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post #2461 of 6810
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Originally Posted by gary cornell View Post

Can't tell you the weight, just that I have them and prefer them to their replacement, the M22.

Can you get a bathroom scale, weigh yourself, then kick the scale over to one of your M20s, pick it up, step on the scale and subtract the difference? Let me know the result.
post #2462 of 6810
Hello everyone. I finally bit the bullet and brought home a pair of black Salon2's yesterday, preowned, but amazing. They replaced my Mythos ST set-up. I am running them with 2 Emo XPA-1's, but feel like they could easily handle 2 of those per channel. Any thoughts on that? These speakers are something else.
post #2463 of 6810
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Originally Posted by stevensctt View Post

Can you get a bathroom scale, weigh yourself, then kick the scale over to one of your M20s, pick it up, step on the scale and subtract the difference? Let me know the result.
Why don't you look it up on the Revel site?
post #2464 of 6810
congrats on the salon2

i would recomend a bryston 4B amp
post #2465 of 6810
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Originally Posted by Mako71 View Post

Hello everyone. I finally bit the bullet and brought home a pair of black Salon2's yesterday, preowned, but amazing. They replaced my Mythos ST set-up. I am running them with 2 Emo XPA-1's, but feel like they could easily handle 2 of those per channel. Any thoughts on that? These speakers are something else.

I have a difficult time believing you would need more than the pair of XPA-1 amps.

I'm driving my Salon2 with an ATI AT3002 300wpc x 2ch amp, and it's not even breaking a sweat.

Perhaps you just need to increase the voltage gain on your preamp or pre-pro. biggrin.gif

Your Emotiva Amps are just fine. No worries.
post #2466 of 6810
Hi guys,

Revel posted a video of their new Performa3 series, which I haven't seen yet (had no time), but thought you would be also interested to see it. It is over 9 minutes long, so maybe we get some background information aswell. smile.gif

Here is the link to youtube :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT9Iysgf_PY&feature=youtu.be

Enjoy,

Regards: Gustav
post #2467 of 6810
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

I have a difficult time believing you would need more than the pair of XPA-1 amps.
I'm driving my Salon2 with an ATI AT3002 300wpc x 2ch amp, and it's not even breaking a sweat.
Perhaps you just need to increase the voltage gain on your preamp or pre-pro. biggrin.gif
Your Emotiva Amps are just fine. No worries.

I have the gain at 6 db on my Integra 80.2, and the Salons play quite loud, but the blue led's are prominent. For bassier passages it sometimes dips into the red lights. ADTG, should I increase the gain further?
post #2468 of 6810
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Originally Posted by Mako71 View Post

I have the gain at 6 db on my Integra 80.2, and the Salons play quite loud, but the blue led's are prominent. For bassier passages it sometimes dips into the red lights. ADTG, should I increase the gain further?

Wow!

So this +6.0 equals what on the SPL meter? 75dBC from your listening position?

My guess is, it may not do it, but it doesn't hurt to try. Easy enough to try.
post #2469 of 6810
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

I have a difficult time believing you would need more than the pair of XPA-1 amps.

That's assuming the XPA-1s have adequate power from the circuit.

If I had to guess though, the integra lacks preout headroom.
post #2470 of 6810
anything jump out in the bookshelf speakers for the price
post #2471 of 6810
Hi everyone,

does anyone have any spade lug recommendations for the Revel Concerta M12s etc.? Are they the standard 1/4"?

Cheers.

Tony
post #2472 of 6810
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Originally Posted by TKO1 View Post

Hi everyone,
does anyone have any spade lug recommendations for the Revel Concerta M12s etc.? Are they the standard 1/4"?
Cheers.
Tony

Tony, there's nothing odd about Revel's binding posts when using spades. I've used Audioquest spades and vampire wire spades that terminated element cable silver cables without issue with my Performa M22 and I've also fitted Monster Cable spades to Revel S30 surrounds. So yes, all Revel speakers use standard sized spade connections. If you're looking for recommendations, if your cables are not already pre-terminated, then I would suggest the Audioquest spades. They have lots of weight to them and use a non-solder hex screws to properly secure your cabling.

Regards,
Theo
post #2473 of 6810
Thanks Theo. Ordered some from BlueJeansCable. Cheers.

Tony
post #2474 of 6810
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Originally Posted by TKO1 View Post

Thanks Theo. Ordered some from BlueJeansCable. Cheers.
Tony

BlueJeans rocks. Great choice for cables.
post #2475 of 6810
Well, after a looooooong search for my living room setup (still need to figure out the theater room), I actually stepped up and made a purchase! I jsut walked out of my local shop with a set of f12s, a c12 and a pair of s12 surrounds!! I like to support the local business, and they gave me a great deal. As I said, I still need to outfit the theater room, but this will make the wait waaaaaayy easier. I have something nice to use in the meantime and can take my time searching.

