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post #2911 of 6837
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Originally Posted by 4DHD View Post

With the C208, you made the right choice. With the C205, if they had raised the tweeter above the center of dual the 5", that would have eliminated a big part of my objections. Although, as I noted, I'd like to hear how the 205's rotated WG changes things.

Thanks 4D. LOL! You can't let that C205 go, can you. That's funny stuff.

I know you love Revel - I read your other posts where you put the Performa3 as your wallpaper etc. It's all good.

Yes, the C205 seems a bit off and same w/ having just one set of binding posts for the C205 & F206 too - but I'm sure sonically, they are great. I know the F206 is, because I heard it on 2 separate occasions.
post #2912 of 6837
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Originally Posted by lsdec View Post

The F208 are really really good speakers. Very close to the Studio2 with a better finish at a fraction of the price. I listened to them side by side and also the F208 & F206 side by side.

I only looked at the C205 and the C208 and said, "ok C208 it is". :-)

Be prepared to wait 6 weeks + for them though. I'm pretty annoyed that I have to wait until March (hopefully that'll be it) for speakers ordered in the 2nd week of January.

My patience is running thin... I decided on the gloss black though.

As much as I love my F52 and know the F208 will be just as good or better, I'm thinking that the Be tweeter in the Studio2 will give better clarity in the top end. I still think the Ultima2 floorstanders are dead sexy to boot.

No worries on the wait. I had to wait 6 months for my Phil3s and they came with minor cosmetic damage and not even close to the color I had wanted.
post #2913 of 6837
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Originally Posted by duc135 View Post

I have the Philharmonic 3 (based on your comparison to the Salon2) and can say, if this is the case, I no longer want the Salon2. I currently own the Performa2 F52 and still can't say the Phil3 is better than the F52. I'll concede that the Phil3 has more clear highs and more authoritative bass, but it doesn't give me that warm fuzzy that the F52 does.

I've been playing with placement of both the speakers and acoustic treatments in my room for the last few weeks and still have yet to get the Phil3 to move me the way the F52 does. The highs are clear, but the overall soundstage makes it seem like I'm on the balcony listening to a street performance. This has been remedied by raising the speakers by 5". The soundstage is large and wide, but does not expand outside the physical location of the speakers.

The bass, while more prominent than the F52 at low master volume levels, cause problems at higher volumes. I specifically chose the Phil3 over the Phil2 for the added low end. I was hoping to not have to use my subs when listening to 2 channel music. When running the speakers full range at above average volumes (75+ dB), the bass drivers will bottom out (with a very scary sounding noise) preventing me from turning the volume up anymore. I'm not listening to rap or hip hop either. This is while listening to Alicia Keys. So I have no choice, but to run them small with subs. The F52 had no such problem.

Recently, I let my brother-in-law borrow my F52 to audition them and without any room treatments or testing, I heard the sound of the F52 and they still gave me that warm fuzzy feeling. This is in a room with wood floors, 20' sliding glass doors on the left and a 25' x 3' window on the right. The speakers were tucked in the corners with, at most 10" of space between the front and side walls. There is one rug in the middle of the room, but nothing in front of the speakers themselves and large hard leather sofas.

I am now in the search for possibly replacing my F52s. I am following this thread closely for the consensus on the new F208 or possibly stepping it up to the Studio2s. After all this babbling, I STILL am lusting for the Salon2s.


See my post above. While the Phil3 is a good speaker and I would have loved them had I never heard my Revel F52, I would not say they are close to the Salon2 unless the Salon2 is also not as good as my F52s. I would highly doubt that though. With my F52s I would spend my days literally waiting to get home just to listen to them. This is EVERY day. With the Phil3, not so much. I enjoy listening to them, but I can just as well be online and have the news on in the background. Don't get me wrong. When I do listen to them with my music, they do sound very good, but it's not something I make a point to do for enjoyment. I'm still playing around with placement, amount of fiberfill in the upper cabinet, foam attenuation pads for the RAAL tweeters and my room treatments. Still trying to give the Phil3 a fair shake, but it's not looking good.

