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post #3331 of 4113
2/22/13 at 12:05pm
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Hey Milt, I'm going to give a whirl. Should I leave everything in the room as I normally do, like the coffee table? its in between my listening point and the the speakers.

Check out the Audyssey setup guide in this post . It is by far the most comprehensive guide I have come across and gives some great pointers for running Audyssey. Some of the most important things are to make the environment as quiet as possible while running the Audyssey process and to follow the microphone placement suggestions (use a camera tripod if you have one). I would remove any obstructions like the coffee table between your speakers and the Audyssey mic.

That thread is also a great place if you have any questions
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post #3332 of 4113
2/22/13 at 12:26pm
Again, just a question and I have not read the Audyssey thread but I'm assuming that the mic is supposed to be placed at or near the sitting ear level to accurately reflect the high frequencies at that point so removing a coffee table or anything else is going to alter the listening environment and thus won't be reflected in the measurements and won't allow Audyssey to correct for something that wasn't in the room but will be in the room subsequently.

Again, I'm no Audyssey guru but this seems to be outside the realm of any particular measurement correction system, however I've been wrong enough times to be open to education. wink.gif
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post #3333 of 4113
2/22/13 at 12:43pm
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

Again, just a question and I have not read the Audyssey thread but I'm assuming that the mic is supposed to be placed at or near the sitting ear level to accurately reflect the high frequencies at that point so removing a coffee table or anything else is going to alter the listening environment and thus won't be reflected in the measurements and won't allow Audyssey to correct for something that wasn't in the room but will be in the room subsequently.

Again, I'm no Audyssey guru but this seems to be outside the realm of any particular measurement correction system, however I've been wrong enough times to be open to education. wink.gif

Oh I am definitely not a guru either...but in my room for example there is a chair that, in its normal position, would block/obscure most of my front right speaker (we move it when company is not over). I moved it during Audyssey because leaving it in place would likely skew the results in an unpleasant way. But you are probably right, Audyssey would likely compensate for the table...I guess I should have phrased it to more say I think if there is furniture that would completely block the mic from getting some signal then it should be moved/arranged to prevent that blockage.
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post #3334 of 4113
2/22/13 at 12:43pm
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

Unless you move or remove the coffee table when listening to music, I would think that leaving the room as is when you listen to music would be the way you want the measure it.
Also you want to ensure the least amount of noise pollution possible when taking the measurements.
Furnace, fans, TV, people, pets anything & everything.

I don't have Audyssey but I do have ARC but in this respect it would only seems logical that you want the system to measure the system itself and not the system plus a basketball game or dishwasher.

Many people, myself included, don't realize how much background noise is present even in a "quiet" house.
I fully realized it when I built a dedicated music\ht room in my basement with double drywall, green glue, RSIC clips and lots of other stuff.
I forget the actual measurements we did but the ambient noise floor in that room is double digit dbs less than my living room with "nothing" on.
The fan in a laptop is noisy in there.

I'm sure you'll let us know how it goes.

BTW, I'm curious not questioning, where did you read that you're new JBL center uses the same mid-driver as the Salon2?



Ok I understand I'll have to make sure it's especially quiet in here, I could see how that would effect things. And leave it like it is in here. I believe it was in a review of the JBL, they mentioned it shared the mid driver with the Salon2. I thought it was just similar but then I looked into it further and it's the same one.
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post #3335 of 4113
2/22/13 at 12:52pm
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Originally Posted by thrand1 View Post

Check out the Audyssey setup guide in this post . It is by far the most comprehensive guide I have come across and gives some great pointers for running Audyssey. Some of the most important things are to make the environment as quiet as possible while running the Audyssey process and to follow the microphone placement suggestions (use a camera tripod if you have one). I would remove any obstructions like the coffee table between your speakers and the Audyssey mic.

That thread is also a great place if you have any questions



Wow that's quite the guide, very intimidating to me. I'll give it a shot just to see what I think. The community seems split about Audyssey, some like it and others would rather tune things themselves. I've done a lot of adjusting myself to get to the point where I think it's pretty good. To me the quality of everything upstream is critical to the Revels. I'm in good shape there, but that also is dependent on the media you use, which isn't easy to find IMO.
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post #3336 of 4113
2/22/13 at 3:23pm
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Ok I understand I'll have to make sure it's especially quiet in here, I could see how that would effect things. And leave it like it is in here. I believe it was in a review of the JBL, they mentioned it shared the mid driver with the Salon2. I thought it was just similar but then I looked into it further and it's the same one.

