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My quest for a nice set of floor slanders might not be over yet. Although I've paid for these, the seller has yet to contact me. You ever get that feeling and you know something's not right? This sucks!
post #3032 of 6830
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While they are nice subs, you can do much better for cheaper.[/quote


Ok, what's your suggestion. I want to go with one sub for now, my room is 14x28. I know it's preference but I'd like to get your opinion,

In terms of performance + aesthetic + options, nothing beats Funk Audio subs from the 18.0 to the 18.2 subs.

Some people actually prefer unpowered subs because they prefer to use their own amps & EQ or whatever reasons. For example, the Funk 18.0 is like $3.2K powered, but $2K unpowered. You could use your MAC, Bryston, Parasound, Krell, ML, ATI amp to power the Funk subs. It's an option and you decide, not the sub company. I use my ATI amps to power my Funk 18.0 subs.

If you want your subs to be piano black high gloss to match your piano black high gloss Salon2, it's your option.

Edited by AcuDefTechGuy - 2/1/13 at 5:54am
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

I agree with that, it just makes sense. I just got the Marantz av8801 and even without running Audyssey my sound is like night and day over my old Sunfire pre/pro.

I always thought Sunfire pre/pros were quite good. Although I have not auditioned one for a decade, at least. But the price was more than I could afford, ended up buying a Marantz AVR.
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Originally Posted by 4DHD View Post

I always thought Sunfire pre/pros were quite good. Although I have not auditioned one for a decade, at least. But the price was more than I could afford, ended up buying a Marantz AVR.


Mine was good (TGP-5) but it was 7 years old. No dedicated HDMI, only for switching. I wish you could have heard the difference even in my humble system. Pretty amazing. Nothing wrong with a Marantz AVR man, they are the comeback kids of the decade IMO.
Edited by comfynumb - 2/1/13 at 4:25am
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

In terms of performance + aesthetic + options, nothing beats Funk Audio subs from the 18.0 to the 18.3 subs.

Some people actually prefer unpowered subs because they prefer to use their own amps & EQ or whatever reasons. For example, the Funk 18.0 is like $3.2K powered, but $2K unpowered. You could use your MAC, Bryston, Parasound, Krell, ML, ATI amp to power the Funk subs. It's an option and you decide, not the sub company. I use my ATI amps to power my Funk 18.0 subs.

If you want your subs to be piano black high gloss to match your piano black high gloss Salon2, it's your option.



Hmm, you've got me thinking. Would my parasound 205 wpc power the 18.0? Comparing it to my def tech that has a 1500 watt amp in it? Well the 50's I'm supposed to get are the Sycamore, but I can't get a tracking number from this guy, and I've got a feeling I'm gonna get boned. Thank God for PayPal they'll stand behind the transaction, I just have to wait a few more days. Maybe I'm jumping the gun, but when you send nearly 3 grand to someone they ought to get back to you.
Edited by comfynumb - 2/1/13 at 4:30am
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Mine was good (TGP-5) but it was 7 years old. No dedicated HDMI, only for switching. I wish you could have heard the difference even in my humble system. Pretty amazing. Nothing wrong with a Marantz AVR man, they are the comeback kids of the decade IMO.

I've since moved to HK AVRs, first the 635 and now the 3600. I find that the synergy of combining JBLs with HK, Marantz, or Parasound much more to my liking than with other brands I have either owned or auditioned. Where I live now, the only real audio shop is a Harman pro store. If I wanted to get a Marantz or Denon, I'd have to go to Guayaquil, and then still pay more.
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Originally Posted by 4DHD View Post

I've since moved to HK AVRs, first the 635 and now the 3600. I find that the synergy of combining JBLs with HK, Marantz, or Parasound much more to my liking than with other brands I have either owned or auditioned. Where I live now, the only real audio shop is a Harman pro store. If I wanted to get a Marantz or Denon, I'd have to go to Guayaquil, and then still pay more.



HK, another good old time name, famous in the 70's and 80's along with Marantz. I looked at your page, are you born and raised in Ecuador?
post #3038 of 6830
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Hmm, you've got me thinking. Would my parasound 205 wpc power the 18.0? Comparing it to my def tech that has a 1500 watt amp in it?

Absolutely. I was using my AT2004 amp (200wpc 8ohm/ 300wpc 4ohm) to power my dual Funk 18.0 TSADv1 subs and they sounded absolutely amazing. They blew away my DefTech Trinity sub in every way possible. Every way.

