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post #3661 of 6860
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Originally Posted by Gugu_s View Post

Hi, I would like to ask for a few recommendations. I'm using a Concerta F12/C12 speaker combo, but due to upgraditis (searching the audio nirvana biggrin.gif ) I'm considering replaceing them. I love the way my speaker sound, but I would like to get a little more. I've Parasound Halo Pre/Pro-Amp, so I dont want to upgrade there.
The possibilities are the following in my price range:
- Revel Ultima1 Studio used (bit pricey, and I dont know how good it is actually compared to newer models, but I love the Revel sound)
- Revel Performa F52 used ( I think this would be a nice improvement, pricewise it's okay, and not as huge as Ultima)
- Revel Performa3 F206, which costs a bit more than the F52 used, but I don't know which would be better for my usage.

I have a Velodyne DD-15 high-end Sub, so bass extension is not a concern, and my room is 15x9 feet, so it's not a huge room. smile.gif

My other possibilities:
- Focal Electra 1008 Be, which is standmount, but given the Sub, sonically it could be a nice setup. And the local dealer is giving me a pair for in-home demo next week. Be tweeters sounds interesting
- Paradigm Signature series might be also interesting, pricewise it is the same as Focal Electra series (stand mount or floorstanding)

And the last wish would be the Ultima Gem2, used, but I haven't seen one here in Europe, just a fairly new one, for around 9000$ which is way out of my budget. frown.gif Although, I think it would be the best choice.

Please everyone, give your advice, the most interesting question would be how does the Performa 3 to the F52 compare, are they the same?

Thanks for the help in advance.
Gustav

I'm no Revel expert, but the F206 is nowhere near the size of the F52, nor does it come close to the number of drivers. But, your room is not big and you have a great sub to ensure bass extension. So, I don't see how you can decide without actually listening to both, comparing the mids and highs, as well as imaging and soundstage.
post #3662 of 6860
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Originally Posted by Gugu_s View Post

Hi, I would like to ask for a few recommendations. I'm using a Concerta F12/C12 speaker combo, but due to upgraditis (searching the audio nirvana biggrin.gif ) I'm considering replaceing them. I love the way my speaker sound, but I would like to get a little more. I've Parasound Halo Pre/Pro-Amp, so I dont want to upgrade there.
The possibilities are the following in my price range:
- Revel Ultima1 Studio used (bit pricey, and I dont know how good it is actually compared to newer models, but I love the Revel sound)
- Revel Performa F52 used ( I think this would be a nice improvement, pricewise it's okay, and not as huge as Ultima)
- Revel Performa3 F206, which costs a bit more than the F52 used, but I don't know which would be better for my usage.

I have a Velodyne DD-15 high-end Sub, so bass extension is not a concern, and my room is 15x9 feet, so it's not a huge room. smile.gif

My other possibilities:
- Focal Electra 1008 Be, which is standmount, but given the Sub, sonically it could be a nice setup. And the local dealer is giving me a pair for in-home demo next week. Be tweeters sounds interesting
- Paradigm Signature series might be also interesting, pricewise it is the same as Focal Electra series (stand mount or floorstanding)

And the last wish would be the Ultima Gem2, used, but I haven't seen one here in Europe, just a fairly new one, for around 9000$ which is way out of my budget. frown.gif Although, I think it would be the best choice.

Please everyone, give your advice, the most interesting question would be how does the Performa 3 to the F52 compare, are they the same?

Thanks for the help in advance.
Gustav



If you don't get your answer from a forum member I'd email Mr Deacon from D-Sonic about the difference between the Revel lines. He had posted a couple of pages ago about the sound quality of the new line, and he is an authorized Revel dealer. That's where i purchased my 52's a couple of months ago.
post #3663 of 6860
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Originally Posted by neutralguy View Post

AcuDef, just checked out your Youtube. Do you listen to your speakers lined up like that, or do you place one pair differently when you listen? I wonder if they're close enough to each other to cause boundary reinforcement.

The towers are already 3 ft from the front wall, but I do pull them out a little more when critically listening.
post #3664 of 6860
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Funny! Do you have a pair of diamonds also?

Yes, pair of 802 Diamonds (D2). biggrin.gif
post #3665 of 6860
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Originally Posted by lsdec View Post

F206 with the Mcintosh MC452 sounded great...

