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http://www.stereophile.com/content/n...el-performa-3s
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The M106 may be an ugrade to the M22 but finding a dealer that can or will set up both for an A/B, not likely.
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Originally Posted by gary cornell View Post

The M106 may be an ugrade to the M22 but finding a dealer that can or will set up both for an A/B, not likely.

Sure, but that won't matter since the M22 will be discontinued. So the only thing that matters is whether the potential purchaser likes the sound of the M106.

In the case of someone who already owns an M22, an in-home-audition will quickly resolve the issue of whether the M106 is an upgrade or not.
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Originally Posted by Esox50 View Post

Anyone who was there at CES, is there any more information about these "automotive grade" finishes on the Performa3? How did they look? Is there an upcharge for this? So far I've seen black and white from the pictures from the show floor, but did they mention any other colors (like Ferrari Red, etc).

The finish looks fantastic. Kevin said something about Revel contracting an italian furniture company to help them in the looks and finish category.

I heard nothing about other finishes other than the ones shown at CES. I highly doubt there will be other or custom finishes available. That just hasn't been the way Revel has worked, especially in the Performa series. Kevin was quite proud about the price point they had achieved with these Performa's and I'm guessing a lot of that price point depends on standardizing on finishes.
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My very subjective and personal view of the Performa3 looks:

I think overall the line up looks great. Particularly the floorstanders. However, the whole look definitely has a "me too" kinda vibe. The best analogy I can think of is Honda versus BMW. Hondas look nice but not distinctive, and there's always something about a BMW's look that seperates it from other cars.

The Performa3 bookshelves, I think, suffer from the Honda vibe more than the floorstanders. When people see my M22s they know right away that the speaker is upscale (in real terms not audiophile terms). I just don't think that is the case with these new Performa3 bookshelf speakers. Interestingly, the Performa2 look didn't translate well to the floorstanders, IMO - which looked like big slabs of wood. The Performa3 look is just the opposite - the floorstanders look great with sexy curves but the bookshelves look a bit pedestrian.
post #2316 of 6812
If we're talking looks, the M20's in Rosewood! Not important to anyone than me, i prefer the sound of the M20 to the M22. In the bedroom, M20 fronts, C52 center and M22 rears with Paradigm Studio SUB12 with PBK.
post #2317 of 6812
If they sound as good as these babies look, these might be the speakers for me in 2012. Always wanted to try me some revel speaker, love the price point on this system.

Anyone has any idea when they'll be in stores?


Djoel
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Originally Posted by LightninBoy View Post

The finish looks fantastic. Kevin said something about Revel contracting an italian furniture company to help them in the looks and finish category.

I heard nothing about other finishes other than the ones shown at CES. I highly doubt there will be other or custom finishes available. That just hasn't been the way Revel has worked, especially in the Performa series. Kevin was quite proud about the price point they had achieved with these Performa's and I'm guessing a lot of that price point depends on standardizing on finishes.

Got it. Thanks. So it looks like maybe three wood finishes (light/oak, medium/cherry, and dark/merlot) and two "automotive finishes" (white and High Gloss Black). Just going by the pics here and on the web.

I wasnt necessarily thinking "custom" colors, but if they are going to go with "automotive finish", I would have thought they'd have more than just black and white. Like maybe a handful of stock colors to choose from such as black, white, red, yellow, blue...or something along those lines. Looks like I'll be going high gloss black then.
post #2319 of 6812
M106 with grill on:



More pics of each model in the line and a nice write up:
http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/s...-performa3-pre
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Originally Posted by LightninBoy View Post

My very subjective and personal view of the Performa3 looks:

I think overall the line up looks great. Particularly the floorstanders. However, the whole look definitely has a "me too" kinda vibe. The best analogy I can think of is Honda versus BMW. Hondas look nice but not distinctive, and there's always something about a BMW's look that seperates it from other cars.

The Performa3 bookshelves, I think, suffer from the Honda vibe more than the floorstanders. When people see my M22s they know right away that the speaker is upscale (in real terms not audiophile terms). I just don't think that is the case with these new Performa3 bookshelf speakers. Interestingly, the Performa2 look didn't translate well to the floorstanders, IMO - which looked like big slabs of wood. The Performa3 look is just the opposite - the floorstanders look great with sexy curves but the bookshelves look a bit pedestrian.

