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post #2611 of 6804
Thanks guys.
I shouldn't be posting again with my impressions as the NFL playoffs are sucking my limited weekend time but the more I listen the more I like.
I'm a hi-res devotee, but my cds are sounding unreal.
Listened into the early morning and yeah, the Revel team has produced an amazing speaker.
As KR said ,what's not to like?
Putting this into prospective, if everything I bought delivered beyond my expectations like these speakers I'd be in Nirvana.

schroedk, as far as speakers, yes, any upgradeitis has been cured.
post #2612 of 6804
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Originally Posted by bthrb4u View Post

well guys i was suppose to be on my way now to go audition the performa3's but i had to cancel because my audio buddy could not make it because he got called into work last night. Setting another appointment up for friday.

Looking forward to your impressions. If you could manage to sneak in a few photographs (especially of the monitors and centers) it would be greatly appreciated. It's difficult to judge their true appearance by the low res (rendered?) images on the Revel site, and my dealer isn't currently planning on bringing any demo units in.
post #2613 of 6804
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by arnyk View Post


Hold those thoughts. The other posts about 4 ohm speakers drawing twice the current are true only in certain circumstances.

(1) Anps in general can't produce twice as much wattage into 4 ohm loads than 8 ohm loads is because their power supply regulation is not perfect and their internal losses are not zero. Usually the power actually deliverable into a 4 ohm load is about 40-50% greater. There are some high end amps that are rated to deliver twice the power but if you put them on the test bench you find out that the ratings picture was obtained by underrating the amp at 8 ohms.

Yes, this. It is important to realize this chicanery when making a move from 8 to 4 ohm speakers. You may find that an expected power advantage is not obtained. This is where test reports are very useful.
post #2614 of 6804
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Originally Posted by laulau View Post

Looking forward to your impressions. If you could manage to sneak in a few photographs (especially of the monitors and centers) it would be greatly appreciated. It's difficult to judge their true appearance by the low res (rendered?) images on the Revel site, and my dealer isn't currently planning on bringing any demo units in.
I just saw them today. I assure you they look stunning in Piano Black. wink.gif
post #2615 of 6804
I just got my F208 pair in Piano Black . I could take pictures but I am brand new to this site and not sure how to load them.

I found out that there was a big difference between the previous Performas and the Ultimas but that Revel upgraded the Performa 3's in a big way and that there is now a much smaller gap in performance . This makes the Performa 3's and outstanding buy for the money and that is why I jumped on it and purchased them.
My F208's look fantastic and sound fantastic.

I have not put them thru my full test yet but I have already received comments from friends and Family on how awesome they sound. I will report back with more info soon.

I had a really hard time deciding which Finish to get, they all look great. Revel says the Finishes they use ar higher quality than Car Finishes. I have a Black Mercedes E350 and I would agree that my F208's are certainly on par with my cars finish.

I have BG 520i and BG 220 Center and Rythmic HV15HP Sub which are all black and Silver so that is why I went with the Revel F208 Piano Black but the Wood and White Finish are awesome looking and it made my decision very difficult.

If you know what kind of Finish you like in Color etc., you will not be dissapointed with your choice. I really think Revel wants to make a statement with this line and I think they will. These are my first from Revel and I am very impressed.

AK
post #2616 of 6804
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Originally Posted by akast27 View Post

I just got my F208 pair in Piano Black . I could take pictures but I am brand new to this site and not sure how to load them.
I found out that there was a big difference between the previous Performas and the Ultimas but that Revel upgraded the Performa 3's in a big way and that there is now a much smaller gap in performance . This makes the Performa 3's and outstanding buy for the money and that is why I jumped on it and purchased them.
My F208's look fantastic and sound fantastic.
I have not put them thru my full test yet but I have already received comments from friends and Family on how awesome they sound. I will report back with more info soon.
I had a really hard time deciding which Finish to get, they all look great. Revel says the Finishes they use ar higher quality than Car Finishes. I have a Black Mercedes E350 and I would agree that my F208's are certainly on par with my cars finish.
I have BG 520i and BG 220 Center and Rythmic HV15HP Sub which are all black and Silver so that is why I went with the Revel F208 Piano Black but the Wood and White Finish are awesome looking and it made my decision very difficult.
If you know what kind of Finish you like in Color etc., you will not be dissapointed with your choice. I really think Revel wants to make a statement with this line and I think they will. These are my first from Revel and I am very impressed.
AK