I know it's not a fair comparison, but my dual Funk 18.0 + AT2004 amp outperformed my dual Rythmik D15SE subs (370watts) as well, and I thought my dual Rythmik subs blew away the Trinity sub (2000watts). biggrin.gif

So power rating is not everything. A lot of factors are at play like efficiency, heat dissipation capability, power compression, accuracy, etc.
Edited by AcuDefTechGuy - 2/1/13 at 5:41am
post #3039 of 6830
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Absolutely. I was using my AT2004 amp (200wpc 8ohm/ 300wpc 4ohm) to power my dual Funk 18.0 TSADv1 subs and they sounded absolutely amazing. They blew away my DefTech Trinity sub in every way possible. Every way.


Well since I have the parasound available, I'm going to have to think about it. I've heard the trinity and its a good sub, so if your saying your setup is better I'm impressed, thanks. I'm going to look online at the funks, I'm not familiar with them. It will take me a little time to buy one, but I do have my def tech sub for the time being.
post #3040 of 6830
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Absolutely. I was using my AT2004 amp (200wpc 8ohm/ 300wpc 4ohm) to power my dual Funk 18.0 TSADv1 subs and they sounded absolutely amazing. They blew away my DefTech Trinity sub in every way possible. Every way.

I know it's not a fair comparison, but my dual Funk 18.0 + AT2004 amp outperformed my dual Rythmik D15SE subs (370watts) as well, and I thought my dual Rythmik subs blew away the Trinity sub (2000watts). biggrin.gif

So power rating is not everything. A lot of factors are at play like efficiency, heat dissipation capability, power compression, etc.



I looked briefly, so you like a sealed enclosure for your subs rather than vented?
post #3041 of 6830
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Well since I have the parasound available, I'm going to have to think about it. I've heard the trinity and its a good sub, so if your saying your setup is better I'm impressed, thanks. I'm going to look online at the funks, I'm not familiar with them. It will take me a little time to buy one, but I do have my def tech sub for the time being.

I thought the DT SC Trinity sub gave plenty of output, but it never gave me that ultra heart-pounding, gut-punching, breathtaking tight bass I get from my dual Funk 18.0 unpowered subs.
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

I thought the DT SC Trinity sub gave plenty of output, but it never gave me that ultra heart-pounding, gut-punching, breathtaking tight bass I get from my dual Funk 18.0 unpowered subs.


I gotcha, how much power are you putting into them? And you have the amps running into them bridged in mono? I wish I could afford the Salon 2's they look amazing.
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

I gotcha, how much power are you putting into them? And you have the amps running into them bridged in mono? I wish I could afford the Salon 2's they look amazing.

My ATI amps cannot be bridged. So each Funk sub only gets one channel of amp.

I do want to say I liked my dual Rythmik subs a lot. I mean before I heard my dual Funk 18.0, I thought the Rythmik subs were the best I've ever heard. But the Funk 18.0s are that much better.

At first I thought if I were to just run the Rythmik subs hot +10dB higher than the Funk, it would even out. I also ran my dual RBH SX-1010N subs (775wpc 4ohm) hot +10dB higher than the Funk when comparing the RBH vs Funk.

But the Funk still significantly outperformed the Rythmik & RBH. So it's not just power output or average SPL output (running the subs +10dB hot). It's Dynamic output, power compression, efficiency, and other factors.

Someone who owns Funk 18.0 subs told me once that "Subs are the most important thing".

When I heard that, my thought was "R I G H T", "W H A T E V E R". biggrin.gif

But after I heard the Funk 18.0 subs, I truly think that a pair of Gem2 + dual Funk 18.0 subs will outperform a pair of Salon2 alone, and a pair of B&W 805D2 + dual Funk 18.0 subs will outperform a pair of B&W 800D2 alone (no subs). I really do. Of course, I'm sure some will totally disagree. But I truly feel this way.
Edited by AcuDefTechGuy - 2/1/13 at 6:17am
post #3044 of 6830
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

My ATI amps cannot be bridged. So each Funk sub only gets one channel of amp.

I do want to say I liked my dual Rythmik subs a lot. I mean before I heard my dual Funk 18.0, I thought the Rythmik subs were the best I've ever heard. But the Funk 18.0s are that much better.