I'm probably the only one who hasn't sung high praises for the Phils.

Perhaps sell the Phils, redeploy the F52s, and then get Salons or Studios? Tough to hear of someone moving speakers that impress him as much as the F52s work for you. Might you also consider auditioning the Ultimas while you still have the Performas, lest you perhaps even prefer your current set?
post #2914 of 6837
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Originally Posted by duc135 View Post

As much as I love my F52 and know the F208 will be just as good or better, I'm thinking that the Be tweeter in the Studio2 will give better clarity in the top end. I still think the Ultima2 floorstanders are dead sexy to boot.

No worries on the wait. I had to wait 6 months for my Phil3s and they came with minor cosmetic damage and not even close to the color I had wanted.

Yes make no mistake. The studio2s top end, mid-range, bass (tightness), maybe imaging was all better than the F208. The dynamics was a toss up and so was the deep bass. And it better be bc that's how it seems Revel designed it. And once I get the F208s home, I won't be a/b'ing it with the studio2s.

It was nice to see the F208 right next to the Studio2s where they looked like they were peers. That made the decision to go w performa3s pretty easy. Choosing btw F206 and F208 took some time though bc they were close.
post #2915 of 6837
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Originally Posted by howaboutthat41 View Post

Perhaps sell the Phils, redeploy the F52s, and then get Salons or Studios? Tough to hear of someone moving speakers that impress him as much as the F52s work for you. Might you also consider auditioning the Ultimas while you still have the Performas, lest you perhaps even prefer your current set?

If someone prefers the F52 or the F208 over the Studio2s, they are delusional.

Now, it may not be worth it to go up to the studio2s or out of reach, etc., but actually preferring it? No way. I just wanted to give a quick sanity to check smile.gif
post #2916 of 6837
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Originally Posted by lsdec View Post

Thanks 4D. LOL! You can't let that C205 go, can you. That's funny stuff.

I know you love Revel - I read your other posts where you put the Performa3 as your wallpaper etc. It's all good.

Yes, the C205 seems a bit off and same w/ having just one set of binding posts for the C205 & F206 too - but I'm sure sonically, they are great. I know the F206 is, because I heard it on 2 separate occasions.

Having two binding posts is never needed. That's a marketing gimmick, unless someone is going to run an active XO.
And then the internal XO needs to go. Having two sets of binding posts is akin with some JBLs having an ultra tweeter (20K~45Khz). Totally not necessary.
post #2917 of 6837
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Originally Posted by 4DHD View Post

Having two binding posts is never needed. That's a marketing gimmick, unless someone is going to run an active XO.
And then the internal XO needs to go. Having two sets of binding posts is akin with some JBLs having an ultra tweeter (20K~45Khz). Totally not necessary.



Unless you want to freak out your pets!
post #2918 of 6837
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Originally Posted by howaboutthat41 View Post

Unless you want to freak out your pets!
Or a new born infant. I read somewhere that new borns can hear over 20Khz.
post #2919 of 6837
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Originally Posted by howaboutthat41 View Post

Perhaps sell the Phils, redeploy the F52s, and then get Salons or Studios? Tough to hear of someone moving speakers that impress him as much as the F52s work for you. Might you also consider auditioning the Ultimas while you still have the Performas, lest you perhaps even prefer your current set?

I still haven't made up my mind on which speakers to sell to fund my next pair yet. I'm still trying to eak out the most from the Phil3 via placement and room treatments. Once I've got it dialed in the best I can then I'll give it a few weeks of listening before I decide. I already have a buyer lined up for my F52s should I decide to sell them.

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Originally Posted by lsdec View Post

Yes make no mistake. The studio2s top end, mid-range, bass (tightness), maybe imaging was all better than the F208. The dynamics was a toss up and so was the deep bass. And it better be bc that's how it seems Revel designed it. And once I get the F208s home, I won't be a/b'ing it with the studio2s.

