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post #3001 of 6802
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Awesome! If I remember right your L212's are almost like a big monitor right? I'm 50 and I think I remember adds for these in some of the magazines I used to read. Very expensive. The salon's look amazing but really I would have a hard time giving up what you have.

Just slightly bigger than the PT800/Gem2. In the late '70s retail for the L212 sat/sub was $2K. In comparison the '80s L250/250Ti were $4K/pr. Even if I got a pair of Salons, the PT800s and Customs will still be in use.

originals

customs
post #3002 of 6802
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Originally Posted by 4DHD View Post

Just slightly bigger than the PT800/Gem2. In the late '70s retail for the L212 sat/sub was $2K. In comparison the '80s L250/250Ti were $4K/pr. Even if I got a pair of Salons, the PT800s and Customs will still be in use.

originals

customs


Very cool! I'm thinking if I open my windows and you crank it up I could probably hear it.
post #3003 of 6802
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Originally Posted by MUDCAT45 View Post


Your money is better spent on getting a better sub than playing amp roulette. Amps are basically created =, whereas subs are not.

Amps most certainly are NOT created equal. There are some amps that do sound the same...But when you move up the line into better circuitry, components used in those circuits = big improvement. Better soundstage, more detail, better highs, mids, bass.
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How do the components in an amp, whether cheap or better, affect the soundstage?
post #3005 of 6802
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Very cool! I'm thinking if I open my windows and you crank it up I could probably hear it. You own Revel subs are they worth their price tag?
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I quoted myself oops, I think I'm going blind from looking at too many classifieds. So you like your Revel subs 4DHD?
post #3007 of 6802
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Originally Posted by 4DHD View Post

Amps most certainly are NOT created equal. There are some amps that do sound the same...But when you move up the line into better circuitry, components used in those circuits = big improvement. Better soundstage, more detail, better highs, mids, bass.
We found something you & I 100% agree on! biggrin.gif
post #3008 of 6802
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Originally Posted by beaveav View Post

How do the components in an amp, whether cheap or better, affect the soundstage?

Its NOT any ONE thing that makes one amp better than another...its the total of it all. Things like high bias, no caps/coils in the signal path. Better quality in components/better circuitry = better output. Some amps just provide a more complete soundstage, while other amps provide such a thin soundstage its not worth listening to.
post #3009 of 6802
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Originally Posted by Esox50 View Post

We found something you & I 100% agree on! biggrin.gif

Some things just take time to surface!biggrin.gif
post #3010 of 6802
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

I quoted myself oops, I think I'm going blind from looking at too many classifieds. So you like your Revel subs 4DHD?
Actually they are diy subs. I bought the JBL Pro built SUB1500 drivers, designed by Revel and used in their first sub.
Give them some power and they play down to below 20 htz. We are talking subs that play music!
post #3011 of 6802
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Originally Posted by 4DHD View Post

Its NOT any ONE thing that makes one amp better than another...its the total of it all. Things like high bias, no caps/coils in the signal path. Better quality in components/better circuitry = better output. Some amps just provide a more complete soundstage, while other amps provide such a thin soundstage its not worth listening to.

I'm still not understanding. How does an amp affect soundstage at all? Soundstage is determined by the recording, the speakers & their dispersion, and the room. I don't see how an amp affects it one way or the other. What am I missing?
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Originally Posted by beaveav View Post

I'm still not understanding. How does an amp affect soundstage at all? Soundstage is determined by the recording, the speakers & their dispersion, and the room. I don't see how an amp affects it one way or the other. What am I missing?
I can not give you the tech details, I just know it happens. But one will never know it does happen until one hears it.
And I tend to think I think its more to do with the pre-amp than the power amp.
post #3013 of 6802
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Originally Posted by 4DHD View Post

Amps most certainly are NOT created equal. There are some amps that do sound the same...But when you move up the line into better circuitry, components used in those circuits = big improvement. Better soundstage, more detail, better highs, mids, bass.

