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post #2251 of 6806
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Originally Posted by 4DHD View Post

All AVRs, pre/pros set the distances from the main seat with the channels set in pairs, except for the center channel.

Both of my Denons set each channel's distance individually down to a tenth of a foot increments.
post #2252 of 6806
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Originally Posted by duc135 View Post

Both of my Denons set each channel's distance individually down to a tenth of a foot increments.

My last AVR, HK635 only did pairs. Which was not a problem as the room was symmetrical all around.
post #2253 of 6806
I've been waiting for a few years now for Revel to replace the Performa (and Concerta) range of speakers... Well CES 2012 will finally be the one. According to Canada HIFI:

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Revel:
The brand will replace its entire Performa series of bookshelf and tower speakers with the Performa3 series. The new series is said to raise performance through advances in driver design. Prices will also drop slightly.

The first eight speakers will be priced from a targeted $1,200 U.S./pair to $4,500 U.S./pair. Two more speakers due in the fall will add a third tower at around $6,000 U.S. to $6,500 U.S. /pair.

The first eight speakers will consist of two bookshelf models, two floorstanding towers, two center channels, one bipolar surround and one subwoofer.

http://canadahifi.com/index.php/new-...s-from-harman/

Based on the prices, it seems like Revel maybe replacing the Concerta line by expanding the Performa line downwards into cheaper territory... Very cool news for Revel fans...
post #2254 of 6806
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Ajani View Post

I've been waiting for a few years now for Revel to replace the Performa (and Concerta) range of speakers... Well CES 2012 will finally be the one. According to Canada HIFI:



http://canadahifi.com/index.php/new-...s-from-harman/

Based on the prices, it seems like Revel maybe replacing the Concerta line by expanding the Performa line downwards into cheaper territory... Very cool news for Revel fans...

Well I'm glad they are doing a bipolar surround as that is the last non-Revel speaker I have. I hope it's a good one.

What I really wish though is a replacement for the old Embrace.
post #2255 of 6806
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Originally Posted by ehlarson View Post

Well I'm glad they are doing a bipolar surround as that is the last non-Revel speaker I have. I hope it's a good one.

Isn't the S30 a bipolar speaker? Or is it dipolar? Not that I really know the difference.
post #2256 of 6806
Anyone know how to remove Revel C760L speakers? The custom installer pointed them the wrong way, so I need to fix them. Is there any way to disengage the roller-lock mechanism so that the speakers can be removed without tearing out all of the surrounding drywall?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
post #2257 of 6806
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Originally Posted by VinhT View Post

Anyone know how to remove Revel C760L speakers? The custom installer pointed them the wrong way, so I need to fix them. Is there any way to disengage the roller-lock mechanism so that the speakers can be removed without tearing out all of the surrounding drywall?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I'd be calling THAT custom installer and demand HE fix HIS screw up!
post #2258 of 6806
You should be able to just turn then in place, if memory serves me correctly.
Do you know for sure they are pointed incorrectly?
post #2259 of 6806
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LAS VEGAS, Nevada - HARMAN's Revel today announced the introduction of its Performa3 loudspeakers, a complete range of home theater and music loudspeakers that incorporates significant engineering enhancements to the original Performa Series to deliver extraordinary music and movie soundtrack reproduction. Complementing their audiophile-caliber performance, Revel Performa3 loudspeakers are stunning in appearance, with a choice of high-gloss real wood and automotive-grade painted finishes.
The 10 models in the Performa3 line include the following:

F308 3-way floorstanding tower (1-inch tweeter, 5.25-inch midrange, three 8-inch woofers; SRP: $6,000/pr)
F208 3-way floorstanding tower (1-inch tweeter, 5.25-inch midrange, dual 8-inch woofers; SRP: 4,500/pr)
F206 3-way floorstanding tower (1-inch tweeter, 5.25-inch midrange, dual 6.5-inch woofers; SRP: 3,000/pr)
M106 2-way bookshelf monitor (1-inch tweeter, 6.5-inch woofer; SRP: $1,700/pr)
M105 2-way bookshelf monitor (1-inch tweeter, 5.25-inch woofer; SRP: $1,200/pr)
C208 3-way center channel (1-inch tweeter, 4-inch midrange, dual 8-inch woofers; SRP: $1,700/ea)
C205 2-way center channel (1-inch tweeter, dual 5.25-inch woofers; SRP: $1,000/ea)
S206 2-way surround speaker (dual 1-inch tweeters, dual 6.5-inch woofers; SRP: 1,800/pr)
B112 powered subwoofer (12-inch woofer, built-in 1000-watt amplifier; SRP: $2,500/ea)
B110 powered subwoofer (10-inch woofer, built-in 500-watt amplifier; SRP: $1,700/ea)

