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post #3961 of 6812
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Originally Posted by duc135 View Post

Not all pro amps roll off that high just as not all consumer amps will roll off below that. I'm not too sure about my Behringer EPX4000, but my QSC and LG clone don't start rolling off until 5Hz. Plenty low enough for me since my MiniDSP can only go down to 10Hz anyway. You have to look at the chain as a whole also. Your source devices may not even be sending the full bandwidth either. All that being said I don't thin the EPX4000 filters at 20Hz as I have read about many people's project going pretty low into the teens using that amp. Not that it matters much to me since my mid bass bins are probably only good to the high teens if even that. Last time I measured them I know they were pretty flat to 20Hz, but I don't remember how quickly they dropped off after that.



I'll have to look into this more, but I know that that Crown amps have filters at 20Hz. I would like to go down below 20Hz if I can.
post #3962 of 6812
I own the F-32 and the F-208 and both of them are in another league then that of the F-12.
The F-12 is an entry level speaker that is multiples downward from the Performa 2 or Performer 3 series. The F-12 is a musical speaker but seriously below the performance either of the aforementioned speakers. The F-208 is a descendant of the Ultima series Studio2 speaker with similar sound and performance diameters. The fact that Revel has allowed this trickle down technology happen to such a modestly priced speaker in the F-208 is a small wonder. I'd go a step further in stating that the F-208 is a double multiple of the F-12. It's a joke that these two speakers are even in any type of comparison frankly. Someone needs their ears lowered or cleaned out if they think otherwise.
post #3963 of 6812
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Originally Posted by AllInTheDetails View Post

I own the F-32 and the F-208 and both of them are in another league then that of the F-12.
The F-12 is an entry level speaker that is multiples downward from the Performa 2 or Performer 3 series. The F-12 is a musical speaker but seriously below the performance either of the aforementioned speakers. The F-208 is a descendant of the Ultima series Studio2 speaker with similar sound and performance diameters. The fact that Revel has allowed this trickle down technology happen to such a modestly priced speaker in the F-208 is a small wonder. I'd go a step further in stating that the F-208 is a double multiple of the F-12. It's a joke that these two speakers are even in any type of comparison frankly. Someone needs their ears lowered or cleaned out if they think otherwise.

The F208 is like 3 x the price of the F12. The F208 should sound better. But I don't believe the F208 sounds THREE TIMES BETTER than the F12.

Diminishing returns and all.
post #3964 of 6812
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

The F208 is like 3 x the price of the F12. The F208 should sound better. But I don't believe the F208 sounds THREE TIMES BETTER than the F12.

Diminishing returns and all.

You are right. They sound TEN TIMES BETTER. I'm unbiased as I have BOTH pairs. smile.gif

But who cares. biggrin.gif. Especially you...u got the salon2s.
post #3965 of 6812
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

I'll have to look into this more, but I know that that Crown amps have filters at 20Hz. I would like to go down below 20Hz if I can.

QSC will definitely go down to 5Hz. Marathon is pretty much a clone of the QSC amps at a considerable price savings, but I had bad luck with them and their CS. Then there are the China made LG clones if you're willing to take a gamble. Mine is rock solid so far and is the only thing that can do my subs any justice. Not even the QSC RMX-5050 bridged was able to drive a single LMS 5400 to full excursion. The LG clone can easily power two of them. When I get a chance, I'll plug my Behringer in and see if where it starts to drop off.
post #3966 of 6812
AllInTheDetails: Thanks, thats what I wanted to hear, of course I heard some mild screaming from my wallet, and can't find it since then... biggrin.gif

The problem is, that the F208's price is too high for me, because of the European price policy, here the F206 is 1,5 times more expensive than the F208 in the USA, and I'm talking retail, not about the deals you can pull off in the States.... frown.gif (which is pretty rare here)

So I can just hope, that the F206 with my Velodyne DD-15 will be at least as good, as the F208...

And to just sum up my experience with the FOCAL Electras, after almost 2 weeks, they improved, I almost thought that they are good, but my friend came over, who is a piano player, and also plays guitar, and he told me, that sorry, these Focals just doesn't sound like the original instruments, they are good, but lack midrange, and of course cohesion.

After half an hour listening, we switched back to the Revel F12's, and immediately heard that it is in a different league (although costs half as much). It is better in every aspect, except in the highest octaves, I mean the Be tweeters are awesome, you hear all the small and fine details, but this is just a few percent of the average music, overall the Revel is better in every regard. The Piano sounded perfect, and the whole sound range became more coherent.