Did you demo them before you bought them? Happen to compair the F208 to the F206? If you have a youtube account and a smart phone, you can easly upload a video of them to youtube then post the link cool.gif
post #2617 of 6804
i will definitely be going with the wood grain. I figure i'm going to take full advantage of the fact that a fine italian furniture maker designed the finish. Not busting the black, i'm sure it really is a good looking black.
Also, a few days ago when i planned on going my wife gave me the "OK" to take her camera. It has 1080p video too so hopefully the store owner allows me to take pictures and video. He does have the full set there.
post #2618 of 6804
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Originally Posted by bthrb4u View Post

i will definitely be going with the wood grain. I figure i'm going to take full advantage of the fact that a fine italian furniture maker designed the finish. Not busting the black, i'm sure it really is a good looking black.
Also, a few days ago when i planned on going my wife gave me the "OK" to take her camera. It has 1080p video too so hopefully the store owner allows me to take pictures and video. He does have the full set there.

That's an easy on then, if your wife isn't going just say you need some pictures, etc to show your wife. They should understand if they want your business smile.gif
post #2619 of 6804
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Originally Posted by akast27 View Post

I just got my F208 pair in Piano Black . I could take pictures but I am brand new to this site and not sure how to load them.
I found out that there was a big difference between the previous Performas and the Ultimas but that Revel upgraded the Performa 3's in a big way and that there is now a much smaller gap in performance . This makes the Performa 3's and outstanding buy for the money and that is why I jumped on it and purchased them.
My F208's look fantastic and sound fantastic.

I have BG 520i and BG 220 Center and Rythmic HV15HP Sub which are all black and Silver so that is why I went with the Revel F208 Piano Black but the Wood and White Finish are awesome looking and it made my decision very difficult.
If you know what kind of Finish you like in Color etc., you will not be dissapointed with your choice. I really think Revel wants to make a statement with this line and I think they will. These are my first from Revel and I am very impressed.
AK

Congrats on your F208s! I had a chance to listen to the F206 and F208 along w the Ultima and yes the F208s were very very good. The gap btw the Ultima and F208 was clearly there but yes to some its not worth the difference to jump to the next level. But I don't think making the jump is a mistake either. All depends on your budget and critical level of listening. Listening to them side by side was very interesting.

The F206 vs F208 is an interesting decision. You can get the F206 / C205 and save 500 vs the F208 or get F206 / C208 for $500 more. Obviously the F208 /C208 is the best combo but it'll be interesting on which combo people choose because the choice to mix and match is in the picture now. Versus the old performas where they didn't match.

If music is your thing and you don't have a JL sub or don't like to use a sub then the F208s are prolly your best bet. The better bass and greater dynamics is worth the $1500 difference. I personally think the looks alone are worth the difference. The F206 is the same size as your "regular" towers vs the F208 that sits shoulder to shoulder with the Ultima and looks like a reference level speaker.

The F206s are not shabby though. The bass and dynamics still are shockingly good. And they while smaller still looks very nice w the same great finish. These are not B&W 800 series level finishes but there is a huge price difference so who cares.

I personally like the walnut wood finish better because the speaker looks more luxurious, but the piano black will undoubtedly be more popular as it is more neutral. Not sure yet on which one I'm getting. Both the model and color are up in the air.
post #2620 of 6804
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Originally Posted by lsdec View Post

I personally like the walnut wood finish better because the speaker looks more luxurious, but the piano black will undoubtedly be more popular as it is more neutral. Not sure yet on which one I'm getting. Both the model and color are up in the air.

