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post #4051 of 6787
Without the base the F208 is 15" wide smile.gif

Seriously, it's 13.75" at the base.
post #4052 of 6787
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Originally Posted by lsdec View Post

Without the base the F208 is 15" wide smile.gif

Seriously, it's 13.75" at the base.

Wide? You mean Deep?

The width (wide) is spec @ 11.8" w/ base.

The Depth (deep) is spec @ 14.8" w/ base.

So that means the base is only ~ 1/2" all around?

It looks thicker than that - like almost a full inch.
post #4053 of 6787
Lol. Accudef you are so funny. biggrin.gif

I meant wide. It's 11.8" wide and flares out to 13.8" at the base. The base is about 1" thick yes but it flares out about 1/2" per side.

The F208 is about the same size as studio2 except for the depth. No need to split hairs here.

I'm not surprised that the salon2 won the comparison but its pretty cool.
post #4054 of 6787
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

So what is the size of the F208 without its base? Because the base on the F208 looks like it extends about an inch all around.

So w/o the bass, the F208 is approx ~ 10" and Studio2 is approx ~ 11" ?

The manual says the 208 is 46-1/2" x 11-13/16" x 14-3/4. It is not clear whether this is the base plate or the cabinet, so I'm not sure.

For whatever reason the 208 looks "chunkier" than the Ultimas - may have something to do with the contoured baffles used on the Ultimas.
post #4055 of 6787
You can be sure, lsdec is correct, 11.8 inches wide not counting the base plate. The Salon 2 looks slim to me, probably because it's taller and has the contours.

I'm not that good at describing what I hear, so the best description of how the F208s sound is the one I read, posted 3/21/13 in the "Revel Performa 3" thread on the Audiogon speaker forum. It mirrors my impression pretty closely.
post #4056 of 6787
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Originally Posted by lsdec View Post

Lol. Accudef you are so funny. biggrin.gif

I meant wide. It's 11.8" wide and flares out to 13.8" at the base. The base is about 1" thick yes but it flares out about 1/2" per side.

The F208 is about the same size as studio2 except for the depth. No need to split hairs here.

I'm not surprised that the salon2 won the comparison but its pretty cool.

Oh, wow, okay, so the F208 is 11.8" (lets round up 12") wide not including the base, which means it is actually about 2" wider than the Salon2 if not counting the bass. Very good.
post #4057 of 6787
If you want to trade, I'll take care of the shipping for both of us smile.gif
post #4058 of 6787
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

So how many many hail Mary's father Milt?
One for every non-Revel woofer in ADTG's speaker harum.
Go in peace, my son.cool.gif
post #4059 of 6787
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Originally Posted by denydog View Post

I stated the guy was at the most 6 ft because I looked him in the eye. The person posting the comment after me has no idea. I'm maybe 5' 11" and and the F208 hits me right about the bottom of my rib cage. The size issue with the F208 is the 12" width I think. A lot of current tower speakers are much narrower.

The F208s are huge though. When my wife first walked in the house and saw them, her comment was "My God they're big!" Here's another picture showing them with her new furniture.


I don't know if anyone else picked up on this, but I'm guessing "His new speakers" and "Her new furniture" were a package deal?
Too bad Revel dealers don't sell stressless leather wink.gif

Far be it from me to quibble but have you listened to your system without the chair in between the speakers?
post #4060 of 6787
It's a new revolution in audio/listening to brand new revels. Sit in the wife's brand new chair placed in between them.

The new "sweet spot" biggrin.gif

I could use some new nice couches like that tho.
Edited by lsdec - 5/11/13 at 10:43am
post #4061 of 6787
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Oh, wow, okay, so the F208 is 11.8" (lets round up 12") wide not including the base, which means it is actually about 2" wider than the Salon2 if not counting the bass. Very good.



