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New version of Tact TCS out this Fall

post #1 of 20
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It will have a modular upgradeable hdmi 1.2 input and output, no 1.3 input circuits are available as of present just 1.3 outputs. Probably no receivers or preamps at CEDIA will have a functioning 1.3 input, thechips don't exist and software details are not available to licensees at present.

The new Tact TCS will have 2 additional channels of processing for a total of 12 digital corrected channels. The room correction software is being upgraded too.
post #2 of 20
What's basic nature of upgrades to the room correction software?

Have you had success integrating a TCS with Crestron or AMX control?
post #3 of 20
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There is a new generation of algorithms that first came out in their amplifiers with room correction. Boz used an acronym but I forget.

Me personally no, have used prontocodes, but there are dozens of installations with both crestron and amx. The protocol is straightforward. It is the preferred way of controlling.
post #4 of 20
What about existing TCS owners? Will there be a way to upgrade to HDMI?

Bruce, the TCS2 and Crestron work very well together (mine is controlled this way).

But I've now moved back to my Meridian 861 since the TCS2 has a number of bugs which were never fixed and which are now causing problems.

Regards,

Mark
post #5 of 20
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Yes there will be.

Mark If you could summarise these problems again in one short parragraph I'd like to address them with Boz.

BTW, your cinema is coming out exquisite. Who said Eurostyle HC was out?

Who modelled the acoustical laticework, How?
post #6 of 20
Do you know if the TACT decodes AAC?
post #7 of 20
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Only dvd audio and superaudio plus dd & dts this autumm (hdmi 1.2), next year the full aac suite in HDMI 1.3. It is a replaceable module.

NOBODY will have hdmi1.3 anytime soon, the input modules do not exist just yet, nor the control protocol has been released. CEDIA will be full of mockups. Only hdmi 1.3 out cards have been delevered.
post #8 of 20
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Originally Posted by CINERAMAX View Post

Yes there will be.

Mark If you could summarise these problems again in one short parragraph I'd like to address them with Boz.

BTW, your cinema is coming out exquisite. Who said Eurostyle HC was out?

Who modelled the acoustical laticework, How?

TacT problems: the problems have been documented in detail to Boz over the years so he is aware of them. Put briefly, the lipsync function does not work - I now have a number of sources which require different values for lipsync and the TCS2 cannot support that (it would if the lipsync actually functioned). A more fundamental problem is that the measurement process does not always align the subwoofer to the main speakers correctly, so while it will correct the speakers to the specified targets the relative levels can be out by significant decibels. This can be corrected for manually, but shouldn't be necessary - I wonder how many TCS2 users realise this. So for now it's back to the 861, but I'll keep watching for TCS2 upgrades and would consider switching back in the future.

My cinema is now complete except for the screen and some lighting. The UK dealers (Pulse) for Screen Research have proven astonishingly inept thus far and have caused a huge delay to the project. But if all goes well the screen will be in tomorrow.

Unfortunately the room is now so black (black velvet on walls/ceilings and black carpet) that I've been unable to take a satisfactory picture to add to my gallery! I will keep trying

The room, based on my specifications, was designed by the Acoustic Design Group - they are a pro industy group who design recording studios and screening rooms all over the world for people like Skywalker Ranch, Abbey Road studios etc. The room was computer modelled by their expert acoustician in Japan using in-room acoustic measurements and the architectural CAD design as the basis. Once the room is complete we will do post-measurements and address any issues which come up.

Cheers,

Mark
post #9 of 20
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Originally Posted by Mark_H View Post

A more fundamental problem is that the measurement process does not always align the subwoofer to the main speakers correctly, so while it will correct the speakers to the specified targets the relative levels can be out by significant decibels.


My cinema is now complete except for the screen and some lighting.

Is this using one sub in a 7.1 mode, or with multiple subs?



I wonder what PJ's you are planning on test driving? The FLM HD 14 would be to your liking I am sure.
post #10 of 20
That was in a 5.1 system.

Short-listing projectors right now but I'm not intended to spend more than ~$20k - the technology is changing too rapidly to do that right now. I plan to start with a 1-chip 1080p solution with a view to using it for one or two years to allow the market to mature further before selecting a longer term, and potentially more expensive, solution.

Cheers,

Mark
post #11 of 20
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Originally Posted by CINERAMAX View Post

It will have a modular upgradeable hdmi 1.2 input and output, no 1.3 input circuits are available as of present just 1.3 outputs. Probably no receivers or preamps at CEDIA will have a functioning 1.3 input, thechips don't exist and software details are not available to licensees at present.

The new Tact TCS will have 2 additional channels of processing for a total of 12 digital corrected channels. The room correction software is being upgraded too.

Wow! I wonder if the new TCS allows its balanced XLR outputs to be reconfigured for use with any channel. It would be nice to be able to use the analog output XLRs for the subs when the rest of the channels are run through digital amps...

Peter
post #12 of 20
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Originally Posted by CINERAMAX View Post

There is a new generation of algorithms that first came out in their amplifiers with room correction. Boz used an acronym but I forget.

It's "DRC" for Dynamic Room Correction, the correction evolves dynamically with the level: http://www.tactlab.com/Products/DRC/index.html

Michel
post #13 of 20
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Originally Posted by CINERAMAX View Post

It will have a modular upgradeable hdmi 1.2 input and output, no 1.3 input circuits are available as of present just 1.3 outputs. Probably no receivers or preamps at CEDIA will have a functioning 1.3 input, thechips don't exist and software details are not available to licensees at present.

The new Tact TCS will have 2 additional channels of processing for a total of 12 digital corrected channels. The room correction software is being upgraded too.


Where did you get this info? I'm just about to pull the trigger on a TCS, and my dealer tells me that an upgrade "is not planned any time soon" and that it may well be a YEAR before the upgrade is out...

Should I hold my breath, or not...

Peter
post #14 of 20
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How long can you hold your breath? That is the question...
post #15 of 20
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How long can you hold your breath? That is the question...

'til the end of the year (4 months)

However, if my dealer is correct, and it's going to take more than 6 months, then I need to consider if I want to wait or not...

Peter
post #16 of 20
So when is this coming?
post #17 of 20
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Originally Posted by mfombellida View Post

It's "DRC" for Dynamic Room Correction, the correction evolves dynamically with the level: http://www.tactlab.com/Products/DRC/index.html

Michel,

Correct. DRC was first introduced by TacT in early 2006 in the RCS 2.2XP.

It has migrated to their digital amps, and now to their theater products.
post #18 of 20
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The new TCS is delayed not because of the hdmi 1.3 chip but becuase of a DD True HD / dts hd decoder board that is not shipping yet from TI (i believe)
post #19 of 20
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Originally Posted by CINERAMAX View Post

The new TCS is delayed not because of the hdmi 1.3 chip but becuase of a DD True HD / dts hd decoder board that is not shipping yet from TI (i believe)

Decoder board? Is the point of a Tact/receiver not that it does decoding in software and presumably better than the (HW) solutions in players?
post #20 of 20
Thread Starter 
Welcome to the world of HDMI 1.3.
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