I agree. Other than that I prefer the waveguide on the F52 and Performa3 to the tweeter on the M22 (I think it really distracts from an otherwise nice looking speaker).

The Performa2 was distinctive (because of the black gloss at the rear of the cabinets) but for the most part not that sexy looking. The Performa3 is a 'me too' design but has a healthy dose of sex appeal.

I really like the look of F208. I think the choice of a much larger cabinet with dual 8" woofers will appeal to fans of the F30, who were disappointed by the choice of dual 6" on the F32. The F208 looks to be the not so poor man's Studio2.
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Looks like The Absolute Sound team were really impressed with the M106:

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Originally Posted by Neil Gader's Best of Show View Post

Best Sound (for the lowest price)
The all-new Revel M106, a two-way compact ($1700/pr. and driven by Levinson electronics) will be a game-changer for the aficionado short on space. Full-bodied, smooth, and dynamically responsive. In short, a small Revel-ation.

CES 2012 Report - Neil Gader on Solid-State Electronics Above $12,000 | AVguide

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Originally Posted by Robert Harley's Best of Show View Post

Best Sound (for the lowest price)
Revel’s new $1700 per pair stand-mounted M106 sounded like it should cost $5k. And the M106 is just one product in an eight-speaker line. Expect greatness at affordable prices when these loudspeakers are released in April.

CES 2012 Report - Robert Harley on Analog | AVguide

Soundstage also loved them:

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Originally Posted by Roger Kanno View Post

There were several very expensive loudspeakers garnering a lot of buzz at this year's show. Based on what I saw and heard in the Harman room, the Revel Performa3 line is just as deserving of this attention. In fact, these were my favorite speakers at CES 2012.

Roger's Revel-ation

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Originally Posted by Jeff Fritz View Post

I heard the new Revel Performa3 M106 standmount speaker shown at CES that costs a mere $1700 per pair sound simply amazing -- a true budget reference.

Superspeakers 2012: Surprising Results

I can't wait to read some reviews!
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I considered new B&W 703, Dynaudio and used Revel F52. Leaning towards Revel. Is this going to a right decision? Still wondering ... since had opportunity to hear only B&W. Others - based on forum discussion. Also, should I go for S30 or M22 for two surround in the back wall? This is a 5.1 setup with Sunfire TGA-5200 and SVS PB 12. Any comment, suggestion, advice will be appreciated much
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Originally Posted by gbabu7 View Post

I considered new B&W 703, Dynaudio and used Revel F52. Leaning towards Revel. Is this going to a right decision? Still wondering ... since had opportunity to hear only B&W. Others - based on forum discussion. Also, should I go for S30 or M22 for two surround in the back wall? This is a 5.1 setup with Sunfire TGA-5200 and SVS PB 12. Any comment, suggestion, advice will be appreciated much

I've never heard Dynaudio, but I haven't heard any B&Ws that I liked. You won't be disappointed in the Revels if you are looking for true, accurate sound. I bought them having never heard them after being disappointed in most all the speakers I auditioned. I went with the F52s based solely on online reviews and speaker measurements.

As for the choice between the S30 and M22, if you are getting the rears for MC music then I'd get the M22. If it's mostly for movies then I'd go for the S30. The S30 has a switch to change from dipole to monopole modes. It can also be automatically switched via the 12V trigger.
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They look nice.

Some stiff competition out there though right now... KEF R900s, Philharmonic 3s, and Vapor Arcus. Let's see how they stack up
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Originally Posted by gbabu7 View Post

I considered new B&W 703, Dynaudio and used Revel F52. Leaning towards Revel. Is this going to a right decision? Still wondering ... since had opportunity to hear only B&W. Others - based on forum discussion. Also, should I go for S30 or M22 for two surround in the back wall? This is a 5.1 setup with Sunfire TGA-5200 and SVS PB 12. Any comment, suggestion, advice will be appreciated much

First, I'd recommend not getting the S30 or any other bi/dipolar surround. Monopole works just fine for movies and is preferred for music in particular because most music is mixed with monopole speakers.

If multichannel music is not a concern and you just like the the diffuse sound of dipole (hey lots of people do), then save some bucks and get the S12s instead of the S30s. I think the S30s are discontinued anyways.

The M22s would be good as monopole surrounds for sure. I'm assuming they'll end up flush or nearly flush to a wall so you'll probably want to use their boundary compensation switch.