The gloss black would be the easy decision for me as it would match the majority of my environment, but the gloss walnut might also fit in nicely judging from the so-so images that I've seen. That's why I'm hoping to see some higher quality pictures before I have to make my decision. And I agree, the walnut finish seems to add a little something extra to the speakers. Hopefully bthrb4u and akast27 will be able to post up some pictures shortly (much thanks).
post #2621 of 6804
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Originally Posted by lsdec View Post

Congrats on your F208s! I had a chance to listen to the F206 and F208 along w the Ultima and yes the F208s were very very good. The gap btw the Ultima and F208 was clearly there but yes to some its not worth the difference to jump to the next level. But I don't think making the jump is a mistake either. All depends on your budget and critical level of listening. Listening to them side by side was very interesting.
The F206 vs F208 is an interesting decision. You can get the F206 / C205 and save 500 vs the F208 or get F206 / C208 for $500 more. Obviously the F208 /C208 is the best combo but it'll be interesting on which combo people choose because the choice to mix and match is in the picture now. Versus the old performas where they didn't match.
If music is your thing and you don't have a JL sub or don't like to use a sub then the F208s are prolly your best bet. The better bass and greater dynamics is worth the $1500 difference. I personally think the looks alone are worth the difference. The F206 is the same size as your "regular" towers vs the F208 that sits shoulder to shoulder with the Ultima and looks like a reference level speaker.
The F206s are not shabby though. The bass and dynamics still are shockingly good. And they while smaller still looks very nice w the same great finish. These are not B&W 800 series level finishes but there is a huge price difference so who cares.
I personally like the walnut wood finish better because the speaker looks more luxurious, but the piano black will undoubtedly be more popular as it is more neutral. Not sure yet on which one I'm getting. Both the model and color are up in the air.

Isdec,

Did you notice any specific differences between the Ultiam and the F208? Did they have similair timber just lack the lowest notes? I would assume the soundstage must have been a bit difference between the two. What differences did you notice in the highs? Just curious to see if I have the same finding when I go to demo the F208 vs Studio2 within the next couple months.
post #2622 of 6804
I had the oportunity to buy a used F30 a while ago, but it was with the wood finish, and because of this i skipped. I dont know how many of you have a home theater, and how dark it is, but my room has dark brown walls, and I'm currently trying to make a velvet curtain system to improve my contrast. In a scenerio like this, I think anything other than the black is a no go. Even the gloss black finish makes me a bit scared, regarding reflections...

I would be very happy, if the gap between the Ultima and Performa were closer. By the way, as I see, the F206 is exactly ( give or take a centimeter) the same size as my F12's, which is a good thing, because I'm very restrained in my room because of the width of my 100" diagonal Stewart screen. My door is next to the front left speaker, and you have to be really skinny to get past the loudspeaker if it is in his right place not to stand in front of the screen.

The F208 is 5 cm wider, and 3-4 cm deeper, while 12 cm taller, it could be that I'm forced to get the F206.

Anyway, as I see, the tweeter and the midrange is the same, the crossover frequencies are basicly the same (275 vs 270 and 2150 vs 2200 Hz), the woofers are smaller in the F206, but I'm crossing at 80-100 Hz (depending on my setup) anyway, the rest goes to my Velodyne digital drive 15, and the smaller ones in th F206 may be even faster than the 8". According to these, the F206 might be best choice for me, at least until I can afford an Ultima :P

By the way, have you seen the Rhythm 2 introduced yesterday?! smile.gif A 10 grand Ultima2 sub, it is unbelievable... 2000W, 18", 177 Pounds, full digital Room EQ.
Edited by Gugu_s - 1/9/13 at 1:49am
post #2623 of 6804
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Originally Posted by truwarrior22 View Post

Isdec,
Did you notice any specific differences between the Ultiam and the F208? Did they have similair timber just lack the lowest notes? I would assume the soundstage must have been a bit difference between the two. What differences did you notice in the highs? Just curious to see if I have the same finding when I go to demo the F208 vs Studio2 within the next couple months.