At first I thought if I were to just run the Rythmik subs hot +10dB higher than the Funk, it would even out. I also ran my dual RBH SX-1010N subs (775wpc 4ohm) hot +10dB higher than the Funk when comparing the RBH vs Funk.

But the Funk still significantly outperformed the Rythmik & RBH. So it's not just power output or average SPL output (running the subs +10dB hot). It's Dynamic output, power compression, efficiency, and other factors.



Ok I understand. So the funk is a 4 ohm load? And 2 grand sounds like a deal or if I can pick up one online in good shape I'd go for that. Probably one as apposed to two of them would work for me.
Edited by comfynumb - 2/1/13 at 6:26am
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

HK, another good old time name, famous in the 70's and 80's along with Marantz. I looked at your page, are you born and raised in Ecuador?
No, American, have only lived in Ecuador just over 3 years. And from what I keep reading online, glad I got out.
post #3046 of 6830
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Originally Posted by 4DHD View Post

No, American, have only lived in Ecuador just over 3 years. And from what I keep reading online, glad I got out.



I was going to say your English is better than mine. I try not to listen to the mainstream media too much, if I did I'd be paranoid. I'm in construction and just waiting for things to rebound, although my company has held it's own in a tough area. As far as violence goes, I don't see any difference where I live really.
post #3047 of 6830
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Ok I understand. So the funk is a 4 ohm load? And 2 grand sounds like a deal or if I can pick up one online in good shape I'd go for that. Probably one as apposed to two of them would work for me.

Yes, the Funk is a 4 ohm sub. So your Parasound is probably 300-350 wpc into 4ohms?

The beauty of unpowered subs is that you can choose whatever amps you want. You could buy a Harman Crown amp w/ all the bells & whistles of EQ/DSP/Limiters/2400watts power if you want.

The internal plate amps inside all these powered subs from every B&M & ID companies are basically pro amps IMO (like Behringer & Crown amps w/ EQ & DSP & Limiters). You could do the same outboard at your own choosing and pay half the price. biggrin.gif

I recall Nathan Funk saying that he ran like 4000watts RMS into the TSADv1 drivers for hours without any problems at all; these drivers are essentially indestructible.

So 300-600 watts of power would be nothing for the TSADv1, but still gives us all the dynamic punchy tight powerful deep bass we want. biggrin.gif

Also, the Funk 18.0 subs have no internal crossover networks. IMO simple is the best most of the time. Less chance of things going wrong like internal amp failure or XO network failure, etc.

BTW, having a single sub is fine, but make sure you place it kind of in the middle of the speakers (like between the L & R front speakers). If you place the single sub in the right corner of the room, then the right side of the room will have like 3dB more bass than the left side of the room (room nodes), which may still be fine for some people. biggrin.gif
Edited by AcuDefTechGuy - 2/1/13 at 6:57am
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Yes, the Funk is a 4 ohm sub. So your Parasound is probably 300-350 wpc into 4ohms?

The beauty of unpowered subs is that you can choose whatever amps you want. You could buy a Harman Crown amp w/ all the bells & whistles of EQ/DSP/Limiters/2400watts power if you want.

The internal plate amps inside all these powered subs from every B&M & ID companies are basically pro amps IMO (like Behringer & Crown amps w/ EQ & DSP & Limiters). You could do the same outboard at your own choosing and pay half the price. biggrin.gif

I recall Nathan Funk saying that he ran like 4000watts RMS into the TSADv1 drivers for hours without any problems at all; these drivers are essentially indestructible.

So 300-600 watts of power would be nothing for the TSADv1, but still gives us all the dynamic punchy tight powerful deep bass we want. biggrin.gif



It sounds like exactly what I'm looking for. My hca1500 is 205 wpc into 8 ohms. Bridged in mono it would be 630.
Edited by comfynumb - 2/1/13 at 6:46am
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It sounds like exactly what I'm looking for. My hcac1500 is 205,wpc into 8 ohms. Bridged in mono it would be 630.

Make sure if you go with Funk, get the TSAD driver, not LMS, which actually costs more and is not as indestructible as the TSAD driver. LMS is great, but can be quite brittle and fragile if you overpower them for extended hours.

Basically the LMS driver has about 2dB more output from 10-30Hz, but the TSAD has about 2dB more output from 30-80Hz, which is where most of the bass we get in music & movies. And the TSAD is a lot more bulletproof & durable.

