Revel Owners Thread - Page 12

What you want to try are the Ayre MX-R Monoblock amps 300w into 8ohms and 600 into4 ohms I have used Levinson amps for years,and they are very good,but these Ayre amps are something different,they have Power with smooth musicality you hear every sound.

Your right . Monoblock is indeed interesting , but i still prefer stereo amp anyway.
Lately ive been reading a lot bouts amp and it seem amp like parasound , lexicon and anthem is more suitable for HT . Most people in this thread that own revels uses this brand . The thing is i use for music only .

Im still searching for other brands to see whether i can find some good one with reasonable price as well.

I suggest trying out pro amps such as the Crown XLS series. Get one from a pro retailer that allows 30 day returns, give a listen in your own setup, and if you decide against, send it back, you'll only be out shipping.

P.S. Run it balanced, else you might get hum from mixing pro and consumer gear.

I'm really wanting to get the Revel Concerta F12's because they're the only ones I can truly afford right now and they seem pretty reliable. I've heard good things about them but I haven't read as many good things about the C12 center channel speaker.

Does anyone who owns or knows about the F12 have a recommendation for a better center channel speaker than the C12?

Also, do the members who own the F12 are you happy with the sound and glad you purchased them?

Thanks!

As a owner of F12 , this speaker is indeed a very good speaker for the price range compare to other speaker. Truly recommended speaker .
But i will suggest to you , please go and listen to F32 and F52 . You will really listen to the Revel true sonic performance . If you cant afford it , please save money and purchase in the future and u wont regret it for many years to come .

As a owner of F32 now , my F12 is like a display speaker now .
Does it really worth the difference f12 and f32 , my opinion is yes .
Save money and buy urself a good one . As for amplifier , electronics is getting cheaper as years come .

Currenly im still searching for a good amplifiers to drive my Revel F32.
Now im thinking about Parasound again and their latest model the JC2 Preamp .

Have anyone heard the performance of JC2 before ?
They recommended the JC2 preamp to be Power by JC1 power amp which produces 400WPC . Dont you think this Power Amp is OVERKILLING ?
Will my Revel EXPLODE HAHA

If i use the JC2 and power with A51 , what do you guys think. Is this a good match .
The JC2 still have no review at Stereophile but i guess maybe next year they will .
There are very few reviewers for JC2 at the moment . It really attract me a lot since this is stereo preamp which i prefer for my music listening .

As for the parasound Classic line , such as the 2250 Power amp and 2100 pre amp , will there be very big difference with the Halo Series . Anyone compare before.

http://www.parasound.com

The C12 is not a bad CC at all and it's the easiest match for the F12's. I used a C50 with the F12's, but it's definitely not a natural match out of the box. I had to spend quite a bit of time dicking around with the tone/placement controls (and physical placement) to get a result that I was really happy with.

Even though I don't have them any more, I'd highly recommend auditioning the F12's if you haven't already. I still think that they are a real stand out at their price point.


Scott

Scott and Quicksilver:

I really do appreciate both of your comments. Thanks for your time and thoughts.

I've been checking into the F12 for a long time. If I had more money, I'd definitely go for one of the higher end Revel speakers. (I used to own the F30's) a few years ago and really loved them.

My listening at this point is primarily home theater and not as much music and after owning the F30's, I'm a fairly devoted Revel fan. I'm wanting a very cohesive 5 or 7 channel home theater setup, hopefully using Revel, but would be open to another line if was a total step up for a similar price.

I've been looking at other alternatives, primarily Paradigm. Paradigm has several different price points and several floorstanding and bookshelf speakers with dozens of potential matchups. So, I have some reading and listening to do.

Again, I appreciate your comments and look forward to more of them! Thanks!

As revel owners, I am sure you would have opinions on this sub.

Can you please comment on Revel B15 and Velodyne DD-15?

Which one would you prefer?

Thank you

I've owned the B15 for about 5 or 6 years now, and still love it. A good friend of mine has the DD-15 and I helped him update his software and install/setup his sub and I have auditioned his system quite extensively. Having dealt with both, I would say that it is difficult to declare one over the other in terms of sound quality. However, I envy the ease of setup of the Velodyne.

The Revel LFO software has never really been properly updated and is buggy... something I'm surprised NONE of the reviews I've read have addressed... it works, but you have to be careful to write down the first set of answers, because the software alters the results if you leave your results and flip back to them. I believe the error is related to how the software automatically adjusts for measurement errors in the Radio Shack Analog SPL meter. The software applies the corrections twice if you flip back and forth between the results screens. It only does this extra correction once (ie. once it applies the corrections the 2nd time, the recommended settings will always be displayed the same). However, the one extra correction is one too many and can drastically alter the recommended settings. I raised this in an email with Revel and they agreed there was an error, and they promised a new version of LFO with more features would be coming soon. This was about 3 or 4 years ago... so much for soon.

The onscreen setup and mic used with the Velodyne was easy to use in comparison. Of course it requires more wiring and connections, and a display/tv nearby, but the actual process is pretty simple once you get started.

So I don't know if that helped or not. I certainly haven't wanted to run out and buy a Velodyne or replace my Revel, but I wish I had the on-screen ease/confirmation provided with the Velo's setup.

