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post #4261 of 6828
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Originally Posted by skinnydoggy View Post

if i can ever find them in Canada maybe...

Best of luck.

Again, I think the Infinity sound very good.
post #4262 of 6828
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Originally Posted by skinnydoggy View Post

Hopefully getting a Concerta C12 soon... I am praying it sounds good with Infinity Primus P160's and 152's. Is it really over 9 inches tall? I thought my Primus PC351 was big!

It sure is, even a smidge taller with the little rubber feet I put on them smile.gif I had to basically revamp my whole TV stand search to accommodate this center.
post #4263 of 6828
I certainly am jealous of all you guys getting these great upgrades/moving up to the Performa3s! It is giving me that itch, wondering if it would make any sense to look into picking up some used F32s as an upgrade from my current F12s...I have the other Concerta speakers already (C12, M12 surrounds) plus my workhorse B15 subwoofer.

There is someone local to me who is selling a pair of F32s at a very good price (basically the same price as the F12's brand new). Given the choice, would you move from F12s to F32s given my existing equipment?
post #4264 of 6828
I would have to modify my stand as well frown.gif

I may just place the centre above my tv, but with a 54 incher, that's kinda high I would think
post #4265 of 6828
I know the feeling my center is not smack in the middle of my stand or panel, but in the middle of my mains. I have a heat/AC vent in the way, which I will have to move before I can think about adding 2 15" subs biggrin.gif
Edited by comfynumb - 6/19/13 at 1:55pm
post #4266 of 6828
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Originally Posted by skinnydoggy View Post

I may just place the centre above my tv, but with a 54 incher, that's kinda high I would think

Try it. I bet you'll like it.
post #4267 of 6828
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Originally Posted by thrand1 View Post

I certainly am jealous of all you guys getting these great upgrades/moving up to the Performa3s! It is giving me that itch, wondering if it would make any sense to look into picking up some used F32s as an upgrade from my current F12s...I have the other Concerta speakers already (C12, M12 surrounds) plus my workhorse B15 subwoofer.

There is someone local to me who is selling a pair of F32s at a very good price (basically the same price as the F12's brand new). Given the choice, would you move from F12s to F32s given my existing equipment?

From my understanding, the answer is no. Keep your F12s and wait for the next Concerta version or the Performa3s.

Otherwise, just enjoy the music!
post #4268 of 6828
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Originally Posted by lsdec View Post

From my understanding, the answer is no. Keep your F12s and wait for the next Concerta version or the Performa3s.

Otherwise, just enjoy the music!

I agree. I've never heard the F32s, but FWIW, below is the quote of my thoughts comparing the M22s to the F12s. I say if you could get a great deal on F52s, go for it, but otherwise follow Isdec's advice above.
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Originally Posted by 65 Electra Glide View Post


I did hear the M22s once a few years ago, and thought then that they were simply the best pair of passive standmount speakers that I've ever heard. Since the weekend before last though, I've been listening to a pair of Revel Performa M22s that I've borrowed. I had a pair of NHT Classic Threes that the owner of the M22s wanted to try out, so we swapped on a temporary basis. I can only wish it was permanent though. I treat the M22s as if they were my own, and I implicitly trust the M22s owner with my NHT Threes.


The M22s are in an absolutely gorgeous two tone maple & black finish that the owner got new a few years ago when that particular finish was being discontinued by Revel for just a little over $1000 shipped from an authorized dealer. That almost seems too good to be true, but I saw the invoice. They are on their matching Revel pedestal stands which they bolt to very securely.


Their sensitivity is very low when compared to the F12s, but I think they do have two things over the F12s in spades - upper end detail (even with the tweeter turned down as low as it will go) and imaging. They totally 'disappear' much more so than the F12s. After spending some time with them, it's only reinforced just that much more my belief that they are indeed the best passive stand-mount speaker I've ever heard.


But overall though, I think I do like my F12s better. Much higher sensitivity, better dynamics, better midrange, and better bass at the expense of a little more upper detail and imaging. I wish I could also compare the C32 to the C12 too.


Regrettably for me, the M22s will go back to their home tomorrow, but it's only made me appreciate my F12s even more than I did before. More than ever, I think the F12 might possibly be the best value in a speaker on the market today.
post #4269 of 6828
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Originally Posted by 65 Electra Glide View Post

I agree. I've never heard the F32s, but FWIW, below is the quote of my thoughts comparing the M22s to the F12s. I say if you could get a great deal on F52s, go for it, but otherwise follow Isdec's advice above.