Well, everyone thinks differently.

I've heard amps from Mark Levinson, Krell, Bryston, McIntosh, Parasound, Classe, ATI, Crown, Denon, Onkyo, Emotiva, etc, and I can't tell any difference whatsoever in soundstage, image, detail, clarity, resolution, etc. The ONLY difference I noticed was the volume levels as amps have different voltage gains.

So let's just agree that everyone has a different opinion and nothing is FACT when it comes to audio. biggrin.gif

Just like how you & I don't believe in passive bi-amp & tri-amp, while some other people absolutely swear by it as if it were a fact of life. biggrin.gif
post #3014 of 6802
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Well, everyone thinks differently.

I've heard amps from Mark Levinson, Krell, Bryston, McIntosh, Parasound, Classe, ATI, Crown, Denon, Onkyo, Emotiva, etc, and I can't tell any difference whatsoever in soundstage, image, detail, clarity, resolution, etc. The ONLY difference I noticed was the volume levels as amps have different voltage gains.

So let's just agree that everyone has a different opinion and nothing is FACT when it comes to audio. biggrin.gif

Just like how you & I don't believe in passive bi-amp & tri-amp, while some other people absolutely swear by it as if it were a fact of life. biggrin.gif
Please, Don't get AcuDeaf started on the amp thing wink.gif
Zing!
post #3015 of 6802
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Originally Posted by 4DHD View Post

Just slightly bigger than the PT800/Gem2. In the late '70s retail for the L212 sat/sub was $2K. In comparison the '80s L250/250Ti were $4K/pr. Even if I got a pair of Salons, the PT800s and Customs will still be in use.

originals
Those are cool vintage speakers and way ahead of their time.
Notice the other JBL monitors in the background.

Sorry for the OT, but when I was in high school I worked at Nordstrom.
The Brass Plum depts were all outfitted with really nice sound systems.
Big Teac reel-to-reels, Phase Linear pre and power amps and lots of JBL L100 speakers.
The 2 Christmas season I worked there, the Christmas party started at the store.
The store I worked in had a central glass elevator and surrounding stairway so the lower level was partially open to the main floor and mezzazine.
Prior to the party we cranked up that sound system, I think Bang a Gong was going and someone came flying down the stairs yelling that the big 1 inch glass windows on the street level were flexing at an alarming rate.
Makes me smile just to think about it.
Edited by Milt99 - 1/31/13 at 6:54pm
post #3016 of 6802
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

I quoted myself oops, I think I'm going blind from looking at too many classifieds. So you like your Revel subs 4DHD?

While they are nice subs, you can do much better for cheaper.
post #3017 of 6802
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

Please, Don't get AcuDeaf started on the amp thing wink.gif
Zing!

Why............you..............I........Never! biggrin.gif
post #3018 of 6802
I've been following this thread ever since the Performa3's were announced. I want to upgrade my current speakers for improved sound, and my wife just agreed to new speakers to improve the asthetics. Hooray!

I found a dealer this morning with a pair of F208's on the floor, so I went over for a listen. I may have found my dream speaker. Anyway I'be been having a hard time picturing the size of the F208, and I wanted something to show my wife. I had the dealer stand next to one for reference while I snapped a quick pic in the low light. I don't think the guy is over 6'.




BTW- The speakers will be for the two channel system.
post #3019 of 6802
THAT GUY IS HUGE!!!!!!! Those things were intimidating to me but he makes them look like a little polk tower lol
post #3020 of 6802
do the tweeters on the f208-06 sound the same as the bookshelfs?
post #3021 of 6802
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Originally Posted by bthrb4u View Post

do the tweeters on the f208-06 sound the same as the bookshelfs?

They should, as they are the exact same, but perhaps crossed over at a different frequency.
post #3022 of 6802
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Originally Posted by duc135 View Post

While they are nice subs, you can do much better for cheaper.