$7500 amp w/ $3000 speakers? smile.gif

How much did the speaker cables cost? $10,000 ? smile.gif
post #3666 of 6860
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Originally Posted by Gugu_s View Post

Hi, I would like to ask for a few recommendations. I'm using a Concerta F12/C12 speaker combo, but due to upgraditis (searching the audio nirvana biggrin.gif ) I'm considering replaceing them. I love the way my speaker sound, but I would like to get a little more. I've Parasound Halo Pre/Pro-Amp, so I dont want to upgrade there.
The possibilities are the following in my price range:
- Revel Ultima1 Studio used (bit pricey, and I dont know how good it is actually compared to newer models, but I love the Revel sound)
- Revel Performa F52 used ( I think this would be a nice improvement, pricewise it's okay, and not as huge as Ultima)
- Revel Performa3 F206, which costs a bit more than the F52 used, but I don't know which would be better for my usage.

I have a Velodyne DD-15 high-end Sub, so bass extension is not a concern, and my room is 15x9 feet, so it's not a huge room. smile.gif

My other possibilities:
- Focal Electra 1008 Be, which is standmount, but given the Sub, sonically it could be a nice setup. And the local dealer is giving me a pair for in-home demo next week. Be tweeters sounds interesting
- Paradigm Signature series might be also interesting, pricewise it is the same as Focal Electra series (stand mount or floorstanding)

And the last wish would be the Ultima Gem2, used, but I haven't seen one here in Europe, just a fairly new one, for around 9000$ which is way out of my budget. frown.gif Although, I think it would be the best choice.

Please everyone, give your advice, the most interesting question would be how does the Performa 3 to the F52 compare, are they the same?

Thanks for the help in advance.
Gustav

I would vote for the F52 ($7,000 MSRP).
post #3667 of 6860
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Yes, pair of 802 Diamonds (D2). biggrin.gif



Awesome, are they in another room?
post #3668 of 6860
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Awesome, are they in another room?

I wish I had a room for each set. But alas, I only have 2 rooms. frown.gif

My wife has agreed to a custom built home after we pay off this 3rd property investment in Southern California. eek.gif

So the 802D2 are right next to the Salon2 for now..... Until another time. biggrin.gif


Edited by AcuDefTechGuy - 4/21/13 at 7:12am
post #3669 of 6860
I would think there are still some of the F32 or F52's left. I only have mine a couple months and they were an absolute steal.
Edited by comfynumb - 4/21/13 at 7:15am
post #3670 of 6860
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

I wish I had a room for each set. But alas, I only have 2 rooms. frown.gif

So the 802D2 are right next to the Salon2.



Ok I see them now, I was looking at one of your other videos. Do the ones on the end have their own subwoofer?
post #3671 of 6860
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Ok I see them now, I was looking at one of your other videos. Do the ones on the end have their own subwoofer?

The Orion have dual RBH Reference SX-1010N subs. The Salon2, 802D2, KEF 201/2, & TAD 2201 all share dual Funk Audio 18.0 subs (via ADCOM speaker selector).
post #3672 of 6860
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

$7500 amp w/ $3000 speakers? smile.gif

How much did the speaker cables cost? $10,000 ? smile.gif

$3500 speakers. The speaker cable cost $9500. Silly man. smile.gif

Just replace the $7500 Mcintosh with the $1699 Emo XPR-2.
Edited by lsdec - 4/21/13 at 8:13am
post #3673 of 6860
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

The Orion have dual RBH Reference SX-1010N subs. The Salon2, 802D2, KEF 201/2, & TAD 2201 all share dual Funk Audio 18.0 subs (via ADCOM speaker selector).

All speaker selectors sound the same smile.gif. Radio shack has a $3 version. Lol.
post #3674 of 6860
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Originally Posted by lsdec View Post

Radio shack has a $3 version. Lol.
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Originally Posted by lsdec View Post

$1699 Emo XPR-2.