Personally, I prefer to use sealed speakers for surrounds. These are a little less fussy about being placed close to a wall and the smaller sealed speakers have a nice natural roll off on the bottom end to keep them from sounding boomy even when run full range.
post #2327 of 6812
^^^ +1
gbabu7, if this will be more a music system than movies go with monopole surrounds.
I even take it one further and use identical speakers all around. I only thing different with my 5 channels is having my mains (PT800, think of Gem2) mounted on top of my Revel subs. With each driven with 220w.
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Originally Posted by Ajani View Post

Interesting that you really like the Perfect 8 at the show. It was ripped apart by Soundstage (For the price relative to build and sound quality):


http://www.soundstageglobal.com/inde...=83&Itemid=246

Ok, I gotta admit that this bugged me a little. I respect Doug a lot as a reviewer - he was a key reason why I decided to try Revels. And given that I don't have a lot of experience with uber equipment I don't have a lot of self confidence in my ability to distinguish good from great sound.

So, I'm a bit relieved to see this from TAS ...

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Best Sound of Show

Although there were many worthy contenders this year, I'm going to settle on the Perfect8 The Point Mk II, simply because it disappeared better as a sound source than anything else (and consequently made voices and instruments sound more there than anything else). Of course, The Point also had a non-functional subwoofer on one speaker side, which makes my choice of a broken speaker for BOS seem a little capriciouseven to me. Let's just say that this year you wouldn't go wrong with any of my runners-up, which include (in the order I encountered them) the MBL 101 X-tremes (driven, of course, by MBL electronics), the Wilson Audio Sashas (driven by Zanden electronics), the Hansen Audio Prince E (driven by Viola electronics), the Lansche Model 7 (driven by Ypsilon electronics), the BMC Arcadia (driven by BMC electronics), the Magico Q1 (driven by Aesthetix electronics), the Neat Acoustics XL10 (driven by conrad-johnson electronics), the Magico Q3 (driven by Soulution electronics), and, yes, at least on Day Four, the Magico Q7 (driven by Soulution electronics).

http://www.avguide.com/blog/ces-2012...n%20CES%202012

I've also seen the Perfect8 room listed as Best of Show "honorable mention" a couple times too. So I'm not crazy ... or at least I'm not alone in my craziness. Those Perfect8 speakers sounded great.

To be clear, even if I were a billionaire I wouldn't buy these speakers or any speaker over 50 grand for that matter. And I especially wouldn't buy from those arrogant snooty *******s at Perfect8. The contrast between those jerkoffs and Kevin Voecks couldn't be more stark.
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As for the looks of the Perfect8, I would not pay $15k, much less $115k. The people at Harman(Voecks, Timbers) are much more down to earth than many in the industry.
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Eventually I ended up buying used P52s and C52 and a pair of new S30s. All in Cherry. Waiting for shipment. Hope to get it sometime next week. Will keep you posted of my experience.
I am upgrading from Klipsch set of 5. Will use approx. 70% for movies and 30% for music. That might change a bit if I start liking the sound of music. Symphony will be my regular choice. The system is listed below:
Sunfire TGA 5200
SVS PB 12 Sub
Pioneer Elite VSX 74TX, (weakest link?).
Sony - 60 inch TV
Player - PS3
Audio quest and Transparent cables for connection and audio quest forconnecting the speakers. Considering Furman Elite 15fii Power Conditioner.
Any suggestion about the replacing Pioneer with pre-amp and about p. conditioner will be appreciated. Should I continue to use Audio for connecting speakers?
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Originally Posted by Prosoft7 View Post

Eventually I ended up buying used P52s and C52 and a pair of new S30s. All in Cherry. Waiting for shipment. Hope to get it sometime next week. Will keep you posted of my experience.
I am upgrading from Klipsch set of 5. Will use approx. 70% for movies and 30% for music. That might change a bit if I start liking the sound of music. Symphony will be my regular choice. The system is listed below:
Sunfire TGA 5200
SVS PB 12 Sub
Pioneer Elite VSX 74TX, (weakest link?).
Sony - 60 inch TV
Player - PS3
Audio quest and Transparent cables for connection and audio quest forconnecting the speakers. Considering Furman Elite 15fii Power Conditioner.
Any suggestion about the replacing Pioneer with pre-amp and about p. conditioner will be appreciated. Should I continue to use Audio for connecting speakers?

