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Performa3 Update

I am still waiting for the F208s and F206s. Shipments are now estimated for mid March. Using the M series as a reference, I believe these floor standers could set a new standard for loudspeakers in their price range.

Dennis

Mid-march? Wow, this is annoying. Ordered early January and still waiting. I guess that's what early adapters punishment feels like. smile.gif

Maybe I'll win the M105 to match the coming F208 and C208.
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I have a pair of early F208's in my living room at the moment, but I'm hearing late March, early April for the new set.
post #3243 of 6783
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Originally Posted by denydog View Post

I have a pair of early F208's in my living room at the moment, but I'm hearing late March, early April for the new set.

Now late march, early April? Bummer. Well, it's revel or bust. smile.gif
post #3244 of 6783
Hopefully the time passes quickly for those waiting. After Mr Deacon"s review I'd be jumping out of my skin waiting. Some on here know of what happened to me, and it tied up nearly 3 grand for weeks, and I'm still waiting for it. Anyway it sounds like they'll be worth the wait. They are a handsome looking speaker.

John.
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Thanks, and yeah my girlfriend is trying to keep me out of that blasted hole but she only has me by a shoestring haha. I have upgraded my pre/pro to the Marantz av8801. I'm keeping my surrounds for now but I definately need a new center channel. I went to look for my wallet and found it shaking uncontrollably in the corner of the room. So it might have to wait.

Sent you a PM regarding a center channel idea.
post #3246 of 6783
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Sent you a PM regarding a center channel idea.


Got it and thanks!
post #3247 of 6783
How do you powered subwoofer guys have their receiver or preamp set up to signal your sub. LFE > fronts set to small or LFE + main? And what should I set my crossovers at for the 52's?
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

How do you powered subwoofer guys have their receiver or preamp set up to signal your sub. LFE > fronts set to small or LFE + main? And what should I set my crossovers at for the 52's?

What are you using as a preamp or receiver? The answer will really depend on that. My Anthem, for example, allows me to set different crossovers and different settings for music and movies. I set a lower crossover for movies--significantly lower. The Anthem ARC room correction also likes to set the crossover at 60Hz in my room. Your F52's would likely have a similar setting of around 60hz-80hz for movie watching but it will depend on what frequency gives you the best crossover in your particular room.
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Originally Posted by Thxtheater View Post

What are you using as a preamp or receiver? The answer will really depend on that. My Anthem, for example, allows me to set different crossovers and different settings for music and movies. I set a lower crossover for movies--significantly lower. The Anthem ARC room correction also likes to set the crossover at 60Hz in my room. Your F52's would likely have a similar setting of around 60hz-80hz for movie watching but it will depend on what frequency gives you the best crossover in your particular room.



I just bought the Marantz av8801 recently.


Ok, I set it to LFE only front speakers to small all speaker crossovers set to 80Hz. My first impression is, the 52's sound a little like a center channel now without the extra bass going to them. My sub is only a def tech supercube 1 so it can't keep up with them.


With LFE + Main, there's more bass of course, but in my opinion it sounds a little boomy. I've read about the double bass from the LFE + Main and some say it's not good.
Edited by comfynumb - 2/16/13 at 11:20am
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

I just bought the Marantz av8801 recently.


Ok, I set it to LFE only front speakers to small all speaker crossovers set to 80Hz. My first impression is, the 52's sound a little like a center channel now without the extra bass going to them. My sub is only a def tech supercube 1 so it can't keep up with them.


With LFE + Main, there's more bass of course, but in my opinion it sounds a little boomy. I've read about the double bass from the LFE + Main and some say it's not good.

If you don't have a Revel of JL Fathom sub with the F52's, I wouldn't try the overlap. Do you have separate Movie and Music crossover settings in the Marantz? Or perhaps separate crossovers by source. I don't recall in that model if you can do that. Does that Marantz have Audyssey? That's always a good check to see what the room EQ is suggesting. If so, I'd run Audyssey.

If you don't have Audyssey, then you'll need to go with good old tools and tips. Sorry if you already posted some of these items:

1) Have you tested and set the phase of the sub?
2) Have you set the SPL level for the sub?
3) Do you have an option on the crossover slope for the sub in either 12db or 24db options?
4) Have you properly set sub placement?

If you've done all that, then try a crossover of about 40 hz and then 60hz. See which you like better. With the F52s, my gut tells me you will probably like a 60hz crossover for movies; but for music and stereo listening, you'll probably want to crossover down to about 35 or 40hz.
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Originally Posted by Thxtheater View Post

If you don't have a Revel of JL Fathom sub with the F52's, I wouldn't try the overlap. Do you have separate Movie and Music crossover settings in the Marantz? Or perhaps separate crossovers by source. I don't recall in that model if you can do that. Does that Marantz have Audyssey? That's always a good check to see what the room EQ is suggesting. If so, I'd run Audyssey.

