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post #3391 of 4107
2/27/13 at 12:06pm
I think RC can make the frequency response "flatter" and the bass "tighter". But in the end, it's our preferences that matter. So if we prefer the sound of "flat" and "tight", then we stick with that. But some like it "hot". biggrin.gif
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post #3392 of 4107
2/27/13 at 12:13pm
thxtheater,
What surprises me most about your ARC graphs, is the plunge in the left speaker at about 7k and the right speaker at about 8k
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post #3393 of 4107
2/27/13 at 2:27pm
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Good to hear you have a positive support system in place...I know there was some discussion earlier about your furniture. There's nothing that could potentially "interfere" with the signal getting to the Audyssey mic? How did you position the mic during measurements...like did you use a tripod or something similar? I made the mistake the first time I ran Audyssey of setting the mic...on a stack of books...about an inch from the seatback. Not the best idea for me haha.

Sorry for all the questions...I just keep coming back to that 250Hz crossover and thinking it should not be like that at all. From the Audyssey setup guide it seems "OK" to adjust the crossover from full band to something to like 80Hz but not in the opposite direction i.e. taking it from 80Hz as suggested and lowering it to full band. From the guide it says that the first crossover setting above the -3dB point as measured by Audyssey is chosen...and there's no way that your F52's -3dB point would be anywhere near 250Hz.

Glad to hear you have been able to sort it out...I was really frustrated at first with Audyssey but eventually was able to do what you did and get something positive from it. Is there any way to "see" the measured frequency response as measured by Audyssey like does your version show any sort of frequency graph on-screen? I would be curious to see that



Your right I did get something out of it, the way it set the dynamic eq at low volume is really enjoyable. I rigged up a stand for them as I didn't have a tripod. But it was ok and nothing in the way. I really just think it was bewildered with my room and just didn't know what to do with my bass and sent every bit of it to my sub. Which stinks because it's only a def tech supercube 1 and IMO is ok for movies but to slow and boomy for music. For a single sub and what I paid I can't complain. All I'm lacking is a good sub and a better amp for the fronts and I'll be in good shape. As far as the graphs, I believe Audyssey saved them, at least I told it too. I'll have to look and try and post them later. Honestly they looked like a dogs lunch, I couldn't figure them out. Thanks for the interest.
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post #3394 of 4107
2/27/13 at 9:36pm
Well Comfy, might be time to dig into the Audyssey thread.
Perhaps there'll be someone else who had your same experience and can give some guidance.
Or you can just post your experience and someone will reply.
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post #3395 of 4107
2/28/13 at 4:18am
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Well Comfy, might be time to dig into the Audyssey thread.
Perhaps there'll be someone else who had your same experience and can give some guidance.
Or you can just post your experience and someone will reply.



Hey Milt, I've been talking with mr Deacon from d-sonic, that's who I got the Revel's from. Great price if anyone's interested. He's been a big help, and uses ARC. I put my speakers back to normal and no more bi amping for me as I believe that was why Audyssey was telling me I had the polarity reversed on them. Which is impossible. But I'm going to run it again and see what it says. I'll do some more reading beforehand. At least it's fun to me, I enjoy the challenge.
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post #3396 of 4107
2/28/13 at 8:00am
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thxtheater,
What surprises me most about your ARC graphs, is the plunge in the left speaker at about 7k and the right speaker at about 8k

Me too. Evidently that's a characteristic of the EQ measured responses and the angle of the speakers. Mine are basically head on and have only a very light toe-in. I've asked that question on the Anthem forum. What I love about ARC is the graphs before and after and you can also do real-time EQ. It's a very powerful and slick system.