I do have a few questions for the Revel experts. First off, I think they are wonderfull speakers. I got to hear the studios too..wow! I listened to the concerta for a while before deciding to buy, but heard manily on McIntosh gear(I will not spend the $$ on that). I am going to use them mainly for tv/movies and backround music. I am curious what folks are using for electronics that pair well with Revel. Anyone on just receiver, or mostly separates?? What brands have yielded good results?? I am hoping to use electronics that will get the absolute most of these speakers. Pretty psyched to finally have something
post #2476 of 6810
If you go with Parasound amps for those Revels all will be good. The P7 pre-amp and any Halo power amp(s) will do.
The P7 has HT bypass, bass management for stereo sources.
post #2477 of 6810
Thanks for chimming in!! Those Halo amps are pretty big $$ aren't they, like $5k?? Even used they seem to go for more than the new classic line is new. Why parasound anyway(just out of curiosity)...what have you experienced??
post #2478 of 6810
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Originally Posted by ChopShop1 View Post

Well, after a looooooong search for my living room setup (still need to figure out the theater room), I actually stepped up and made a purchase! I jsut walked out of my local shop with a set of f12s, a c12 and a pair of s12 surrounds!! I like to support the local business, and they gave me a great deal. As I said, I still need to outfit the theater room, but this will make the wait waaaaaayy easier. I have something nice to use in the meantime and can take my time searching.
I do have a few questions for the Revel experts. First off, I think they are wonderfull speakers. I got to hear the studios too..wow! I listened to the concerta for a while before deciding to buy, but heard manily on McIntosh gear(I will not spend the $$ on that). I am going to use them mainly for tv/movies and backround music. I am curious what folks are using for electronics that pair well with Revel. Anyone on just receiver, or mostly separates?? What brands have yielded good results?? I am hoping to use electronics that will get the absolute most of these speakers. Pretty psyched to finally have something

ChopShop,

I'm using a Lexicon CX-7. It's 140wpc and stable into 2ohm loads. So yes, I'm using separates and i've been exceedingly happy with the results--and I'm in a very large room.
post #2479 of 6810
I had a pair of F12's once upon a time and drove them with a musical fidelity A5. They paired up great.
post #2480 of 6810
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Originally Posted by ChopShop1 View Post

Anyone on just receiver, or mostly separates?? What brands have yielded good results?? I am hoping to use electronics that will get the absolute most of these speakers. Pretty psyched to finally have something

Congrats on your new speakers. I have the F52s and tried them both on a Denon AVR-4311 receiver and an Emotive XPA-2. I can't tell the difference between the two until I get over 95dBs or so when the Denon starts to sounds a little harsh in the highs. I sit about 8' from the speakers in a well treated 18' x 17' x 8' dedicated room. I normally don't listen at those levels so I could go either way and not tell the difference. I often turn it up to 85+dBs and wasn't able to tell the difference so I would say save your money on going separates and spend them on your HT setup or room treatments for what ever room you'll be putting them in. In my opinion, the F12s won't need anything special to sound good especially if it's only for "background music".
post #2481 of 6810
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Originally Posted by ChopShop1 View Post

Thanks for chimming in!! Those Halo amps are pretty big $$ aren't they, like $5k?? Even used they seem to go for more than the new classic line is new. Why parasound anyway(just out of curiosity)...what have you experienced??

The JC1 mono block amps are $5K/ea
The A21< $2300, A23 <$1000, A31 < $3000, A51 ~ $4500, A52 < $2300

I've owned a Parasound HCA2205A over ten years, P7 over two years.
Beautiful sounding amps, very detailed.
I know of one guy who bought a pair of Salon2 and was not happy with their sound until he switched to a pair of JC1 to drive them.
post #2482 of 6810
Thanks to all for replying!! I really like the idea of using separates duc135, based on your comments actually. I won't do really critical listening, mostly tv, movies and backround music. That said, I listen to everthing at excessivly loud levels, so powerfull amps might be the way to go. If I can find any of those Parasounds used, they might be a winner(an a51 for $2500 or less might fit the budget). If I can't, then emo, wyred, etc, who could be had 5ch for sub$3k might fit. I will hook them up to a good receiver at the shop once they come in and see how they sound. My local shop has Mcintosh, Nad, Arcam, Denon, AR, Anthem...point is, I can try quite a few. I then need to figure out processing. I want something that is capable of two zones plus 5.2 in the living room for movie nights while I wait for the theater to be finished. What have you guys had sucess with for procssing with the Revels.
post #2483 of 6810
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Originally Posted by Thxtheater View Post

ChopShop,
I'm using a Lexicon CX-7. It's 140wpc and stable into 2ohm loads. So yes, I'm using separates and i've been exceedingly happy with the results--and I'm in a very large room.