If you don't have Audyssey, then you'll need to go with good old tools and tips. Sorry if you already posted some of these items:

1) Have you tested and set the phase of the sub?
2) Have you set the SPL level for the sub?
3) Do you have an option on the crossover slope for the sub in either 12db or 24db options?
4) Have you properly set sub placement?

If you've done all that, then try a crossover of about 40 hz and then 60hz. See which you like better. With the F52s, my gut tells me you will probably like a 60hz crossover for movies; but for music and stereo listening, you'll probably want to crossover down to about 35 or 40hz.



I haven't gotten deep into the settings in the Marantz because I knew I was going to get the new fronts, so I manually set it up to where I feel is pretty decent. I've never run Audyssey but the 8801 has the xt32. I'm just unsure of it, and some say the stock microphone isn't very good. So I'm open for suggestions. There's SO many settings in the 8801 I'm a little lost. I can set the crossovers for speakers individually I know.

Ok I set the crossovers for all speakers to 40 Hz, that's as low as I can go. On the pre/pro for the sub I have it on LFE. I can set the LPE for LFE, it adjusts from 80-250 Hz. Is that the SPL level your talking about?
Edited by comfynumb - 2/16/13 at 12:55pm
post #3252 of 6783
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

I haven't gotten deep into the settings in the Marantz because I knew I was going to get the new fronts, so I manually set it up to where I feel is pretty decent. I've never run Audyssey but the 8801 has the xt32. I'm just unsure of it, and some say the stock microphone isn't very good. So I'm open for suggestions. There's SO many settings in the 8801 I'm a little lost. I can set the crossovers for speakers individually I know.

Ok I set the crossovers for all speakers to 40 Hz, that's as low as I can go. On the pre/pro for the sub I have it on LFE. I can set the LPE for LFE, it adjusts from 80-250 Hz. Is that the SPL level your talking about?
***SMACKS FOREHEAD*** Do yourself a favor and run the Auddessey XT32. Who said it was no good? Someone on the internet? Besides, you can always turn it off and go back to "Direct". At least try it.
post #3253 of 6783
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Originally Posted by dsonic View Post

More Performa3 Update.

Both the M106s and M105s have outstanding off-axis performance. No narrow sweet spot here.
You mean you don't lose the whole image if you move your head 6 inches one way or the other? wink.gifcool.gif
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Originally Posted by dsonic View Post

I also hooked up my new C208 center speaker. This is a substantial speaker. Two 8" woofers, 4" midrange, tweeter with waveguide, a full 3-way system. I always connect a new center to one of the front R or L channels and set the processor to mono to test the full range capabilities. This test did not disappoint. Excellent on all sonic counts including cosmetics.

OK, I am done.

Dennis
I am so confident this C208 center is going to be so spectacular that I am having Standout Designs custom modify a Haven console to fit this C208 BEAST and then I am going to get a third BEAST Emotiva XPR-1 to put on it. GAME OVER.

Thanks for posting your impressions.
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Originally Posted by Esox50 View Post

***SMACKS FOREHEAD*** Do yourself a favor and run the Auddessey XT32. Who said it was no good? Someone on the internet? Besides, you can always turn it off and go back to "Direct". At least try it.




Ok, tomorrow I'm going to run it.
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Thanks to howaboutthat41 for finding this for me. Not Revel but its Harmon anyway. From what I understand the PC600 shares the same midrange driver as the Salon 2.
Edited by comfynumb - 2/17/13 at 5:01am
post #3256 of 6783
Comfy,

Audtssey XT32 has worked well for myself and other systems I have listened to. Audyssey recommends at least 6 positions of the mic for their correction algorythm. I obtained bettr results with 3 positions. I either sit in my listening position or stand right behind it so I averaged each of my 3 positions to split the height and length difference between these two spots. I placed the side positions 18" off of the side walls. My listening room is 16'x32' and I get a very even frequency response thruout the whole room with the exception of a two foot wide strip right up against the back wall. I get an approx 5dB bass boost there that is kind of fun to groove on sometimes. When I tried 6 positions, the corrected sonics seemed a bit homogenized to me. I believe I get a liver dynamic factor with 3 positions.

One thing Audyssey cannot do is prevent room "ringing" if you have too many reflective surfaces. This ringing usually comes in when you crank the volume up. Carpets and drapes help but often it takes absorbers and diffusers to correct this issue.

Dennis
post #3257 of 6783
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Originally Posted by dsonic View Post

Comfy,

Audtssey XT32 has worked well for myself and other systems I have listened to. Audyssey recommends at least 6 positions of the mic for their correction algorythm. I obtained bettr results with 3 positions. I either sit in my listening position or stand right behind it so I averaged each of my 3 positions to split the height and length difference between these two spots. I placed the side positions 18" off of the side walls. My listening room is 16'x32' and I get a very even frequency response thruout the whole room with the exception of a two foot wide strip right up against the back wall. I get an approx 5dB bass boost there that is kind of fun to groove on sometimes. When I tried 6 positions, the corrected sonics seemed a bit homogenized to me. I believe I get a liver dynamic factor with 3 positions.