2.3" wider and about 2.6" taller than the 52's but not quite as deep which roughly would give the 208's around the same cabinet volume. I haven't seen any in the piano black, does anyone have them in that color?
post #4062 of 6787
Milt99,
It was definitely a package deal. When she decided she wanted new furniture, I think she was more open to new speakers so I wouldn't feel left out, if you know what I mean. I promised her I would choose speakers that looked fantastic, and they do. Plus I had softened her up with the non-WAF black box look of the previous speakers and subwoofers. Note: I have not really missed the subwoofers in this 2-channel system, though if I were a bachelor I'm sure I would still have them on the side, haha.

The Ekornes Stressless recliner was my only input on furniture. I was concerned with the width and height of the backrest messing with reflections around my ears, but it sure is comfortable. smile.gif

I have tried the speakers in just about every location in the room, and it seems like I move furniture around every day. In the picture, the speakers are farther out in the room, and the sofa/coffee table is pushed back from "normal" positions. My wife comes home before I put things back and she just shakes her head. She doesn't understand or care about imaging. She asked me the other day why I was sitting so close to the speakers, when I had arranged a typical 8' equilateral triangle. Generally the setup is a compromise, but I try to move things around for serious listening. It's going to be a problem when the new pair get here and I spike 'em.

Edit: A nice thing with the Revel's is that with their broad even dispersion, you may lose imaging with less than ideal positioning, but the tone doesn't seem to change much, even when sitting well off-center. With my previous speakers you had large tonal shifts with even a turn of the head.
Edited by denydog - 5/11/13 at 11:26am
post #4063 of 6787
^^^ Good man.
Yeah, I don't have any desire to integrate subs into my 2 channel system.
I don't have much pipe organ music or anything that the Studios can't handle in my listening so far.

That's not to say that I don't understand why folks with these speakers do integrate subs.
It's a great way to get excellent bass response.
post #4064 of 6787
I bought my wife two Stressless recliners and couch ahead of my current system so I can relate. Of course they are in her great room.
post #4065 of 6787
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

2.3" wider and about 2.6" taller than the 52's but not quite as deep which roughly would give the 208's around the same cabinet volume. I haven't seen any in the piano black, does anyone have them in that color?
F208s? I just saw black F206's but that's it.

BTW- Dealer has new F32, and F52 at 50% of msrp. If it wasn't for the WAF, an F52 is a financial no brainer. They also got stuck with a basically new pair of Salons that I'm sure they would be willing to negotiate on.
post #4066 of 6787
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Originally Posted by denydog View Post

F208s? I just saw black F206's but that's it.

BTW- Dealer has new F32, and F52 at 50% of msrp. If it wasn't for the WAF, an F52 is a financial no brainer. They also got stuck with a basically new pair of Salons that I'm sure they would be willing to negotiate on.



Either the 206 or 208, how did the 206's look in black? Sooner or later I'll more than likely add a pair of Revel's for rears and was thinking about the 206's, although the 32's would be a steal right now. I ordered the 52's in black ash since everything else in my setup is black and I had the PSB golds in oak for a long time I thought the change would be nice. I made the right choice and really like the all black look.

The rears would actually be in the kitchen since its one big room, they might look good next to the frig wink.gif The advantages of not having to worry about the WAF biggrin.gif
post #4067 of 6787
Denydog,

Your wife and my wife are normal. We are the crazy ones smile.gif

That story is hilarious!!! My wife has caught me shifting my speakers little here and there. Her question is, "what is that gonna do?" Lol
post #4068 of 6787
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Hi, the way it's open behind your one speaker is kind of like my room, except my room has a small hallway instead. Have you ever run any room correction? I'd be interested on what it came up with.
Yes, I have the 4' doorway next to the one speaker, and another 4' doorway on the left rear sidewall. I was concerned that the image would be unbalanced, but it doesn't seem to be a problem, and the sound is more open than when I had the speakers at the closed end of the room, with the doorways at the back.

I do not use room correction, but I run sweeps from the listening position with REW, and average multiple measurements just to get an idea. Here's a quick and dirty one I did when I first got the F208, and compared to my simple stand mounts without the subwoofers. F208 is the red trace. The room modes make the bass measurement problematical, but it shows that the F208 are much fuller in the low midrange. The stand mount's had issues with uncompensated baffle step, which added to a leaner sound over all, and peaky'ness in the treble made them sound bright. It's not all bad, they sound lively and crisp, but it's just a little too much at times. The F208s are much more refined sounding, as well as neutral and accurate in comparison.