The real question is where's the pics of that 65 Harley? I couldn't resist anymore smile.gif
post #4270 of 6828
Although I have not heard the F12 or F32, I've heard the F12's called the best speaker under $2,000 multiple times. That's no small statement and I doubt I'd trade them for just one step up smile.gif
post #4271 of 6828
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Although I have not heard the F12 or F32, I've heard the F12's called the best speaker under $2,000 multiple times. That's no small statement and I doubt I'd trade them for just one step up smile.gif

A favorite statement by reviewers of most any speaker. Either that or they say "This $2000 speaker sounds as good as speakers costing $5000. Of course they then review a $5000 speaker and say it sounds like a $10,000 speaker. Does that mean that a $2000 speaker sounds like a $10,000 speaker? smile.gif

My local dealer has a shipment of M22's arriving and I will likely be comparing them with the F12 next week. The Stereophile review of the F12 has some issues that concern me.
post #4272 of 6828
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Originally Posted by MUDCAT45 View Post

A favorite statement by reviewers of most any speaker. Either that or they say "This $2000 speaker sounds as good as speakers costing $5000. Of course they then review a $5000 speaker and say it sounds like a $10,000 speaker. Does that mean that a $2000 speaker sounds like a $10,000 speaker? smile.gif

My local dealer has a shipment of M22's arriving and I will likely be comparing them with the F12 next week. The Stereophile review of the F12 has some issues that concern me.

Ha ha,

I have never seen a review where a $10k speaker sounds like a $2k speaker tongue.gif

When I bought my Salons back in 2001, I auditioned a lot of speaker up to 25k.
I had JBL XPL's so I wanted a great midrange, wide dispersion, and full range.
I was surprised that many of these high end speakers were not full range.

12 years later, I still love my Revels tongue.gif

- Rich
post #4273 of 6828
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

Ha ha,

I have never seen a review where a $10k speaker sounds like a $2k speaker tongue.gif

When I bought my Salons back in 2001, I auditioned a lot of speaker up to 25k.
I had JBL XPL's so I wanted a great midrange, wide dispersion, and full range.
I was surprised that many of these high end speakers were not full range.

12 years later, I still love my Revels tongue.gif

- Rich

And in another 12 years, your Salon1 will still sound awesome. wink.gif

Great speakers are just timeless. biggrin.gif
post #4274 of 6828
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Originally Posted by thrand1 View Post

I certainly am jealous of all you guys getting these great upgrades/moving up to the Performa3s! It is giving me that itch, wondering if it would make any sense to look into picking up some used F32s as an upgrade from my current F12s...I have the other Concerta speakers already (C12, M12 surrounds) plus my workhorse B15 subwoofer.

There is someone local to me who is selling a pair of F32s at a very good price (basically the same price as the F12's brand new). Given the choice, would you move from F12s to F32s given my existing equipment?

I would wait for a F52.

I think the F32 is slightly better than F12, but just not significant enough.

But from F12 to F52 is worth it. biggrin.gif
post #4275 of 6828
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

And in another 12 years, your Salon1 will still sound awesome. wink.gif

Great speakers are just timeless. biggrin.gif

That is a fact. Most Bose owners keep them forever. biggrin.gif
post #4276 of 6828
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Originally Posted by MUDCAT45 View Post

That is a fact. Most Bose owners keep them forever. biggrin.gif

Until they wake up from the Matrix. cool.gif
post #4277 of 6828
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Until they wake up from the Matrix. cool.gif



Or minority report they could have caught them before they committed the crime biggrin.gif
post #4278 of 6828
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Originally Posted by MUDCAT45 View Post


That is a fact. Most Bose owners keep them forever. biggrin.gif

Having friends who let friends buy Bose means a lifetime of no highs and no lows.
post #4279 of 6828
My Revel F208s arrived today on the very date that Dennis estimated the first time I called him. Ten business days, California to Ohio. Considering the initial shipping error I mentioned earlier in the thread, that's pretty good and I'm happy. Everyone scrambled on my behalf.

I just finished peeling the clear wrapping off and I must say, they're stunning. cool.gif
post #4280 of 6828
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Originally Posted by bigwally View Post

My Revel F208s arrived today on the very date that Dennis estimated the first time I called him. Ten business days, California to Ohio. Considering the initial shipping error I mentioned earlier in the thread, that's pretty good and I'm happy. Everyone scrambled on my behalf.

I just finished peeling the clear wrapping off and I must say, they're stunning. cool.gif

Congratulations!

Looking forward to impressions and pictures.

- Rich
post #4281 of 6828
I snapped a couple of pics of before and after the Revel F208s found their home in my attic room.

Before: http://imgur.com/nR18slp My automatic turntable collection is less weird when compared to those who collect medical oddities.