It was nice to see the F208 right next to the Studio2s where they looked like they were peers. That made the decision to go w performa3s pretty easy. Choosing btw F206 and F208 took some time though bc they were close.

Yea, that's what I was hoping and expecting. The Studio2 should give me more clarity up top and that's what I'm looking for. Working on possibly getting a bro deal no the Revels so I'll see what the price difference between the F208 and Studio2 will be. If I can swing for the Studios that's what I'll be getting. If I get the Studios, the pair I end up with will go to my bedroom setup. Just got a smoking deal (to me at least) on a new Denon 4311 receiver. Will head to the store to pick it up after work.
post #2920 of 6837
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Originally Posted by bthrb4u View Post

I might have a little to much time on my hands lol. But actually, the reasoning behind me trying to take some of the heat was because if someone were to get on me about something it would have been miniscule compared to the argument that was going on here between a person i find to be pretty awesome to read his comments and someone who i find to be quite a troll himself who is obsessed with hearing himself talk and over analyzes other people conversations and turns it into a big debate because someone had an opinion. Guess he's never heard of reasoning. Hate to see what his love life is like lol. No names mentioned.
Or people who drink, admit they drink, and post nonsense that makes no sense. So much so that PMs have been sent around asking what was wrong with said person. No names mentioned. smile.gif
post #2921 of 6837
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Originally Posted by duc135 View Post

I had to wait 6 months for my Phil3s and they came with minor cosmetic damage and not even close to the color I had wanted.

A few disadvantages with ID companies. I bet you will probably never buy another ID brand speaker. biggrin.gif
post #2922 of 6837
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

A few disadvantages with ID companies. I bet you will probably never buy another ID brand speaker. biggrin.gif

I wouldn't discount them out yet. I still have faith in ID companies. I know it probably sounded like I was bashing on Dennis and his Philharmonic series speakers, but I'm not. I'm a VERY anal person when it comes to details so I may be a bit harsh in my critiques about fit and finish. This is why I do all the renovations in my house as well as perform maintenance on my own bikes (the non-motorized kind). Dennis did tell me that the lead time was going to be over 3 months so I knew I was in for a wait. Had I never had the pleasure of experiencing the Revel F52, I would probably be gushing all over the Phil3 as I do now with my F52.

Could also be that all the high praise I read for the speakers built up a higher than usual expectation from me. It happens to me with movies as well. If I watch a movie that has really good reviews, I usually end up thinking it was merely ok after watching it. On the other hand, when I go watch a movie with mediocre reviews, I usually end up liking it much more since my expectations were so low.

One experience will not make me jaded against all others in the same industry. I actually do like the speakers and would recommend them to others if the conditions were right. I don't know of any other speaker in that price range that sound as good as the Phils.
post #2923 of 6837
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Originally Posted by duc135 View Post

I wouldn't discount them out yet. I still have faith in ID companies. I know it probably sounded like I was bashing on Dennis and his Philharmonic series speakers, but I'm not. I'm a VERY anal person when it comes to details so I may be a bit harsh in my critiques about fit and finish. This is why I do all the renovations in my house as well as perform maintenance on my own bikes (the non-motorized kind). Dennis did tell me that the lead time was going to be over 3 months so I knew I was in for a wait. Had I never had the pleasure of experiencing the Revel F52, I would probably be gushing all over the Phil3 as I do now with my F52.

Could also be that all the high praise I read for the speakers built up a higher than usual expectation from me. It happens to me with movies as well. If I watch a movie that has really good reviews, I usually end up thinking it was merely ok after watching it. On the other hand, when I go watch a movie with mediocre reviews, I usually end up liking it much more since my expectations were so low.

One experience will not make me jaded against all others in the same industry. I actually do like the speakers and would recommend them to others if the conditions were right. I don't know of any other speaker in that price range that sound as good as the Phils.