In a few minutes, We both had the chills, which I never got in the past 2 weeks from the Focals, so I'm 100 % sure, I will only get Revels in the future.

According to the Hungarian dealer, in a week or so I can listen to the Performa3's, I can't wait... smile.gif
post #3967 of 6812
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Originally Posted by Gugu_s View Post

AllInTheDetails: Thanks, thats what I wanted to hear, of course I heard some mild screaming from my wallet, and can't find it since then... biggrin.gif

The problem is, that the F208's price is too high for me, because of the European price policy, here the F206 is 1,5 times more expensive than the F208 in the USA, and I'm talking retail, not about the deals you can pull off in the States.... frown.gif (which is pretty rare here)

So I can just hope, that the F206 with my Velodyne DD-15 will be at least as good, as the F208...

And to just sum up my experience with the FOCAL Electras, after almost 2 weeks, they improved, I almost thought that they are good, but my friend came over, who is a piano player, and also plays guitar, and he told me, that sorry, these Focals just doesn't sound like the original instruments, they are good, but lack midrange, and of course cohesion.

After half an hour listening, we switched back to the Revel F12's, and immediately heard that it is in a different league (although costs half as much). It is better in every aspect, except in the highest octaves, I mean the Be tweeters are awesome, you hear all the small and fine details, but this is just a few percent of the average music, overall the Revel is better in every regard. The Piano sounded perfect, and the whole sound range became more coherent.

In a few minutes, We both had the chills, which I never got in the past 2 weeks from the Focals, so I'm 100 % sure, I will only get Revels in the future.

According to the Hungarian dealer, in a week or so I can listen to the Performa3's, I can't wait... smile.gif

I know exactly how you feel. Even after three years of ownership, I still feel the same way about my F52s. They move me the way no other speaker has. I'm hoping the Salon2s will take that feeling to a whole new level. Well, if the man upstairs sees it fit that I can get them that is.
post #3968 of 6812
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Originally Posted by duc135 View Post

QSC will definitely go down to 5Hz. Marathon is pretty much a clone of the QSC amps at a considerable price savings, but I had bad luck with them and their CS. Then there are the China made LG clones if you're willing to take a gamble. Mine is rock solid so far and is the only thing that can do my subs any justice. Not even the QSC RMX-5050 bridged was able to drive a single LMS 5400 to full excursion. The LG clone can easily power two of them. When I get a chance, I'll plug my Behringer in and see if where it starts to drop off.



What do you mean by LG clones duc?
post #3969 of 6812
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Originally Posted by lsdec View Post

You are right. They sound TEN TIMES BETTER. I'm unbiased as I have BOTH pairs. smile.gif

But who cares. biggrin.gif. Especially you...u got the salon2s.

Well, I'm Robin Hood, remember ? biggrin.gif

I try to give the little guys some credits. wink.gif

Besides, we're just debating. smile.gif

Just like most people who have actually heard both the Salon2 vs Studio2 know that they are very close. In a DBT with some classical music (no organ or heavy bass), I bet most people couldn't even tell the difference.

The same thing with the B&W 800D2 vs 802D2. Same thing with any speaker line.

Yet, I see people say, "Oh yeah, there is a HUGE SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE DAY AND NIGHT".

To me, it's like saying 4K video looks 10 times better than 1080P. Sure 4K video should look better, especially if you have a giant > 200" screen, but for most people with < 100" screen, it will not look even twice as good as 1080P.

There are a few factors that determine the final sound quality: original recording, speaker, room acoustic, placement, processor, amp, and setup/calibration.

All these factors have to be at the highest level and be a perfect match for one another to get the best out of the SQ.

Is it not possible that Audyssey or other room correction might have worked better with the F208 vs F12 for that particular room acoustic? Is it not possible that the setup was better on the F208 for that specific room acoustic?

What if the F208 got all the best accommodation, while the F12 did not?

And in the end, it still comes down to pure personal preference.

Just because ONE person thinks the F208 sounds multiples better than the F12 does not mean EVERYONE will also think so.