Another thing regarding the highs has to do with the fact that ARC by default only goes up to 5000kHz. I recall a segment by Kevin Voecks that I had found here on this blog: http://www.pooraudiophile.com/2009/07/subwoofer-equalization.html that talked about the merits of subwoofer EQ and how you can get great EQ in the lower frequencies but the results are not as good with the higher frequencies. I interpreted that as you can start to hear the EQ layer. I've fooled with putting the EQ up to 15,000. I think there's something to be said for that. It wasn't necessarily bad. It was just different.
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post #3397 of 4107
2/28/13 at 11:33am
I've had some very interesting experiences with ARC in the past as I installed it when it first came out.
Will post details later, btw, I agree with Kevin Voecks on this one.

Given the graph that ARC is displaying I would highly discourage you from setting the freq any higher than 5k.
If you crank up the volume, ARC is going to boost the volume in order to make up for the difference between the measured curve and the corrected curve.
If a sharp transient comes along your amp could clip and blow your tweeter.
It happened to me and I have a fairly powerful amp with decent headroom.

I've since set the freq 500hz below the x-over point to the tweeter.
Sounds much better plus there were other anomalies when I tried to correct to 20khz.
Sounds cool in the abstract but my real world system told me different.
JMO, but I'm convinced there is a limit to the processing capabilities\capacity of ARC and of room correction software in general.
Edited by Milt99 - 2/28/13 at 3:57pm
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post #3398 of 4107
2/28/13 at 4:46pm
Who would have thought room correction was even possible when I started out years ago. My sons idea of room correction is a pair of skull candy headphones. Blast you mp3 you've ruined everything.
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post #3399 of 4107
2/28/13 at 6:47pm
Room correction absolutely is a boon BUT it is an adjunct to room treatment and speaker placement, not a replacement or a panacea that cures all ills.
I know that you guys know this but like everything else associated with getting the most out of your system it takes time and experimentation.

What's really cool is that there is so much really fine audio\video gear being produced today by so many companies large, small and in between.
I remember reading a few years about the "Death of High-End Audio", the aging demographic, the plague of iPods, earbuds, mp3, the death of the traditional boutique stores and all of that.
I never really understood the hand wringing.

Audio has been a prime interest of mine for 40 years and in my opinion the state of audio has never been better and further not even close.
I bought a stereo before I bought a car and I could've bought a really nice car for what I spent on my first system in 1972.
People thought I was a real oddball, still do. wink.gif
But the fact is the hardest part of selecting a system today is all of the choices you have.
There has never been more great gear to choose from and I think that that you almost have to be willful and\or pig-headed to get something truly bad.

Seriously, is an equivalently priced KEF, Dali, Revel, Paradigm, Martin-Logan, Dynaudio, B&W, Harbeth, Vandersteen, Magnapan or any number of speakers I've left out going to sound like sh!t?
No way.
It's all about preference, priorities and the deal you get.
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post #3400 of 4107
3/1/13 at 3:44am
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

Room correction absolutely is a boon BUT it is an adjunct to room treatment and speaker placement, not a replacement or a panacea that cures all ills.
I know that you guys know this but like everything else associated with getting the most out of your system it takes time and experimentation.

What's really cool is that there is so much really fine audio\video gear being produced today by so many companies large, small and in between.
I remember reading a few years about the "Death of High-End Audio", the aging demographic, the plague of iPods, earbuds, mp3, the death of the traditional boutique stores and all of that.
I never really understood the hand wringing.

Audio has been a prime interest of mine for 40 years and in my opinion the state of audio has never been better and further not even close.
I bought a stereo before I bought a car and I could've bought a really nice car for what I spent on my first system in 1972.
People thought I was a real oddball, still do. wink.gif
But the fact is the hardest part of selecting a system today is all of the choices you have.
There has never been more great gear to choose from and I think that that you almost have to be willful and\or pig-headed to get something truly bad.

Seriously, is an equivalently priced KEF, Dali, Revel, Paradigm, Martin-Logan, Dynaudio, B&W, Harbeth, Vandersteen, Magnapan or any number of speakers I've left out going to sound like sh!t?
No way.
It's all about preference, priorities and the deal you get.



