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post #2551 of 6832
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Originally Posted by dsonic View Post

Gustav,
I have not heard the Gems. I did own the F52 Performas for 18 months and then upgraded to the Ultima Studio2s. They are a quantum step in superiority to the F52s.
I am a new dealer for the Revel speaker line and will be getting some of the Performa3s in the near future. I will post my impressions of them as soon as I can. I have been told that they close most of the gap between the F52s and the Ultima2s. This could be an excellent value if true. The Performa3 line looks tre cool with the grilles on but not so much so witht hem off. Most of the publicity photos are with the grilles off.
Regards,
Dennis

Awesome, looking forward toward your review. I think they look better with grills on too. I love my Def Tech BP7000SC, but they drive me bipolar sometimes with music lol Looking at possibly Performa3 else Studio 2's but I'l have to sell a lot of blood lol
post #2552 of 6832
How's the upper mids and highs of the studio2 compared to the salon2? These two speakers seem so close yet so different!
post #2553 of 6832
How's the upper mids and highs of the studio2 compared to the salon2? These two speakers seem so close yet so different!
post #2554 of 6832
How's the upper mids and highs of the studio2 compared to the salon2? These two speakers seem so close yet so different!
post #2555 of 6832
Truwarrior,

There are two main differences (as I recall) between the Salon2 and Studio2 models. As I recall, Kevin Voecks highlighted two main items:

1) Transition from the tweeter to the midrange in the Salon2 is better. There's an additional driver for that.
2) Bass response is obviously much deeper in the Salon2 model.

There was a YouTube video you can lookup where Kevin is introducing the Ultima2 models and these were the two main/notable differences. That does not imply that these are the only differences. The Salon2 models are obviously bigger, can likely push more air and are likely better suited to fill larger rooms than the Salon2 models.

Whatever the differences, the Salon2 models are simply astounding and jaw-dropping top to bottom in everything they do.
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Originally Posted by truwarrior22 View Post

How's the upper mids and highs of the studio2 compared to the salon2? These two speakers seem so close yet so different!
post #2556 of 6832
The price betwen the Salon2 and the Studio2 is a lot for me. I'd give up a little mid clarity and low end with the Studio 2, but do the highs sound the same between the two? How close if the sound stage between the two? I only have NAD M25 amp, it's 7 channels so I could bi amp the mains and still have 5.1, but not sure if that's enough power for even the Studio2.

My local dealer has Studio 2's and will be getting Performa 3's soon, but I'm not sure where I'll find Salon2. Maybe the Harmann truck will be out again this year smile.gif
post #2557 of 6832
Does anyone have any contacts with any Revel dealers that can offer good pricing and ship these speakers? I am possibly interested in the Performa3 Series. Please PM me if so. Thank you.
post #2558 of 6832
Addict,

Contact me at: d_sonic1@yahoo.com

Regards,

Dennis
post #2559 of 6832
Warrior,

In our audio circle we have two Salon2 owners and two Studio2 owners. I am one of the Studio2 owners. My opinion:

Salon2s have a very slight edge in midrange transparency, a clear step up in bass performance. Trebles are identical.

Both of us Studio2 owners use a pair of 15" subs (Velodyne DD15+ for me). The Salon2 guys run full range and both admit that the overall sonics of the Studio2s with subs are superior systems. I did take my subs over to one of the Salon2 men's home. Wow. If you can afford this combination, the results are dramatic.

Regards,

Dennis
post #2560 of 6832
Thread Starter 
I never really bought into the idea of trying to run full range main speakers. LF speakers really have different placement requirements.
post #2561 of 6832
Does anyone know the height of the C208 if you use the short feet to tilt the speaker up?

The specifications list the height at 11.8", but it does not specify the height if you use the feet to tilt the speaker. The manual for the C208 does not provide as much detail for the dimensions as manuals for older models.

Thanks
post #2562 of 6832
If you are on Facebook, post on Revel's fan page. They are pretty quick at answering questions out there.
post #2563 of 6832
Btw, has anyone seen/heard Performa3 in the wild yet?
post #2564 of 6832
Do revels typically go for a neutral sound?
post #2565 of 6832
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Originally Posted by bthrb4u View Post

Do revels typically go for a neutral sound?
No sir, not typically. Revel has always strived for neutrality, perhaps more so than any other brand.
post #2566 of 6832
? did you just contradict yourself?
post #2567 of 6832
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Originally Posted by addictaudio View Post

Does anyone have any contacts with any Revel dealers that can offer good pricing and ship these speakers? I am possibly interested in the Performa3 Series. Please PM me if so. Thank you.

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post #2568 of 6832
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Originally Posted by bthrb4u View Post

Do revels typically go for a neutral sound?
The only Revels I have heard were the Studio2s in my room and I can certainly state they were nuetral (and awesome).biggrin.gif
post #2569 of 6832
Yes, I would classify my Salon2's as very neutral. In addition, it seems that as revealing as these speakers are, they bring out the best in ANY music, be it high-res FLAC tracks from HDtracks.com, low to high bit rate MP3's, or streams from Pandora. The high-res stuff sounds jaw-droppingly fantastic, and even the low-bit-rate streams sound very good. For reference, I am running all music (Pandora, MP3's, and FLAC files) from a Squeezebox Touch (through a Jolida tube DAC) into a Denon 4311ci, with a McIntosh MC402 for power. If you can find a good deal, I can't recommend the Revel Ultima series highly enough. Although my Avalon Symbols I have running in my family room are fantastic too, and at a much lower cost. But yes, there is a difference.
post #2570 of 6832
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Thanks. Right back at you:)
post #2571 of 6832
well i can't afford studio's lol maybe performa3's.
anyone heard themyet or can compare a revel tolets say new paradigm signature s6?
post #2572 of 6832
Having the same potential issue. Planning to move to Studio 2 from F52. Have C52, but currently can't afford to go for Voice 2. It is such a big jump!
So, seriously considering a compromise. The color and build style of C208 seems to match better with Studio 2 than C52. Only concern, the mid-range of C208 is 4 inch as opposed to 5.25 inch in case of C52. Is that going to be an issue?
post #2573 of 6832
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Originally Posted by Prosoft7 View Post