After: http://imgur.com/RpDhuRn The wide angle lens distorts things, but the rear of the speakers are two feet from the front wall, eight feet apart, and my chair is eight feet from either speaker.

The previous speakers were assembled using 12 ohm Peerless 6.5" drivers made for PSB Synchrony Ones in parallel for a two way design, and Vifa XT25 tweets. I was quite happy with them, but I gave the new Revel F208s the torture midrange test of Natalie Merchant performing "Life Is Sweet" and they did much better. Not necessarily a huge fan of Natalie Merchant, but that song brings many speakers to their knees because it is an effective midrange resonance generator without equal. What I had did well on that song, but they tipped into the resonance zone just enough to be annoying on occasion. No such problem now as the Revel mids are clearly miles from misbehaving. Very little chance I'll hear a dentist's drill again while enjoying my usual fare.

Interestingly, the new F208s are quite the bast#$ds to drive. I saw power meter lights on my Emotive XPA-2 (300w x 2 into 8ohms) I've not seen before. If you like to feel your sternum rattle when you're in a rock mood, have power. These Revels do it well. Once I calm down I'll get back with some observations about soundstage width and depth, whether or not they're beamy and call attention to themselves and define lateral width, and that sort of thing.
Edited by bigwally - 6/21/13 at 7:25pm
post #4282 of 6828
Soon to be new member...

Just placed an order with my local dealer for a set of Performa3's. Pair of F206s, a C205 and pair of S206s. I'm very excited. My current speakers are almost 20 years old and were starting to sound it. Will be a couple of weeks before they are here and set up, but I cannot wait. My other equipment is a Bryston 9bSST and a Theta Casablanca IIIHD. So the Revels should really be awesome. I'm replacing a set of mid 90's vintage Vandersteens that I've enjoyed tremendously. I'll use the Revel's with my existing Velodyne sub, which, at least with the Vandersteens, I only used for movies. Probably will stay that way with the Revels.

If it matters, I also considered Dynaudio, Paradigm and Sonus Faber products. These were all great, but we just liked the Revel's better.

Vandersteens were not in the running because they were bigger than my wife wanted, and in order to get a form factor from Vandersteen similar to the speakers we considered, including the Revels, you had to spend above our budget. It's too bad because Vandersteen is a great company.
post #4283 of 6828
Thanks for the pics, BW.
Is your system vinyl only?
My eyes don't discern a digital source.
post #4284 of 6828
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

Thanks for the pics, BW.
Is your system vinyl only?
My eyes don't discern a digital source.

That's a vinyl system primarily, but with an iPod dock for when I'm at my soldering station or reading. My digital music and HT stuff is downstairs. http://i.imgur.com/3yhhNTp.jpg
Edited by bigwally - 6/22/13 at 4:47am
post #4285 of 6828
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Originally Posted by bigwally View Post

I snapped a couple of pics of before and after the Revel F208s found their home in my attic room.

Before: http://imgur.com/nR18slp My automatic turntable collection is less weird when compared to those who collect medical oddities.

After: http://imgur.com/RpDhuRn The wide angle lens distorts things, but the rear of the speakers are two feet from the front wall, eight feet apart, and my chair is eight feet from either speaker.

The previous speakers were assembled using 12 ohm Peerless 6.5" drivers made for PSB Synchrony Ones in parallel for a two way design, and Vifa XT25 tweets. I was quite happy with them, but I gave the new Revel F208s the torture midrange test of Natalie Merchant performing "Life Is Sweet" and they did much better. Not necessarily a huge fan of Natalie Merchant, but that song brings many speakers to their knees because it is an effective midrange resonance generator without equal. What I had did well on that song, but they tipped into the resonance zone just enough to be annoying on occasion. No such problem now as the Revel mids are clearly miles from misbehaving. Very little chance I'll hear a dentist's drill again while enjoying my usual fare.

Interestingly, the new F208s are quite the bast#$ds to drive. I saw power meter lights on my Emotive XPA-2 (300w x 2 into 8ohms) I've not seen before. If you like to feel your sternum rattle when you're in a rock mood, have power. These Revels do it well. Once I calm down I'll get back with some observations about soundstage width and depth, whether or not they're beamy and call attention to themselves and define lateral width, and that sort of thing.