Edited by denydog - 5/11/13 at 12:29pm
post #4069 of 6787
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Originally Posted by denydog View Post

Yes, I have the 4' doorway next to the one speaker, and another 4' doorway on the left rear sidewall. I was concerned that the image would be unbalanced, but it doesn't seem to be a problem, and the sound is more open than when I had the speakers at the closed end of the room, with the doorways at the back.

I do not use room correction, but I run sweeps from the listening position with REW, and average multiple measurements just to get an idea. Here's a quick and dirty one I did when I first got the F208, and compared to my simple stand mounts without the subwoofers. F208 is the red trace. The room modes make the bass measurement problematical, but it shows that the F208 are much fuller in the low midrange. The stand mount's had issues with uncompensated baffle step, which added to a leaner sound over all, and peaky'ness in the treble made them sound bright. It's not all bad, they sound lively and crisp, but it's just a little too much at times. The F208s are much more refined sounding, as well as neutral and accurate in comparison.



I hear what your saying but your sweeps are only going so far. There's no doubt, just like my room the openness behind the one speaker is messing with the bass. I have no choice than to deal with it because my fronts are in the only place they can be. The new Audyssey made a big difference especially at lower volumes with it's dynamic EQ and I'm betting it would make a huge difference for you. When I first ran Audyssey it crossed my mains at 250Hz which I believe was partially my room and partially because I had them biamped when I ran it. I've since gone back to the conventional way, since biamping does nothing and did some tweaking and it sounds pretty amazing.
Edited by comfynumb - 5/11/13 at 12:52pm
post #4070 of 6787
I think the Revels have enough bass output to handle the lack of reinforcement from the open doorway, my thought is that the bass would be excessive in the right corner, thus causing an imbalance. I have like 45 degrees toe-in to help reduce sidewall reflection, but doesn't effect the bass probably. My strongest room modes are around 40-45 Hz which I think you can see kicking in on the graph. I don't doubt that EQ could help. I should put the chair in the corner and call it a bass trap.
post #4071 of 6787
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Originally Posted by denydog View Post

I think the Revels have enough bass output to handle the lack of reinforcement from the open doorway, my thought is that the bass would be excessive in the right corner, thus causing an imbalance. I have like 45 degrees toe-in to help reduce sidewall reflection, but doesn't effect the bass probably. My strongest room modes are around 40-45 Hz which I think you can see kicking in on the graph. I don't doubt that EQ could help. I should put the chair in the corner and call it a bass trap.



I'll just throw this out there imagine those Revel's sounding twice as good biggrin.gif
post #4072 of 6787
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

The Orion are supposed to have one of the biggest soundstage when given the large room. But like the Magnepan, Martin Logan, and similar speakers, they fall short on dynamics.

What did you think about the B&W 802D2 vs Salon2 vs Orion3 vs Phil3 (after being pulled out from the wall biggrin.gif)?

I didn't demo the 802d2 at your place much because I have heard them multiple times elsewhere. I am not a huge fan of B&W, while they always sound great they just don't sound real to me, more highfi'ish. The Phil3 sounded alright, but just didnt have that last layer of resolution or realism the higher end speakers had. I was pretty suprised by the Orion's as they really did sound great, but for me they are entirely to much hassle with the active crossovers and multi channel amp not to mention the cost if you don't DIY them. Kef's sounded pretty good for their size, I was impressed by their high frequency reach, but feel I would get tired of it after a while. Plus those or the bigger ones would require subwoofers. Then there were the revels, which to me have the smoothest most realistic yet detailed upper range while maintaining the appropriate energy throughout the entire audio spectrum. They really are fantastic speakers. All and all we are getting pretty picky through as all the speakers in your reference room anyone would be pleased with if they didnt have another to switch to. If I were to have 2 pairs in one room it would be the Kef's and the Revels. I feel these sounded different enough from one another that when you got a hankering for a change the two could appease the need.
post #4073 of 6787
I hope your expectations are realistic. The F208 are great but they are not Salon2s. Them are some big shoes to fill.
post #4074 of 6787
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Originally Posted by lsdec View Post

I hope your expectations are realistic. The F208 are great but they are not Salon2s. Them are some big shoes to fill.