Our Revel Performa loudspeakers have earned rave reviews from audiophiles since their initial introduction, said Jim Garrett, Senior Manager, Marketing for HARMAN Luxury Audio Group. We have made a number of advancements in loudspeaker materials and manufacturing technologies that we are now able to incorporate into the upgraded Performa3 models. We are confident that listeners will be thrilled with the improvements in sonic performance and musical accuracy.
To achieve their superior sound quality, Revel Performa3 loudspeakers deploy proprietary drivers throughout. The 1-inch pure-aluminum-dome tweeters deliver airy, extended high-frequency response to beyond 20kHz, with superlative detail and clarity. The tweeters operate into an exclusive Acoustic Lens Waveguide that is precisely shaped for optimum imaging and horizontal and vertical dispersion both on-and off axis.
The midrange and low-frequency drivers employ aluminum cones for extraordinary resolution and responsiveness, along with a seamless sonic blend with the tweeters. The cones have integral ribs that add strength and rigidity for clear, richly detailed sound with reduced distortion even at higher volumes. The drivers incorporate additional refinements including cast-aluminum frames and efficiently vented, high-power motor structures, to deliver smooth, natural vocal and instrumental reproduction.
Only the finest materials and internal components are used for Revel Performa3 loudspeakers, including air-core inductors and audiophile-grade polypropylene capacitors in the crossover network, and heavy-duty gold-plated binding posts. Depending on the model, a tweeter level control allows the speakers' high-frequency balance to be fine-tuned, and a Boundary control enables the speakers to be tailored to individual room acoustics and placement positions.
The enclosures are built to the highest standards, with internal damping and bracing at critical locations and curved side panels that minimize cabinet-induced coloration. The larger models feature individual sub-enclosures for the midrange drivers for maximum midrange clarity and definition. Each Revel Performa3 loudspeaker is individually calibrated against a manufacturing reference standard to ensure absolutely consistent performance from every speaker that leaves the factory.
Revel Performa3 loudspeakers are as stunning in appearance as they are in performance with elegantly proportioned curved and contoured enclosures that are available in a choice of high-gloss real-wood and automotive-grade painted finishes.
Revel Performa3 loudspeakers will be available in Q2 2012 except the F308 and B110, which will be available in September 2012.

post #2260 of 6806
The large pic:

post #2261 of 6806
The one and only problem I have with the new Performa3 is with the small center speaker. Being it has the tweeter on the centerline of the mids. That is generally not a good design. Had they placed the tweeter slightly above that centerline, then all is good.
post #2262 of 6806
Thread Starter 
I hope there will be a white version of the surrounds.
post #2263 of 6806
The naming convention is certainly different, trying to connect it all together here still. Trying to figure out how these slot in/compare to the Performa2 lineup...
F308 seems to replaces F52 (larger woofers 8 in vs. 6.5)
F208 is new
F206 replaces F32
M106 replaces M22
M105 is new
C208 replaces C32/C52
C205 matches M105?
The B112 and B110 replace B15a/are new models. Interesting they went from the 15 inch driver to 12 and 10 inch drivers, respectively.

I'm looking forward to seeing and hearing these in person at my dealer to see if the Revel sound has changed much from Performa2. The image posted kind of reminds me of the Paradigm Signature series in a way with the curvature of the enclosure and the "inset" on the top of the speaker. Either way, some interesting times ahead
post #2264 of 6806
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Originally Posted by thrand1 View Post

The naming convention is certainly different, trying to connect it all together here still. Trying to figure out how these slot in/compare to the Performa2 lineup...
F308 seems to replaces F52 (larger woofers 8 in vs. 6.5)
F208 is new
F206 replaces F32
M106 replaces M22
M105 is new
C208 replaces C32/C52
C205 matches M105?
The B112 and B110 replace B15a/are new models. Interesting they went from the 15 inch driver to 12 and 10 inch drivers, respectively.