Funny - I was reading through your list of equipment and thought "boy if he could upgrade the VSX to a Classe, Krell, or Theta, he'd be in great shape". Then I saw your note beside the VSX - so I think you're headed in the right direction.
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Originally Posted by Prosoft7 View Post

Eventually I ended up buying used P52s and C52 and a pair of new S30s. All in Cherry. Waiting for shipment. Hope to get it sometime next week. Will keep you posted of my experience.
I am upgrading from Klipsch set of 5. Will use approx. 70% for movies and 30% for music. That might change a bit if I start liking the sound of music. Symphony will be my regular choice. The system is listed below:
Sunfire TGA 5200
SVS PB 12 Sub
Pioneer Elite VSX 74TX, (weakest link?).
Sony - 60 inch TV
Player - PS3
Audio quest and Transparent cables for connection and audio quest forconnecting the speakers. Considering Furman Elite 15fii Power Conditioner.
Any suggestion about the replacing Pioneer with pre-amp and about p. conditioner will be appreciated. Should I continue to use Audio for connecting speakers?

I have the same speaker setup. I would recommend pairing them with the Denon 4311. Yes, your usage WILL change to more music with these speakers. I even like listening to music genres that I never did before just because everything sounds so good on them.

Forget the fancy cables. Save yourself some money and just run 12AWG wires for the speakers. Make sure to run an additional 16AWG wire for the S30 while you're at it for the remote control of the monopole/dipole setting.

Unless you have really bad power, you can also skip the power conditioner. If you must just get a UPS like the CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD Pure Sine Wave UPS. I use one only because I'm a bit on the paranoid side and use it so I don't lose power while running firmware updates on my Denon 4311 and Oppo 93. Loing power while updating firmware could possibly brick the unit. That's the only reason I use anything. Modern electronics power supplies are quite good at handling most power conditions unless it's really bad.
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Thanks for the responses.
Javry, changing gear to the right direction! Looking to replace my weakest link.
I have Belkin PureAV F9A-1033-12 currently. Can only go for Tripp Lite - Isobar HT7300PC Power Conditioner, nothing more. Rather spend the money on replacing the Pioneer VSX 54TX Receiver.

Duc135, bought the ground fault tester. So far, test readings are just fine at my home!
Only thing I am unsure about even after reading so many discussions of back and forth arguments about Receiver and Preamp (as separates). Why a good receiver will not be as close in perfomance as a equivalently priced Preamp if I just use the pre-out slots of the Receiver? The value, as we know, is a function of price. If I spend $165,000 for a pair of speakers, even my grandpa will be happy sitting in his grave! But the trick is to get the best performance out of least spending. Can we have a solid discussion based on experience and logic in favor and against Preamps as opposed to Receivers?
My individual question - what preamp or receiver matches best with the set of Revel F52s/C52/S30s for mainly HTS? Please share your past experience and knowledge. An open discussion will help us all who are new member of this great group of Revel owners/users.
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Originally Posted by Prosoft7 View Post

Thanks for the responses.
Javry, changing gear to the right direction! Looking to replace my weakest link.
I have Belkin PureAV F9A-1033-12 currently. Can only go for Tripp Lite - Isobar HT7300PC Power Conditioner, nothing more. Rather spend the money on replacing the Pioneer VSX 54TX Receiver.

Duc135, bought the ground fault tester. So far, test readings are just fine at my home!
Only thing I am unsure about even after reading so many back and forth argument about Receiver and Preamp (as separates). Why a good receiver will not be as close as a equivalently priced Preamp if I just use the pre-out slots of the Receiver? The value, as we know, is dependent on price. If I spend $165,000 for a pair of speakers, even my grandpa will be happy sitting in his grave! But the trick is to get the best performance out of least spending. Can we have a solid discussion based on experience and logic in favor and against both?
Also, what preamp or receiver matches best with the set of Revel F52s/C52/S30s for mainly HTS? Please share your past experience and knowledge. An open discussion will help us all who are new member of this great group of Revel owners/users.

