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post #3301 of 4152
2/20/13 at 6:52am
To be honest my ear isn't trained to dissect sound, the way some can. Now don't take this the wrong way, but I think some people and I don't mean anyone on here, take it to such an extreme that they are taking some of the enjoyment, fun, whatever you want to call it, out of music/movies. I'm guilty of trying to be perfect, and sometimes I take it to such an extreme that I've come to the realization that I'm partially ruining my musical experience. The last two nights I put several movies on, and just sat and watched and listened. I know I have the wrong center speaker (ones on the way) and my def tech sub ain't all that, yeah I want more power, but I really had fun for a change. I might not be able to tell you timbre in music from timber! Get out of the way before that tree falls on your head. But I think I fall in the same boat as Mr AcuDefTechGuy and just listen for clear sound, proper imaging and good tight bass.
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post #3302 of 4152
2/20/13 at 6:57am
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You can think whatever you want, but it doesn't make you right. Timbre is very important to many who listen to music, especially unamplified music. Without proper timbre you'd have a hard time telling some instruments apart. A flute shouldn't sound wooden, for example. Timbre is obviously less important for movies, but just because you don't care about it doesn't mean others don't.

Did anyone see me say I was right and anyone else was wrong? rolleyes.gif

Did anyone see me say others will agree with me about anything? rolleyes.gif

Get a happy life and stop stalking my posts. Damn, just put me on your ignore list for crying out loud! It's ludicrous.

I can't state an opinion without you making some remarks about what I say?

It's really okay to just state an opinion.

Someone thinks timbre is very important. Someone thinks timbre is not very important. It's really no big deal.
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post #3303 of 4152
2/20/13 at 7:15am
He is not stalking you!!! Come on. He is salking you!

Yes! I got in a dumb joke like my son and my buddy who have a million of these smile.gif
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post #3304 of 4152
2/20/13 at 8:03am
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

You can think whatever you want, but it doesn't make you right. Timbre is very important to many who listen to music, especially unamplified music. Without proper timbre you'd have a hard time telling some instruments apart.
+1. What makes one instrument sound different from another is primarily the harmonic content of the waveform, as well as the spectral and time envelopes, and a few other factors that get lumped together under the umbrella of 'timbre'. A speaker would have to be really bad for one to mistake a viola for a trumpet, but it could happen.
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When I listen to music or watch movies, I don't focus on any timbre,
You may not focus on it, but it's one of those things that you don't pay much attention to when it's good, but you'd be very aware of when it's bad.
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I think this timbre thing is overrated.
Don't criticize what you don't understand.
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post #3305 of 4152
2/20/13 at 8:39am
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

To be honest my ear isn't trained to dissect sound, the way some can. Now don't take this the wrong way, but I think some people and I don't mean anyone on here, take it to such an extreme that they are taking some of the enjoyment, fun, whatever you want to call it, out of music/movies. I'm guilty of trying to be perfect, and sometimes I take it to such an extreme that I've come to the realization that I'm partially ruining my musical experience. The last two nights I put several movies on, and just sat and watched and listened. I know I have the wrong center speaker (ones on the way) and my def tech sub ain't all that, yeah I want more power, but I really had fun for a change. I might not be able to tell you timbre in music from timber! Get out of the way before that tree falls on your head. But I think I fall in the same boat as Mr AcuDefTechGuy and just listen for clear sound, proper imaging and good tight bass.

I believe the key is to simply enjoy the songs and shows and not to over analyze.

My wife and I were at the theater yesterday watching the new Die Hard movie. The problem was we had a difficult time hearing the dialogue. So we couldn't enjoy the movie because the sound quality was not clear at all. And the bass was not as punchy and dynamic as I would like. biggrin.gif

If the timbre, imaging, and soundstage is just horrible, I think anyone of us could tell and be 100% distracted.

I usually use my KEF 201/2 x 5 for 5.2 sound. But just for kicks, I like to also mix my Salon2 + KEF, TAD + KEF, & 802D2 + KEF.

Even when I'm mixing speakers, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the timbre, image, and soundstage that I could tell. The movie dialogue is crystal clear. The sound is crystal clear. And the bass kicks a$$.

My point for everyone asking the question is to try for yourself and see. Don't just take someone's word for it because they think they are experts. You have a smart brain. You have senses. You don't need a "doctorate" in speaker designs. biggrin.gif See for yourself. Keep in mind the importance of level matching all your speakers. If you think timbre, image, & soundstage is off and distracting, then it is off and distracting no matter what anyone says. If it sounds perfectly fine, then it's perfectly fine no matter what anyone says. It's not about who is right or wrong.

But we can all voice our experiences. And they may be all different. But that should not stop us from having a great day and sharing our experiences. biggrin.gif
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post #3306 of 4152
2/20/13 at 9:23am
Let's get this thread back on track...ALL PERFORMA3 DELAYED UNTIL 2016. ULTIMA2 DISCONTINUED. eek.gif :P

And no stalkers allowed, unless they are 36DD-24-36...wink.gif
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post #3307 of 4152
2/20/13 at 9:26am
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Criticize? You're the one who is criticizing.