Great pics bigwally! I am waiting for my F208 and scheduled to be delivered on 25th (Tuesday) June. But will reschedule this to Saturday, so that I can be present to receive these. My center C208 with C Stand is coming on a different date, but possibly within a couple of days of the F208s. I am replacing my F52 with Performa 3s after reading all the good things about these, also, I wanted to have the newer models to keep them for next few years without worrying too much about an age-related issue.
Meantime, I am going to audition Parasound 5250 v.2 vis-a-vis my current Sunfire TGA-5200. I posted query to have some feedback in the AVSForum, but never got a clear and direct answer with a comparative statement between them. So, decided to try it myself. Will be interesting!
BTW, what you are going to use to drive these F208s? Are you going to get the Center or doing just Stereo for primarily music only? I will continue using my Integra 80.2 for now. But heard that Marantz 8801 might be a better option and match, since it is likely to have a wider sound stage and bit more fullness in sound than Integra..
Let's hope we both will enjoy our toys!
I am getting mine in Black, since my Sub (Submersive), TV and source (Oppo-103) all are black.
post #4286 of 6828
Great pics BW, this F208 looks like a Monster, too wide to my taste.., smile.gif I hope you will enjoy it.

Prosoft, please post your opinion when you receive them,on how the F52 compare to the F206, because I'm torn between these two speakers, and another opinion would help to make a decision.

Thanks in advance,
post #4287 of 6828
Congrats to the new Revel owners smile.gif
Nice pics bw I like both your rooms, and I'm glad you got your speakers squared away, they look awesome.
post #4288 of 6828
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Originally Posted by Prosoft7 View Post

Great pics bigwally! I am waiting for my F208 and scheduled to be delivered on 25th (Tuesday) June. But will reschedule this to Saturday, so that I can be present to receive these. My center C208 with C Stand is coming on a different date, but possibly within a couple of days of the F208s. I am replacing my F52 with Performa 3s after reading all the good things about these, also, I wanted to have the newer models to keep them for next few years without worrying too much about an age-related issue.
Meantime, I am going to audition Parasound 5250 v.2 vis-a-vis my current Sunfire TGA-5200. I posted query to have some feedback in the AVSForum, but never got a clear and direct answer with a comparative statement between them. So, decided to try it myself. Will be interesting!
BTW, what you are going to use to drive these F208s? Are you going to get the Center or doing just Stereo for primarily music only? I will continue using my Integra 80.2 for now. But heard that Marantz 8801 might be a better option and match, since it is likely to have a wider sound stage and bit more fullness in sound than Integra..
Let's hope we both will enjoy our toys!
I am getting mine in Black, since my Sub (Submersive), TV and source (Oppo-103) all are black.

I got my F208s solely for 2ch music and they're driven by a Emotiva stereo preamp and matching XPA-2 amplifier. The Revels can go quite loud without mid/treble fatigue so its good to have big power for those brief moments of volume recklessness. Just a few seconds here and there, gotta preserve the ears.

I'm putting all of my most proficiently recorded music though the F208s and am so impressed by the way they image. I haven't encountered too many moments where a stereo speaker pair seems to image wider than either speaker, but I have been getting that and I love the way they place the vocalist on the typical recording. Not "Row A" or "Row M", but maybe Row B or C, as the Stereophile glossary would put it. Perfect for me.

When I'm not analyzing them so much and just enjoying music, they sound great on my poorly recorded jazz stuff but the big payoff for me is how monstrous they are on hard rock, heavy metal, and late 70s style fusion. They're highly proficient when it comes to tight midbass slam and they maintain perfect balance from rowdy down to the lowest audible volume levels. Not every speaker does that as well, particularly planar and planar hybrids I've heard, nor did the conventional speakers I was using before.
Edited by bigwally - 6/23/13 at 8:41am
post #4289 of 6828
I never thought I could live with an aluminum dome tweeter so I always went with silk domes, or my favorite, dual concentric ring silk tweeters. Turns out I can love an aluminum dome tweeter. The waveguide is the difference from what I can tell. No strident and beamy dome tip distortion audible and I've pushed them fairly hard. I'm running the tweeter at +0.5. I noticed this Revel waveguide difference when I A/B'ed a pair of Nautilus 802s against a pair of Revels fifteen years ago, when I couldn't dream of affording either.

My understanding is that dome tweeters when pushed hard expand from the pressure and the tip starts moving in the opposite direction from the rest of the dome, which can sound harsh. Silk domes do this as well, but since the material is soft the resultant sound is more euphonic. My best guess is that Revel's waveguide blocks dome tip distortion and moves it to peripheral inaudibility while splaying clean tweeter output to match the midrange driver's dispersion pattern.

That's my layman view, but I'm open to a better explanation of why I like these metal dome tweeters so much. It's certainly not that they're merely stepped down.
Edited by bigwally - 6/24/13 at 3:33am
post #4290 of 6828
Are you running those dual SVS subs w your F208's? If so, how do you have it crossed over? And which model is it?
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