I agree, there are so many choices in high end gear anymore. I remember when the choices were few, and the market was ruled by Yamaha, Macintosh, B&O and others that were so pricey high end was almost untouchable for most. So many choices now, and you can even buy good used gear. Like my Sunfire amp I bought for half price 7 years ago and it still works perfect.
Edited by comfynumb - 3/1/13 at 7:06am
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post #3401 of 4107
3/1/13 at 7:04am
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Seriously, is an equivalently priced KEF, Dali, Revel, Paradigm, Martin-Logan, Dynaudio, B&W, Harbeth, Vandersteen, Magnapan or any number of speakers I've left out going to sound like sh!t?
No way.
It's all about preference, priorities and the deal you get.

I agree 100%. Some people believe that only a few brands are truly great, but I agree with you. biggrin.gif
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post #3402 of 4107
3/5/13 at 4:08am
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I agree 100%. Some people believe that only a few brands are truly great, but I agree with you. biggrin.gif
But it all depends on one's hearing...the reason for so many different brands, we all hear differently.

Over the years, I've read reviews about speaker X, Y as to how good they were. And when I finally did audition them, I thought, not as good as what I already have. But that was my own personal opinion.
Some high end speakers, like B&W, don't do it for me at all. Generally speaking, I don't like British speakers anyway. Much prefer Canadian speakers, of the ones I've heard. And Harman brands, with the common link between being Floyd Toole and Sean Olive's input to both.
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post #3403 of 4107
3/5/13 at 5:45am
Looking for feedback on M105/106 bookshelves. Are they worth the 1500-2000 pricepoint??
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post #3404 of 4107
3/5/13 at 5:55am
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But it all depends on one's hearing...the reason for so many different brands, we all hear differently.

Over the years, I've read reviews about speaker X, Y as to how good they were. And when I finally did audition them, I thought, not as good as what I already have. But that was my own personal opinion.
Some high end speakers, like B&W, don't do it for me at all. Generally speaking, I don't like British speakers anyway. Much prefer Canadian speakers, of the ones I've heard. And Harman brands, with the common link between being Floyd Toole and Sean Olive's input to both.

Did you listen to the B&W and all those British speakers in the same room and same setup as your Revel?

It's possible that some speakers don't sound as good as other speakers in certain rooms. But when you place them in a more fitting environment, they may sound as great as any speakers.

The problem with most auditions is that they are at stores. Even when the stores have so-called room treatments with acoustic panels, it may not be enough or correct. In addition, the setup may be entirely different than your own room and setup. And the comparison is done by pure memory. IOW, it's never a fair comparison unless its side-by-side in the same room and same setup.
Edited by AcuDefTechGuy - 3/5/13 at 6:01am
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post #3405 of 4107
3/6/13 at 8:42pm
First time poster here. I bought some Revel C205, M105, and M106 in Walnut today. Now it will be an eager wait. I am going to pair these with an SVS PC12 Plus sub that I already own. I will also power them with an Onkyo 805. I am hoping that will be enough power for now at around 130WPC. I am coming off some of circuit citys finest Polks from 2005 so this is my first foray into higher end speakers. I am excited...been reading this thread for hours...
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post #3406 of 4107
3/7/13 at 3:48am
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First time poster here. I bought some Revel C205, M105, and M106 in Walnut today. Now it will be an eager wait. I am going to pair these with an SVS PC12 Plus sub that I already own. I will also power them with an Onkyo 805. I am hoping that will be enough power for now at around 130WPC. I am coming off some of circuit citys finest Polks from 2005 so this is my first foray into higher end speakers. I am excited...been reading this thread for hours...