I have never used a pre-amp so I can't say I have any real world experience, only what I've read. IMO, the days of the uber high price pre-amps are gone. Receivers now are more than capable of competing toe to toe with most all pre-amps. To spend X times the cost of a decent, comparable, modern receiver is just silliness unless the pre-amp offers a feature that no receiver does and you absolutely need it. I thinks it is now more of a status and look at what I have thing now. As for your comparison of a receiver to a comparably priced pre-amp, there is no real competition. For the price of a low end pre-amp, you can get a top of the line receiver that will dance circles around the pre-amp.

I have used Sony, Harmon Kardon, Pioneer and Denon receivers. Only the Denons and the HK were recent models so I can't honestly compare the Sony and Pioneer. The receiver you decide on should satisfy the needs of your setup and requirements. My choice of receiver was made because I needed/wanted Audyssey XT32 to calibrate my speakers and multiple subs into my room. At the time Denon had the only option. Going from Audyssey XT (Denon 4310) to XT32 (Denon 4311) was a noticeable improvement in my opinion. I do have a three subs in an 18' x 17' x 8' sealed room and no matter where I placed my subs, was getting a huge null at the MLP at certain frequencies so powerful sub EQ was what I needed.

Same goes for amps. Any pro amp that can deliver the sufficient power to your speakers is as good as any Krell, Mark Levinson, NAD, etc amp. So long as it can deliver the power at the frequencies and impedance you need that's all that matters. The amps' job is to power the speakers and nothing else. It should not add a certain sound or presence to the audio. If it does, it was designed poorly. It should reproduce the signal it was fed from the source. Nothing more, nothing less. With "high end audiophile" amps, mostly what you pay for are the name, looks and usually quiet, fanless designs. If it's tucked in a closet somewhere, the only time you'll notice the difference is when you look at how much bigger you bank account will be if you bought pro audio amps.

As for the power conditioner, if your wiring is good, your lights aren't constantly dimming and you don't have frequent black/brownouts you can do without it. Like I said, most modern electronics have power supplies that are more than capable of dealing with voltage swings. Look at the back of any modern device and it should give you a voltage range. Often it's like 100V - 120V or something like that. Again, the only reason I have the UPS is to prevent loss of power to my equipment when updating the BIOS and potentially bricking it. It has nothing to do with conditioning the power to protect the equipment or make the audio and video quality any better. I just use a decent quality surge suppressor for that.

Save your money on that and the expensive cables and spend it on your receiver, room treatments or professional calibration instead. That's where you'll hear the difference.
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Thanks a bunch DUC135! I can see your points clearly. My surge protector's specs say it does isolate and contain power line noise within individual pairs of receptacle banks. Has 4720 Joules absorption capacity. It is relatively new. So I think I am going to live with that and that's my final decision. About sound stage, I logically can't see how an amp can play much role here, even if it does, it should be less than significant. With this in mind, I spoke with a local dealer about decent receiver. Will go see on Tues/Wednesday. My next step will be focused in calibration and home treatment. That's the tentative game plan now.
Will keep you guys posted. Looking forward to hear Pink Floyd (Roger Water live) and watch Independence Day once more (actually the 4th time!).
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I'm pretty much in agreement with duc135 here and might even go further. I think this will go against hi-fi orthodoxy but the quality of the sound is about 90% the quality of the loudspeaker. Everything else is just putting icing on the cake (given you have a power/impedance match). Where they come up with spending 30% each on speakers, amp and source would probably be with satisfying advertisers. To that end I went from $2200 Focal speakers and a $400 NAD amp to the Revel Ultima2 Studios. Even with the $400 amp, the Revels still sounded like great speakers in a large room. I did get a Pathos Acoustics $3000 integrated with “only” 70 watts and the extra wattage/current did put the icing on the cake-it sounds great. Now who thinks I would get a better sound, dropping down in the Revel line and moving up in amplification, or even more to the point, upgrading the $1000 Marantz SACD player while dropping down the Revel line. I say it wouldn’t happen no matter what electronic combo I tried. But hey, I’m like everybody else. I’d love to try some higher-end electronics with the Ultima2’s. I’m willing to be convinced. I’ve even come close to clicking on “Buy” on some used but pricey gear but then, luckily my common sense kicks in and I resist.
And another thing, if this is 70% for movies anyway, why bother? I guess you can slap a sub in there to help you feel the bombs going off but if it isn’t for music, my guess is there will be no difference changing amps. Good luck with it.
gtrman
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Originally Posted by Prosoft7 View Post