I'm way too cool for Radio Shack & Emotiva. cool.gif
post #3675 of 6860
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post


I'm way too cool for Radio Shack & Emotiva. cool.gif

You got me there AccuDEAFtechguy. smile.gif
post #3676 of 6860
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Originally Posted by Gugu_s View Post

Hi, I would like to ask for a few recommendations. I'm using a Concerta F12/C12 speaker combo, but due to upgraditis (searching the audio nirvana biggrin.gif ) I'm considering replaceing them. I love the way my speaker sound, but I would like to get a little more. I've Parasound Halo Pre/Pro-Amp, so I dont want to upgrade there.
The possibilities are the following in my price range:
- Revel Ultima1 Studio used (bit pricey, and I dont know how good it is actually compared to newer models, but I love the Revel sound)
- Revel Performa F52 used ( I think this would be a nice improvement, pricewise it's okay, and not as huge as Ultima)
- Revel Performa3 F206, which costs a bit more than the F52 used, but I don't know which would be better for my usage.

I have a Velodyne DD-15 high-end Sub, so bass extension is not a concern, and my room is 15x9 feet, so it's not a huge room. smile.gif

My other possibilities:
- Focal Electra 1008 Be, which is standmount, but given the Sub, sonically it could be a nice setup. And the local dealer is giving me a pair for in-home demo next week. Be tweeters sounds interesting
- Paradigm Signature series might be also interesting, pricewise it is the same as Focal Electra series (stand mount or floorstanding)

And the last wish would be the Ultima Gem2, used, but I haven't seen one here in Europe, just a fairly new one, for around 9000$ which is way out of my budget. frown.gif Although, I think it would be the best choice.

Please everyone, give your advice, the most interesting question would be how does the Performa 3 to the F52 compare, are they the same?

Thanks for the help in advance.
Gustav
Of course they are not the same. It's hard to advise without knowing the prices you're looking at. But I don't see why if you can fit the Salon1 why you wouldn't also consider the F208.

You also should tell us your priorities. Ultimately, I would cross out the Salon1. I think F206 vs. F52 would be interesting. The F206 is a great speaker, but it sounds "small" to me. If you want scale and dynamics...then consider the F52. If it were me, though, I'd probably be looking at the F206 if I couldn't swing the F208.
post #3677 of 6860
I agree with that as well. Unless you have $30,000 monoblocks, then just get the M105. smile.gif

In all seriousness, the F52, F206 and F208s are all great upgrades. I recently bought a pair of F12s for my surrounds and just for kicks put them next to the F208s.

If you never upgraded the F12s I would understand bc they are very nice speakers. The midrange is probably the best part on the F12s..very smooth. But there is no doubt that the F208s are all around superior, especially the bass. Just a lot tighter with more weight - like I said before, the best part of the F208s. The F208s don't have any weaknesses, it's as far as Revel could take with the Performa line without overlapping with the Ultima2s.
post #3678 of 6860
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

The Orion have dual RBH Reference SX-1010N subs. The Salon2, 802D2, KEF 201/2, & TAD 2201 all share dual Funk Audio 18.0 subs (via ADCOM speaker selector).



Very nice, they are an interesting looking speaker smile.gif
Edited by comfynumb - 4/21/13 at 12:35pm
post #3679 of 6860
Thank you everyone, for your fast responses. smile.gif

Just like you told me, I rolled out the Ultima1, too big, and too old.
I know I'm in my beloved Revel owners thread, but why was nobody saying anything positive about the Focals ?? biggrin.gif anyway, next week I will be able to post some review about how those Be Focals behaved in my room.

The problem is, I've seen a used F52, around 3500$, plus shipping which is hard in Europe. (I havent found anybody who is willing to transport them (42 kg each) to Hungary. ) The Focal standmounts are around 4k, the Paradigm S2 standmounts also 4k $. (Both have Berillyium ). I have contacted the hungarian Revel dealer through email, but no answer yet, but here in Europe the F206 is around 5500 $ frown.giffrown.gif So now you see, why I cant have the F208, I just cant afford it (it would cost 8 grand), and because I have the Digital Drive 15", I don't think I would get much improvement from the 208...

So this is my situation right now...
post #3680 of 6860
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Originally Posted by Gugu_s View Post

Thank you everyone, for your fast responses. smile.gif

Just like you told me, I rolled out the Ultima1, too big, and too old.
I know I'm in my beloved Revel owners thread, but why was nobody saying anything positive about the Focals ?? biggrin.gif anyway, next week I will be able to post some review about how those Be Focals behaved in my room.