Well, I have the Salon2, B&W 802D2, Linkwitz Orion3, & KEF Reference 201/2. And I think my Phil3 can dance with any of them just fine. You won't see me say they're equals any time soon, but I think my Phil3 hold their own in my room & for me.

Some guys who have been to my house tell me my Salon2 & 802D2 sound "much" better than my Phil3 during unblinded comparisons. It seems like you feel the same as they do. But I feel differently. biggrin.gif

Perhaps you need to find a way to do a blinded comparison between the F52 vs Phil3. biggrin.gif
post #2924 of 6837
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Well, I have the Salon2, B&W 802D2, Linkwitz Orion3, & KEF Reference 201/2. And I think my Phil3 can dance with any of them just fine. You won't see me say they're equals any time soon, but I think my Phil3 hold their own in my room & for me.

Some guys who have been to my house tell me my Salon2 & 802D2 sound "much" better than my Phil3 during unblinded comparisons. It seems like you feel the same as they do. But I feel differently. biggrin.gif

Perhaps you need to find a way to do a blinded comparison between the F52 vs Phil3. biggrin.gif

If I may, I understand the concept of blind evaluation. But if you're shopping for speakers, the one component in a system that makes the biggest audible difference why blind test? Who cares which you chose as long as you don't roll out a speaker you're unable to afford.
post #2925 of 6837
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Originally Posted by duc135 View Post

I am now in the search for possibly replacing my F52s. I am following this thread closely for the consensus on the new F208 or possibly stepping it up to the Studio2s. After all this babbling, I STILL am lusting for the Salon2s.

The Salon2 is every bit worth lusting after. I've auditioned many competitors in the price range, (e.g. B&W 800D, Dynaudio Sapphire, Wilson Sophia) and the Salon2 was so far above the others that it was the easiest speaker decision I've ever had. Since then, I have listened to dozens of high end speakers in passing at shows, from the likes of Giya, Focal, Rockport, etc, and almost none of them impress me anymore. The only ones I thought were a competitor to the Salon2 were the JBL Everest and TAD Reference One. And of course, the Studio2. I'm pretty doubtful that I can order those 2 correctly in a blind test, or even tell them apart, and I've had them both but in different rooms.

Like you, I still look forward to coming home every day and listening to my Salon2.
post #2926 of 6837
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Originally Posted by duc135 View Post

I wouldn't discount them out yet. I still have faith in ID companies.

ID companies are great for certain items. ID direct speaker mfg's make it difficult to audition their product, although the Salk guys are in a different class. Log on to AudioCircle and ask around and within an hour you should find someone who will offer a beer and a chair to listen to their Salks in their home.

I owned Song Towers w/ ribbon tweeters, they were perfect for me at the time I owned them.

When discussing speakers there is an economy of scale that is inherent with large mfg's that mass produce speakers, like Revel. I also owned F32's then Studio 2's. IMO the Studio 2's are the best speaker I have owned, just damn good. But too large for my listening attic (dedicated audio room).
post #2927 of 6837
Or what? Ns. Carry on if you must about how I ONE time was drinking and felt the need to mention my lack of understanding of why someone could like a speaker that sounded the way it did and about how I felt some people on this site probably aren't as smart as they think they are and the credibility they think they have because they post a lot is ignorant. I guess i was just looking for someone to talk to who shared the same experience with me so i kept bringing it up.
Who are some of you people anways. Why are you still on this website lol. No offense to all of you as some of you actually help people out. That what. my intentions are anyways.
At least my wrong was while I was drinking one time unlike a repetitive and predictable someone else.
post #2928 of 6837
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Originally Posted by 4DHD View Post

Having two binding posts is never needed. That's a marketing gimmick, unless someone is going to run an active XO.
And then the internal XO needs to go. Having two sets of binding posts is akin with some JBLs having an ultra tweeter (20K~45Khz). Totally not necessary.

Yes. I do know all this but nevertheless on speakers retailing at $3500/pair, they should be there.
post #2929 of 6837
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Originally Posted by lsdec View Post

Yes. I do know all this but nevertheless on speakers retailing at $3500/pair, they should be there.