Welcome and congrats on your choice. Although I've only owned my Revel fronts a short time I think you'll find as I did that they are hard to beat. Very very revealing of what you have upstream with media being the biggest challenge IMO. If you have a good recording it really shows up and theres no sugar coating the fact that mediocre media sounds even worse through them. I'm thinking your Onkyo should be fine for now or maybe thats all you need, it's not like it's low wattage. Best of luck to you.
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post #3407 of 4107
3/7/13 at 8:18am
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First time poster here. I bought some Revel C205, M105, and M106 in Walnut today. Now it will be an eager wait. I am going to pair these with an SVS PC12 Plus sub that I already own. I will also power them with an Onkyo 805. I am hoping that will be enough power for now at around 130WPC. I am coming off some of circuit citys finest Polks from 2005 so this is my first foray into higher end speakers. I am excited...been reading this thread for hours...

Very nice. Congrats!

I'm sure 130wpc is plenty, especially if you set the speakers to Small and let your SVS sub handle all the bass.

Nice upgrade from the Polk. You are in high-end territory now. biggrin.gif
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post #3408 of 4107
3/8/13 at 12:46pm
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Originally Posted by Adim X View Post

First time poster here. I bought some Revel C205, M105, and M106 in Walnut today. Now it will be an eager wait. I am going to pair these with an SVS PC12 Plus sub that I already own. I will also power them with an Onkyo 805. I am hoping that will be enough power for now at around 130WPC. I am coming off some of circuit citys finest Polks from 2005 so this is my first foray into higher end speakers. I am excited...been reading this thread for hours...

Congrats!

Just out of curiosity, did you consider getting the F206 instead of the M106 & M105 now and maybe getting the M105 later?

Not sure what your setup is but that thought just came in my head.
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post #3409 of 4107
3/8/13 at 5:49pm
Just ordered 2 of the new Emotiva XPA-1L monoblock amps.
35 watts Class A, switchable Class A A\B operation via front toggle.
Auto-switches to A\B operation above 35 watts.
250 watts @ 8 ohms, 500 watts @ 4 ohms.

I wish the transformer was a little beefier, 450 VA, and more capacitors @ 90,000 uF.
But then it would more expensive

From the pics looks to be 16 transistors per channel which is very good, not Pass Labs good but still good.
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post #3410 of 4107
3/8/13 at 7:08pm
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Congrats!

Just out of curiosity, did you consider getting the F206 instead of the M106 & M105 now and maybe getting the M105 later?

Not sure what your setup is but that thought just came in my head.

Thank you,

The F206 are out of my budget at this time and I already own an SVS PC12 Plus sub, so I really don't need full range speaker. Although....they look pretty and I can see them in my future. I think for now I am going to concentrate on some sound treatments and any little wiring tweaks/upgrades to clean things up, I am on a monoprice's finest kind of budget for that stuff.

My current setup is
Home system:
Receiver: Onkyo TX-SR805
Speakers: Polk RTi8, CS400, RTi15
Subwoofer: SVS PC12-Plus
Source & Accessories: XBMC HTPC, Xbox, Sony BDP-S580
Television: Panasonic PX5075U
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post #3411 of 4107
3/8/13 at 7:38pm
^^^^^
Smart man.
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post #3412 of 4107
3/9/13 at 7:15am
The M106 + M105 = $3500. F206 = $3500.

But if u like the bookshelf it's great too.

I personally prefer full range mains but everyone is different.
Edited by lsdec - 3/9/13 at 7:31am
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post #3413 of 4107
3/9/13 at 10:04am
I may be interested in purchasing a pair of Revel F12s, but I don't find them anywhere online. It may be because they are a niche product, but still I'm quite surprised that in this age you can't find something anywhere online for sale. Are you aware of any online seller? If not, the only way to buy them is from a local dealer? Do you have any idea about a ballpark price for that pair? Thanks!
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post #3414 of 4107
3/9/13 at 10:14am
Did you look at a little known site called eBay? wink.gif
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Revel-Concerta-F12-Tower-Speakers-Immaculate-/330877468897?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item4d09d580e1

Or this other one called Audiogon?