.... Giving the poor little guys some credits is what I do. wink.gif
post #3970 of 6812
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Originally Posted by Gugu_s View Post

AllInTheDetails: Thanks, thats what I wanted to hear, of course I heard some mild screaming from my wallet, and can't find it since then... biggrin.gif

The problem is, that the F208's price is too high for me, because of the European price policy, here the F206 is 1,5 times more expensive than the F208 in the USA, and I'm talking retail, not about the deals you can pull off in the States.... frown.gif (which is pretty rare here)

So I can just hope, that the F206 with my Velodyne DD-15 will be at least as good, as the F208...

And to just sum up my experience with the FOCAL Electras, after almost 2 weeks, they improved, I almost thought that they are good, but my friend came over, who is a piano player, and also plays guitar, and he told me, that sorry, these Focals just doesn't sound like the original instruments, they are good, but lack midrange, and of course cohesion.

After half an hour listening, we switched back to the Revel F12's, and immediately heard that it is in a different league (although costs half as much). It is better in every aspect, except in the highest octaves, I mean the Be tweeters are awesome, you hear all the small and fine details, but this is just a few percent of the average music, overall the Revel is better in every regard. The Piano sounded perfect, and the whole sound range became more coherent.

In a few minutes, We both had the chills, which I never got in the past 2 weeks from the Focals, so I'm 100 % sure, I will only get Revels in the future.

According to the Hungarian dealer, in a week or so I can listen to the Performa3's, I can't wait... smile.gif

The F206 sound great. The crossover settings on it fit my tastes. I didn't hear them with a sub, but having a velodyne myself, I think you'll be good to go!
post #3971 of 6812
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Well, I'm Robin Hood, remember ? biggrin.gif

I try to give the little guys some credits. wink.gif

Besides, we're just debating. smile.gif

Just like most people who have actually heard both the Salon2 vs Studio2 know that they are very close. In a DBT with some classical music (no organ or heavy bass), I bet most people couldn't even tell the difference.

The same thing with the B&W 800D2 vs 802D2. Same thing with any speaker line.

Yet, I see people say, "Oh yeah, there is a HUGE SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE DAY AND NIGHT".

To me, it's like saying 4K video looks 10 times better than 1080P. Sure 4K video should look better, especially if you have a giant > 200" screen, but for most people with < 100" screen, it will not look even twice as good as 1080P.

There are a few factors that determine the final sound quality: original recording, speaker, room acoustic, placement, processor, amp, and setup/calibration.

All these factors have to be at the highest level and be a perfect match for one another to get the best out of the SQ.

Is it not possible that Audyssey or other room correction might have worked better with the F208 vs F12 for that particular room acoustic? Is it not possible that the setup was better on the F208 for that specific room acoustic?

What if the F208 got all the best accommodation, while the F12 did not?

And in the end, it still comes down to pure personal preference.

Just because ONE person thinks the F208 sounds multiples better than the F12 does not mean EVERYONE will also think so.

.... Giving the poor little guys some credits is what I do. wink.gif




Since my name is John, can I be little John?
post #3972 of 6812
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Originally Posted by Gugu_s View Post

AllInTheDetails: Thanks, thats what I wanted to hear, of course I heard some mild screaming from my wallet, and can't find it since then... biggrin.gif

The problem is, that the F208's price is too high for me, because of the European price policy, here the F206 is 1,5 times more expensive than the F208 in the USA, and I'm talking retail, not about the deals you can pull off in the States.... frown.gif (which is pretty rare here)

So I can just hope, that the F206 with my Velodyne DD-15 will be at least as good, as the F208...

And to just sum up my experience with the FOCAL Electras, after almost 2 weeks, they improved, I almost thought that they are good, but my friend came over, who is a piano player, and also plays guitar, and he told me, that sorry, these Focals just doesn't sound like the original instruments, they are good, but lack midrange, and of course cohesion.

After half an hour listening, we switched back to the Revel F12's, and immediately heard that it is in a different league (although costs half as much). It is better in every aspect, except in the highest octaves, I mean the Be tweeters are awesome, you hear all the small and fine details, but this is just a few percent of the average music, overall the Revel is better in every regard. The Piano sounded perfect, and the whole sound range became more coherent.

In a few minutes, We both had the chills, which I never got in the past 2 weeks from the Focals, so I'm 100 % sure, I will only get Revels in the future.

According to the Hungarian dealer, in a week or so I can listen to the Performa3's, I can't wait... smile.gif



I have to ask how much would you have to pay for the 208's Gugu?
post #3973 of 6812
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Since my name is John, can I be little John?