The 4-inch mid-range in the JBL Performance Series is the same driver as used in the Ultima2; the 8-inch and 6-inch are derivatives of those used in the Ultima2 series. Tweeter is different.
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post #3337 of 4113
2/22/13 at 3:28pm
I was thinking that if you took a look at that thread it might be another month before you attempted to run Audyssey smile.gif

I would say look for the basic tips like mic placement, number of sweeps to take etc., and then just do it.
You'll learn a lot by doing that and you can digest all of the other stuff over time.

I have my own view on room correction.
All of my views are based on reading and my experience with Anthem ARC.
It can work wonders in acoustically crappy rooms.
It doesn't replace basic acoustic treatments.
I've limited the frequency range that is corrected to 2khz max to 500hz max in various sweeps.
I've come to the conclusion, the lower the better.
I had some real anomalies trying to correct the entire range.
My ARC experience so far, is only on my 7.2 surround system

I plan on running ARC on my living room, 2-channel system tomorrow which could be very interesting I hope.
No sub just a pair of speakers.
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post #3338 of 4113
2/22/13 at 3:37pm
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Wow that's quite the guide, very intimidating to me. I'll give it a shot just to see what I think. The community seems split about Audyssey, some like it and others would rather tune things themselves. I've done a lot of adjusting myself to get to the point where I think it's pretty good. To me the quality of everything upstream is critical to the Revels. I'm in good shape there, but that also is dependent on the media you use, which isn't easy to find IMO.

Just follow the basic instructions in the Marantz manual. Keep it simple and see if you like it. If the program sets a bizarre crossover or some such thing, then you can reach out to the various resources or just do what seems to make sense.
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post #3339 of 4113
2/22/13 at 3:54pm
Yes. Please...this is not rocket science. Audyssey is designed for idiots like the Kef owners smile.gif

Just kidding.
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post #3340 of 4113
2/22/13 at 4:56pm
Zee PC600 haz zee titanium tweeterz! Zee best EVAR! biggrin.gif

Seriously, congrats on the center.
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post #3341 of 4113
2/22/13 at 4:58pm
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Ok I understand I'll have to make sure it's especially quiet in here, I could see how that would effect things.
^^^ Shhhh! He's hunting 'wabbits'!! wink.gif
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post #3342 of 4113
2/22/13 at 5:12pm
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Yes. Please...this is not rocket science. Audyssey is designed for idiots like the Wilson Audio owners smile.gif

There. Edited for accuracy and I'm not kidding. tongue.gif
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post #3343 of 4113
2/22/13 at 5:34pm
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There. Edited for accuracy and I'm not kidding. tongue.gif

Lol! And I'm still laughing. Hahahaha.
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post #3344 of 4113
2/22/13 at 6:06pm
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Yes. Please...this is not rocket science. Audyssey is designed for idiots like the Kef owners smile.gif

Just kidding.
Dang, and I don't like Audyssey.
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post #3345 of 4113
2/22/13 at 6:36pm
Forget Audyssey.
Did you see what lsdec posted about KEF owners?
Oh yeah, I guess you did....

And since we're on the subject jima4a, why are you posting in the Revel Owners thread?
I thought the KEF Owners thread was over in the trailer park?

So what do y'all think about this timbre thing?
And how many of you know how to pronounce it without googling it?
Just tryin' to keep things friendly round here.
Where's the damn cocktail waitress....
Edited by Milt99 - 2/22/13 at 6:41pm
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post #3346 of 4113
2/22/13 at 6:44pm
I think amazing speakers sound more similar than different, after all they are supposed to reproduce sound. I will throw a shot across the bow and suggest that Kef Blade > Salon2 > 207/2. Of course I will accept any of them if you give them to me.
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post #3347 of 4113
2/22/13 at 6:55pm
Just to show you how unrefined a Kef owner is I am currently amazed at how good Taylor Swift's Red is. I struggled whether to buy it (not a country fan) and I just am just blown away how good it is. There you go, definite proof that Kef owners are uncouth.
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post #3348 of 4113
2/22/13 at 7:13pm
Haha...Revel better get those Performa3's shipping or this thread is gonna get even crazier and completely out of control! I'm bored! smile.gif
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post #3349 of 4113
2/23/13 at 4:10am
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Originally Posted by jima4a View Post

I think amazing speakers sound more similar than different, after all they are supposed to reproduce sound.