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/full-range-revel-f12-speakers-imacculate-2013-02-18-speakers-73072-norman-ok

Looks like the same speakers.

Excuse me I didn't realize these were still being made!

For online, go to the Dsonic web site, Dennis sells Revels and is by all accounts a good guy.
HTH
Edited by Milt99 - 3/9/13 at 10:20am
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post #3415 of 4107
3/9/13 at 10:36am
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Did you look at a little known site called eBay? wink.gif
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Revel-Concerta-F12-Tower-Speakers-Immaculate-/330877468897?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item4d09d580e1

Or this other one called Audiogon?

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/full-range-revel-f12-speakers-imacculate-2013-02-18-speakers-73072-norman-ok

Looks like the same speakers.

Excuse me I didn't realize these were still being made!

For online, go to the Dsonic web site, Dennis sells Revels and is by all accounts a good guy.
HTH



Hey Milt, I saw them when I was looking for fronts. A guy has brand new M towers also. I don't know how he could be authorized for that, from what I know Mr D is the only authorized online Revel dealer. But yeah more Revel's on there than I thought there would be. Have a great day.
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post #3416 of 4107
3/9/13 at 11:04am
Yes, I did notice the ebay speakers. But I want to buy them new, so I didn't pursue that option. I will try the Dsonic website. However, I still find it quite strange that they don' t sell them on amazon, for instance. I guess that there must be some explanation for that, but I'm curious what that would be. Anyway, thanks for the links.
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post #3417 of 4107
3/9/13 at 11:07am
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Yes, I did notice the ebay speakers. But I want to buy them new, so I didn't pursue that option. I will try the Dsonic website. However, I still find it quite strange that they don' t sell them on amazon, for instance. I guess that there must be some explanation for that, but I'm curious what that would be. Anyway, thanks for the links.



I don't think they want to cheapen the brand name so to speak by letting a bunch of online sites sell them. I just bought my F52's from D-Sonic, a great price and I highly recommend them.
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post #3418 of 4107
3/9/13 at 11:42am
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I don't think they want to cheapen the brand name so to speak by letting a bunch of online sites sell them. I just bought my F52's from D-Sonic, a great price and I highly recommend them.

I just contacted the guys at D-Sonic and I got the quotes for F12, F206 and F208. I'm wondering now whether the difference in quality between the F12 and the Performa3s is worth the price. I've read in several places that the F12s are the best value for the money, but since I could afford the other ones as well, I do wonder which way I should go. Unfortunately, there's no dealer here in Tampa where I could go and listen to them. These questions may have been answered somewhere in this thread, but it would take me a few days to read it all.
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post #3419 of 4107
3/9/13 at 12:14pm
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I just contacted the guys at D-Sonic and I got the quotes for F12, F206 and F208. I'm wondering now whether the difference in quality between the F12 and the Performa3s is worth the price. I've read in several places that the F12s are the best value for the money, but since I could afford the other ones as well, I do wonder which way I should go. Unfortunately, there's no dealer here in Tampa where I could go and listen to them. These questions may have been answered somewhere in this thread, but it would take me a few days to read it all.



All I can say is mine are amazing, set up in an acoustically unfriendly room and they still sound great. The new line is getting some good reviews also. I took a chance by not hearing them first, but the reviews for the 52's were so high and the guys on this thread helped me a bunch. I was not sorry wink.gif
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post #3420 of 4107
3/9/13 at 4:23pm
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I just contacted the guys at D-Sonic and I got the quotes for F12, F206 and F208. I'm wondering now whether the difference in quality between the F12 and the Performa3s is worth the price. I've read in several places that the F12s are the best value for the money, but since I could afford the other ones as well, I do wonder which way I should go. Unfortunately, there's no dealer here in Tampa where I could go and listen to them. These questions may have been answered somewhere in this thread, but it would take me a few days to read it all.

I'm sure there is someone who prolly upgraded from the F12 to the F208.

You should go the way of the F208. smile.gif
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