Samsung HLS-5679W LED DLP Owners Thread (*NO PRICE TALK) - Page 31

Originally Posted by umr

I just finished calibrating one of these today. The display turned out very nice. The initial mode was Movie. The banding problem is fixable in the service mode. The weakest element of this display is the black level is higher than the lamp based HLS series products. The reports of the iris not being adjustable are also false.

Originally Posted by umr

I just finished calibrating one of these today. The display turned out very nice. The initial mode was Movie. The banding problem is fixable in the service mode. The weakest element of this display is the black level is higher than the lamp based HLS series products. The reports of the iris not being adjustable are also false.

Originally Posted by da Choge

First post on this thread. Ya, know . . . I'm prolly gonna be burned at the stake for giving it up to the "wobulation" thing, but I say why stop now? If they can get a "virtual" 1920X1080p from a wobulated 960X1080p chip, what could a wobulated DarkChip 3 promise? (I know that's not a new question, but I think it's a good question). I hope they keep it up! I think it's brilliant that HP came up with this technology (is anybody familiar with the story of how they got there? -- I don't know -- but my best guess is that they may have arrived there by accident; I believe that some of the best developments have been arrived at purely fortuitously; it took a person of vision to see the practical applications) . . . Anywho's . . . I think it's great that this technology is able to enhance our viewing experience at a significantly lower cost.

Originally Posted by Wesley Hester

The black level has been the only issue I have ever had with my set. Colors and overall image quality look 'great to me' in Movie Mode. I believe I mentioned incorrectly about the iris not being adjustable earlier in this thread. I adjusted the controls in the Service Menu but never observed a reduction in overall light output, especially anything to improve the black level.

Originally Posted by da Choge

First post on this thread. Ya, know . . . I'm prolly gonna be burned at the stake for giving it up to the "wobulation" thing, but I say why stop now? If they can get a "virtual" 1920X1080p from a wobulated 960X1080p chip, what could a wobulated DarkChip 3 promise? (I know that's not a new question, but I think it's a good question). I hope they keep it up! I think it's brilliant that HP came up with this technology (is anybody familiar with the story of how they got there? -- I don't know -- but my best guess is that they may have arrived there by accident; I believe that some of the best developments have been arrived at purely fortuitously; it took a person of vision to see the practical applications) . . . Anywho's . . . I think it's great that this technology is able to enhance our viewing experience at a significantly lower cost.

Back on topic; I'm not yet an owner of the HL-S5679, but I'm very interested. It's either going to be this or one of Sammy's HL-S5687w/88w series. I was very interested in UMR's first 5679 calibration report. I don't know if I can see RBEs, but I have attempted numerous violent epileptic-like head-shaking episodes at the local showroom floors and haven't come up with anything productive (surprised there hasn't been a 911 call yet). However, I fear, getting a color wheel RPTV back at home, given time, I'd be finding all new kinds of pain. To my mind the only reasons, at this point, that a 5679 purchase might be justified are 1) RBE heebie-jeebies, 2) greatly reduced background noise!!!, & 3) faster boot-up and way-longer lamp-life features (however these are three significant factors). The RBE thing, which I personally don't even know about as of yet, is my biggest concern.

I'm really thinking that a much cheaper 5687w with an ISF calibration (by UMR) may be the best way to go. I'd like to hear his (UMR's) personal opinion, but am hesitant to solicit such due my recent experience in reviewing a Sony LCOS thread . . . I was thinking that I dismissed the whole LCOS thing too prematurely and went back to review a Sony A2000 LCOS thread. I found that UMR had taken a very unjustifiable beating on that thread for only reporting his honest and experience-based views of the product. It only goes to show you how a few non-productive buttheads can spoil things for the rest of us !!!

Anywho's . . . I'd be very interested in positive reviews and encouragements from current 5679 owners. And I wouldn't dismiss reviews from 56/XX87w/88w owners (and would especially solicit comments from UMR 'bout the pros/cons of Samsung's RP lamp DMD units vs. their new LED DLP unit -- UMR, I'm sure I'll PM you in the near future, and, as I live in the DFW area, hopefully, we'll meet at some point.

I'm a noobie poster (obviously) so forgive the off-topic strays, but I've been a lurker on this forum for some time and have been into the audio half (at least) of this AV thing since the early 70's (this next one will actually be my 4th HDTV purchase). Now . . . if anyone wants to act as my sales rep for the last 10 to 25 years of warehoused AV equipment I've got stored over at my "estranged" wife's home (she threatens to give away all those purrty MacIntoshes to Salvation Army on a daily basis) let it be known ;-) !!!