So get the TSAD woofer driver.
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Make sure if you go with Funk, get the TSAD driver, not LMS, which actually costs more and is not as indestructible as the TSAD driver. LMS is great, but can be quite brittle and fragile if you overpower them for extended hours.

Basically the LMS driver has about 2dB more output from 10-30Hz, but the TSAD has about 2dB more output from 30-80Hz, which is where most of the bass we get in music & movies. And the TSAD is a lot more bulletproof & durable.

So get the TSAD woofer driver.


Great info thanks! And yes my amp would be 300 or so into 4 ohms, definitely would need a good fan on it. Runs much hotter than my Sunfire, although I run fans on my amp and I've noticed the 8801 gets pretty warm so I put a fan on that too. I don't like heat!
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Great info thanks! And yes my amp would be 300 or so into 4 ohms, definitely would need a good fan on it. Runs much hotter than my Sunfire, although I run fans on my amp and I've noticed the 8801 gets pretty warm so I put a fan on that too. I don't like heat!

Heat is the kiss of death to all things mechanical & electronic. Heat dissipation & component efficiency is the best friend to all things mechanical & electronic. biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Heat is the kiss of death to all things mechanical & electronic. Heat dissipation & component efficiency is the best friend to all things mechanical & electronic. biggrin.gif


Agreed, I remember a long time, before I knew better, smelling a burning Denon receiver. Since then I run fans.
post #3053 of 6830
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

I was going to say your English is better than mine. I try not to listen to the mainstream media too much, if I did I'd be paranoid. I'm in construction and just waiting for things to rebound, although my company has held it's own in a tough area. As far as violence goes, I don't see any difference where I live really.

Mark Twain - "If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you do read the newspaper, you're misinformed."
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Originally Posted by mrlittlejeans View Post

Mark Twain - "If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you do read the newspaper, you're misinformed."


That's a good quote, I've heard a lot of his quotes lately and I never knew he was that cheeky.
post #3055 of 6830
comfynumb!...i have dealt with scammers on paypal before. The best most popular scam i have seen so far is buying an item and then the seller doesn't contact you at all until you finally give up and make a claim. Then they get a hold of you and give you some bs that they were actually about to send it out that day because they were about to leave for a different state because "GRANDMA" is dying and what really sucks is that you just made a claim and now they don't have access to the money and can't go fly to see grandma. Then they ask you to cancel the claim.............that's where you get f-ed. Paypal's agreement states that if you cancel a claim then they see it as the problem being resolved and then you can't EVER make another dispute with that transaction and they get your money.
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Also, what speakers did you get? I too live in Northeast pa and am a carpenter.
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comfynumb!...i have dealt with scammers on paypal before. The best most popular scam i have seen so far is buying an item and then the seller doesn't contact you at all until you finally give up and make a claim. Then they get a hold of you and give you some bs that they were actually about to send it out that day because they were about to leave for a different state because "GRANDMA" is dying and what really sucks is that you just made a claim and now they don't have access to the money and can't go fly to see grandma. Then they ask you to cancel the claim.............that's where you get f-ed. Paypal's agreement states that if you cancel a claim then they see it as the problem being resolved and then you can't EVER make another dispute with that transaction and they get your money.

Man, if I don't see a tracking number by 5 days, I would dispute w/ my CC & dispute w/ PayPal even if the seller says he's dying of cancer himself. eek.gif
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Originally Posted by bthrb4u View Post

comfynumb!...i have dealt with scammers on paypal before. The best most popular scam i have seen so far is buying an item and then the seller doesn't contact you at all until you finally give up and make a claim. Then they get a hold of you and give you some bs that they were actually about to send it out that day because they were about to leave for a different state because "GRANDMA" is dying and what really sucks is that you just made a claim and now they don't have access to the money and can't go fly to see grandma. Then they ask you to cancel the claim.............that's where you get f-ed. Paypal's agreement states that if you cancel a claim then they see it as the problem being resolved and then you can't EVER make another dispute with that transaction and they get your money.


Wow! I bought these on eBay and sent this guy over 2,900 bucks!
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oops northwest
post #3060 of 6830
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Man, if I don't see a tracking number by 5 days, I would dispute w/ my CC & dispute w/ PayPal even if the seller says he's dying of cancer himself. eek.gif


Damn, 5 business days is Wednesday, he said in the description that he needs five business days to ship them.
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