Don't ask me about overall output, max volume, etc, because I've never measured either sub. The both put out more bass/volume than I can bear in real-world listening. YMMV.

I have a pair of M22 w/ a Primare I21 INTEGRATED AMPLIFIER (no sub out), anyone know the best way to add a sub for music (and high pass signal to the M22)?

Thanks...

High pass the speaker level signal to almost any sub (speaker level in), and out of the sub to the M22's. Set the sub's xover using an spl meter and Avia disc, if possible, for smoothest transition. I'd suggest you get a quality sub for your setup. Piece o' cake.

Thanks...
I have a Essex SW2 sub that I likes to integrate. Not sure that can be done w/ only low end goes to sub and ~80hz+ or so goes to the M22?
I will have to study the SW2 manual further, maybe I missing something.

Your sub has both high level and low level capabilities. Just run your speaker wire out from your integrated amp, into the "speaker level" (or "high level", whichever it says on the connector) inputs on the sub. There will be "speaker out" connectors on the sub...run speaker wire then from the sub to your speakers. The sub has a built-in crossover that sends any signal above the crossover frequency to the speakers. The sub then only plays information it strips off from below the crossover point. With your speakers, I'd recommend you first try crossing over at ~80 Hz.

Keep in mind that the xover point is not a brick wall. The sub has a designed-in slope that ramps up the speaker signal from just below the xover. It does the opposite with the sub signal over the xover.

Don't think the SW2 have speaker wire out, only RCA in/out. Will double check later...Thank you.

This is from the manufacturer of your sub. It should be okay.

"High Level 100K ohm unbalanced via Neutrik Speakon connector Low level 10K unbalanced via gold plated RCA connectors."

unfortunately only speaker high level in, no out. see attached picture of rear panel.

after some searching on this forum, I will try using pre-out of the amp to sub, and adjust the sub only produce ~40hz and below. Hope that will integrate well w/ the M22 until a better solution.

Thanks everyone on this forum...

Yes, I see you are correct. And your use of the pre-out should work fine. That is how my office system is setup. Again, use an SPL meter if you have one to fine-tune the crossover and volume settings.

I currently own M22s.
I run them with a sub and play them at moderate levels.
How much of an upgrade will the F52s be?

Do they sound significantly better?
I know they would extend deeper and play louder but I am more interested in the quality of the sound since I don't play loud and have a sub for the deep extension.

I am trying to choose between F52 and Focal 1027 Be.

Any feedback on these speakers is appreciated.

Thank you

I picked up a C32 and I am now looking to buy a matching front speakers. I am undecided between the M22 and F32. Since this is going to be 100% HT set up I am now even wondering if the move from the Concerta line to the Performa line is worth the upgrade for a dedicated movies only room. Are the perfomas a whole lot better than the Comcertas for HT? Is the C32 a significant upgrade over the C12? My room is 20 x 17 x 8. I don't play at reference level at all but like big room filling sound. I have the JL F112 sub for the low end. I also have a Parasound 2205A and a Proceed Amp 3 to choose from for amplification. I am upgrading from Mirage OM series speakers. I would appreciate your input. Thanks for your help.

BTW, how well do the surround speakers from the Concerta line like work with the Performas?

Boy, this is one quite thread! I guess all of you are enjoying your revels. Or maybe it is the holiday week?

I haven't compared the speakers but seeing the gear you'll be using with them,(nice) I would stay with the performa line. Not that the concertas are that much of a step down, but the f32 or m22 would be a better match timbre wise with the c32. I know I'm not much help, but I am taking a break from enjoying my Revels.

I absolutely love my F12's.I sent my NHT Classic Three's to the rear in favor of these up front and have been using an old NHT SB3 as a center and must say that they actually are voiced pretty close,not perfect but good enough for me.

Thanks for your input. I wonder since I have a good sub, if I decided to go with the Performa line, is the M22 the way to go over the F32 or do I still need to get the F32 due to the size of my room? FYI, my room tend to exaggerate bass a bit. I always cross the fronts @80 Hz.

A good sub with the M22's should work quite well. Quite well, indeed.

Even for 100% HT setup? Will I still get excellent dynamics and detail in my no so small 20 x 17 room.

My set up in my theater is currently, M22's for front left and right, C52 center all those are behind an SMX screen, S30's for the sides and M22's for the rears, subs are B12's I currently run mine off a Lexicon RV8. Sounds fabulous. Mine is a dedicated theater, but we also listen to music in it.
While I certainly don't need to, I MAY upgrade the fronts to F32's my room is 16.5 x 19 and I feel the F52's would be overkill. I tried the C32, but I preferred the C52.

Sure. Reference quality monitors provide incredible imaging and related dynamics, and allow the bass to emanate from an ideal, separate location. The M22s go pretty low themselves, as well.

You will if you are properly acoustically treating the room. If you aren't then no speaker will sound it's best in there no matter what.

I had an opportunity to pick up a pair of Ultima Studios at a very good price so Merry Xmas to myself . Early opinions are they are a nice step up from the Performa's so now it's Studios and Embraces. I'm looking for a Voice (ver1) to round out my Ultima setup and selling my C-52. I anyone knows of a Voice that's available please PM me.