All I did was state an opinion that I think timbre is overrated. Just an opinion.
You're entitled to your opinions. But your words indicate that you don't know what timbre is, so how you can think it's overrated frankly makes no sense. And that's my opinion about your opinion. rolleyes.gif
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post #3308 of 4152
2/20/13 at 9:28am
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

You can think whatever you want, but it doesn't make you right. Timbre is very important to many who listen to music, especially unamplified music. Without proper timbre you'd have a hard time telling some instruments apart. A flute shouldn't sound wooden, for example. Timbre is obviously less important for movies, but just because you don't care about it doesn't mean others don't.

What you call you 'timbre' I call tonality, but to each their own.
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post #3309 of 4152
2/20/13 at 11:37am
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

I believe the key is to simply enjoy the songs and shows and not to over analyze.

My wife and I were at the theater yesterday watching the new Die Hard movie. The problem was we had a difficult time hearing the dialogue. So we couldn't enjoy the movie because the sound quality was not clear at all. And the bass was not as punchy and dynamic as I would like. biggrin.gif

If the timbre, imaging, and soundstage is just horrible, I think anyone of us could tell and be 100% distracted.

I usually use my KEF 201/2 x 5 for 5.2 sound. But just for kicks, I like to also mix my Salon2 + KEF, TAD + KEF, & 802D2 + KEF.

Even when I'm mixing speakers, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the timbre, image, and soundstage that I could tell. The movie dialogue is crystal clear. The sound is crystal clear. And the bass kicks a$$.

My point for everyone asking the question is to try for yourself and see. Don't just take someone's word for it because they think they are experts. You have a smart brain. You have senses. You don't need a "doctorate" in speaker designs. biggrin.gif See for yourself. Keep in mind the importance of level matching all your speakers. If you think timbre, image, & soundstage is off and distracting, then it is off and distracting no matter what anyone says. If it sounds perfectly fine, then it's perfectly fine no matter what anyone says. It's not about who is right or wrong.

But we can all voice our experiences. And they may be all different. But that should not stop us from having a great day and sharing our experiences. biggrin.gif



I agree it is all in the ear of the beholder for sure. I ve never had anyone listen to my setup and say wow that sounds $hit, but then again they don't care as much about it as I do. I would love to hear your Salon's and KEF setup!
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post #3310 of 4152
2/20/13 at 1:11pm
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Did anyone see me say I was right and anyone else was wrong? rolleyes.gif

Did anyone see me say others will agree with me about anything? rolleyes.gif

Get a happy life and stop stalking my posts. Damn, just put me on your ignore list for crying out loud! It's ludicrous.

I can't state an opinion without you making some remarks about what I say?

It's really okay to just state an opinion.

Someone thinks timbre is very important. Someone thinks timbre is not very important. It's really no big deal.

I am sorry if I offended you. I was simply stating that most people disagree that timbre is overrated, including the speaker manufacturers/designers. You didn't have to react so harshly and make false and rude accusations.
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He is not stalking you!!! Come on. He is salking you!

Yes! I got in a dumb joke like my son and my buddy who have a million of these smile.gif

LOL - okay, that was a good one - I admit it. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by 65 Electra Glide View Post

What you call you 'timbre' I call tonality, but to each their own.

I actually do too. I usually phrase it like this: "timbre/tonality." smile.gif
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post #3311 of 4152
2/20/13 at 1:42pm
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Originally Posted by Esox50 View Post

Let's get this thread back on track...ALL PERFORMA3 DELAYED UNTIL 2016. ULTIMA2 DISCONTINUED. eek.gif :P

And no stalkers allowed, unless they are 36DD-24-36...wink.gif

What? Ultima2 are discontinued? eek.gif

So Ultima3 are coming out...

I just bought my Salon2 less than 2 years ago.
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post #3312 of 4152
2/20/13 at 3:26pm
^Harman is getting bought out by Bose.













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post #3313 of 4152
2/20/13 at 4:57pm
Is it a full moon tonight? If it isn't it should be.
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post #3314 of 4152
2/20/13 at 5:49pm
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Originally Posted by Esox50 View Post

Let's get this thread back on track...ALL PERFORMA3 DELAYED UNTIL 2016. ULTIMA2 DISCONTINUED. eek.gif :P

And no stalkers allowed, unless they are 36DD-24-36...wink.gif
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

What? Ultima2 are discontinued? eek.gif

So Ultima3 are coming out...

I just bought my Salon2 less than 2 years ago.
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^Harman is getting bought out by Bose.
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Is it a full moon tonight? If it isn't it should be.