The problem is, I've seen a used F52, around 3500$, plus shipping which is hard in Europe. (I havent found anybody who is willing to transport them (42 kg each) to Hungary. ) The Focal standmounts are around 4k, the Paradigm S2 standmounts also 4k $. (Both have Berillyium ). I have contacted the hungarian Revel dealer through email, but no answer yet, but here in Europe the F206 is around 5500 $ frown.giffrown.gif So now you see, why I cant have the F208, I just cant afford it (it would cost 8 grand), and because I have the Digital Drive 15", I don't think I would get much improvement from the 208...

So this is my situation right now...



I didn't realize you were from Hungary, your English is perfect and would have never known smile.gif I nearly bought a pair of Focals off Audiogon a few months ago. I was looking at several different speakers at the time. Which ones do you have? Can't you get an American dealer to ship them to you?
post #3681 of 6860
Thanks for the compliment. Currently I own the Revel Concerta F12, but the Focal dealer is a really good dealer, they are doing their best. So they going to let me home-demo the Focal Electra Be 2 1008 standmounts. The reviews are excellent about this speaker, but my problem is that I've already heard the Focal Grand Utopia's and they didn't blow me away, which is strange given they are around 200.000 $ (it was a rare opportunity, to listen to them) Sonically the Electra's should be the same, anyway I will give them another chance with my room, my system, etc., maybe I will fell in love with the Focal sound the second time. smile.gif

Now the Revel dealer on the other hand is not so kind, but I'm still waiting for his answer as well.
post #3682 of 6860
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Originally Posted by Gugu_s View Post

Thanks for the compliment. Currently I own the Revel Concerta F12, but the Focal dealer is a really good dealer, they are doing their best. So they going to let me home-demo the Focal Electra Be 2 1008 standmounts. The reviews are excellent about this speaker, but my problem is that I've already heard the Focal Grand Utopia's and they didn't blow me away, which is strange given they are around 200.000 $ (it was a rare opportunity, to listen to them) Sonically the Electra's should be the same, anyway I will give them another chance with my room, my system, etc., maybe I will fell in love with the Focal sound the second time. smile.gif

Now the Revel dealer on the other hand is not so kind, but I'm still waiting for his answer as well.



Ok I understand. I sent you a PM for another option, just a suggestion.
post #3683 of 6860
The Hungarian Revel dealer answered, he seemed to be kind of nice, they will have the Performa3 line in 2-3 weeks, and available for demo in their showroom.

One of the German dealer also answered, but it was quite strange what he said:
The Performa F52 is not going to be replaced, it stays in production, and the F208 only replaces the F32. Now, as I see on the Revel webpage, this doesn't seem to be true, but this is what he told me. I would like to ask Kevin sometime, if this is true or not...
post #3684 of 6860
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Originally Posted by Gugu_s View Post

The Hungarian Revel dealer answered, he seemed to be kind of nice, they will have the Performa3 line in 2-3 weeks, and available for demo in their showroom.

One of the German dealer also answered, but it was quite strange what he said:
The Performa F52 is not going to be replaced, it stays in production, and the F208 only replaces the F32. Now, as I see on the Revel webpage, this doesn't seem to be true, but this is what he told me. I would like to ask Kevin sometime, if this is true or not...



Or send an email to the address I gave you, I'm almost positive if it's off Revels page they are or will be discontinued. But he'll know for sure. Good luck smile.gif
post #3685 of 6860
Truwarrior22,

The C208 center channel is 100% compatible with the F206 as well as the F208 L/R loudspeakers.

Enjoy!
Kevin
post #3686 of 6860
Comfynumb,

I acknowledge that we have failed to make it known that the Revel policy is to bring in competitors for each of our models during development, based on a similar price range and recommendations from our dealers, distributors and press reviews. We compare them in the world's only position-independent, double-blind listening facility. We do not approve production until we have proven our superiority, not just in our extensive objective measurements, but also in carefully conducted listening tests. The "competitors" always include our previous models. The F208 handily outperforms the F52 in these tests. In fact, the F206 outperforms the F52 in every way except ultimate LF extension and absolute output capability. The difference in LF extension would not likely be noticed outside of such a sensitive test. (The speakers currently playing are moved into the same position in a matter of a few seconds.) Our testing process not only removes extraneous "nuisance variables" like position-dependence and sighted listening, but importantly, it brings the differences into sharp relief. Our engineering team can't resist putting more-expensive speakers in these tests, and in fact, the F208 beat speakers over $25,000/pair in these controlled listening tests.