One thing Audyssey cannot do is prevent room "ringing" if you have too many reflective surfaces. This ringing usually comes in when you crank the volume up. Carpets and drapes help but often it takes absorbers and diffusers to correct this issue.

Dennis
Interesting that you too feel like it gives better results with 3, cause I was going to say that above. I do "three and done" now.
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Originally Posted by dsonic View Post

Comfy,

Audtssey XT32 has worked well for myself and other systems I have listened to. Audyssey recommends at least 6 positions of the mic for their correction algorythm. I obtained bettr results with 3 positions. I either sit in my listening position or stand right behind it so I averaged each of my 3 positions to split the height and length difference between these two spots. I placed the side positions 18" off of the side walls. My listening room is 16'x32' and I get a very even frequency response thruout the whole room with the exception of a two foot wide strip right up against the back wall. I get an approx 5dB bass boost there that

is kind of fun to groove on sometimes. When I tried 6 positions, the corrected sonics seemed a bit homogenized to me. I believe I get a liver dynamic factor with 3 positions.

One thing Audyssey cannot do is prevent room "ringing" if you have too many reflective surfaces. This ringing usually comes in when you crank the volume up. Carpets and drapes help but often it takes absorbers and diffusers to correct this issue.

Dennis



This makes me more confident. I think I should be ok. It's just when you haven't done it before it sounds intimidating. Thanks for the post Dennis.
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Originally Posted by Esox50 View Post

***SMACKS FOREHEAD*** Do yourself a favor and run the Auddessey XT32. Who said it was no good? Someone on the internet? Besides, you can always turn it off and go back to "Direct". At least try it.

Yes, I think everyone should try Audyssey and compare ON vs OFF. I preferred OFF, and so did a friend of mine. But everyone should try it and see for himself.
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Yes, I think everyone should try Audyssey and compare ON vs OFF. I preferred OFF, and so did a friend of mine. But everyone should try it and see for himself.

I agree -- and in a somewhat "difficult" (reflective) room, and to my surprise, I preferred having it on and using the Stereo mode with my Marantz AV7005, rather than using the Pure Direct (Audyssey Off) mode. Just liked the sound better on my JBL Performance System setup. My Revel M22/JBL PS1400 set runs off a JBLSynthesis/Lexicon electronics group with the room correction feature not activated, to date.
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Any salon2 or studio2 guys running their speakers biamped or biwired? If so can you post pictures of how the heck you have your speaker wire hooked up in the back? I run a biwire setup and have spades on my cables but it's a disaster trying to connect them, one pair of wires ultimately has to loop to terminate from the top, it's driving me a bit nuts.
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Any salon2 or studio2 guys running their speakers biamped or biwired? If so can you post pictures of how the heck you have your speaker wire hooked up in the back? I run a biwire setup and have spades on my cables but it's a disaster trying to connect them, one pair of wires ultimately has to loop to terminate from the top, it's driving me a bit nuts.



Hi, I've heard talk of this before being a pain because of the way they are set up in back. I have the 52's and mine are easy to get at. It's dead on here tonight but one of the guys with those models will help you soon I'm sure. I tried googling it and I can't find a good pic to post. I'm going to look again. But it looks to me like you almost have to use banana plugs, much easier.
post #3263 of 6783
Banana plugs means you cannot close the rear door which will drive me even more nuts. What the heck was revel thinking with this, they are pushing my OCD into overdrive.

I'll take pictures to show you what I mean, though I think I have come up with a solution that won't drive me too crazy.
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So if I just came from underneath like you normally would with the upper connectors it would mean the lower connectors would have to do a full circle to get underneath or a tight turn to come over top.

I need to redo the spades on the wiring (were too big for the gauge of wire), so I think i'm just going to shorten the wires for the lower connectors so they connect from underneath. Hopefully the shorter wire for the low frequencies doesn't cause a delay with the longer wired highs lol wink.gif
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It also looks like I am not supposed to throw my speakers in the garbage.
post #3266 of 6783
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Originally Posted by robbbby View Post

Banana plugs means you cannot close the rear door which will drive me even more nuts. What the heck was revel thinking with this, they are pushing my OCD into overdrive.

I'll take pictures to show you what I mean, though I think I have come up with a solution that won't drive me too crazy.



Sorry I got tied up. I see what you mean not much room on the bottom posts. I know the wires are supposed to be equal, but I don't see an alternative. And NO throwing those in the garbage.
Edited by comfynumb - 2/17/13 at 6:48pm
post #3267 of 6783
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It also looks like I am not supposed to throw my speakers in the garbage.

LOL! I finally got it. No, I don't think I'd chuck those babies away.
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LOL! I finally got it. No, I don't think I'd chuck those babies away.



Lol! I just looked and my 52's have a damn no garbage can logo also. When is speaker garbage pick up every other Friday?
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Lol! I just looked and my 52's have a damn no garbage can logo also. When is speaker garbage pick up every other Friday?

Must be some Mercury or other heavy metal in them somewhere!
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Must be some Mercury or other heavy metal in them somewhere!



Lol.
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