I would rather have the money put into something useful, like biased crossovers.
post #2930 of 6837
how long do those batteries last before needing to be replaced?
post #2931 of 6837
duc135, a question about your disatisfaction with the finish etc., on the Philharmonics.
Did you ever contact Dennis about it?
I understand that ding etc., may not be worth the hassle but I'm sure he would have made some sort of accommodation.
Just curious as Dennis is a good guy.

It also sounds to me that you maybe selling the "wrong" speakers as it were

In any event, regarding the comparisons being made between all of the above speakers.
As much as I've lambasted certain reviewers over the years, there are a handful that I follow, respect and generally find that my taste, values and listening methods, etc., coincide with.

I was unable to hear Studio2s prior to buying them but had heard their predecessors and other speakers in the Revel line over the years and really liked how they reproduced recorded music.
I read all of the Kal Rubinson, John Atkinson & Fred Kaplan's Revel reviews several times over and the reviews on Secrets, Home Theater, Home Theater Review(meh) and all of the other sites that have reviewed Revel speakers.

As much as I've come to agree with many them, no one nailed it so precisely for me as Robert Harley on TAS.
I'd love to post the relevant passage but if you're interested, the review is easy enough to find.
Although he is reviewing the Salon2, over the month I've had the Studios, I've had the exact same experience.

In a nutshell, he states how he is always fascinated by how certain recorded musical nuances are revealed by certain components.
I've been re-listening to discs that I've heard inumerable times over the years with different systems and simply put, the Studios bring out the absolute best in every recording I've auditioned.
A lot of speakers these days have a ruthless quality about them. It's like the playback system is better than the recording and makes it apparent in no uncertain terms.
The combo I have now, I feel brings out the musical best in what I'm hearing without fatigue, grain or glare.
While each recording has it's own signature, some are expansive, others no so much, so far they've all had one thing in common they put a huge smile on my face and mental immersion into the music.
It sounds like real people singing and playing real instruments. The detail is astounding while remaining in context with the whole.

I would venture to say the the one arena where the Salons would exihibit a definite advantage over the Studios would be large symphonic pieces played at a dynamic level.
I honestly have nothing negative to say about these speakers but then again I haven't A\B'd them against my other speakers and I really have no need to at the moment.

Someone earlier mentioned that their Revels gave them the warm and fuzzy.
I know exactly what you mean.
post #2932 of 6837
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Originally Posted by 4DHD View Post

I would rather have the money put into something useful, like biased crossovers.

Of course you would. I am not getting the F206 anyway.

I don't really care what Revel does, I'm not a fanboy. Just stating what I thought should have been there and played a very minute part in me deciding to go with the F208.

I almost think they did it on purpose to steer buyers to the F208 but whatever. Either way, I couldn't care less. Just like I couldn't care less about the C205 MTM design and have zero curiosity on how the rotated waveguide sounds like. Etc etc.

And I don't care about any future Revel releases or what they have in the "works". I'm sure Ultima2 owners itching for an upgrade does and of course they should along with anyone else who is looking for an upgrade.

I just want to make it clear, I'm not interested in going back and forth on these nerdy topics.
post #2933 of 6837
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Originally Posted by bthrb4u View Post

how long do those batteries last before needing to be replaced?
If you're referring to battery in a biased circuit, the shelf life of the battery. Being there is a 2megΩ resistor between the circuit and battery.

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Originally Posted by lsdec 
And I don't care about any future Revel releases or what they have in the "works". I'm sure Ultima2 owners itching for an upgrade does and of course they should along with anyone else who is looking for an upgrade.