Eventually I ended up buying used P52s and C52 and a pair of new S30s. All in Cherry. Waiting for shipment. Hope to get it sometime next week. Will keep you posted of my experience.
I am upgrading from Klipsch set of 5. Will use approx. 70% for movies and 30% for music. That might change a bit if I start liking the sound of music. Symphony will be my regular choice. The system is listed below:
Sunfire TGA 5200
SVS PB 12 Sub
Pioneer Elite VSX 74TX, (weakest link?).
Sony - 60 inch TV
Player - PS3
Audio quest and Transparent cables for connection and audio quest forconnecting the speakers. Considering Furman Elite 15fii Power Conditioner.
Any suggestion about the replacing Pioneer with pre-amp and about p. conditioner will be appreciated. Should I continue to use Audio for connecting speakers?

Foo-foo cables and power conditioners are a waste of money. Make your own cables; there is a good how-to thread here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1301573

If you want power protection get your electrician to install a whole-house surge protector:

http://www.google.com/products/catal...d=0CJUBEPMCMAA
post #2338 of 6812
Thanks all for chiming in so far with some truly useful suggestion and comments. Finally, I decided to steer clear of Power conditioner, and continue using my Belkin PureAV. Keeping the wires of course. But will need one extra pair of wire for the S30s since these are bi-wire speakers and I want to take advantage of this feature.
Meantime, just like some few others, I am going to go ahead and change my Pioneer Elite vsx 54TX and planning to replace this with a Integra DHC 80.2. This is a compromise in a sense that I was eyeing 80.3, but skipped it and save some real money here. But I was somehow feeling a bit restless to have a mid-low end receiver to run these F52s, specially because I never tune-in and don't need the redundant amp within. After doing serious exploration, I thought the Surround processor is going to be most balanced approach. Have some bells and whitles, but not too, again clearly compliment an existing Amp. Another consideration was the Audyssey room correction. Seeing a lot of positive remark about it. This is going to be under $2k and brand new. Will keep coming back with my new adventure with these babies! The process of doing this, to me, might be equally fulfilling as the end result of listening to good sound of music and watch movie with a bit of added thrill...
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Originally Posted by Prosoft7 View Post

Thanks all for chiming in so far with some truly useful suggestion and comments. Finally, I decided to steer clear of Power conditioner, and continue using my Belkin PureAV. Keeping the wires of course. But will need one extra pair of wire for the S30s since these are bi-wire speakers and I want to take advantage of this feature.
Meantime, just like some few others, I am going to go ahead and change my Pioneer Elite vsx 54TX and planning to replace this with a Integra DHC 80.2. This is a compromise in a sense that I was eyeing 80.3, but skipped it and save some real money here. But I was somehow feeling a bit restless to have a mid-low end receiver to run these F52s, specially because I never tune-in and don't need the redundant amp within. After doing serious exploration, I thought the Surround processor is going to be most balanced approach. Have some bells and whitles, but not too, again clearly compliment an existing Amp. Another consideration was the Audyssey room correction. Seeing a lot of positive remark about it. This is going to be under $2k and brand new. Will keep coming back with my new adventure with these babies! The process of doing this, to me, might be equally fulfilling as the end result of listening to good sound of music and watch movie with a bit of added thrill...

Unless it has something you absolutely need, my suggestion is to consider the Denon 4311 over the Integra and save yourself some money. The Denon goes for ~$1300 and has quite capable amps unless you plan on being more than a dozen feet away from the mains and listen to them at reference.

The S30 is not bi-amp/bi-wire capable. The second wire is for the mono-pole/di-pole remote turn on. You can run any cheap 18AWG wire for the 12V signal if you use it. If I remember correctly the manual doesn't really say anything about it, but polarity does not matter and a presence of a 12V signal will make it a mono-pole. Without a 12V signal it is di-pole. Found this out through experimentation.

The F52 and C52 are bi-amp/bi-wire capable, but you will not hear any difference if you were to go that route. If you have extra wire laying around feel free to try it, but if you don't, don't bother wasting money to do so.
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Thanks for clearing this up duc135! I don't have the speaker in hand yet, hence, was mistakenly thinking the S30s as bi-wire etc. I indeed have bi-wiring currently with 12 AWG Audioquest. Hence, it will not cost me extra. For S30s I will then buy the thinner 14 or may 16AWG wire. How will the di-pole connectivity effect my sound during movie?
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