What speakers do you own? Have you heard the F208's?
post #4075 of 6787
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Originally Posted by harri009 View Post

What speakers do you own? Have you heard the F208's?

Yes. I hear them everyday as I own a pair.?smile.gif Also the C208 and a pair of F12s as surrounds.

I have heard them side by side with the studio2 but have never had the pleasure of listening to the salon2 as my local dealer stopped displaying them.
post #4076 of 6787
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Originally Posted by lsdec View Post

Yes. I hear them everyday as I own a pair.?smile.gif Also the C208 and a pair of F12s as surrounds.

I have heard them side by side with the studio2 but have never had the pleasure of listening to the salon2 as my local dealer stopped displaying them.

How would you compare the Studio2? I have heard the Studio2 many times at a friends home.
post #4077 of 6787
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Originally Posted by harri009 View Post

How would you compare the Studio2? I have heard the Studio2 many times at a friends home.

The F208 only exceeds the studio2 in its finish. The finish is better as corroborated by AVKV.

The studio2 is equal or better in every regard but just slightly better. The most obvious is the smoothness of the tweeter. The close performance to the awesome studio2 makes the F208 a tremendous value.

I know I'm repeating myself but the studio2 when I heard it 2 years ago instantly became my dream speakers. I could not believe how amazing they were. For me to be able to get to about 90% of the studio2 at less than 1/3rd the price, I'm elated.

They sound so good to me, I'm at a point where I just enjoy the music.

Listen for yourself though. It's the prudent thing to do per Bush. smile.gif
Edited by lsdec - 5/11/13 at 9:35pm
post #4078 of 6787
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Originally Posted by lsdec View Post

The F208 only exceeds the studio2 in its finish. The finish is better as corroborated by AVKV.

The studio2 is equal or better in every regard but just slightly better. The most obvious is the smoothness of the tweeter. The close performance to the awesome studio2 makes the F208 a tremendous value.

I know I'm repeating myself but the studio2 when I heard it 2 years ago instantly became my dream speakers. I could not believe how amazing they were. For me to be able to get to about 90% of the studio2 at less than 1/3rd the price, I'm elated.

They sound so good to me, I'm at a point where I just enjoy the music.

Listen for yourself though. It's the prudent thing to do per Bush. smile.gif

Good to hear. That means I am not over estimating this speaker. I am coming from a true ribbon tweeter, so even the Studio2 has to fight for that title. Point is, leaving the ribbon I knew I would be getting a tweeter that was not quite as good so I was prepared for the trade off. If it comes 90% to where the studio does with attack I will be elated. Spoke with my dealer tonight and found out Revel had no current stock of the walnut and there are currently 40 sets on order. My name went on the list, guesstimating 3-4 weeks frown.gif
post #4079 of 6787
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Originally Posted by harri009 View Post

Good to hear. That means I am not over estimating this speaker. I am coming from a true ribbon tweeter, so even the Studio2 has to fight for that title. Point is, leaving the ribbon I knew I would be getting a tweeter that was not quite as good so I was prepared for the trade off. If it comes 90% to where the studio does with attack I will be elated. Spoke with my dealer tonight and found out Revel had no current stock of the walnut and there are currently 40 sets on order. My name went on the list, guesstimating 3-4 weeks frown.gif

How does the salon2s tweeter compare to your ribbon?

I got the gloss black F208 by the way. Also I think Dsonic was selling a pair of walnut F208 with a touch of damage on the hard rubber on top for $3275 on Audiogon. I don't see it there anymore.
post #4080 of 6787
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Originally Posted by lsdec View Post

How does the salon2s tweeter compare to your ribbon?

I got the gloss black F208 by the way. Also I think Dsonic was selling a pair of walnut F208 with a touch of damage on the hard rubber on top for $3275 on Audiogon. I don't see it there anymore.



Did you post pics of yours? I don't remember seeing the gloss black ones on here.
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