I agree. Subs from Funk, Seaton, JTR, SVS, HSU, Rythmik have a lot better performance for the money.
post #3023 of 6802
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Well, everyone thinks differently.

I've heard amps from Mark Levinson, Krell, Bryston, McIntosh, Parasound, Classe, ATI, Crown, Denon, Onkyo, Emotiva, etc, and I can't tell any difference whatsoever in soundstage, image, detail, clarity, resolution, etc. The ONLY difference I noticed was the volume levels as amps have different voltage gains.

So let's just agree that everyone has a different opinion and nothing is FACT when it comes to audio. biggrin.gif

Just like how you & I don't believe in passive bi-amp & tri-amp, while some other people absolutely swear by it as if it were a fact of life. biggrin.gif

As I said I think its more to do with the pre-amp, using the same power amp. I can't hear any difference between my Citation and Parasound power amps. Except when I turn off the Citation, takes about 10 seconds for those large caps to discharge. lol
But I can hear a difference between my P7 pre and the pre in the HK AVR.
post #3024 of 6802
One thing I've noticed with the M106s ..... they CRANK REALLY LOUD. For example Jesse Sykes "Troubled Soul". I like it real loud at the beginning but when it gets to the chorus I turn it down as the Focal 1007Bes would start mudding up. The Revels just kept going.

The tweeter isn't as detailed as the BE, and the bass is a little more laid back, but I like loud and I like live music so I am really starting to enjoy these. The midrange is definitely smoother. Mark Knopfler vocal on my live recordings is superb.

I put on Superbass Blue Monk, the bass doesn't sound quite as rich tonally as the Focals, but man you can make up for it with the levels!
post #3025 of 6802
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Originally Posted by bthrb4u View Post

do the tweeters on the f208-06 sound the same as the bookshelfs?

They have the same problem. If you move your head 6" to the right, it sounds like all the sound is coming out of the room next to you. If you lean forward your neck starts to hurt a little and then if you crunch down you end up with some mad gas. cool.gifbiggrin.gif

I'd move on from the performa3s, they aren't what you expect top to bottom. I don't know what KV was thinking w those aluminum tweeters.

I need to modify my old Klipsch Forte II's thats still in my basement (think Wilson Alexandria). wink.gif
post #3026 of 6802
i'm taking that as sarcasm?
post #3027 of 6802
And harold, i did very much like the very smooth mids too.
I asked about the tweeter because i would like to give the f208 a shot because of the mids actually. I thought i saw on the video harman post on youtube that they crossed over the tweeter very low so that it did the job of vocals as well as the highs. Since there is no waveguide on the midrange of the f208-206 i was hoping they would have more depth to them or atleast not the, in my opinion, wall of sound.
Also, came up with this crazy idea that since there was a dedicated midrange, they would have been able to do more with the tweeter.
If not, oh well i will still like to hear the higher end revels eventually even though they are not something i could afford.
post #3028 of 6802
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

Please, Don't get AcuDeaf started on the amp thing wink.gif
Zing!


I knew after I asked a couple of these questions that they were polarizing subjects. But it's good to have lots of opinions.
post #3029 of 6802
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Originally Posted by 4DHD View Post

As I said I think its more to do with the pre-amp, using the same power amp. I can't hear any difference between my Citation and Parasound power amps. Except when I turn off the Citation, takes about 10 seconds for those large caps to discharge. lol
But I can hear a difference between my P7 pre and the pre in the HK AVR.

I agree with that, it just makes sense. I just got the Marantz av8801 and even without running Audyssey my sound is like night and day over my old Sunfire pre/pro.
post #3030 of 6802
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Originally Posted by duc135 View Post

While they are nice subs, you can do much better for cheaper.[/quote





Ok, what's your suggestion. I want to go with one sub for now, my room is 14x28. I know it's preference but I'd like to get your opinion,

Edited by comfynumb - 2/1/13 at 3:58am
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