Check for these types of Lexicon units or their JBL Synthesis brethren (S800, S820, S650, S7165). You can occasionally find them on eBay, Harman's online store (as refurbs or clearance) and elsewhere (Elegant Audio and others). Good prices, great gear. Run all day, don't get hot. Mission accomplished. smile.gif JBL Performance AV7 can sometimes be found for under $1,000. I have that one (as well as an S800 on a separate system). Awesome and plenty of power.
post #2484 of 6810
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Originally Posted by ChopShop1 View Post

Thanks to all for replying!! I really like the idea of using separates duc135, based on your comments actually. I won't do really critical listening, mostly tv, movies and backround music. That said, I listen to everthing at excessivly loud levels, so powerfull amps might be the way to go. If I can find any of those Parasounds used, they might be a winner(an a51 for $2500 or less might fit the budget). If I can't, then emo, wyred, etc, who could be had 5ch for sub$3k might fit. I will hook them up to a good receiver at the shop once they come in and see how they sound. My local shop has Mcintosh, Nad, Arcam, Denon, AR, Anthem...point is, I can try quite a few. I then need to figure out processing. I want something that is capable of two zones plus 5.2 in the living room for movie nights while I wait for the theater to be finished. What have you guys had sucess with for procssing with the Revels.

Keep in mind that the F12 is 3dB more sensitive than my F52 so will require 1/2 the power under the same conditions. Excessively loud is relative, but the Denon AVR-4311 should be able to drive your F12 to 100+dBs (boundary gain not included) at 9' if the F12 can handle it without compression. The Denon also has Audyssey XT32 room EQ and auto-correction which is considered to be one of the best, if not the best, consumer grade systems available in a sound processor/receiver. I would suggest you try using a capable receiver first before spending tens of thousands on electronics to drive less that $2K worth of speakers.

BTW, The Denon 4311 can do what you ask in terms of two zones plus 5.2 in the main room without the need for additional amps either. It has 9 amp channels built in and can actually do 7.2 in the main room and two additional zones if you add an external two channel amp. Also, the .2 channel is a true 2 channel LFE configuration and not just a single LFE channel with an internal Y connector. I believe the Onkyo 3008 and 5008 are similar, but I'm not familiar with them. The Denon 4311 has been replaced by the 4520, which has a little more power and added features, but is also over $1000 more at current street prices.
post #2485 of 6810
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Originally Posted by duc135 View Post

Keep in mind that the F12 is 3dB more sensitive than my F52 so will require 1/2 the power under the same conditions. Excessively loud is relative, but the Denon AVR-4311 should be able to drive your F12 to 100+dBs (boundary gain not included) at 9' if the F12 can handle it without compression. The Denon also has Audyssey XT32 room EQ and auto-correction which is considered to be one of the best, if not the best, consumer grade systems available in a sound processor/receiver. I would suggest you try using a capable receiver first before spending tens of thousands on electronics to drive less that $2K worth of speakers.
BTW, The Denon 4311 can do what you ask in terms of two zones plus 5.2 in the main room without the need for additional amps either. It has 9 amp channels built in and can actually do 7.2 in the main room and two additional zones if you add an external two channel amp. Also, the .2 channel is a true 2 channel LFE configuration and not just a single LFE channel with an internal Y connector. I believe the Onkyo 3008 and 5008 are similar, but I'm not familiar with them. The Denon 4311 has been replaced by the 4520, which has a little more power and added features, but is also over $1000 more at current street prices.

I agree, and trust me, I looked into spending more on speakers, but it inevitably meant spending more on electronics also. My dealer actually has a 4311 demo model in the store so I can test it. If I like it, I can have it for $900. That would be a home run for me, as the spearate theater room project keeps getting more and more expensive.
post #2486 of 6810
I would jump on the 4311 for $900. I just replaced a Marantz AV7005 with a 4311, using a Sunfire Signature Seven for my amp (400 x 7), powering Salon2 fronts and a Voice2 center, with Def Tech in-walls for sides and backs. I went with the 4311 for the XT32, since I'm running quad subs in my treated room, and it does a fantastic job at smoothing the response from top to bottom. Also, with the 4311, if you decide that you want more power or just to try some standalone amps with the system later on, the amps in the 4311 can be turned off if you''re using the pre-outs. I've since added a McIntosh MC402 (400 watts x 2) for 2-channel music with my Salon2's, with a Squeezebox Touch/Jolida tube DAC combo. While the 4311 sounds great by itself, I think the McIntosh allows the Salon2's to perform as well as they're designed to. I don't want to get into a whole "amps are all the same" debate, and at least 50% of the reason I wanted the McIntosh was for the blue dials/name (and I found a great dealer demo on it), but my point is that at least if you start with the 4311, you can always add an amp later on down the line, when the money might be there after getting the room done. My system(s) have been a 20ish year project/labor of love; you shouldn't be too impatient to want to do everything at once. As your tastes and experience changes, then you can look at investing your money more wisely vs. squandering it on lesser value attempts (which I'm guilty of, like others).
post #2487 of 6810
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Originally Posted by schroedk View Post