Having the same potential issue. Planning to move to Studio 2 from F52. Have C52, but currently can't afford to go for Voice 2. It is such a big jump!
So, seriously considering a compromise. The color and build style of C208 seems to match better with Studio 2 than C52. Only concern, the mid-range of C208 is 4 inch as opposed to 5.25 inch in case of C52. Is that going to be an issue?

A 4" midrange is a good size. Some speakers are so wimpy that a 4" is the mid-bass. All the speakers I own have 4" mr, and not a problem. The Gem2 has the same 4" driver as my PT800s.
post #2574 of 6832
Thanks 4DHD! Anyone has experience of listening and comparing C52 with Voice 2? Are there significant difference or just a little bit? Bottom line, in any case a Voice 2 will cost twice or more than C52! Is that worth?
post #2575 of 6832
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Originally Posted by Prosoft7 View Post

Thanks 4DHD! Anyone has experience of listening and comparing C52 with Voice 2? Are there significant difference or just a little bit? Bottom line, in any case a Voice 2 will cost twice or more than C52! Is that worth?

Prosoft,

While I haven't specifically compared a C52 with a Voice2, I am using a C32 with Salon2s. Not exactly the same, but I feel it allows me to make some conclusions.

I can tell you that while the timbre matching is great, but the transparency, dynamics, imaging, and everything of the Ultima2 series is just amazing. In my specific setup, it works given my budgetary constraints. But, I would assume based on what I specifically see between the Salons and the C32 that there would indeed be a substantial difference with the Voice2--especially in terms of purity, clarity, soundstage, and the upper frequencies thanks to the beryllium tweeter.

Whether it's worth twice the cost is a judgment and value call. I went from the Performa line to Salons and there's indeed a substantial difference--whether that's worth 2x-4x of the price is again a value call. Specifically, how much do you value what one does better than the other. To me, the performance and enjoyment of the Ultima series is surely worth it.

My local dealer doesn't have a Voice2 on display, but he says it's the best center channel speaker they have ever heard when they've put it in setups.

Once you start getting to this upper-level of products, you don't get a 1:1 ratio of cost and performance improvements. Instead, the differences tend to center around refinement vs. revolution. But those refinements sure are beautiful.

Just my experience.
Theo
post #2576 of 6832
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Originally Posted by Thxtheater View Post

Prosoft,
While I haven't specifically compared a C52 with a Voice2, I am using a C32 with Salon2s. Not exactly the same, but I feel it allows me to make some conclusions.
I can tell you that while the timbre matching is great, but the transparency, dynamics, imaging, and everything of the Ultima2 series is just amazing. In my specific setup, it works given my budgetary constraints. But, I would assume based on what I specifically see between the Salons and the C32 that there would indeed be a substantial difference with the Voice2--especially in terms of purity, clarity, soundstage, and the upper frequencies thanks to the beryllium tweeter.
Whether it's worth twice the cost is a judgment and value call. I went from the Performa line to Salons and there's indeed a substantial difference--whether that's worth 2x-4x of the price is again a value call. Specifically, how much do you value what one does better than the other. To me, the performance and enjoyment of the Ultima series is surely worth it.
My local dealer doesn't have a Voice2 on display, but he says it's the best center channel speaker they have ever heard when they've put it in setups.
Once you start getting to this upper-level of products, you don't get a 1:1 ratio of cost and performance improvements. Instead, the differences tend to center around refinement vs. revolution. But those refinements sure are beautiful.
Just my experience.
Theo

Thanks a bunch Thxtheater! Even though currently have F52/C52/S30 set up, I will eventually go for Studio 2 for sure. Can't do it all together, but go there step by step. I heard Salon 2 that was set up with JBL synthesis gear. Amazing! I heard good things about Aerial CC5 too, size is bigger, heaver and Mike Keaton done something special in the cross over area by using large independent networks on glass-epoxy PCBs, High-purity copper wiring. Silver solder premium passive components and environment and Treble controls. But looks like Voice 2 might even beat this one!
I never had a chance to audition these side-by-side. That would have been quite a experience though! Not sure if anyone in the forum have done that...
Edited by gbabu7 - 12/24/12 at 5:30pm
post #2577 of 6832
My local Chicago land dealer just got the Performa3's on the floor. They also haveStudio2's. To bad my dealer is 1 hour away so I'm not sure when I can get there next. Anyone else find them in the wild?
post #2578 of 6832
come one...anyone heard the frickin performa3's yet?
post #2579 of 6832
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Originally Posted by truwarrior22 View Post

My local Chicago land dealer just got the Performa3's on the floor. They also haveStudio2's. To bad my dealer is 1 hour away so I'm not sure when I can get there next. Anyone else find them in the wild?

Just got a text from my dealer that he got in the Perform3 line today. He says they all sound very good out of the box, should sound really good in a week or so. I plan to take a listen next week.
post #2580 of 6832
Quick question guys in the sub2k bookshelf category what what have any of your compared the M22 to??? This is mainly for music. I'm looking at the Dynaaudio focus 140 and the Energy 2.2i's along with the M22 anyone has been able to compare these speakers for music???
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