I agree. Especially if they are all ultra accurate speakers.
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post #3350 of 4113
2/23/13 at 4:59am
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

I was thinking that if you took a look at that thread it might be another month before you attempted to run Audyssey smile.gif

I would say look for the basic tips like mic placement, number of sweeps to take etc., and then just do it.
You'll learn a lot by doing that and you can digest all of the other stuff over time.

I have my own view on room correction.
All of my views are based on reading and my experience with Anthem ARC.
It can work wonders in acoustically crappy rooms.
It doesn't replace basic acoustic treatments.
I've limited the frequency range that is corrected to 2khz max to 500hz max in various sweeps.
I've come to the conclusion, the lower the better.
I had some real anomalies trying to correct the entire range.
My ARC experience so far, is only on my 7.2 surround system

I plan on running ARC on my living room, 2-channel system tomorrow which could be very interesting I hope.
No sub just a pair of speakers.



I hear you that thread is pretty lengthy. I'm going to run it as soon as I can. Which Anthem are you using Milt?
Edited by comfynumb - 2/23/13 at 5:18am
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post #3351 of 4113
2/23/13 at 5:01am
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^^^ Shhhh! He's hunting 'wabbits'!! wink.gif



Funny!
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post #3352 of 4113
2/23/13 at 5:53am
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post


And since we're on the subject jima4a, why are you posting in the Revel Owners thread?

He's probably thinking about adding Revel to his collection. wink.gif
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post #3353 of 4113
2/23/13 at 10:27am
^^^^^
Jima4a's a good guy I hope he didn't take my dumb alcohol-fueled joke the wrong way.
I usually make a point of not getting on the internet after I've had more than 3-4 cocktails.
I say stupid stuff and buy crap I don't need.
BTW, anyone looking for the Cowsills Complete boxset on 8-track?

KEF makes as good a speaker as anyone.
I don't remember what the model was but I heard some a couple years ago and they were very nice.
Edited by Milt99 - 2/23/13 at 10:34am
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post #3354 of 4113
2/23/13 at 10:30am
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

I hear you that thread is pretty lengthy. I'm going to run it as soon as I can. Which Anthem are you using Milt?
D2 not the latest D2v.
Those units have gotten really expensive.

I bought a D2 and A5 amp off Audiogon several years back, NIB for $6k.
Now I think the D2v alone is like 8 or 9 grand now.

ARC is still the same though.
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post #3355 of 4113
2/23/13 at 11:27am
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

^^^^^
Jima4a's a good guy I hope he didn't take my dumb alcohol-fueled joke the wrong way.
I usually make a point of not getting on the internet after I've had more than 3-4 cocktails.
I say stupid stuff and buy crap I don't need.
BTW, anyone looking for the Cowsills Complete boxset on 8-track?

KEF makes as good a speaker as anyone.
I don't remember what the model was but I heard some a couple years ago and they were very nice.



Lmao! So this was the sober post this morning?
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post #3356 of 4113
2/23/13 at 11:31am
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

D2 not the latest D2v.
Those units have gotten really expensive.

I bought a D2 and A5 amp off Audiogon several years back, NIB for $6k.
Now I think the D2v alone is like 8 or 9 grand now.

ARC is still the same though.



I did the same thing for my 7 channel Sunfire amp, bought it off audiogon and that was 6 years ago, still works like new. I didn't realize those were that much money, so you really did well!
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post #3357 of 4113
2/23/13 at 4:28pm
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Lmao! So this was the sober post this morning?
Yeah. Kinda sad huh?
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post #3358 of 4113
2/24/13 at 12:29am
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

D2 not the latest D2v.
Those units have gotten really expensive.

ARC is still the same though.

You are right about the price increases. I bought a D2V new about 4 years ago. It's about 3G more now.

At the current price I'd have gone with something else.
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post #3359 of 4113
2/24/13 at 8:06am
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

Yeah. Kinda sad huh?


Nope not sad at all, no big deal to me. I like my cocktails and maybe I get more opinionated after several. No harm no foul.
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post #3360 of 4113
2/24/13 at 2:02pm
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Originally Posted by ehlarson View Post

You are right about the price increases. I bought a D2V new about 4 years ago. It's about 3G more now.

At the current price I'd have gone with something else.
Or buy used.
I just picked up another one for dirt cheap, not a D2v but I don't really care, in fact I wish they'd make one without video processing as there
are disc players, projectors and stand alone units that are all great.

IMO, the great thing about the D2 are the audio features.

You gotta hand it to Anthem, many companies have been dashed upon the rocks trying to release a functional pre-pro.
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