-da Choge (john)

Originally Posted by Mikey_Gee

Please correct me if I am wrong, but the LED set will not show RBE because it has no colorwheel at all.

Originally Posted by da Choge

Back on topic; I'm not yet an owner of the HL-S5679, but I'm very interested. It's either going to be this or one of Sammy's HL-S5687w/88w series. I was very interested in UMR's first 5679 calibration report. ...

However, I fear, getting a color wheel RPTV back at home, given time, I'd be finding all new kinds of pain.

I'm really thinking that a much cheaper 5687w with an ISF calibration (by UMR) may be the best way to go. I'd like to hear his (UMR's) personal opinion,

Originally Posted by htwaits

Buy what ever looks best to you, but there isn't any "faking" going on.

A CRT TV aims it's electron gun at the phosphor in the top left corner of the inner surface of it's CRT tube. That activates one pixel. Then the "gun" moves left to right activating one pixel at a time until it reaches the right side of the tube. At that point one line has been painted on the tubes surface.

Next the "gun" skips a line and paints another line one pixel at a time. The "gun" repeats that process until it reaches the bottom of the screen. Half the interleaved picture is painted so the gun has to go back up to the top of the tube's screen and paint the other have of the image's lines...

Originally Posted by fiyin

Magnolia finally delivered my TV last Friday, and I'm mostly happy with it so far.


I'm seeing color banding and I'm not sure whether the problem is with the source material [it's very noticeable on non-HD digital cable (coax-in) and DVD player (component), and it's slightly noticeable on certain Xbox 360 games (component) and HDTV (coax+CableCARD)] or the TV. The general consensus seems to be that turning on movie mode will greatly reduce this effect.

I end up with an unexpected result whenever I turn on movie mode no matter what I'm watching or what input I select. Here's an example with TV

Dynamic Mode
Movies Mode ~1 minute later

I assume this isn't supposed to happen, but I wanted to verify that this a problem with the TV and not a calibration issue.

Also, I'm curious if any owners have noticed color inaccuracy out of the box. The aqua(?) colored elements (map, health, bullets, etc) in Ghost Recon are a very solid blue on my TV. I figured calibration would be necessary to get the best picture, but this seems pretty far off from the start.

Originally Posted by Mikey_Gee

Please correct me if I am wrong, but the LED set will not show RBE because it has no colorwheel at all.

Originally Posted by Raistlin_HT

It is still cycling through the 3 primary colors like a color-wheel, only MUCH faster.

In theory, RBE may still be possible ... though I would think few would be able to notice it.

Originally Posted by Mikey_Gee

Please correct me if I am wrong, but the LED set will not show RBE because it has no colorwheel at all.

Originally Posted by thors1982

I am strongly considering buying this TV.... tomorrow :-)

I have a few questions though
I have a xbox360 and i would like 100% confirmation that this TV can definately take 1080p input via VGA and HDMI because I want a home theater PC too.

and lastly i have been reading through the forums and am very confused is this chip using wobulation or not???

Originally Posted by waukee

Is it possible that Samsung will put out an upgrade for this set to have hdmi 1.3 or is that not possible?

Originally Posted by waukee

Is it possible that Samsung will put out an upgrade for this set to have hdmi 1.3 or is that not possible?

Originally Posted by isparhawk

I can think of a bunch of benefits of the LED technology:

1. Less power needed - NuVision says that their LED DLPs use 1/3 the power as compared to the color wheel versions.

2. Less heat generated - the LEDs use less power and therefore generate less heat, heat is typically the number one enemy of electronics so this adds to the reliability of the LED sets, also the set needs fewer fans or at least lower speed fans to dissipate the heat.

3. Less noise - Fewer fans or lower speed fans mean less noise. This is probably a factor a few years down the road as grime and dust build of faster on sets with more fans or higher fan speed.

4. More reliable - less moving parts (no color wheel), less likely surges or power outages will affect the LEDs as compared to what they do to bulbs, less heat

5. Reduced or eliminated RBE effect.

6. Wider color gamut

7. Simpler overall design - "All things being equal (ed. picture quality), the simplest solution tends to be the best one." - Sagan (Occam's razor)

8. Longer "bulb/light" life - less times the TV has to be opened up.

These are just my observations and conclusions from reading about DLP TVs. I don't like the color banding so I am still on the hunt for my perfect big screen TV :-)