I'm looking forward to seeing and hearing these in person at my dealer to see if the Revel sound has changed much from Performa2. The image posted kind of reminds me of the Paradigm Signature series in a way with the curvature of the enclosure and the "inset" on the top of the speaker. Either way, some interesting times ahead

Woo hoo!!! Hoping to see some great deals on used F52/F32!
post #2265 of 6806
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Originally Posted by thrand1 View Post

The naming convention is certainly different, trying to connect it all together here still. Trying to figure out how these slot in/compare to the Performa2 lineup...
F308 seems to replaces F52 (larger woofers 8 in vs. 6.5)
F208 is new
F206 replaces F32
M106 replaces M22
M105 is new
C208 replaces C32/C52
C205 matches M105?
The B112 and B110 replace B15a/are new models. Interesting they went from the 15 inch driver to 12 and 10 inch drivers, respectively.

I'm looking forward to seeing and hearing these in person at my dealer to see if the Revel sound has changed much from Performa2. The image posted kind of reminds me of the Paradigm Signature series in a way with the curvature of the enclosure and the "inset" on the top of the speaker. Either way, some interesting times ahead

What I find most interesting is that the new models are cheaper than the old ones they replace. I really like the price range covered by the new Performa line.

Now I'm left wondering if they will replace the Concerta line with a new (cheaper) Concerta line or just scrap it...

Also, I rather like the new look...
post #2266 of 6806
Cost cutting due to mainly to the wood? I look at the M22 and the new version, then look at the M20's in Rosewood in my bedroom - no contest.
post #2267 of 6806
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Originally Posted by gary cornell View Post

Cost cutting due to mainly to the wood? I look at the M22 and the new version, then look at the M20's in Rosewood in my bedroom - no contest.

I'd have to see real pics of the new versions (in the different finish options) first. That photo may not do them justice.
post #2268 of 6806
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Ajani View Post

I'd have to see real pics of the new versions (in the different finish options) first. That photo may not do them justice.

I seriously doubt that it's a photo. If you look at it the shadows are completely unrealistic.
post #2269 of 6806
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Originally Posted by ehlarson View Post

I seriously doubt that it's a photo. If you look at it the shadows are completely unrealistic.

Poor choice of wording on my part - I don't think it's a photo either - probably a sketch (CGI) - So the real speakers may look quite different. Hopefully we'll get some pics this week during CES.
post #2270 of 6806
I've been eagerly anticipating this announcement for the past year.

Definitely disappointed in the traditional MTM center, especially with the woofers so far apart due to the large waveguide. Unless they've somehow broken the laws of physics, it's an indicator to me that Revel is straying from the commitment to quality design that I respected.

The smaller subs is understandable, as they would rather you buy four of them anyway. Besides, aside from the B15 of yore, Revel has never really been competitive in the subwoofer category.

The surround speaker sends a bit of a conflicting message. With the Gem2, they were going away from bipoles/dipoles for surround speakers, but now they appear to be back.

Overall, a lot to think about. I think it's great that the speakers are more affordable, and I was hoping to just buy them blind, but some of the design choices have given me reservations about doing so. Can't wait to learn more about these speakers.
post #2271 of 6806
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Originally Posted by VinhT View Post

I've been eagerly anticipating this announcement for the past year.
Definitely disappointed in the traditional MTM center, especially with the woofers so far apart due to the large waveguide. Unless they've somehow broken the laws of physics, it's an indicator to me that Revel is straying from the commitment to quality design that I respected.

As I mentioned, I think the tweeter should have been raised slightly above the mid-woofer line. As to if the woofers are too far apart.....don't know.

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The smaller subs is understandable, as they would rather you buy four of them anyway. Besides, aside from the B15 of yore, Revel has never really been competitive in the subwoofer category.

It might be from feedback from previous or potential customers wanting smaller, more room friendly subs. And certainly nothing wrong with having 4 subs.

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The surround speaker sends a bit of a conflicting message. With the Gem2, they were going away from bipoles/dipoles for surround speakers, but now they appear to be back.

