... You can leave it Off for everything else as well. http://www.mobile.jvc.com/technical.jsp#feat_27 Here is some info on the CS-A ... http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...097094&EDATE=/ This tells about what Focus does. http://www10.mcadcafe.com/nbc/articl...ticleid=202455 http://www.srslabs.com/consumers/technologies.asp
post #116 of 128
Wide: is good for local stations if You get them good for best quality AM & FM... Auto: would be better for long range. All My AM HD stations are 75 miles plus. I was hopeing someone had experimented some with Auto - Wide in AM HD ? GE Long Range Radio has had this for AM for a long time. But not for the FM. I do love the (Hold) for both HD or Analog. If you don't get HD good You can turn it off. If You know it is going to stop when going under a tree or underpass in HD, I don't mind it just go off & then come back. This keeps the going back & forth with delay. I have had a Cambridge Soundworks HD for 7 Mo. AM HD is tricky with more noise on any Radio. This Radio is very good for Long Distance on both bands...
post #117 of 128
My wife needed to use my pickup truck today and I have the JVC KD-HDR1 installed in it. She wanted to use her new Slacker G1 radio. I told her no problem because it has an iPod input. However, I go out to connect and when I push SRC I get only DISC or FM1/FM2/FM2/AM. I never get an option of EXT IN. I had used this feature in the past and I see the manual mentions that I need to be connected to the source, which I was, but I never was offered that choice. Can anybody suggest any ways to fix this problem?
post #118 of 128
I think your settings got messed up and the "EXT IN" setting may be on "CHANGER" instead of "EXT IN". Look at page 17/18 of your operation manual. If you don't have it: Press and hold the "SEL" button until the display shows some setting choice. Press the <<< or >>> on the round selector until you see "EXT IN", then turn the round volume knob to switch from "CHANGER" to "EXT IN". Finish by hitting the "SEL" button again.

I now see page 24 of the manual says to do the same thing if "EXT IN" does not appear.
post #119 of 128
How do I re-set the JVC KD-HDR1. The manual suggests a re-set as a troubleshooting technique, but I can't seem to tell how to re-set it.

http://resources.jvc.com/Resources/0...T1470-002A.pdf
post #120 of 128
I always lose my settings when I disconnect the battery. You can accomplish the same thing by pulling the radio fuse.
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