As for myself, I've never had upgradeitis, at least not for speakers. I ran the same speakers for 25 years, before I built the customs based on the same design. And then bought 5 PT800s as I fell into a deal too good to pass up.
And if I had the Salon2 or Studio2 I could not care less about the next generation.
post #2934 of 6837
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Originally Posted by neutralguy View Post

The Salon2 is every bit worth lusting after. I've auditioned many competitors in the price range, (e.g. B&W 800D, Dynaudio Sapphire, Wilson Sophia) and the Salon2 was so far above the others that it was the easiest speaker decision I've ever had. Since then, I have listened to dozens of high end speakers in passing at shows, from the likes of Giya, Focal, Rockport, etc, and almost none of them impress me anymore. The only ones I thought were a competitor to the Salon2 were the JBL Everest and TAD Reference One. And of course, the Studio2. I'm pretty doubtful that I can order those 2 correctly in a blind test, or even tell them apart, and I've had them both but in different rooms.

Like you, I still look forward to coming home every day and listening to my Salon2.

I agree that once you achieve this level of greatness (Salon2, Studio2, KEF Blade, TAD R1, Everest, etc), it's really impossible to beat it.

But other speakers may still come "close" or "close enough". The question is how close? And that is a very subjective topic. biggrin.gif
post #2935 of 6837
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

I agree that once you achieve this level of greatness (Salon2, Studio2, KEF Blade, TAD R1, Everest, etc), it's really impossible to beat it.

But other speakers may still come "close" or "close enough". The question is how close? And that is a very subjective topic. biggrin.gif
And the greatness depends on the setup, as in getting it right.
I can give 2 exact opposites when it came to setups. The first was an audition of the Salon2 in SF, in a word...Perfect.
The second was in Fukuoka, Japan. An audition of the Everest II, in one word...BAD. It was really a disgrace. $60,000 worth of speakers set up in a room that more resembled a storage room than a high end audition room.
I always thought the Japanese had a lot more class than that. And the other room where they had B&W MC setup was no better.
post #2936 of 6837
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

duc135, a question about your disatisfaction with the finish etc., on the Philharmonics.
Did you ever contact Dennis about it?
I understand that ding etc., may not be worth the hassle but I'm sure he would have made some sort of accommodation.
Just curious as Dennis is a good guy.

No, I've never contacted him about it. I know he's an upstanding person from what I've read on the threads. It sounds like he's not making a killing on the speakers so I just let it go. So many people are happy with it so I'll do whatever I can to enable him to continue making his speakers available for others to enjoy. That being said, in my last email conversation with him he sounded a bit short with me when I asked him about some clarification of installation procedures. I was reading his instructions he sent in an attachment, but forgot that he had also included separate instructions in the body of the email itself. The instructions arrived long before the speakers did so I forgot about that part. I just opened the attachment and missed the rest of it. That was mostly my fault though so I have nothing against him for that other than his tone seemed to change once the speakers were delivered.
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It also sounds to me that you maybe selling the "wrong" speakers as it were.

Possibly. I'm still willing to give the Phil3s the best chance possible to win me over. I have MUCH more calibration testing to go and listening sessions after that to make a definitive conclusion. Not only that, but I already have a definitive buyer for the F52 lined up that will give me what I paid for them new. Just spoke with him over the weekend and he still wants mine badly. Another bonus is that he is local so I don't have to worry about shipping those beasts. I think the Revel brand will also be an easier sell than the Phils. Not only that, I can get more for the F52 than I can for the Phil3. Either way, if I can swing the Studio2 I'll be a happy camper. I'm still happy with the Phil3s, don't get me wrong. They are still a tremendous speaker for the money.
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

Someone earlier mentioned that their Revels gave them the warm and fuzzy.
I know exactly what you mean.

That would be me. Just thinking about them does that.
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

As much as I've lambasted certain reviewers over the years, there are a handful that I follow, respect and generally find that my taste, values and listening methods, etc., coincide with.

I was unable to hear Studio2s prior to buying them but had heard their predecessors and other speakers in the Revel line over the years and really liked how they reproduced recorded music.
I read all of the Kal Rubinson, John Atkinson & Fred Kaplan's Revel reviews several times over and the reviews on Secrets, Home Theater, Home Theater Review(meh) and all of the other sites that have reviewed Revel speakers.