It's also not April 1st yet. smile.gif
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post #3315 of 4152
2/20/13 at 7:29pm
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Originally Posted by Esox50 View Post

Let's get this thread back on track...ALL PERFORMA3 DELAYED UNTIL 2016. ULTIMA2 DISCONTINUED. eek.gif :P

What!? Where did you read that?
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post #3316 of 4152
2/21/13 at 8:18am
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

So Ultima3 are coming out...
Yes, next week. This is why Performa3 production is behind. Kevin Voecks secretly designed Ultima3, the Performa3 was just a mis-direction and put on the back burner while they ramp up Ulitma3...to be produced in Asia. wink.giftongue.gifbiggrin.gif
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post #3317 of 4152
2/21/13 at 9:36am
i heard the factory where the performa3's are being made had to install nets around the building because the workers were tired of hand rubbing wood all day to make a speaker look like a ferrari.
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post #3318 of 4152
2/21/13 at 9:52am
Should my center channel speaker wire be the same length as my fronts?
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post #3319 of 4152
2/21/13 at 9:55am
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Should my center channel speaker wire be the same length as my fronts?
I have been told that but do not really understand why. Mine are the same.
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post #3320 of 4152
2/21/13 at 10:02am
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Originally Posted by jima4a View Post

I have been told that but do not really understand why. Mine are the same.



Good enough enough for me thanks Jim. I have an extra set the same length, since I tried the bi p thing and I'm going back to normal. It just did not make a difference really.
Edited by comfynumb - 2/21/13 at 10:07am
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post #3321 of 4152
2/21/13 at 10:20am



Well it's not the mate to my 52's but it's in the family. It does have the same midrange as the Salon2. I can't believe the size of this thing, it's a monster.
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post #3322 of 4152
2/21/13 at 10:26am
is that a center or a surround lol?
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post #3323 of 4152
2/21/13 at 10:57am
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Should my center channel speaker wire be the same length as my fronts?

In an ideal all things being equal world. However unless one wire is 200 feet long and the other 2 feet. Don't sweat it. If you are doing a custom installation you can't help it. There's probably some theory about cable ratio out there but please prove it with hard data. I run custom 14/4 wiring to my salons and center and all are different lengths. No way there is any audible difference.
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post #3324 of 4152
2/21/13 at 11:22am
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Originally Posted by bthrb4u View Post

is that a center or a surround lol?



It's from the JBL performance series, PC600 center speaker, but it has the exact same midrange driver as the Salon2. A fellow member found this on eBay for me, and this guy bought it a little over a year ago. I can't find one mark on it anywhere or the grill. What a steal for 75% off it's original cost. Thanks to him I lucked out.
Edited by comfynumb - 2/21/13 at 12:33pm
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post #3325 of 4152
2/21/13 at 11:31am
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Originally Posted by Thxtheater View Post

In an ideal all things being equal world. However unless one wire is 200 feet long and the other 2 feet. Don't sweat it. If you are doing a custom installation you can't help it. There's probably some theory about cable ratio out there but please prove it with hard data. I run custom 14/4 wiring to my salons and center and all are different lengths. No way there is any audible difference.



I've heard the same thing, that they should match but I wanted sone opinions before I went through that. Like you if someone could tell the difference from a wire a couple of feet shorter than the other I would be shocked. So for now I left it alone.
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post #3326 of 4152
2/21/13 at 2:50pm
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Well it's not the mate to my 52's but it's in the family. It does have the same midrange as the Salon2. I can't believe the size of this thing, it's a monster.

Wow, I've never seen a center speaker with the woofers on a separate plane and angled back like that! I suppose for lower frequencies it doesn't matter that much that they are not on plane with the mid and tweeter.
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post #3327 of 4152
2/21/13 at 3:13pm
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Wow, I've never seen a center speaker with the woofers on a separate plane and angled back like that! I suppose for lower frequencies it doesn't matter that much that they are not on plane with the mid and tweeter.



I haven't either, but there's no denying how good it sounds. It seems to be helping in my acoustic nightmare of a room. I'll know better tonight when I try some movies out. It's also a sealed enclosure.
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post #3328 of 4152
2/22/13 at 10:03am
comfy, I don't know what you have planned for the weekend but if you haven't run the Audyssey setup yet you really should, imo.
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post #3329 of 4152
2/22/13 at 10:39am
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

comfy, I don't know what you have planned for the weekend but if you haven't run the Audyssey setup yet you really should, imo.



Hey Milt, I'm going to give a whirl. Should I leave everything in the room as I normally do, like the coffee table? its in between my listening point and the the speakers.
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post #3330 of 4152
2/22/13 at 12:03pm
Unless you move or remove the coffee table when listening to music, I would think that leaving the room as is when you listen to music would be the way you want the measure it.
Also you want to ensure the least amount of noise pollution possible when taking the measurements.
Furnace, fans, TV, people, pets anything & everything.

I don't have Audyssey but I do have ARC but in this respect it would only seems logical that you want the system to measure the system itself and not the system plus a basketball game or dishwasher.

Many people, myself included, don't realize how much background noise is present even in a "quiet" house.
I fully realized it when I built a dedicated music\ht room in my basement with double drywall, green glue, RSIC clips and lots of other stuff.
I forget the actual measurements we did but the ambient noise floor in that room is double digit dbs less than my living room with "nothing" on.
The fan in a laptop is noisy in there.

I'm sure you'll let us know how it goes.

BTW, I'm curious not questioning, where did you read that you're new JBL center uses the same mid-driver as the Salon2?
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