Also, with the 4311, if you decide that you want more power or just to try some standalone amps with the system later on, the amps in the 4311 can be turned off if you''re using the pre-outs.

Just to clarify, the amps are not actually turned off. It's the signal to the amp that is shut off. The amps remain on, but are idling.
post #2488 of 6810
I'm using Parasound A52, and C2 processor for my Concerta F12/C12, and Performa S30 setup, and I really like them.

In my opinion in the long run, seperates are the way to go, so I would't hesitate to buy good separates. Parasound is a really good option, or if you would like to spend less, some people like Emotiva (I'm kind of on the fence there).
Later if you would like to, you can upgarde speakers, and you will have proper amplification already. If you get an avarage amp now, you will need to change your amp and your speakers at the same time, to not have a weak link in your setup, which is withholding all the others.... Not a good idea.
post #2489 of 6810
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Originally Posted by schroedk View Post

I would jump on the 4311 for $900. I just replaced a Marantz AV7005 with a 4311, using a Sunfire Signature Seven for my amp (400 x 7), powering Salon2 fronts and a Voice2 center, with Def Tech in-walls for sides and backs. I went with the 4311 for the XT32, since I'm running quad subs in my treated room, and it does a fantastic job at smoothing the response from top to bottom. Also, with the 4311, if you decide that you want more power or just to try some standalone amps with the system later on, the amps in the 4311 can be turned off if you''re using the pre-outs. I've since added a McIntosh MC402 (400 watts x 2) for 2-channel music with my Salon2's, with a Squeezebox Touch/Jolida tube DAC combo. While the 4311 sounds great by itself, I think the McIntosh allows the Salon2's to perform as well as they're designed to. I don't want to get into a whole "amps are all the same" debate, and at least 50% of the reason I wanted the McIntosh was for the blue dials/name (and I found a great dealer demo on it), but my point is that at least if you start with the 4311, you can always add an amp later on down the line, when the money might be there after getting the room done. My system(s) have been a 20ish year project/labor of love; you shouldn't be too impatient to want to do everything at once. As your tastes and experience changes, then you can look at investing your money more wisely vs. squandering it on lesser value attempts (which I'm guilty of, like others).

My suggestion of Lexicon and JBL Synthesis/Performance was not an attempt to wade too deeply into the separates versus integrated debate. By virtually all accounts, the Denon 4311 and related products are terrific pieces, and the XT32 seems like a no-brainer upgrade for a four-sub system (I have the Marantz AV7005, myself, but a simpler system to manage, and tend to eschew Audyssey in favor of my own sonic impressions -- probably a mistake, but hey). If an integrated works, go for it, and the 4311 at $900 looks like a steal. In my case, save for the Marantz (yoked to the JBL AV7), i stayed in-house on my systems -- all JBL Synthesis/Performance and Revel, and could not be more pleased. The JBL Synthesis labeled amps and processors (whether independently designed or Lexicon re-badges) work splendidly, and when priced like I see on occasion, seem like an utter bargain. JBL Synthesis strikes me as one of those extremely under-appreciated brands, perhaps due to its general association with fully integrated systems, versus serving as component pieces for custom applications. Some of this is intentional, I presume, to keep the brand discrete from Lexicon, but that works to our advantage as consumers and audiophiles. I got each of my S800 and AV7 each, for well under $1,000. They work flawlessly, stay cool and quiet (by way of fans and distortion), and have yet to clip in any discernible way.
post #2490 of 6810
Question for those who have heard both the Gallo Reference 3.X speakers and the Revel Ultima Salon2s. I have a pair of Ref 3.5s for my main L & R channels. I like them a lot but have always been a little disappointed in the image height. They do throw an impressive sound stage, but I don't get that "wall of sound" feel from them.

Just curious what thoughts you may have if you've heard both of them, or the Studio2s. I get the impression from reading reviews on the Salons and Studios that they may also be more resolving and have more dynamic range/low end.
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