Sure. Some of us have to stick up for the poor people who can only afford the $1600MSRP F12. biggrin.gif
post #3974 of 6812
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Originally Posted by Gugu_s View Post

AllInTheDetails: Thanks, thats what I wanted to hear, of course I heard some mild screaming from my wallet, and can't find it since then... biggrin.gif

The problem is, that the F208's price is too high for me, because of the European price policy, here the F206 is 1,5 times more expensive than the F208 in the USA, and I'm talking retail, not about the deals you can pull off in the States.... frown.gif (which is pretty rare here)

So I can just hope, that the F206 with my Velodyne DD-15 will be at least as good, as the F208...

And to just sum up my experience with the FOCAL Electras, after almost 2 weeks, they improved, I almost thought that they are good, but my friend came over, who is a piano player, and also plays guitar, and he told me, that sorry, these Focals just doesn't sound like the original instruments, they are good, but lack midrange, and of course cohesion.

After half an hour listening, we switched back to the Revel F12's, and immediately heard that it is in a different league (although costs half as much). It is better in every aspect, except in the highest octaves, I mean the Be tweeters are awesome, you hear all the small and fine details, but this is just a few percent of the average music, overall the Revel is better in every regard. The Piano sounded perfect, and the whole sound range became more coherent.

In a few minutes, We both had the chills, which I never got in the past 2 weeks from the Focals, so I'm 100 % sure, I will only get Revels in the future.

According to the Hungarian dealer, in a week or so I can listen to the Performa3's, I can't wait... smile.gif
Googoo (or whatever your real name is smile.gif ),

I know of an instance where a US Dealer strapped a pair of Salons on a pallet and shipped them to China. It seems there was a guy here whose relative really wanted them, but they were cost prohibitive in China. The guy here bought them locally, and then worked with the dealer to get them to his relative in China. They saved thousands.

Just a thought. I'd really try to get the F208s if you can. It's not just a matter of bass. The F208 is much more dynamic and throws a bigger soundstage.

-Mr. Smug
post #3975 of 6812
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Just because ONE person thinks the F208 sounds multiples better than the F12 does not mean EVERYONE will also think so.
Well, you can make that two. smile.gif. And I actually have owned and heard both level matched in my own system.

-Mr. Smug
post #3976 of 6812
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Since my name is John, can I be little John?
Just don't tell the ladies your name is "little" John. eek.gifbiggrin.gif
post #3977 of 6812
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Since my name is John, can I be little John?

Considering your system is not only a little better but way better than most other people's out there...the answer is no. smile.gif
post #3978 of 6812
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Originally Posted by Esox50 View Post

Just don't tell the ladies your name is "little" John. eek.gifbiggrin.gif



There needs to be more ladies on AVS, don't scare them away. Surely there is one out there that's into Revel's.
post #3979 of 6812
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Originally Posted by Esox50 View Post

Googoo (or whatever your real name is smile.gif ),

I know of an instance where a US Dealer strapped a pair of Salons on a pallet and shipped them to China. It seems there was a guy here whose relative really wanted them, but they were cost prohibitive in China. The guy here bought them locally, and then worked with the dealer to get them to his relative in China. They saved thousands.

Just a thought. I'd really try to get the F208s if you can. It's not just a matter of bass. The F208 is much more dynamic and throws a bigger soundstage.

-Mr. Smug

Regardless the f206 sounds great compared to a lot of other speakers out there. With a Velodyne subwoofer that's one sick setup. I cant fault the 208's (well I think the baffle is kinda of wide and flat looking for the mid and tweeter), but they might be a little to analytical if you listen to poor recordings whereas the 206s are slighly more forgiving and livelier. Definitively check them both out though for my demo used different amps and processors, however, I think the main difference is in the crossovers between the two models.
post #3980 of 6812
The main difference is in the cabinet size and woofers.
post #3981 of 6812
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

What do you mean by LG clones duc?

Lab Gruppen (LG) clones are amps made in China. They have taken the original pro amps made by a reputable company and made a knock off of them at CONSIDERABLY less cost. I think they are like a ninth of the cost of the originals or something like that. Performance is almost on par, but they are having QC issues with some fairly high failure rates. Since they are sold by a distributor in China, customer support is sketchy. They send you individual components and have you replace and test them. If you don't have the means or the knowledge to do this then you might be in trouble. The benefit is that you get tremendous power for VERY low relative cost. Most of the LG clones are stable, but like I had mentioned, it's a gamble at this point due to lack of warranty. I have one and it has been rock solid. I have the FP14K model running on 240V mains.