Without looking, seems that there was a bi/dipole surround in addition to the Gem2, available at the same time.

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Overall, a lot to think about. I think it's great that the speakers are more affordable, and I was hoping to just buy them blind, but some of the design choices have given me reservations about doing so. Can't wait to learn more about these speakers.

With the economy the way it has been for 4 years, no use jacking up the prices. For at least two years I've seen the Salon2 being sold by dealers, online, for as low as $13,000/pr. That is only 59% of full list price.
post #2272 of 6806
Thread Starter 
The MTM center is pretty disturbing, but in my opinon that's the result of cost cutting and extending the Performas into lower price points.

On the positive side the new centers are at much lower price points than the C-52. I wonder how they will compare.

I'm kind of digging the surrounds. The last time Revel had a bipole was with the S30 and Embrace, and those have been discontinued for a while. I have been looking to upgrade my surrounds (M&T SS-150s) for a while.
post #2273 of 6806
Of coarse, there are two centers to be had. And the C208 looks quite large. And that might be a problem for some people's setups. Having dual 8" drivers makes it much bigger than most. So the C205 would fit where the C208 would not. Years ago I had an Infinity mtm center, as I remember, it had clear dialogue. But I do prefer t/m stacked vertically.

As far as the new surrounds, there are two different thought processes as to what people want. For MCM, I like having monopole and identical speakers all around. But for movies, I can see the bi/di being wanted.
post #2274 of 6806
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Originally Posted by VinhT View Post

Definitely disappointed in the traditional MTM center, especially with the woofers so far apart due to the large waveguide. Unless they've somehow broken the laws of physics, it's an indicator to me that Revel is straying from the commitment to quality design that I respected.

Do any of you gentlemen think that you should audition the new line and then determine whether Revel needs to be chastised for their design choices? Considering how many brands use a traditional MTM center, I doubt the sonic results in the Performa line will be bad.
post #2275 of 6806
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Ajani View Post

Do any of you gentlemen think that you should audition the new line and then determine whether Revel needs to be chastised for their design choices? Considering how many brands use a traditional MTM center, I doubt the sonic results in the Performa line will be bad.

Here is a good article on why a horizontal MTM center speaker design has issues.

http://forum.blu-ray.com/speakers/89...d-avoided.html

It isn't a matter where listening provides any particular new insight. The underlying physics are inescapable.
post #2276 of 6806
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Originally Posted by ehlarson View Post

Here is a good article on why a horizontal MTM center speaker design has issues.

http://forum.blu-ray.com/speakers/89...d-avoided.html

It isn't a matter where listening provides any particular new insight. The underlying physics are inescapable.

I don't doubt the physics. I question whether a properly designed MTM will be audibly impaired by all the issues listed.

From the article you presented the possible effects of MTM are:

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Increase in sound at certain frequencies and cancellation at other frequencies.
Poor off-axis response and narrowing of sweet spot.
Poorer vertical response as you stand up or sit on a higher chair.
Horizontal lobing with hot and cold spots.
Coloration of the tone.
Poor comprehension and intelligibility of speech.
Lack of music clarity.
Poor imaging and its shift from the middle.

Those effects should be easily noted by simply listening to the speaker. I don't see how anything sounding that bad could escape the Revel Labs (most importantly the blind testing) and be used in so many top brands' designs.
post #2277 of 6806
As I mentioned, earlier, I think there are two reasons for the C205 design. It most certainly is a lower price point, if you can call $1k lower, but just as important, it is quite a bit smaller profile. Thus being able to fit where the C208 will not. And that could be a deciding factor as to if a customer buys a Performa3 system or not.
post #2278 of 6806
First real pic below and IMO MUCH better looking than the drawing:



http://www.hometheater.com/content/r...e-speaker-line
post #2279 of 6806
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Originally Posted by Ajani View Post

First real pic below and IMO MUCH better looking than the drawing:



http://www.hometheater.com/content/r...e-speaker-line

Except the white one!!

I just saved it to iPhoto and chopped out the white. Now its on my desktop.
post #2280 of 6806
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Originally Posted by 4DHD View Post

Except the white one!!

LOL!!!!

Agreed. I really don't like the white one.
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