Happy listening!

Kevin
post #3687 of 6860
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Originally Posted by avkv View Post

Comfynumb,

I acknowledge that we have failed to make it known that the Revel policy is to bring in competitors for each of our models during development, based on a similar price range and recommendations from our dealers, distributors and press reviews. We compare them in the world's only position-independent, double-blind listening facility. We do not approve production until we have proven our superiority, not just in our extensive objective measurements, but also in carefully conducted listening tests. The "competitors" always include our previous models. The F208 handily outperforms the F52 in these tests. In fact, the F206 outperforms the F52 in every way except ultimate LF extension and absolute output capability. The difference in LF extension would not likely be noticed outside of such a sensitive test. (The speakers currently playing are moved into the same position in a matter of a few seconds.) Our testing process not only removes extraneous "nuisance variables" like position-dependence and sighted listening, but importantly, it brings the differences into sharp relief. Our engineering team can't resist putting more-expensive speakers in these tests, and in fact, the F208 beat speakers over $25,000/pair in these controlled listening tests.

Happy listening!

Kevin
Illuminating.
The F208 handily outperforms the F52 in these tests.
Wait... do I sense a pair of F52s being posted on Audiogon? wink.gif

Kevin, please don't post the same about F208s compared to Studio2s.
Let me live in blissful sonic ignorance at least until the Studio3s are released.
post #3688 of 6860
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Originally Posted by avkv View Post

Comfynumb,

I acknowledge that we have failed to make it known that the Revel policy is to bring in competitors for each of our models during development, based on a similar price range and recommendations from our dealers, distributors and press reviews. We compare them in the world's only position-independent, double-blind listening facility. We do not approve production until we have proven our superiority, not just in our extensive objective measurements, but also in carefully conducted listening tests. The "competitors" always include our previous models. The F208 handily outperforms the F52 in these tests. In fact, the F206 outperforms the F52 in every way except ultimate LF extension and absolute output capability. The difference in LF extension would not likely be noticed outside of such a sensitive test. (The speakers currently playing are moved into the same position in a matter of a few seconds.) Our testing process not only removes extraneous "nuisance variables" like position-dependence and sighted listening, but importantly, it brings the differences into sharp relief. Our engineering team can't resist putting more-expensive speakers in these tests, and in fact, the F208 beat speakers over $25,000/pair in these controlled listening tests.

Happy listening!

Kevin

I believe you are embellishing here. The B&W 800D2 that "our" F208 beat was at $20,000 MSRP. Martin Logan at $10,000. Unless, you brought in the new 800 Diamonds or others. biggrin.gif.

If they are so good, then raise the prices smile.gif. Oh yeah, I already got mine. Lol.

Even though I own the F208, I would like to remind the F52 owners that your speakers are still excellent. Handily is a relative term and what could be deemed as significant differences to AVKV may only mean slightly better for others etc.

I'll be awaiting my new F208 boxes since mine were thoroughly put thru the meat grinder.
Edited by lsdec - 4/24/13 at 7:28pm
post #3689 of 6860
We tried to tell some of you re the F208, but no...the "point at the specs" or "where it's manufactured" or "why did they lower the price" crowd of know it alls had to chime in...none of which probably even heard the speakers. But that's the internet for ya.

Meanwhile, those of us in the know...have had a big smile ear to ear since we got our F208s over the last several weeks. They are truly special speakers. I struggle to ever remember being this thoroughly entranced with anything I've ever demo'd much less actually owned. I've been scrambling to find more and more music to play, and people who have come to my house to listen are simply blown away by the sound.

If I were considering speakers, I'd look long and hard at the F208s guys...Kevin & team have hit a home run.
post #3690 of 6860
Is the salon 2 and studio 2 more forward or laid back then the 208?

I'm used to bipolar towers, so it hard trying to get back to the monopole sound stage. Looking to demo KEF next since they use an interesting mid/tweeter setup. Thinking the sound maybe more klipsch sounding with better mids.
Edited by truwarrior22 - 4/24/13 at 10:14pm
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