Here's the thread if you want to read up on them:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334237/lab-gruppen-fp14000-clone-amplifiers/0_100

If you are only going to power two 15" subs, I would recommend getting a Marathon. Those are the QSC clones and have been verified as flat down to 5Hz. If you want the real thing, spring for the QSC. I started with the Marathons and due to issues with a couple of their amps not putting out even close to rated power and the subsequent lack of support was able to return them and get the real thing. QSC comes with a standard 3 year warranty and double it to 6 years if you register the amp. I have the RMX-5050. Word of warning though. You'd better start hitting the gym now if you plan on getting one and mounting it into your rack by yourself. They make a lighter version, the PL3 series at twice the price, but I'm not sure how low the filters are on those. I do see the filter switch has a 3Hz option so that should be a good sign.
post #3982 of 6812
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Originally Posted by duc135 View Post

Lab Gruppen (LG) clones are amps made in China. They have taken the original pro amps made by a reputable company and made a knock off of them at CONSIDERABLY less cost. I think they are like a ninth of the cost of the originals or something like that. Performance is almost on par, but they are having QC issues with some fairly high failure rates. Since they are sold by a distributor in China, customer support is sketchy. They send you individual components and have you replace and test them. If you don't have the means or the knowledge to do this then you might be in trouble. The benefit is that you get tremendous power for VERY low relative cost. Most of the LG clones are stable, but like I had mentioned, it's a gamble at this point due to lack of warranty. I have one and it has been rock solid. I have the FP14K model running on 240V mains.

Here's the thread if you want to read up on them:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334237/lab-gruppen-fp14000-clone-amplifiers/0_100

If you are only going to power two 15" subs, I would recommend getting a Marathon. Those are the QSC clones and have been verified as flat down to 5Hz. If you want the real thing, spring for the QSC. I started with the Marathons and due to issues with a couple of their amps not putting out even close to rated power and the subsequent lack of support was able to return them and get the real thing. QSC comes with a standard 3 year warranty and double it to 6 years if you register the amp. I have the RMX-5050. Word of warning though. You'd better start hitting the gym now if you plan on getting one and mounting it into your rack by yourself. They make a lighter version, the PL3 series at twice the price, but I'm not sure how low the filters are on those. I do see the filter switch has a 3Hz option so that should be a good sign.



I never heard of them I'll check them out.
post #3983 of 6812
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Originally Posted by truwarrior22 View Post

Regardless the f206 sounds great compared to a lot of other speakers out there. With a Velodyne subwoofer that's one sick setup. I cant fault the 208's (well I think the baffle is kinda of wide and flat looking for the mid and tweeter), but they might be a little to analytical if you listen to poor recordings whereas the 206s are slighly more forgiving and livelier. Definitively check them both out though for my demo used different amps and processors, however, I think the main difference is in the crossovers between the two models.

What, in your opinion is\are the differences in the xover between the 206 and the 208?
From just looking at the xover points they are nearly identical.
Since both are 3-ways with identical mid-range and tweeters it seems that any physical\component differences would relate to the larger woofers.

I have not seen pics or a description of the xovers so I'm curious as to what you have seen\heard about them.
Thanks
post #3984 of 6812
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Originally Posted by truwarrior22 View Post

Regardless the f206 sounds great compared to a lot of other speakers out there. With a Velodyne subwoofer that's one sick setup. I cant fault the 208's (well I think the baffle is kinda of wide and flat looking for the mid and tweeter), but they might be a little to analytical if you listen to poor recordings whereas the 206s are slighly more forgiving and livelier. Definitively check them both out though for my demo used different amps and processors, however, I think the main difference is in the crossovers between the two models.
Don't be so sensitive. smile.gif I never said the F206 didn't sound great. They DO sound great and I would definitely get them over anything else in their price range. All I said was that if possible move up to the F208 for the greater dynamics, bigger imaging, and sense of scale...then do it. With the street price difference F208 vs F206 being somewhere between $1,000-1,200, it's something to consider. That is all. Nobody is dissing your speakers, or trying to boast or brag. Just trying to help Gugu (AKA Googoo smile.gif ) with his decision.