As much as I've come to agree with many them, no one nailed it so precisely for me as Robert Harley on TAS.
I'd love to post the relevant passage but if you're interested, the review is easy enough to find.
Although he is reviewing the Salon2, over the month I've had the Studios, I've had the exact same experience.

In a nutshell, he states how he is always fascinated by how certain recorded musical nuances are revealed by certain components.
I've been re-listening to discs that I've heard inumerable times over the years with different systems and simply put, the Studios bring out the absolute best in every recording I've auditioned.
A lot of speakers these days have a ruthless quality about them. It's like the playback system is better than the recording and makes it apparent in no uncertain terms.
The combo I have now, I feel brings out the musical best in what I'm hearing without fatigue, grain or glare.
While each recording has it's own signature, some are expansive, others no so much, so far they've all had one thing in common they put a huge smile on my face and mental immersion into the music.
It sounds like real people singing and playing real instruments. The detail is astounding while remaining in context with the whole.

This to me is where my F52 is a double edged sword. It makes good recordings sound great, but bad records sound horrible. A lot of my music are older and are not very good recordings. These are legal store bought CDs, not MP3s I've downloaded. I can't seem to enjoy them much on my system. I usually just rip them to my MP3 player and listen to them through a decent pair of headphones in order to be able to enjoy them.

Enough about me and my issues though. Thanks to all for your input. Lets get back to talking about Revel speakers and looking at people's setups. I needs me some Revel pron.
post #2937 of 6837
Looks like you need a reboot in a few years. Sell those F52s right away to that guy and lock that down - because once the F208s are widespread....you know what I'm getting at. Then keep the Phi3 until Studio3 comes out and upgrade at that point.

If it's like the Performa3, Studio3 may retail for less than the Studio2.

Or upgrade to Studio2 now if you can swing it etc. etc. lots of options but the key is unloading the F52s.
post #2938 of 6837
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Originally Posted by duc135 View Post

I think the Revel brand will also be an easier sell than the Phils. Not only that, I can get more for the F52 than I can for the Phil3.

I think most B&M brands like Revel, KEF, B&W, etc, will be an easier sell than most ID brands.

The F52 retail for like $7K/pr & the Phil3 retail for $4K, so you should get more for the F52.
post #2939 of 6837
Hey Revel owners. I am in the process of upgrading my speakers and Revel is one of the 5 or 6 brands I'm considering. I had what seemed like a strange response from Harmon/Revel the other day. I've e-mailed several companies asking for a current MSRP price list. Most of those have responded pretty quickly and one company called to see what line I was most interested in.

The response I received from Harman/Revel was:
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Please contact a local dealer for a quote on the products that you are interested in.

A dealer can be found by using the dealer locator found at our website.

I did that, as well. After calling the first 3 dealers on the list in my area (I live in Houston btw), I got 2 no answers and one disconnected line. I like to take the approach that I've mentioned so I don't get several different dealers thinking they have a hot prospect, and it's much more efficient to have a list to refer to.

My question is this: Is the the type of CS response any of you have experienced? I'm very familiar with Revel and have been impressed whenever I've heard them over the years, so my complaint here is in no way meant to disparege the product. Revel is in the top 3 companies that I am leaning toward. Just curious if this is the CS support I can look forward to? Thanks.
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Is you question about lack of customer support based on your quote or that you can't reach any dealers by phone? The lack of customer support you are getting is solely on the dealers. It has nothing to do with nor is it indicative of Harman Industries' practices. Just like you can't go to the grocery store, buy some Kellog's cereal then blame Kellog if the checkout clerk was rude to you. If you are referring to their response you quoted, I don't know the answer since you didn't tell us what your question to them was. I don't see anything wrong with their response if you were asking them what the prices of their speakers are. Since they don't sell direct, they are referring you to one of their dealers.

I have dealt with their CS to replace a broken driver (I physically damaged the cone) and the person on the phone was VERY professional and accommodating.
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