First, I can understand why Revel scrapped the F308. It's bass and dynamics would have exceeded the Studio bc the F208 is close in this regard. In fact, it's close in all regards but the Studios are better in every regard. Highs, mids, lows, imaging. But the f208s look and sound like true high end speakers and its very good in every regard. The studios are excellent in every regard comparatively.

It's always interesting going from the worse to the better speakers and back on a A/B test. It's when you go back is when you really appreciate the better speaker.

I personally won't listen to the ultimas again or any setup better than my modest setup once I get the F206 or F208. I won't beat myself up or have upgraditis. Ignorance is bliss!

As far as the walnut finish is concerned, if you like dark wood...it looks amazing in person. Those pics on the revel website look horrible.
post #2624 of 6804
isdec you just laid down some advice on what type of "wood" looks amazing in person to you lol jk
post #2625 of 6804
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Originally Posted by bthrb4u View Post

isdec you just laid down some advice on what type of "wood" looks amazing in person to you lol jk
lsdec likes his wood smooth, with a great finish...no matter what color it is. eek.gifcool.giftongue.gif
post #2626 of 6804
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Originally Posted by Esox50 View Post

I just saw them today. I assure you they look stunning in Piano Black. wink.gif

Where did you see them at? I'm in IL too.. cool.gif
post #2627 of 6804
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Originally Posted by lsdec View Post

First, I can understand why Revel scrapped the F308. It's bass and dynamics would have exceeded the Studio.

Isdec,

I agree with you. I have believed this from the moment they cancelled it.

As a Revel dealer, I ordered the entire Performa3 series as part of a Harman promotional demo offer. The F208, F206 and C208 are on backorder for 3-4 weeks right now.

I put the M106 bookshelf units (one 6.5" woofer) side by side with my Sudio2s and listened for several hours. Very impressive. The aluminum midrange and tweeter is a major success. I have a pair of Velodyne 15DD+ subs so tried them with 0, 1 and both subs in line. My room is 16'Wx32'Lx12'H, somewhat large by audiophile standards. My initial impressions compared to the Studio2s:

1) Sonic signature is very close.
2) With just one sub in place, this combination threw the same size soundstage up to moderately high listening levels.
3) Dynamics are equal.up to moderately high listening levels. Above that, the Studio2s rule. This difference will lessem, maybe disappear with the F208s or even the F206s.
4) Transaparancy is 90% of the way there. Female vocals thru the Studio2s are as natural as I have heard.

I have the M106s propped up on folding chairs at less than optimum height. They are not room calibrated as are the Studio2s. When the F208s come in, I will calibrate them for max performance and publish the results.

The F308s would have been a smokin' deal. Perhaps they will launch this model in the future when they upgrade the Ultima series.

Dennis
post #2628 of 6804
I forgot to mention that full range, without a subwoofer, the M106s have all of the dynamic and soundstage limitations of any bookshelf speaker.

Dennis
post #2629 of 6804
Not sure if anyone saw the CES picture of the Revel Rhythm 2 Subwoofer, but WOW.
http://www.hometheater.com/content/revels-got-rhythm

There was another, earlier picture of Kevin Voecks sitting next to the sub. It's immense--18" woofer.

Looks like an incredible complement to the Ultima2 series.
post #2630 of 6804
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Originally Posted by lsdec View Post

If music is your thing and you don't have a JL sub or don't like to use a sub then the F208s are prolly your best bet. The better bass and greater dynamics is worth the $1500 difference.

I don't know - $1500 can buy a lot of excellent subwoofage.

All in all though, I'm liking the comments I'm reading about here. It seems Revel continually raises the bar with each new generation. smile.gif
post #2631 of 6804
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Originally Posted by 65 Electra Glide View Post

I don't know - $1500 can buy a lot of excellent subwoofage.
All in all though, I'm liking the comments I'm reading about here. It seems Revel continually raises the bar with each new generation. smile.gif

^^^^As it should be. With JBL its been backward since the Performance Series and Studio L series. Every series since those two have been something less, instead of better.
post #2632 of 6804
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Originally Posted by 4DHD View Post

^^^^As it should be. With JBL its been backward since the Performance Series and Studio L series. Every series since those two have been something less, instead of better.