-Mr. Smug
post #3985 of 6812
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

What, in your opinion is\are the differences in the xover between the 206 and the 208?
From just looking at the xover points they are nearly identical.
Since both are 3-ways with identical mid-range and tweeters it seems that any physical\component differences would relate to the larger woofers.

I have not seen pics or a description of the xovers so I'm curious as to what you have seen\heard about them.
Thanks

Well that's a tough question since crossovers have many parts. With out a graph it's hard to validate any thoughts. I don't think the difference I heard was due to the height difference between the two. Maybe box size, but I think both have sealed mids and tweeters. Bass is deeper on the 208, but I tried to focus on the mids and tweeters. Both had similar timber, however, the difference I heard could be partly related to the source and amp used. I noticed some amps can make the sound stage more forward sounding.
post #3986 of 6812
Thanks for the help guys.
My name is Gustav so, double the first two letters, and you get my name. wink.gif

According to my calculations from the German prices (here in hungary the VAT is higher than in Germany), the F208 would cost around 8000 $ Meanwhile the F206 around 5600 $.

I will consider getting the speakers from the USA, but lets be honest, if it has to go through the customs, it gets the high VAT from Hungary, and you add the huge shipping costs, while having the not so protective packaging from the Performa3, you understand while I'm having trouble choosing this method... frown.gif but I will definitely get some quotes.

By the way, where are all those reviews from the Perf3, We all want to read eagerly? smile.gif
post #3987 of 6812
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Originally Posted by truwarrior22 View Post

Well that's a tough question since crossovers have many parts. With out a graph it's hard to validate any thoughts. I don't think the difference I heard was due to the height difference between the two. Maybe box size, but I think both have sealed mids and tweeters. Bass is deeper on the 208, but I tried to focus on the mids and tweeters. Both had similar timber, however, the difference I heard could be partly related to the source and amp used. I noticed some amps can make the sound stage more forward sounding.

Now it all makes sense. I missed this earlier...you heard these speakers in different rooms with diff associated equipment.

If you would have listened to them side by side like me, you may have a different opinion.

The F206 is just as revealing and detailed as the F208. No more, no less. F206 is an outstanding speaker that unless heard side by side w the F208 have plenty of bass and dynamics.
post #3988 of 6812
Anyone using Revel in-ceiling speakers for whole house/distributed audio? I would be curious to hear about your experiences. Thanks!
post #3989 of 6812
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Originally Posted by Gugu_s View Post

Thanks for the help guys.
My name is Gustav so, double the first two letters, and you get my name. wink.gif

According to my calculations from the German prices (here in hungary the VAT is higher than in Germany), the F208 would cost around 8000 $ Meanwhile the F206 around 5600 $.

I will consider getting the speakers from the USA, but lets be honest, if it has to go through the customs, it gets the high VAT from Hungary, and you add the huge shipping costs, while having the not so protective packaging from the Performa3, you understand while I'm having trouble choosing this method... frown.gif but I will definitely get some quotes.

By the way, where are all those reviews from the Perf3, We all want to read eagerly? smile.gif




Wow Gustav that's a lot of money for them. As far as the new line I'm hopefully going to hear them Wednesday, as long as I'm not too hungover after the concert o.O
I'll let you know what I think but a few pages ago lsdec and Esox50 posted their thoughts on them, I know they liked them.
Edited by comfynumb - 5/5/13 at 11:12am
post #3990 of 6812
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Originally Posted by truwarrior22 View Post

Well that's a tough question since crossovers have many parts. With out a graph it's hard to validate any thoughts. I don't think the difference I heard was due to the height difference between the two. Maybe box size, but I think both have sealed mids and tweeters. Bass is deeper on the 208, but I tried to focus on the mids and tweeters. Both had similar timber, however, the difference I heard could be partly related to the source and amp used. I noticed some amps can make the sound stage more forward sounding.

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Originally Posted by lsdec View Post

Now it all makes sense. I missed this earlier...you heard these speakers in different rooms with diff associated equipment.

If you would have listened to them side by side like me, you may have a different opinion.

The F206 is just as revealing and detailed as the F208. No more, no less. F206 is an outstanding speaker that unless heard side by side w the F208 have plenty of bass and dynamics.

That does make more sense to me as well.
I wouldn't think that the xovers would be a differentiating factor between the 2 speakers and not hearing them side-by-side is tricky in my experience.

I think choosing between to the 2 would be a cost\performance and perhaps room size decision.
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