Not to mention what's happened to Infinity. Revel seems to be the only Harman speaker brand making forward progress in consumer lines, although I have seen some posts on this very thread where someone liked the older Performa M20 moreso than the Performa2 M22.
post #2633 of 6804
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Originally Posted by 65 Electra Glide View Post

Not to mention what's happened to Infinity. Revel seems to be the only Harman speaker brand making forward progress in consumer lines, although I have seen some posts on this very thread where someone liked the older Performa M20 moreso than the Performa2 M22.

There's been ONE post I've seen about liking the M20 better.
There's also people who prefer powered Advents, there is never any lack of of opinions on a forum.
By and large from what I've read and from what I've heard for myself, Revel advances their product line.
post #2634 of 6804
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Originally Posted by 65 Electra Glide View Post

I don't know - $1500 can buy a lot of excellent subwoofage.

All in all though, I'm liking the comments I'm reading about here. It seems Revel continually raises the bar with each new generation. smile.gif

Yes, it's a very tough choice btw F208 & F206. I'm torn and must go back to listen to them.

The wood jokes were funny by Bevis & Butthead. Lol.
post #2635 of 6804
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Originally Posted by lsdec View Post

Yes, it's a very tough choice btw F208 & F206. I'm torn and must go back to listen to them.

The wood jokes were funny by Bevis & Butthead. Lol.

The F206 is not bi-ampable nor does it have boundary compensation. Only the F208 has that.

I just checked and the F32 had both. Something to consider. Hmm...
post #2636 of 6804
what is boundary compensation
post #2637 of 6804
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Originally Posted by lsdec View Post

The F206 is not bi-ampable nor does it have boundary compensation. Only the F208 has that.

I just checked and the F32 had both. Something to consider. Hmm...

That is a nice feature. I rather adjust at the speaker first before in the AVR/Pre pro.

I'm on the fence with the new Revel's. Not sure if they are worth wild for me to sell by Definitive Technology setup. I actually like the new Definitive drivers and waiting to see if they will be releasing any non powered towers in the future. Since I'm about 90% happy with my current setup, I think I'll have to hold out for Ultima series. Maybe the Ultima 3's, if they ever come out, maybe they will be cheaper as well smile.gif
post #2638 of 6804
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Originally Posted by truwarrior22 View Post

That is a nice feature. I rather adjust at the speaker first before in the AVR/Pre pro.

I'm on the fence with the new Revel's. Not sure if they are worth wild for me to sell by Definitive Technology setup. I actually like the new Definitive drivers and waiting to see if they will be releasing any non powered towers in the future. Since I'm about 90% happy with my current setup, I think I'll have to hold out for Ultima series. Maybe the Ultima 3's, if they ever come out, maybe they will be cheaper as well smile.gif

I can assure you they will be vs any definitives. I have deftechs as well.
post #2639 of 6804
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Originally Posted by bthrb4u View Post

what is boundary compensation

If the speakers are too close to a wall like less than 2 feet, there are controls on the back of the speaker that can lower the bass output thus helping against boomy bass due to room effects. That's the simple explanation.
post #2640 of 6804
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Originally Posted by lsdec View Post

I can assure you they will be vs any definitives. I have deftechs as well.

I have the BP7000SC towers, so it will take a pretty powerful speaker to match the performance, especially for HT. I find myself listening way more to music so that's why I'm looking at Revel's. I don't care to much for low end since I have a 18" sub, but looking for something great from the mid bass to the highs. Could use a little more "sparkle" in the highs then what the Def Tech's have, but thinking only the Ultima's will fullfill that need. I guess I'll find out in the near future when I make a trip to some HT stores. Hopefully this won't be the case due to the price difference between the series lol
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